Will YOU be flying the flag?

21 Apr 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I may be wrong Foxy but I was under the impression that the picts were the earliest occupants of our fair country...and that ironically the purest pictish blood is to be found in Wales
Of course I shan't be flying the flag....it is a piece of cloth and has little or nothing to do with the country I live in,and latterly laden with symbolism that I have no wish to support.

The Picts were among the first incomers. Everyone came from Africa originally. I think you may be right that Picts were pre-celtic though. >>>>>> to check my books.
What alwasy makes me smile is that the 'Scots' as a tribe were originally Irish. LOL.
I think people get far too precious about some mythical 'pure' line. Hostory is interesting (fascinating in fact) but it is US, our immediate families and our actions that define who we are.

21 Apr 2010

Patronazing bully.....Fly our flag,dont wear your Burka,dont eat your Hallal,dont worship your Allah in our country what next,get real!!!

21 Apr 2010

so why not have a "nation day" if there is a need to celebrate, as suggested before?
lp

22 Apr 2010

Quote by Plimboy
The irony of this is that England is different from the other home countries - the English in effect took them over and then a large part of the farther away world too, but in recent years that has rebounded.
Further, very few people are now pure English (I have Scots and Irish blood as well as English) and it seems pointless to celebrate St Georges day to me - so NO.
Plim

You might want to read Britons by Linda Colley before you make random assertions about the English taking over large parts of the world.

22 Apr 2010

i think there is a patron saint for anything. who,s the one for sex? or is that reserved for a god? anyway the point is about entering into the spirit of the event, albeit just for the day. a day of silliness rather than seriousness, perhaps? maybe more meaningful for others. also there is probably a reason to celebrate every day. i mean why the long face?

22 Apr 2010

I am proud to be a part of many groups (the English, Welsh, British, Scottish, Irish Italian and African ones to name a few) but I wont be flying any flags or wearing any roses leeks or any other regalia. I'm prouder to be a member of my choir but I don't wear their badges or fly their flag either. Im even prouder to be a kinky bugger who likes to indulge in sensual activities with willing playmates, the same goes, no badges and no flags.
Im quite curious as to what motivates folk to these public displays of membership. Anybody want to tell me what their motivations are?

22 Apr 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I may be wrong Foxy but I was under the impression that the picts were the earliest occupants of our fair country...and that ironically the purest pictish blood is to be found in Wales
Of course I shan't be flying the flag....it is a piece of cloth and has little or nothing to do with the country I live in,and latterly laden with symbolism that I have no wish to support.

Before I say anything as do not want to misunderstnd but....you care to elaborate on that comment?

22 Apr 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
I am proud to be a part of many groups (the English, Welsh, British, Scottish, Irish Italian and African ones to name a few) but I wont be flying any flags or wearing any roses leeks or any other regalia. I'm prouder to be a member of my choir but I don't wear their badges or fly their flag either. Im even prouder to be a kinky bugger who likes to indulge in sensual activities with willing playmates, the same goes, no badges and no flags.
Im quite curious as to what motivates folk to these public displays of membership. Anybody want to tell me what their motivations are?

Google it !

22 Apr 2010

I cant google how people feel or think thats why forums can be interesting.

22 Apr 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
I cant google how people feel or think thats why forums can be interesting.

You might have a long wait Ben as i am still waiting for someone to tell me what "patriotic" actually means to the people spouting about it (not the dictionary meaning) as all i am getting at the moment is and yes its only my opinion, tacky flags and car stickers?!?!?!?

22 Apr 2010

Quote by jumptoit
I cant google how people feel or think thats why forums can be interesting.

You might have a long wait Ben as i am still waiting for someone to tell me what "patriotic" actually means to the people spouting about it (not the dictionary meaning) as all i am getting at the moment is and yes its only my opinion, tacky flags and car stickers?!?!?!?
Its for lazy people who want another day off work... and to be damn well paid for it
Also, maybe it's a slight hint of 'keeping up with the Jones'.... St Patricks day, St Davids day, Australia day etc...
or maybe it's that people want to have a day where they can bask in the glory of England but don't really know how to go about it

22 Apr 2010

Quote by jdwxxx
Its for lazy people who want another day off work... and to be damn well paid for it

As far as I am aware it isn't a Bank Holiday dunno

Either way.....Many companies will honour the extra Bank Holidays and take it off the entitlement they give you anyway so there is nothing to be gained...

22 Apr 2010

Quote by foxylady2209
Flying a flag on St George's day is the same as buying flowers for your wife on St Valentine's Day. Why just that day? If that day, why not every day?
I personally don't feel any need to fly a flag on any day. I know where I live - I don't need to remind myself every day and I certainly wouldn't consider standing there with my hand on my heart singing to it. (wtf is THAT all about anyway?)
I feel absolutely NO affinity with this George feller, we have a number of far more suitable saints - St Edmund being one of the more appropriate candidates.
So, no I won't be flying any flags and it is nothing to do with any lack of patriotism.

I agree with all of this.
I am Englishman 365 days a year, not just on April 23rd. I am proud of many of England's achievements, there are many incident's/event's that leave me cold, we are far from perfect, things are badly wrong here, but we could have it a lot worse.
I also agree that St. Edmund should be our patron saint, although I am biased, due to me being an East Anglian. At least St. Edmund had a claim to be English, unlike St. George.
I won't be flying any flags, it does not make me any less English.

22 Apr 2010

Quote by jumptoit
I cant google how people feel or think thats why forums can be interesting.

You might have a long wait Ben as i am still waiting for someone to tell me what "patriotic" actually means to the people spouting about it (not the dictionary meaning) as all i am getting at the moment is and yes its only my opinion, tacky flags and car stickers?!?!?!?
I wonder what reason the Scots or the Welsh or the Irish would say to that question?
It means different things to different people I suppose. Sorry did not mean to keep you waiting, but have been busy today.
To me it means being proud of your heritage and my culture, and Britain's great history.
There are many other things also like the Queen and the history of our Royals. Being patriotic to some seems to mean Nationalism.....different thing completely.

22 Apr 2010

I understand the pride what I dont understand is the need to proclaim such pride with public displays of a flagon a specific day. Im very proud of my son but I dont wear a badge or wave a flag on number one son day. Anybody else got any ideas?

22 Apr 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
I may be wrong Foxy but I was under the impression that the picts were the earliest occupants of our fair country...and that ironically the purest pictish blood is to be found in Wales
Of course I shan't be flying the flag....it is a piece of cloth and has little or nothing to do with the country I live in,and latterly laden with symbolism that I have no wish to support.

Before I say anything as do not want to misunderstnd but....you care to elaborate on that comment?
Google it.
:giggle:
'Sauce' and 'goose' springs to mind. biggrin

22 Apr 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
I may be wrong Foxy but I was under the impression that the picts were the earliest occupants of our fair country...and that ironically the purest pictish blood is to be found in Wales
Of course I shan't be flying the flag....it is a piece of cloth and has little or nothing to do with the country I live in,and latterly laden with symbolism that I have no wish to support.

Before I say anything as do not want to misunderstnd but....you care to elaborate on that comment?
I, and I believe many people associate the cross of St. George with a type of blind nationalism that appalls has been repeatedly hi-jacked as a rallying post for the B.N.P. the national front and many other far right attempts to lend credibility to their idiot rascism. I have no desire to be considered their comrade.

22 Apr 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I may be wrong Foxy but I was under the impression that the picts were the earliest occupants of our fair country...and that ironically the purest pictish blood is to be found in Wales
Of course I shan't be flying the flag....it is a piece of cloth and has little or nothing to do with the country I live in,and latterly laden with symbolism that I have no wish to support.

Before I say anything as do not want to misunderstnd but....you care to elaborate on that comment?
I, and I believe many people associate the cross of St. George with a type of blind nationalism that appalls has been repeatedly hi-jacked as a rallying post for the B.N.P. the national front and many other far right attempts to lend credibility to their idiot rascism. I have no desire to be considered their comrade.
Its also the only flag a particular hero of mine Carl Fogarty would have on his bike and one that is flown at England Rugby internationals so it is one I shall continue to use and to hell with what others think or associate it with....
I know the reason why I use it and I am happy with it....

22 Apr 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I may be wrong Foxy but I was under the impression that the picts were the earliest occupants of our fair country...and that ironically the purest pictish blood is to be found in Wales
Of course I shan't be flying the flag....it is a piece of cloth and has little or nothing to do with the country I live in,and latterly laden with symbolism that I have no wish to support.

Before I say anything as do not want to misunderstnd but....you care to elaborate on that comment?
I, and I believe many people associate the cross of St. George with a type of blind nationalism that appalls has been repeatedly hi-jacked as a rallying post for the B.N.P. the national front and many other far right attempts to lend credibility to their idiot rascism. I have no desire to be considered their comrade.
You believe, yes that is obviously true, but you care to back that one up?
Funny that I knew people on here may well think that, and am not suprised it has been brought up, particularly from you Staggs.
Sorry but your above comments are offensive and way off the mark.
It is a crying shame that some councils think the same way as you do, hence their reluctance to celebrate it in any way.
Thousands of ordinary men women and children will be flying that flag on Friday, and you are insinuating they are all racist and revel in " blind Nationalism ". I bet there are many pre-schools up and down the land who will be making St. Georges flags for the kids tomorrow.
I can never show tolerance towards people who hold twisted views on what is a day of celebration for Men, Women and children.
I found loads of pictures of happy children from last year waving their flags, but I know I cannot put them on here.
Your insinuation that all who fly the flag are racist bigots, just shows to me how far we have yet to come in order to be truly tolerant.
Now I know that the newspaper reports are true when they print stories of councils or the like, trying not to upset anybody that is not English, and then labeling them racists, when in fact many people from all backgrounds will also be celebrating it,regardless of whether they were born here or not. Even in our local school all the children will be celebrating it, including immigrant children.
It is a bit of fun for children and a day to celebrate in any way people want to, not to turn it around into some kind of BNP party.....what a dreadful attitude to have.

22 Apr 2010

Dear Kenty...
I insinuated nothing ....you inferred incorrectly
I said... that the cross of St. George has in many peoples minds become associated with the far right and an unthinking blind nationalism best typified by the tabloid newspapers....I don't think I'm wrong.
I think you should perhaps read my post again....I was expressing one of those OPINIONS you are so adamant that you're entitled to hold....can I not have one ?

22 Apr 2010

I understand your concerns Kent that simple flag waving could be misinterpreted.
That said I dont recall seeing an English flag anywhere at anytime when I was a kid excpet in a readers digest enycyclopedia. When did it become this deeply held symbol of national pride?

22 Apr 2010

Quote by Ben_welshminx
I understand the pride what I dont understand is the need to proclaim such pride with public displays of a flagon a specific day. Im very proud of my son but I dont wear a badge or wave a flag on number one son day. Anybody else got any ideas?

I don't think that there is a need to proclaim such pride, but on the other hand, there is no good reason not to either, in my veiw.
However this has not always been the case for me, my views changed some years back and below is the event that changed them.
As many here will already know I am a supporter of country pursuits and have defended hunting on occation's, here on this forum, to my best. I have been to London on three protest marches over the years. The very first one was not actually a march at all but a gathering of countryside folk at Speakers Corner, Hyde Park. The organisers had very large helium filled balloons for people of each area to find there friends. During the day I visited all the balloons to meet different people from different areas. However the most striking area was under the Welsh balloon. I was struck by how proad they were to be Welsh, and not affaid to openly show this, I found it extreamly uplifting. I also felt quite sad that I had not been brought up in a manner where I felt as comfertable to display my feelings for England. So I thought I could change that and so I have.

22 Apr 2010

St George's Day was a major feast and national holiday in England on a par with Christmas from the early 15th century. However, this tradition had waned by the end of the 18th century after the union of England and Scotland. In recent years the popularity of St George's Day appears to be increasing gradually. BBC Radio 3 had a full programme of St George's Day events in 2006, and Andrew Rosindell, Conservative MP for Romford, has been putting the argument forward in the House of Commons to make St George's Day a public holiday. Although Saint George is the Patron Saint of England, it is believed that St George was not English and it is not certain that he ever visited England, although legend has it that St George was born in Coventry at Caludon Castle in Wyken,

22 Apr 2010

Quote by Steve
I may be wrong Foxy but I was under the impression that the picts were the earliest occupants of our fair country...and that ironically the purest pictish blood is to be found in Wales
Of course I shan't be flying the flag....it is a piece of cloth and has little or nothing to do with the country I live in,and latterly laden with symbolism that I have no wish to support.

Before I say anything as do not want to misunderstnd but....you care to elaborate on that comment?
I, and I believe many people associate the cross of St. George with a type of blind nationalism that appalls has been repeatedly hi-jacked as a rallying post for the B.N.P. the national front and many other far right attempts to lend credibility to their idiot rascism. I have no desire to be considered their comrade.
Its also the only flag a particular hero of mine Carl Fogarty would have on his bike and one that is flown at England Rugby internationals so it is one I shall continue to use and to hell with what others think or associate it with....
I know the reason why I use it and I am happy with it....
I like this Steve, nicley put

22 Apr 2010

Thank you for that insight blue, I too have been struck by the pride shown by the welsh in their culture and traditions since I moved here.
And ty kent for confirmation that this red cross flag waving is a fairly modern thing. I thought it was and its hardly surprising that its associated with the BNP who in previous lives tried to hijack the union flag I recall.

22 Apr 2010

Quote by Bluefish2009
I like this Steve, nicley put

Why thank you redface

22 Apr 2010

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Dear Kenty...
I insinuated nothing ....you inferred incorrectly
I said... that the cross of St. George has in many peoples minds become associated with the far right and an unthinking blind nationalism best typified by the tabloid newspapers....I don't think I'm wrong.
I think you should perhaps read my post again....I was expressing one of those OPINIONS you are so adamant that you're entitled to hold....can I not have one ?

That is rubbish as well you know.....You said " I, and I believe many people associate the cross of St. George with a type of blind nationalism that appalls me"
That is not me inferring that is you making a statement!
You are now changing your wording to include tabloid newspapers, which IS your opinion to have. Funny how you did not mention newspapers in your orginal rant.
Your comments are as dangerous as what the BNP spout.
Others can see very clearly exactly what you stated and what YOU believe. I hope your comments can be seen by many as to why we have so many problems in this country.
Funny I even found out that the Scout movement have St'George as their patron, and the scouts have been going a damn sight longer than the National Front or the BNP!
One thing that is right is that with people with views like yours around,the newspapers are right about certain organisations wanting to ban St'Georges day, everything should be done to prevent them from expressing such offensive rules.
Yes there are I have no doubt people like you who believe and hold the same views as you do, but thank goodness I believe most would find it at best laughable and at worst vile.

22 Apr 2010

This link is very good, and I completely agree with the first paragraph.

" April 23rd, Saint George's day, is at last being recognised by more of the population than ever before. It seems that at last the English are beginning to wake up to the fact that we were gradually losing our identity and culture in order to accommodate others. We lost our right to free speech years ago, but don't let the politically correct brigade take away our flag, our history, and our Christian roots. They seem to be determined to bury all traces of Englishness in favour of the new craze of 'multiculturalism'. Why? This is England after all, it's nothing to be ashamed of "!

22 Apr 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
St George's Day was a major feast and national holiday in England on a par with Christmas from the early 15th century. However, this tradition had waned by the end of the 18th century after the union of England and Scotland. In recent years the popularity of St George's Day appears to be increasing gradually. BBC Radio 3 had a full programme of St George's Day events in 2006, and Andrew Rosindell, Conservative MP for Romford, has been putting the argument forward in the House of Commons to make St George's Day a public holiday. Although Saint George is the Patron Saint of England, it is believed that St George was not English and it is not certain that he ever visited England, although legend has it that St George was born in Coventry at Caludon Castle in Wyken,

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22 Apr 2010

I am sorry to interrupt a good rant kent but Mr Staggerlee said what he said he said not what you think he said. He said it quite plainly and without sub text from what i can see too. One can only admire such eloquence wit charm and stunning looks in a totally bi-curious way.