nothing personal...and i dont mean to offend... im just being to the point...pardon the pun... and taking up points based on the language used by yourself and others
my daughters ears were pierced young...and i believe the parents can properly decide if they wish to have this done... just as your sister has that right.
I have no problem with the practice of circumsising boys if the parents wish this to be done..
so does this make me, your sister and others a child abuser or barbarians or mutilators as per yours and others views...????
please rest assured Im only trying to debate the issue... in a similar way to other posters who put down the views of others in order to make theirs.
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Would you/did you have your babies'''' ears pierced?
Quote by DeeCee
nothing personal...and i dont mean to offend... im just being to the point...pardon the pun... and taking up points based on the language used by yourself and others
my daughters ears were pierced young...and i believe the parents can properly decide if they wish to have this done... just as your sister has that right.
I have no problem with the practice of circumsising boys if the parents wish this to be done..
so does this make me, your sister and others a child abuser or barbarians or mutilators as per yours and others views...????
please rest assured Im only trying to debate the issue... in a similar way to other posters who put down the views of others in order to make theirs.
Seeing as you asked, yes I do think it's barbaric - mind you, I'd already said that in my opening post
Sex God
Quote by DeeCee
nothing personal...and i dont mean to offend... im just being to the point...pardon the pun... and taking up points based on the language used by yourself and others
my daughters ears were pierced young...and i believe the parents can properly decide if they wish to have this done... just as your sister has that right.
I have no problem with the practice of circumsising boys if the parents wish this to be done..
so does this make me, your sister and others a child abuser or barbarians or mutilators as per yours and others views...????
please rest assured Im only trying to debate the issue... in a similar way to other posters who put down the views of others in order to make theirs.
Depends what you mean by the term "child abuse" it is a very broad term.
If you mean inflicting unnecessary and unwarranted pain on someone who either doesn't or cannot express their opinion and choices to choose otherwise. Then yes. It is child abuse. In the same way that giving a child a tattoo would be child abuse, or a pierced scrotum, or pierced nose. When they are of an age to say that they want something and understand the implications of that then fair enough.
No it isn't up there with battering a child or any of the other horrible things, and it may well be looked upon as an act of kindness by the parent involved. However it is still inflicting pain upon someone who cannot do anything about it for little more than to look "cutesy" on a photograph or in person. It isn't up there with the Ian Huntley's of the world, but I can see why people get annoyed about it.
Abuse may be too strong a term, barbaric may be. It is, in my view, vapid, presumptuous and a little selfish on behalf of the parent. Rather like people who used to dock puppies tails because they "look better".
Nor do I agree with any form of religious ritual mutilation regardless of however long it has been part of a secular society. Some legacies from the past are not worth holding onto. I won't go into religion here because I would explode.
I loathe the notion of children as adornments and fashion accessories, or that they must suffer mutilated genitalia in some form to be cute or accepted as part of one group or another. This kind of thinking belongs in the dark ages.
Incidentally, while male circumcision is relatively straightforward, the female equivalent, still prevalent in many enlightened societies, is far less so, death is relatively common, problems almost guaranteed in later life if you do survive. That to me is abuse. Abuse of position and power against a child. Hence, child abuse.
Why not go the whole hog and get your new born boy done with a Prince Albert at the same time?
It sounds ridiculous but where is the line? If piercing a baby girls ears is acceptable, what about a baby boys? What about a baby girls tummy button or nose?
It's madness. Let them grow up and make their own decisions. If you need to adorn something, do it to yourself. If you feel the need to be part of a group, fine, just don't let them lop bits off you willy nilly to become accepted, because that is just cultural barbarism.
Rez can I have your babies? 
Just to clarify...
my daughter was six years to the day when she had her ears pierced.I'm not agreeing with piercing the ears of children younger than that.
I only agree with male circumsision.
apart from that , nice post Res... but not exactly dealing with the issues in hand as i put them back to the OP and sought clarification on..
as i say , Overdramatic/overkill.... as often people who are detached from these things by personal experience and choice are.
But its nice to know what people think of you...!!
my daughter was six years to the day when she had her ears pierced.I'm not agreeing with piercing the ears of children younger than that.
I only agree with male circumsision.
apart from that , nice post Res... but not exactly dealing with the issues in hand as i put them back to the OP and sought clarification on..
as i say , Overdramatic/overkill.... as often people who are detached from these things by personal experience and choice are.
But its nice to know what people think of you...!!
Sex God
My daughter was eight I believe, perhaps seven. But she'd nagged for a long time before then to have it done. So I don't know if that qualifies as experience or not.
I thought I was dealing with the issues at hand? I believed them to be babies ears pierced and then someone mentioned circumcision. I'm a bit confused as to why I wasn't to be honest. But hey ho.
The words people used to describe this may be emotive, but that's their right. One can say "it's only an ear piercing", another may say "It's child mutilation". Depends on your view. Kind of what we have here. A differing view on a subject.
As for thinking anything of anyone, I don't attack a poster. Only the opinions. I never have and never will DeeCee. It's nothing personal, I've never done anything but admire your postings before.
Just because I disagree with you on one small matter, doesn't lessen that fact any.
I thought I was dealing with the issues at hand? I believed them to be babies ears pierced and then someone mentioned circumcision. I'm a bit confused as to why I wasn't to be honest. But hey ho.
The words people used to describe this may be emotive, but that's their right. One can say "it's only an ear piercing", another may say "It's child mutilation". Depends on your view. Kind of what we have here. A differing view on a subject.
As for thinking anything of anyone, I don't attack a poster. Only the opinions. I never have and never will DeeCee. It's nothing personal, I've never done anything but admire your postings before.
Just because I disagree with you on one small matter, doesn't lessen that fact any.
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My daughter was eight I believe, perhaps seven. But she'd nagged for a long time before then to have it done. So I don't know if that qualifies as experience or not.
I thought I was dealing with the issues at hand? I believed them to be babies ears pierced and then someone mentioned circumcision. I'm a bit confused as to why I wasn't to be honest. But hey ho.
The words people used to describe this may be emotive, but that's their right. One can say "it's only an ear piercing", another may say "It's child mutilation". Depends on your view. Kind of what we have here. A differing view on a subject.
As for thinking anything of anyone, I don't attack a poster. Only the opinions. I never have and never will DeeCee. It's nothing personal, I've never done anything but admire your postings before.
Just because I disagree with you on one small matter, doesn't lessen that fact any.
I think you misread my post Resonance. The paragraph in which i mentioned your name was the only one with direct reference to your post.
The rest of it was aimed at other posters...although your introduction of the topic of female circumsision, Prince Alberts , belly button piercings etc etc was a bit of a rant...hehehe.
nae problem Resonance i hope... I understand where youre coming from..
Sex God
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Res..........
I hope you do not take people up on their offers of " having your babies ". If you do make sure you are a rich man.
The point is moot anyway Mr K, the tubes are tied and the tadpoles no longer flow! And after having one needle in the knackers, I ain't doing it again! ;-)
No worries DeeCee, I just wanted to clarify that it wasn't not ever will be a personal thing. Rant? Moi! Never! I was just being a git!
go for it!
Pierce thier ears, the sooner the better.
especially if you have more than one child, or are close with your naighbours who may also have children.
When out and about in the local community, you could link them all together by the lobe in a long chain of self controling children.
they may be a little 'screachie', but they wont be wanting to roam too far from their siblings will they?
actually, why not just staple them together?
lp >parenting skills coming along nicely<
Pierce thier ears, the sooner the better.
especially if you have more than one child, or are close with your naighbours who may also have children.
When out and about in the local community, you could link them all together by the lobe in a long chain of self controling children.
they may be a little 'screachie', but they wont be wanting to roam too far from their siblings will they?
actually, why not just staple them together?
lp >parenting skills coming along nicely<
Its incredible that parents have not been prosecuted for an act of child abuse, strong words yes if I offend tough! if you are the parents of a baby and have had this done to your child you need social evaluation and possibly not fit to be a parent,
in my line of work I encounter parents who have had this done to their babies and the parents have been very immature mentally and have had a disfunctional upbringing themselves, why oh why is this cruelty and parent fashion idea allowed to continue,
people in the line of work who do this should be prosecuted for abuse also.
in my line of work I encounter parents who have had this done to their babies and the parents have been very immature mentally and have had a disfunctional upbringing themselves, why oh why is this cruelty and parent fashion idea allowed to continue,
people in the line of work who do this should be prosecuted for abuse also.
Quote by Osprey1couple
in my line of work I encounter parents who have had this done to their babies and the parents have been very immature mentally and have had a disfunctional upbringing themselves,
as much as I'm against pierced ears for babies, you're being unreasonable here..
it's not like having their ears pierced is going to cause the children long term emotional damage or a stunted growth..
stating such a thing is bordering on reckless and a bit offensive..
yes, baby piercing happens in determined areas and social environment and not in others..but methinks piercing a baby is a consequence, and not a cause..
it certainly doesn't cause mental illness or instability as you seem to suggest...or maybe I'm just reading too much in your post
yes I think piercing a baby is an act of vanity and should not be allowed if not under medically supervised condition..by all means, make it an expensive and bureaucratically difficult procedure... but what you're suggesting is just a mental leap that makes no sense at all
Quote by Osprey1couple
Its incredible that parents have not been prosecuted for an act of child abuse, strong words yes if I offend tough! if you are the parents of a baby and have had this done to your child you need social evaluation and possibly not fit to be a parent,
in my line of work I encounter parents who have had this done to their babies and the parents have been very immature mentally and have had a disfunctional upbringing themselves, why oh why is this cruelty and parent fashion idea allowed to continue,
people in the line of work who do this should be prosecuted for abuse also.
Whilst I agree that having a childs ears pierced is not a good thing, I do not think it needs to label parents as being not fit to parent.
You say " in your line of work ", what exactly would that be? Social worker or teacher perhaps?
Nowadays if you say anything negative towards a child, you are labelled an unfit parent. Well sorry that is utter left wing tosh.
Yes parents who have their kids ears pierced at a very young age, I feel are irresponsible but....not fit to parent? Rubbish.
Sex God
Quote by Osprey1couple
Its incredible that parents have not been prosecuted for an act of child abuse, strong words yes if I offend tough! if you are the parents of a baby and have had this done to your child you need social evaluation and possibly not fit to be a parent,
in my line of work I encounter parents who have had this done to their babies and the parents have been very immature mentally and have had a disfunctional upbringing themselves, why oh why is this cruelty and parent fashion idea allowed to continue,
people in the line of work who do this should be prosecuted for abuse also.
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Sweeping generalisation as well as fairly offensive.
As far as I'm aware there is no law against ear piercing at any age. I'm not for it, I don't think it looks nice on a child and I think it should be something a person chooses to do for themselves.
We all feel strongly about certain issues and it's perfectly okay to have your say but I found your post offensive, however, since you've already said you don't care who you offend I'd be concerned if any child of mine was at risk of being anywhere near someone with your attitute in your line of work, whatever that may be.
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Its incredible that parents have not been prosecuted for an act of child abuse, strong words yes if I offend tough! if you are the parents of a baby and have had this done to your child you need social evaluation and possibly not fit to be a parent,
in my line of work I encounter parents who have had this done to their babies and the parents have been very immature mentally and have had a disfunctional upbringing themselves, why oh why is this cruelty and parent fashion idea allowed to continue,
people in the line of work who do this should be prosecuted for abuse also.
:shock:
Sweeping generalisation as well as fairly offensive.
As far as I'm aware there is no law against ear piercing at any age. I'm not for it, I don't think it looks nice on a child and I think it should be something a person chooses to do for themselves.
We all feel strongly about certain issues and it's perfectly okay to have your say but I found your post offensive, however, since you've already said you don't care who you offend I'd be concerned if any child of mine was at risk of being anywhere near someone with your attitute in your line of work, whatever that may be.
:thumbup: totaly agree, and if they are a social worker then it's no surprise that the baby P incident happened if there so concerned with concentrating on pierced ears
My daughter is 9 and is desperate to have them done "all her friends have" I've told her 16
I think that its the parents right to decide when they have there childs ears pierced lol and the comments on it being totaly wrong make me laugh for 1 how many of you have girls ?????
and i had my daughters ears pierced at 8 months she is now 8 and they have never been infected or sore she now wants more earings !!!!!!!
Go on tell me im a bad mum like i give a s£$t
and i had my daughters ears pierced at 8 months she is now 8 and they have never been infected or sore she now wants more earings !!!!!!!
Go on tell me im a bad mum like i give a s£$t
Sex God
I begged and begged for pierced ears when I was a kid. I think I was 6 or 7 when I finally won. However, it was a hollow victory as they hurt like hell, I would not let my mum help me look after them and after a few weeks I took them out and the holes closed up. I have never wanted another piercing.
But to answer the OP, no I don't like the look of babies with pierced ears, don't tiny weeny babies pull at them? You know, with them being all baby-like and not knowing any better?
But to answer the OP, no I don't like the look of babies with pierced ears, don't tiny weeny babies pull at them? You know, with them being all baby-like and not knowing any better?
Sex God
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child abuse you are total wankers lol
I don't think it was aimed at anyone in particular - they are entitled to an opinion; that doesn't make them 'total wankers'
Sex God
I quite fancy being a total wanker. Been training for it ever since I was old enough to have me ears pierced.
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