Will the Euro collapse

10 Dec 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I look at our parliament and those in it, and I see a group of people with whom the only thing I have in common is language.I look at our neighbours in Europe (mainly northern Europe) and I see more equal societies,I see societies where the common man appears to have a voice that is heard,where government appears to be for the benefit of all in that country ... bring on a federal Europe I say,the sooner the better

I find I have things in common with many in Parliament, here is one for instance;
David Cameron, describing himself as a ' country boy' who grew up fishing and shooting rabbits.
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10 Dec 2011

Yeah, Cameron and I share a lineage back to William IV. Family legend has it that my GGGGGGG grandma was his fluffer.

10 Dec 2011

Quote by Ben_Minx
Yeah, Cameron and I share a lineage back to William IV. Family legend has it that my GGGGGGG grandma was his fluffer.

Have you been round to number 10 for tea yet?
Nothing so exciting in my linage that can find as yet. It would seam my linage originates from France, as the family name arrived on these shores in 1066 with the Normans.
This fellow was my 2x great uncle though;

Save me looking it up Ben, what is a fluffer? Not the same as we might see in the porn industry I presume

10 Dec 2011

Quote by Bluefish2009
[Nothing so exciting in my linage that can find as yet. It would seam my linage originates from France, as the family name arrived on these shores in 1066 with the Normans.
This fellow was my 2x great uncle though;

Hey Blue, my family surname originates from France and could well have arrived on these shores via the Normans or the Heugenots..maybe we have some common ancestry?
BTW, I love your ancestor's mother's name...Repentance Coward, quite lovely!

10 Dec 2011

Quote by Max777

It is a great name,thanks, we must get together some time and reminisce when our ancestors kicked King Harolds butt

10 Dec 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I look at our parliament and those in it, and I see a group of people with whom the only thing I have in common is language.I look at our neighbours in Europe (mainly northern Europe) and I see more equal societies,I see societies where the common man appears to have a voice that is heard,where government appears to be for the benefit of all in that country ... bring on a federal Europe I say,the sooner the better

does that mean you would be happy for the french to take over and send home the roma from our shores like they did in france innocent

10 Dec 2011

Quote by Bluefish2009

It is a great name,thanks, we must get together some time and reminisce when our ancestors kicked King Harolds butt
I didn't that that incestuous relationships were encouraged on SH

10 Dec 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
I look at our parliament and those in it, and I see a group of people with whom the only thing I have in common is language.I look at our neighbours in Europe (mainly northern Europe) and I see more equal societies,I see societies where the common man appears to have a voice that is heard,where government appears to be for the benefit of all in that country ... bring on a federal Europe I say,the sooner the better

does that mean you would be happy for the french to take over and send home the roma from our shores like they did in france innocent

and ban the burqa :whistling:

10 Dec 2011

Quote by Max777
I look at our parliament and those in it, and I see a group of people with whom the only thing I have in common is language.I look at our neighbours in Europe (mainly northern Europe) and I see more equal societies,I see societies where the common man appears to have a voice that is heard,where government appears to be for the benefit of all in that country ... bring on a federal Europe I say,the sooner the better

does that mean you would be happy for the french to take over and send home the roma from our shores like they did in france innocent

and ban the burqa :whistling:
as well as a whole host of others max

this one is a blog but all the same

very equal i must say

:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:

10 Dec 2011

Quote by GnV

It is a great name,thanks, we must get together some time and reminisce when our ancestors kicked King Harolds butt
I didn't that that incestuous relationships were encouraged on SH

Looking back through my family tree, in the small villiages, some of the mariages were a little close for comfort must say! Of course I am looking a few hundred years ago, It has had no effect on me what so ever :silly::taz:

10 Dec 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
Do we want europe to regulate our City?
I am no expert, But I think not

problem is Europe is still going to impose the tax levy.....its just that we won't be part of the decision process now. In reality we are inbetween a rock and a hard place. We don't want to agree to it, but equally by standing aside we are letting them do it anyway....just without us !!
Tends to feel like we are Man Utd of the EU. We have crashed out of the main event, where we rightly belong....and now have to compete in a lower level. And like man Utd..in reality it is of our own doing.
Begs the question really.....as we are now on the sidelines....would we actually be better totally out of it. EU contries at the top table..and we at the small table with our new friends Hungary !!!
I'm sure that tax levy can't now be implemented in the UK due to the fact we vetoed the treaty it can still be levied on British companies registered and trading in European tax havens.
so maybe Cameron is edging his bets to attract financial companies flooding to the UK and paying onto the UK tax system
if this latest project by the mad maid of germay and the her french fancy fails like every other one of their hair brained ideas ,its gonna fail in a big way taking all those who wanted to be one of the gang with it
i for one think Brussels have more than enough control over what we eat, fish and spend already without adding to our already overburdened tax system in order to bail out their own failings
This is the levy I'm talking about....and I do believe it will be just the start of the back lash against us...We can't exactly vote against the rule .. we don't have a vote !!
"The new group’s creation prompted warnings that a eurozone “caucus” would use its voting power to impose rules to Britain’s detriment.
Tories fear an enhanced euro group could try to impose a financial transactions tax on Britain. The Government estimates that the tax could cost the country £26?billion a year. "

10 Dec 2011

Quote by deancannock
Do we want europe to regulate our City?
I am no expert, But I think not

problem is Europe is still going to impose the tax levy.....its just that we won't be part of the decision process now. In reality we are inbetween a rock and a hard place. We don't want to agree to it, but equally by standing aside we are letting them do it anyway....just without us !!
Tends to feel like we are Man Utd of the EU. We have crashed out of the main event, where we rightly belong....and now have to compete in a lower level. And like man Utd..in reality it is of our own doing.
Begs the question really.....as we are now on the sidelines....would we actually be better totally out of it. EU contries at the top table..and we at the small table with our new friends Hungary !!!
I'm sure that tax levy can't now be implemented in the UK due to the fact we vetoed the treaty it can still be levied on British companies registered and trading in European tax havens.
so maybe Cameron is edging his bets to attract financial companies flooding to the UK and paying onto the UK tax system
if this latest project by the mad maid of germay and the her french fancy fails like every other one of their hair brained ideas ,its gonna fail in a big way taking all those who wanted to be one of the gang with it
i for one think Brussels have more than enough control over what we eat, fish and spend already without adding to our already overburdened tax system in order to bail out their own failings
This is the levy I'm talking about....and I do believe it will be just the start of the back lash against us...We can't exactly vote against the rule .. we don't have a vote !!
"The new group's creation prompted warnings that a eurozone "caucus" would use its voting power to impose rules to Britain's detriment.
Tories fear an enhanced euro group could try to impose a financial transactions tax on Britain. The Government estimates that the tax could cost the country £26?billion a year."
thats because 40% of the worlds currency exchange is delt with in london compared to only 4% in paris
the french have spent the last 10 years trying to tempt these institutions to france with absolutely no success's so now they want to impose their own taxes regardless for a slice of the pie
i doubt very much if the government will take this lying down considering the city makes up 10% of our gdp
and is worth in the region of 130billion
i dunno but would you rather the europeans just take what we got while we roll over or a least put up a fight for it
there are a few things in the way of french and the germans and if Cameron plays his cards right then the germans and french would back away very quickly from trying to hijack our financial industry wink

26 billion is nothing compared with what we could have lost if we had signed the treaty
the french Pm's arrogance and greed could well be his down fall
tell me as the euro crisis gets bigger do you think germany and france can save it
i very much doubt it with the end result being the collapse and break up of the eu with china probably owning most if not all of europe

13 Dec 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I look at our parliament and those in it, and I see a group of people with whom the only thing I have in common is language.I look at our neighbours in Europe (mainly northern Europe) and I see more equal societies,I see societies where the common man appears to have a voice that is heard,where government appears to be for the benefit of all in that country ... bring on a federal Europe I say,the sooner the better

Quote by Bluefish2009
I find I have things in common with many in Parliament, here is one for instance;
David Cameron, describing himself as a ' country boy' who grew up fishing and shooting rabbits.
Read more:

Bloody hell Blue ,are you sure you're not brothers ???

Quote by Lizaleanrob
does that mean you would be happy for the french to take over and send home the roma from our shores like they did in france

No Rob it doesn't

Quote by Max777
and ban the burqa :whistling:

Being a seasoned Islamaphobe Max I shall take this into consideration

Quote by GnV
Europe already has a federal state - it's called the European Commission which is populated by unelected, unaccountable people.
Now we both know that's not what I meant, and that if what you describe is a federal Europe then the existence of unelected council officials makes Sheffield a federal city.
You sometimes need to be careful about what you wish for Staggs. Your political view points are legendary in these forums.
What I hope for is a federal Europe along the lines of the U.S.A., only I hasten to add in it's political machinery.....
My reason ?? .. as far as I can see, for the last 30 years the only thing that has prevented successive governments from running roughshod over the rights of the common man in this country has been the E.U. and it's human rights and employment legislation .... gets my vote any day of the week
You might wish to consider the Federal Soviet State rather than the Federal European one
At least they hold elections in the Federal Soviet States (albeit corrupt, allegedly) but you can't vote to elect people of the Sovereign European States to the obesely corrupt European Commission.

I have searched in vain for this SOVIET federation G perhaps you mean the RUSSIAN federation,you may find these links useful

13 Dec 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
if this was a company that had shareholders, with the amount of truble he ( that is mr staggers )dont want anyone getting confused as to who I could meen, would be a majority shareholder. as for the life of me i cannot see how he is stil allowed on here when i have been told many other members far less offensive than this person have been banned.
sorry but some peeple are foul mouthed nasty hypocrits and that is just where i work.:notes:

Star flattered though I am by your deluded concept of yourself as some David facing down a forum Goliath ... it is a delusion and I am thoroughly sick of it,you have from your earliest posts on this forum refused to engage me in any constructive way,preferring instead to resort to goading and childish personal abuse,this is unacceptable.
I do not believe in censorship nor do I believe that 'adults' should require outside moderation in debate or conversation. Because of this I have never in my 4 1/2 years as a member of this site and contributor to this forum used the 'report' button, this is about to change.
The above post is the last time you post a small minded ill-informed judgement of me or my personality on this forum without it being reported .... I have in my career on this forum never received a warning about the content of my posts (they have been VERY rarely edited) shall we see how long you last ?

13 Dec 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB

I find I have things in common with many in Parliament, here is one for instance;
David Cameron, describing himself as a ' country boy' who grew up fishing and shooting rabbits.
Read more:

Bloody hell Blue ,are you sure you're not brothers ???

Separated at berth by some crewel twist of fiat

13 Dec 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
if this was a company that had shareholders, with the amount of truble he ( that is mr staggers )dont want anyone getting confused as to who I could meen, would be a majority shareholder. as for the life of me i cannot see how he is stil allowed on here when i have been told many other members far less offensive than this person have been banned.
sorry but some peeple are foul mouthed nasty hypocrits and that is just where i work.:notes:

Star flattered though I am by your deluded concept of yourself as some David facing down a forum Goliath ... it is a delusion and I am thoroughly sick of it,you have from your earliest posts on this forum refused to engage me in any constructive way,preferring instead to resort to goading and childish personal abuse,this is unacceptable.
I do not believe in censorship nor do I believe that 'adults' should require outside moderation in debate or conversation. Because of this I have never in my 4 1/2 years as a member of this site and contributor to this forum used the 'report' button, this is about to change.
The above post is the last time you post a small minded ill-informed judgement of me or my personality on this forum without it being reported .... I have in my career on this forum never received a warning about the content of my posts (they have been VERY rarely edited) shall we see how long you last ?
What are you like with a slingshot Star?

13 Dec 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Star flattered though I am by your deluded concept of yourself as some David facing down a forum Goliath ... it is a delusion and I am thoroughly sick of it,you have from your earliest posts on this forum refused to engage me in any constructive way,preferring instead to resort to goading and childish personal abuse,this is unacceptable.
I do not believe in censorship nor do I believe that 'adults' should require outside moderation in debate or conversation. Because of this I have never in my 4 1/2 years as a member of this site and contributor to this forum used the 'report' button, this is about to change.
The above post is the last time you post a small minded ill-informed judgement of me or my personality on this forum without it being reported .... I have in my career on this forum never received a warning about the content of my posts (they have been VERY rarely edited) shall we see how long you last ?

thanks for taking the time to reply mr staggers.
unfortunatly for myself anything i have said about you or your posts i beleeve it to be 100% fact. by all meens you can use the report button but i am not sure if telling the truth is something a person can get told off for dunno

your post above is making you out to be a victim and you have been such a goody goody and never been offensive or been involved in childish behaviuor on here. reely i think we all know that not to be true.
how about me ignoring your coments and threds on here and you doing the same? we clash and i do not like what you post or how you post it. your comenst about me are exactly how you also behave on here and you say about delusion.
i have spent many a constructive moment debating with you but on many occasions you revert to offensive mode, with the cunt word being used on occasion to get a point across.
i beleeve that you reely cannot see what you post and the reesons why you post, but i beleeve you are a lot smarter than that. :cheers:

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
shall we see how long you last ?

meening that you will now try and get me banned or something? because i have stated what i beleeve to be correct? and there was me thinking that freedom of speech existed.:notes:

13 Dec 2011

Quote by Bluefish2009
What are you like with a slingshot Star?

actualy bluefish i was a dab hand with one when i was a nipper in short trousers. :thumbup:

13 Dec 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
............meening that you will now try and get me banned or something? because i have stated what i beleeve to be correct? and there was me thinking that freedom of speech existed.:notes: ..........

Star,
we'd suggest that you re-read
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Quote by starlightcouple
............by all meens you can use the report button..........

You suggested that Staggers did this, so why 'go off on one' when some one does as you've suggested they do ?
Whilst I've yet to meet you, having actually met, chatted/debated and shared a drink with Staggers (as well as Ben_Minx, yes they are two different people from different backgrounds and parts of the country since you seem to be confusing them), I'm finding your tirades rather boring, pointless, dogmatic, ill-concieved and frankly offensive of late - rather like your rant the other month in The Pool chatroom against some one who said that they voted Tory, which we understand was reported also.
All for healthy, intelligent and informed debate within acceptable boundaries, the idea is to know the accepted boundaries and refrain from abuse.

13 Dec 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
............by all meens you can use the report button..........

Quote by HnS
You suggested that Staggers did this, so why 'go off on one' when some one does as you've suggested they do ?

was not aware that i had gone off on one dunno

Quote by HnS
rather like your rant the other month in The Pool chatroom against some one who said that they voted Tory, which we understand was reported also.

that is something that i cannot remember hapening at all in any room on chat. as far as i am aware you have got that bit wrong as we tend to browse the chat rooms without saying very much. not asking for evidence of that but if you can look at that again to double check that was nether of us having a rant as you put in in the pool chat room.

Quote by HnS
All for healthy, intelligent and informed debate within acceptable boundaries, the idea is to know the accepted boundaries and refrain from abuse.

as long as that applys to everyone :thumbup:

13 Dec 2011

no

13 Dec 2011

Freedom of speech and the internet do not work together at all. All of it is owned by somone and they can moderate it as they see fit. So there is less freedom of speech on the internet than there is just about anywhere else.

15 Dec 2011

This I found interesting

16 Dec 2011

Quote by gulsonroad30664
no

:thumbup:

16 Dec 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
i have been told many other members far less offensive than this person have been banned.

You've been told wrong.
In addition, if you have a problem with a member then use the report button where admin will look into it.
Dave_Notts

16 Dec 2011

Quote by Dave__Notts
You've been told wrong.

then i will go and smackbottom

Quote by Dave__Notts
In addition, if you have a problem with a member then use the report button where admin will look into it.

i did report and admin have :thumbup:

16 Dec 2011

Quote by Dave__Notts
i have been told many other members far less offensive than this person have been banned.

You've been told wrong.
In addition, if you have a problem with a member then use the report button where admin will look into it.
Dave_Notts
Thank you for that accolade ..... takes a proud bow as the most offensive un-banned member of this forum lol

:twisted:

17 Dec 2011

For all of you who are struggling with the Euro Crisis.. this graphic might help...

17 Dec 2011

Quote by GnV
For all of you who are struggling with the Euro Crisis.. this graphic might help...

So we are all getting pooped on, only the altitude and quantities vary :lol:

27 Dec 2011

It has been resolved....
so see