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With reference to the lady who knocked down Bradley Wiggins, she admits she did not see him, so who is to blame there?
I myself am a keen cyclist and I try to ride most evenings through the summer and whenever the weather allows through the winter.
I stay mainly to country lanes and quieter roads and wear all the apropriate gear, however even on the quietest of roads cars speed past you at break neck speed, lorries ride so close you can practically touch them and quite often I have been forced to ride onto the verge as cars have still driven towards me even when it was my right of way.
I also drive every day to and from work as I can afford to run a car, some people do not have a driving license or are able to afford to drive and therefore ride to work, so are you suggesting that cyclists stop work so as not to inconvenience all of you that may lack a little patience and consideration for other road users?
We are constantly being told to get fit, leave the car at home, save the planet etc, so why should I give up my simple pleasure just because some of you cannot look left or right in your mirrors and take note of who might be next to you.
I myself am a keen cyclist and I try to ride most evenings through the summer and whenever the weather allows through the winter.
I stay mainly to country lanes and quieter roads and wear all the apropriate gear, however even on the quietest of roads cars speed past you at break neck speed, lorries ride so close you can practically touch them and quite often I have been forced to ride onto the verge as cars have still driven towards me even when it was my right of way.
I also drive every day to and from work as I can afford to run a car, some people do not have a driving license or are able to afford to drive and therefore ride to work, so are you suggesting that cyclists stop work so as not to inconvenience all of you that may lack a little patience and consideration for other road users?
We are constantly being told to get fit, leave the car at home, save the planet etc, so why should I give up my simple pleasure just because some of you cannot look left or right in your mirrors and take note of who might be next to you.
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These are the people that some members think very highly of on here, so I used it as a source.
Why would anyone want to ignore those harrowing stats? They are dangerous beyond belief and for that reason alone I would ban them.
I have just read that and it only states how the accidents occur and the most common, there is nothing in there to state that cycling is the main cause for cyclists being hurt on the road, in fact some of the stats point to the fact that drivers are far more likely to cause the accident by driving to close or running into cyclists at junctions.
So please enlighten us with more cut and paste facts
Quote by mrs-bmw
These are the people that some members think very highly of on here, so I used it as a source.
Why would anyone want to ignore those harrowing stats? They are dangerous beyond belief and for that reason alone I would ban them.
I have just read that and it only states how the accidents occur and the most common, there is nothing in there to state that cycling is the main cause for cyclists being hurt on the road, in fact some of the stats point to the fact that drivers are far more likely to cause the accident by driving to close or running into cyclists at junctions.
So please enlighten us with more cut and paste facts
Easy to say mrs-bmw but could not the real facts be that the unpredictability of the cyclist is a significant factor here?
Try as one might, a cyclist - by definition, is going to be the one coming up smelling of roses (no pun intended, I'm sure they also run into pig slurries from time to time as well) and the poor old long suffering motorist is going to get the blame. It's the same with the emergency treatment costs; the motorist gets hit with these against his policy under the Road Traffic Acts which, although not indicative of blame, still leaves motorists in general bearing the costs when cyclists, if they were required to hold public liability insurance, would pay their share or bear some of the costs at least in their premiums. The same argument would apply to pedestrians too, of course.
Quote by GnV
These are the people that some members think very highly of on here, so I used it as a source.
Why would anyone want to ignore those harrowing stats? They are dangerous beyond belief and for that reason alone I would ban them.
I have just read that and it only states how the accidents occur and the most common, there is nothing in there to state that cycling is the main cause for cyclists being hurt on the road, in fact some of the stats point to the fact that drivers are far more likely to cause the accident by driving to close or running into cyclists at junctions.
So please enlighten us with more cut and paste facts
Easy to say mrs-bmw but could not the real facts be that the unpredictability of the cyclist is a significant factor here?
Try as one might, a cyclist - by definition, is going to be the one coming up smelling of roses (no pun intended, I'm sure they also run into pig slurries from time to time as well) and the poor old long suffering motorist is going to get the blame. It's the same with the emergency treatment costs; the motorist gets hit with these against his policy under the Road Traffic Acts which, although not indicative of blame, still leaves motorists in general bearing the costs when cyclists, if they were required to hold public liability insurance, would pay their share or bear some of the costs at least in their premiums. The same argument would apply to pedestrians too, of course.
Hold on a mo, am I missing the point here
How did people who ride bikes become the wrong doers in a thread about 2 top cyclists being knocked off their bikes, one by a lady who admits she didn`t see him?
I would imagine that if an automobile and a cyclist collide the motorist might have a scratch on his paint work etc, where as the cyclist might be seriously injured or killed, and if you knock over a pedestrian are you telling me the first thing you would do is ask if they have public liability.
Blimey the world is a tough old place to be in.
Sex God
Quote by mrs-bmw
With reference to the lady who knocked down Bradley Wiggins, she admits she did not see him, so who is to blame there?....
We are all only human and it is a rather unfortunate fact that we only see what we are looking for. Too many motor vehicle operators are not looking for cyclists and motorcyclists and therefore simply don't see them. This makes them guilty of driving without due care and attention when they collide with a two wheeled vehicle - jusmp out and say - "Sorry mate, I didn't see you..."
Why do you think there is a campaign to Think Bike? - To get drivers to look for bikers (and cyclists) and not just hope that that they notice them. You only see what you are looking for.
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
These are the people that some members think very highly of on here, so I used it as a source.
Why would anyone want to ignore those harrowing stats? They are dangerous beyond belief and for that reason alone I would ban them.
You really need to think outside the box Star and apply a bit of logic to your thinking. If you are on a bike (or motorcycle) you are vulnerable and so ride defensively in the absolute knowledge that in a collision with any other vehicle - you are going to come off worse.
Why would you want to ban something (laughable in its own right as a train of thought) that if enacted would increase congestion and make your road journeys worse than they are now? If you made the roads safer for cyclists, you would get more people cycling instead of driving and congestion reduces - the best result for everyone.
Anyone would think I am an anti-car nut with these posts - but I am not. I love my car and I love driving but I also love cycling and I i love my motorbike as well. The use of all three puts things into perspective.
Sex God
Quote by Too Hot
These are the people that some members think very highly of on here, so I used it as a source.
Why would anyone want to ignore those harrowing stats? They are dangerous beyond belief and for that reason alone I would ban them.
You really need to think outside the box Star and apply a bit of logic to your thinking. If you are on a bike (or motorcycle) you are vulnerable and so ride defensively in the absolute knowledge that in a collision with any other vehicle - you are going to come off worse.
Yeah righty ho.....
How many moons are in orbit of the planet you live on...
The vast majority of motorbikes I see are being ridden like they are stolen....
And to answer mrs-bmw's claim that it is the motorist that lacks a little patience it's not the motorist who can be seen ducking and diving in and out of stationary or slow moving traffic in an effort to get where they are going as fast as possible...
It's chuffin cyclists(and motorcyclists) ....
Sexpert
Quote by Steve
.... it is the motorist that lacks a little patience it's not the motorist who can be seen ducking and diving in and out of stationary or slow moving traffic in an effort to get where they are going as fast as possible...
It's chuffin cyclists(and motorcyclists) ....
Yes absolutely particularly on this occasion!!! As Mr Wiggins weaved in and out of traffic proceeding (not as such reported at the time but no doubt this is being covered up) along a straight road past a garage he should have known that he should give way to traffic coming out of the garage. It is after all the unwritten rules of the road. Every god fearing motorist knows you just always give way to traffic coming from garages. To not do so would be totally impatient in spite of traffic regulations indicating that you have the right of way.
Let's be honest all motorists would do exactly the same ... I have no doubt you would do exactly the same Steve.
I'm sure the witnesses are just lying because Wiggins is both a great sportsman and an Olympic gold winner. No doubt the police will charge the driver with driving with undue care and attention for the same reasons. It is so totally unfair an innocent driver may get prosecuted, and a villainous cyclist escapes Scot free with hardly any consequences.
Sex God
about a year or so ago i was stuck at a pedestrian crossing in London in the middle of a traffic jam.
a woman decided to cross the crossing whilst the traffic was stationary, at the very same time as a cyclist rides down the middle of the road and rides into this woman crossing the road
the cyclist first reaction when got up was to check his bike ,he then proceeded to abuse the woman who was still on the floor with what i now believe to be cyclist logic
his first argument was that she should have been aware of him and waited for the traffic to stop, (which was pointed out to him it was stopped :doh
the next was the funniest when he said,,,,,,,, he was in exactly the same place every day as if he had some kind of right of passage and it was this woman's fault for being there at the wrong time of the day.
kept me chuckling for days
like steve says all this weaving in and out of traffic is NOT part of any cycling or motorcycle test iv'e ever been on, go figure
a woman decided to cross the crossing whilst the traffic was stationary, at the very same time as a cyclist rides down the middle of the road and rides into this woman crossing the road
the cyclist first reaction when got up was to check his bike ,he then proceeded to abuse the woman who was still on the floor with what i now believe to be cyclist logic
his first argument was that she should have been aware of him and waited for the traffic to stop, (which was pointed out to him it was stopped :doh
the next was the funniest when he said,,,,,,,, he was in exactly the same place every day as if he had some kind of right of passage and it was this woman's fault for being there at the wrong time of the day.
kept me chuckling for days
like steve says all this weaving in and out of traffic is NOT part of any cycling or motorcycle test iv'e ever been on, go figure
Sex God
was wiggo wearing any high viz does anybody know as when i see him after winning the tour de france, when he road out he wasn't in fact he looked more like he should have been delivering a box of milk tray 
Sex God
Quote by Steve
Yeah righty ho.....
How many moons are in orbit of the planet you live on...
The vast majority of motorbikes I see are being ridden like they are stolen....
And to answer mrs-bmw's claim that it is the motorist that lacks a little patience it's not the motorist who can be seen ducking and diving in and out of stationary or slow moving traffic in an effort to get where they are going as fast as possible...
It's chuffin cyclists(and motorcyclists) ....
Sterotype prejudices and wrong on both counts. Would you expect pedestrians to stop walking just cos you can't move in your car? The whole idea is to make progress and if your chosen method of transport allows you to continue to make progress - why not? Filtering past stationary traffic is perfectly legal. You would know that if you knew the Highway Code.
And just to add the driver who hit Wiggins is now to be charged with driving without due care and attention -
Sex God
Quote by Lizaleanrob
like steve says all this weaving in and out of traffic is NOT part of any cycling or motorcycle test iv'e ever been on, go figure
weaving isn't legal - filtering is.
Sexpert
Quote by Lizaleanrob
was wiggo wearing any high viz does anybody know as when i see him after winning the tour de france, when he road out he wasn't in fact he looked more like he should have been delivering a box of milk tray
Maybe he was, maybe not. He was being followed by a team safety car. Perhaps he thought the flashing lights were enough .....
Sexpert
Quote by Lizaleanrob
about a year or so ago i was stuck at a pedestrian crossing in London in the middle of a traffic jam.
a woman decided to cross the crossing whilst the traffic was stationary, at the very same time as a cyclist rides down the middle of the road and rides into this woman crossing the road
the cyclist first reaction when got up was to check his bike ,he then proceeded to abuse the woman who was still on the floor with what i now believe to be cyclist logic
his first argument was that she should have been aware of him and waited for the traffic to stop, (which was pointed out to him it was stopped :doh
the next was the funniest when he said,,,,,,,, he was in exactly the same place every day as if he had some kind of right of passage and it was this woman's fault for being there at the wrong time of the day.
kept me chuckling for days
like steve says all this weaving in and out of traffic is NOT part of any cycling or motorcycle test iv'e ever been on, go figure
About two or three years ago I was forced onto the path by a car overtaking cars on his side of the road. The driver then proceeded to flick the V's at me on the way past. I turned and caught up with him at the next junction.
His response to the question 'why he thought he had the right of way' was that I should give way to him because his car was much bigger and better than mine. Make of this what you will.
Personally I think there are probably more 'bad' impatient drivers than there are cyclists.
Sex God
Quote by Robert400andKay
was wiggo wearing any high viz does anybody know as when i see him after winning the tour de france, when he road out he wasn't in fact he looked more like he should have been delivering a box of milk tray
Maybe he was, maybe not. He was being followed by a team safety car. Perhaps he thought the flashing lights were enough .....
any idea how far infront of the team safety car he was ?
Sex God
Quote by Robert400andKay
Personally I think there are probably more 'bad' impatient drivers than there are cyclists.
i dare say given the ratio aspect
Sex God
Quote by Too Hot
like steve says all this weaving in and out of traffic is NOT part of any cycling or motorcycle test iv'e ever been on, go figure
weaving isn't legal - filtering is.
the same could be said of anal sex and buggery
Sex God
Quote by Too Hot
Sterotype prejudices and wrong on both counts. Would you expect pedestrians to stop walking just cos you can't move in your car? The whole idea is to make progress and if your chosen method of transport allows you to continue to make progress - why not? Filtering past stationary traffic is perfectly legal. You would know that if you knew the Highway Code.
And just to add the driver who hit Wiggins is now to be charged with driving without due care and attention -
Don't tell me it's wrong and a steroetype prejudice when I have seen it with my own eyes on more than many occcasions.....
I'm not in the habbit of telling lies !!!
It seems as though because you ride then only your opinion is valid....
Whereas what I wrote was not opinion.....It is FACT......
And I have absolutely no idea why you chose to use pedestrians as an example to back up your claim that I am displaying prejudice
Sex God
Quote by Too Hot
like steve says all this weaving in and out of traffic is NOT part of any cycling or motorcycle test iv'e ever been on, go figure
weaving isn't legal - filtering is.
not so cut and dried TH
Sex God
Quote by Robert400andKay
he should give way to traffic coming out of the garage.
No he shouldn't. He had the right of way.
Quote by Robert400andKay
It is after all the unwritten rules of the road.
The written rules of the road should be stuck to, not imaginary rules.
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Every god fearing motorist knows you just always give way to traffic coming from garages. To not do so would be totally impatient in spite of traffic regulations indicating that you have the right of way.
By the same logic you must give way to everyone who wants to emerge from any junction, which is just crazy.
Quote by Robert400andKay
Let's be honest all motorists would do exactly the same ... I have no doubt you would do exactly the same Steve.
I wouldn't. I find the whole idea crazy. Here I am merrily driving along a road at 40MPH and I see a car approach the roadside from a garage wanting to cross my path and turn right. How can I be considered impatient by continuing with my journey and not giving way to the other driver? Surely it's impatient of the other driver to not wait a few seconds and then cross the carriageway behind me?
Sex God
Quote by Robert400andKay
.... it is the motorist that lacks a little patience it's not the motorist who can be seen ducking and diving in and out of stationary or slow moving traffic in an effort to get where they are going as fast as possible...
It's chuffin cyclists(and motorcyclists) ....
Yes absolutely particularly on this occasion!!! As Mr Wiggins weaved in and out of traffic proceeding (not as such reported at the time but no doubt this is being covered up) along a straight road past a garage he should have known that he should give way to traffic coming out of the garage. It is after all the unwritten rules of the road. Every god fearing motorist knows you just always give way to traffic coming from garages. To not do so would be totally impatient in spite of traffic regulations indicating that you have the right of way.
Let's be honest all motorists would do exactly the same ... I have no doubt you would do exactly the same Steve.
I'm sure the witnesses are just lying because Wiggins is both a great sportsman and an Olympic gold winner. No doubt the police will charge the driver with driving with undue care and attention for the same reasons. It is so totally unfair an innocent driver may get prosecuted, and a villainous cyclist escapes Scot free with hardly any consequences.
At least if your going to quote me and then reply in a sarcastic manner have the decency to quote the whole sentence
I was,in fact, NOT referring to the Bradley Wiggins incident but to many incidents I have witnessed with my own eyes during my 25yrs driving...
Mebbe the highway code and traffic regulations fail to recognise the realities facing all road users in big cities?
My observations, over a ten year period, in London, are that most road users habitually flout regulations and there is minimal chance of punishment for so doing. This is amply illustrated by the number of fatal/serious accidents involving pedestrians that do not result in any prosecution.
My observations, over a ten year period, in London, are that most road users habitually flout regulations and there is minimal chance of punishment for so doing. This is amply illustrated by the number of fatal/serious accidents involving pedestrians that do not result in any prosecution.
Quote by Too Hot
You really need to think outside the box Star and apply a bit of logic to your thinking. If you are on a bike (or motorcycle) you are vulnerable and so ride defensively in the absolute knowledge that in a collision with any other vehicle - you are going to come off worse.
If only those comments were an accurate description.
If cyclists and motorcyclists thought about their own safety a bit more often I am sure accidents would be reduced. Cyclists blatantly break the law every day with jumping red lights in particular. If they felt as vulnerable as you seem to think they are, surely dangerous acts such as jumping lights they would not even think about doing?
You almost are making it seem that it is the big bad car that is the brunt of most accidents where cyclists are involved. Jumping red lights, approaching pedestrian crossings at speed and hater stopping, riding on the pavement. All things that put a cyclist in grave danger of pain and injury. Or are you saying these things do not happen?
Cyclists and motorbikes weave in and out of traffic. A cyclist has virtually no acceleration to get out of a situation they have put themselves into. A lot of these bloody cyclists use the roads on a Sunday in particular, riding two abreast racing down the carriageway with their multi colour tops on looking like Wiggins at the Olympics.
Oh and btw..........I have been thinking out of the box, but I still state cyclists are a bloody nuisance and a bloody danger to themselves and other road users.
Quote by Steve
These are the people that some members think very highly of on here, so I used it as a source.
Why would anyone want to ignore those harrowing stats? They are dangerous beyond belief and for that reason alone I would ban them.
You really need to think outside the box Star and apply a bit of logic to your thinking. If you are on a bike (or motorcycle) you are vulnerable and so ride defensively in the absolute knowledge that in a collision with any other vehicle - you are going to come off worse.
Yeah righty ho.....
How many moons are in orbit of the planet you live on...
The vast majority of motorbikes I see are being ridden like they are stolen....
And to answer mrs-bmw's claim that it is the motorist that lacks a little patience it's not the motorist who can be seen ducking and diving in and out of stationary or slow moving traffic in an effort to get where they are going as fast as possible...
It's chuffin cyclists(and motorcyclists) ....
Well Steve, I too have seen kids riding like this, dodging in and out of traffic, however I don`t ride like that, my son doesn`t ride like that and neither do any other members of my family.
I am a 46 year old woman who likes to ride for exercise and pleasure and let me tell you sometimes it feels like I am taking part in a dangerous sport the way some of the other road users harrass you for no reason when you are riding down a country lane.
Personally I don`t drive like that either, and there aren`t many drivers out there that can make the same statement.
There are thousands of people who cannot drive, or even afford to use a car with the cost of insurance, road tax, petrol etc, people still have to get to work, kids still have to get to school and people like me still want to ride for the hell of it.
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You almost are making it seem that it is the big bad car that is the brunt of most accidents where cyclists are involved.
No just 60% according to the source you referenced.
Shame you failed to answer the other questions I asked you on two occasions to answer Ben, or do you only reply to questions that you think you have an answer too?
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Shame you failed to answer the other questions I asked you on two occasions to answer Ben, or do you only reply to questions that you think you have an answer too?
That's no bad thing star.
You often have a go at others for giving answers to things you think they know nothing about :lol2:
Sex God
Quote by Steve
It seems as though because you ride then only your opinion is valid....
I ride a bicycle, I ride a motorcycle and I drive a car. As a cyclist I feel at my most vulvernable and the failings of drivers in paying attention to cyclists is far more apparant when you are on two wheels than when driving.
I am not saying that all car drivers are bad and I am not saying that all cyclists (and motorcyclists are good). It is impossible to have reasoned and balanced discussion if all that is focused on are the extremes. This is not about extremes it is about how "normal" cyclists just dont get seen by "normal" motorists. It is also how by tackling this problem you can make cycling safer and therefore encourage more people to get out of their cars and do at least some journeys by bicycle. If that were to happen - the people that have to drive would get a better and less congested journey because there would be less cars on the road.
As long as you focus on extremes of either the cyclist, motorcyclist or driver then nothing gets achieved other than tribalist positions. I don't know any car driver that would not want to have fewer cars on the road - yet a number of car drivers continue their opposition to cyclists and measures to protect cyclists which could, in the end, encourage people to make a journey or two by bicycle that they otherwise might make in the car.