Yes or no to the AV?

19 Apr 2011

Quote by sexyslut79

The cost of the Royal "parasites" in 2009/10 was £38million, benefit fraud and overpayment was some £3.3 billion. Your version of these statistics is as biased as everything else in your post.

Is that so? From where do you derive your figures? The Sun? The Daily Mail? The Daily Express? Do you really think that the media tells the truth about anything when every single newspaper and every single television station has a political agenda?
Personally I'd be happier to know that my taxes go towards public services-including 'benefits' and grants for young people to better themselves rather than on paying for the a bunch of inbred parasites who should have been sent to the guillotine along with all their cap-doffing, forelock tugging lackeys long ago. But I resent paying my taxes so that the NHS can treat people who are obese because they eat too much and don't do enough exercise, people who have heart diseases for the same reason and because they become stressed as a result of spending too much time making money for themselves and because they drink too much. I also resent paying taxes so that the BBC can pay vacuous non entities vast sums of money for hosting television programmes which should be banned on the grounds that they turn millions of people into mindless vegetables, and finally I resent paying taxes so that the government can send some of these mindless vegetables off to intervene in countries where yet again one tribe or faction is killing and butchering another tribe or faction.
I am always surprised that some people on housing benefits are treated with so much more respect than others....I mean 38 million to just a handful of already ultra-rich dole scroungers ...it's nothing is it...only 38 million
how many hospital beds is that ??
Hold on is the young royal not marrying into a coal mining family ??? (redistribution if wealth and all that )
Tuts!!!geeezzz you just can`t please some rolleyes

I assume the paragraph I have highlighted in red is yours Sexyslut? If you had bothered to read earlier posts you would have seen where I got the figures from.
Would you please advise me as to which university you supposedly lecture at? My daughter intends to read history in a year or two and I want to ensure that her tuition fees are not wasted.

19 Apr 2011

:laughabove::laughabove::laughabove:
based on there comments i really feel they would be better suited living anywhere except the horrid uk. as was said earlier i bet they take the days holiday on the friday of the wedding all right though.
spell checker seams to work ok as have been accused of not being english because of my poor grammar.

19 Apr 2011

Quote by Max777
I assume the paragraph I have highlighted in red is yours Sexyslut? If you had bothered to read earlier posts you would have seen where I got the figures from.
Would you please advise me as to which university you supposedly lecture at? My daughter intends to read history in a year or two and I want to ensure that her tuition fees are not wasted.

unlike the lecturer sitting under a tree bolt

19 Apr 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob

I assume the paragraph I have highlighted in red is yours Sexyslut? If you had bothered to read earlier posts you would have seen where I got the figures from.
Would you please advise me as to which university you supposedly lecture at? My daughter intends to read history in a year or two and I want to ensure that her tuition fees are not wasted.

unlike the lecturer sitting under a tree bolt

smoking something illegal... tut tut

19 Apr 2011

Quote by GnV

I assume the paragraph I have highlighted in red is yours Sexyslut? If you had bothered to read earlier posts you would have seen where I got the figures from.
Would you please advise me as to which university you supposedly lecture at? My daughter intends to read history in a year or two and I want to ensure that her tuition fees are not wasted.

unlike the lecturer sitting under a tree bolt

smoking something illegal... tut tut
Let's just hope the illegal substances don't have a negative impact on his mental state...I resent paying my taxes so the NHS can treat those suffering from self induced psychosis!

20 Apr 2011

Quote by Ben_welshminx
Thanks Max.
So we can all agree that true benefit fraud is indeed a drop in the ocean and a red herring, which sadly conveys the wrong impression that we are over run with thieves.
I am glad we have sorted that one out. I suppose we can move on now.

of course we can ben i know you find the discussion of benefit fraud offensive and uncomfortable wink

i just need to hand these out to the other forum users first

20 Apr 2011

Quote by Max777

I assume the paragraph I have highlighted in red is yours Sexyslut? If you had bothered to read earlier posts you would have seen where I got the figures from.
Would you please advise me as to which university you supposedly lecture at? My daughter intends to read history in a year or two and I want to ensure that her tuition fees are not wasted.

unlike the lecturer sitting under a tree bolt

smoking something illegal... tut tut
Let's just hope the illegal substances don't have a negative impact on his mental state...I resent paying my taxes so the NHS can treat those suffering from self induced psychosis!
lol

No. sorry, I won't tell you where I lecture-this is a swingers' site and I have my reputation to think of!!!!
But I'm glad to know your daughter intends to read History and I wish her the best of luck.

20 Apr 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob

No government under the sun is going to agree with all my views. Personally, I have common ground with every party in the UK from the BNP through the three main parties to the Socialist Alliance, but the common ground varies in extent.I have the least with the BNP and the Conservatives and the most with the Liberal Democrats and the Greens. Personally, I'd like to see a proper democratic government representing everyones's I had my way, the three biggest parties in government would be the Lib Dems, Labour and the Greens in that order. But I'd like to see a few MPs from the smaller parties in government BNP because I think to an extent they do have a point viz immigration, the Socialist Alliance to chivvy for a fairer distribution of wealth, and even a good smattering of Tories to make sure we keep some, though not all of our traditions alive (but not fox hunting, sorry Bluefish )
That is why I favour proprtional representation.

so why just make a point of of how crap the Tories did ....fucking hell where you been for the last decade under Labour. TB (turd boy) and and the idiot they call brown could not have fucked up the UK economy any worse if they`d been trying .
at least try to add a little balance to your post`s that`s if you honestly believe what you write above
and to clarify my own position i favour none of the party`s but always use my local mp to my advantage wink

I am not aware that I did. I don't know whether or not Labour were good for the economy-I am an Historian not an Economist and I am not prepared to comment on something I know little or nothing about. But I felt and feel that Labour is better for society than the Tories who seem bent on taking from the poor to give to the rich as usual. Having said this,I can think of numerous reasons why I would not place Tony Blair's government on my list of favourite governments, not the least of which is that I feel that he humiliated Britain by following America in everything like a slavering dog.
i gather you missed the part where brown gave the banks a few bob of the tax payers coppers
or aware of the cuts because of such actions are crippling many working families
that brown refused to stand up to banks regarding paying bonus from the very funds he paid to the banks to save their very rich arses
then we have the lib dems that have held the biggest ever manifesto garage sale to play spot the faithful Tory dog
you may wish to hold off voting again till you know what your vote means as you stated in your reply to fem innocent

As I said, I am an Historian and not an Economist, and won't comment on something I know little or nothing about.

20 Apr 2011

Quote by sexyslut79
No. sorry, I won't tell you where I lecture-this is a swingers' site and I have my reputation to think of!!!!

Your swinging reputation or your lecturing reputation dunno

20 Apr 2011

Quote by GnV
I only said Robespierre had the right idea with regard to the royalty.

To which you alluded disposing of them by guillotine as under Robespierre's terrorist regime.

Quote by sexyslut79
...one does not have to be a 'leftist' to be anti-monarchy as most of the inhabitants of the United States of America , France, Italy, , Adolf Hitler, Oliver Cromwell and indeed Robespierre himself would confirm.

At odds with your comment is the fact that the peoples of these Countries will be flocking in their thousands to see the event first hand; good news for the British economy! Those who cannot will be glued to their TV sets to wish the happy couple every success in their new life together. Sadly, Herr Hitler and Robespierre will be prevented from enjoying the event.

Quote by sexyslut79
I am not quite sure why you raised the matter of the IRA in a discussion concerning the British royal family-the IRA seem as irrelevant to me in this context as Jason and the Argonauts. Perhaps you could clarify things for me.

Of course. You alluded to disposing of the Royal family in an act of terrorism as would be the preferred method of your chosen champion, Robespierre (see above). I helpfully provided a quote by Robespierre as follows...

Quote by Robespierre
"Terror is nothing more than speedy, severe and inflexible justice; it is thus an emanation of virtue; it is less a principle in itself, than a consequence of the general principle of democracy, applied to the most pressing needs of the patrie"

to which I linked the untimely deaths - at the hands of Irish Republican fundamentalists for whom Robespierre's words must surely be a clarion call - of a member of the institution of lawful Governance, a very well respected member of the Royal family (Lord Mountbatten of Burma) and ordinary members of the public. I trust you can now see relevance.

Quote by sexyslut79
I am intrigued by your supposition that I have 'leftist tendencies'.As I neither believe that people are the way they are because of nurture or nature, but both , and I neither believe in complete state ownership of property nor complete individual ownership of property then I cannot be deemed as having either 'leftist' or 'rightist' tendencies. Perhaps I could be deemed as having 'centrist' the other hand it could just be that like most people I can find some common ground, to varying degrees, with every political party that there is from the BNP through the major three parties to the Socialist Alliance.

Perhaps you are right.
But why be so disparaging about another member who may not be as educated as you are or not able to articulate things in the way you might be capable of? That smacks of elitism and your references to Herr Hitler and Robespierre might suggest that 'centrist' is way short of the mark.
It may indeed be that thousands of people from countries where they very sensibly do not have monarchies will be flocking to see the
wedding of whichever chinless goof is marrying Kate Middleclass, but I am sure that millions won't be.
I have already clarified my position on Robespierre; he is not my 'champion'.
I may be wrong, but you seem to suspect that because I am a republican I must therefore support the Irish Republicans (and presumably the Republican Party in the United States of America too). Let me clarify my position for you. There is more chance of Osama bin Laden retiring to Lourdes and opening a charcuterie there than there is of my ever supporting the IRA and unlike the government and press in this country I am in full support of the measures taken by the Sri Lankese government to deal with the IRA's counterparts in that part of the world, the LTTE, popularly known as the Tamil Tigers
In my opinion, ignorance and arrogance born of ignorance are at the root of a greater part of Mankind's problems, and perhaps this answers your last question.
I didn't describe myself as a 'centrist'.I simply pointed out that one does not have to have 'leftist' tendencies to be a republican and that Hitler, who was, I am sure you'll agree, very far from having 'leftist' tendencies, was a republican.
It's good to see that my posts have resulted in so much vigorous discussion .
Suggesting that we should chop the heads off members of the Royal family suggests a level of extremism I'd rather not visit.

20 Apr 2011

Quote by Max777

I assume the paragraph I have highlighted in red is yours Sexyslut? If you had bothered to read earlier posts you would have seen where I got the figures from.
Would you please advise me as to which university you supposedly lecture at? My daughter intends to read history in a year or two and I want to ensure that her tuition fees are not wasted.

unlike the lecturer sitting under a tree bolt

smoking something illegal... tut tut
Let's just hope the illegal substances don't have a negative impact on his mental state...I resent paying my taxes so the NHS can treat those suffering from self induced psychosis!
Consider me rebuked. As to my mental state, it is true that my psychiatrist told me I was paranoid-but he's always had it in for me lol

20 Apr 2011

Quote by sexyslut79
I only said Robespierre had the right idea with regard to the royalty.

To which you alluded disposing of them by guillotine as under Robespierre's terrorist regime.

Quote by sexyslut79
...one does not have to be a 'leftist' to be anti-monarchy as most of the inhabitants of the United States of America , France, Italy, , Adolf Hitler, Oliver Cromwell and indeed Robespierre himself would confirm.

At odds with your comment is the fact that the peoples of these Countries will be flocking in their thousands to see the event first hand; good news for the British economy! Those who cannot will be glued to their TV sets to wish the happy couple every success in their new life together. Sadly, Herr Hitler and Robespierre will be prevented from enjoying the event.

Quote by sexyslut79
I am not quite sure why you raised the matter of the IRA in a discussion concerning the British royal family-the IRA seem as irrelevant to me in this context as Jason and the Argonauts. Perhaps you could clarify things for me.

Of course. You alluded to disposing of the Royal family in an act of terrorism as would be the preferred method of your chosen champion, Robespierre (see above). I helpfully provided a quote by Robespierre as follows...

Quote by Robespierre
"Terror is nothing more than speedy, severe and inflexible justice; it is thus an emanation of virtue; it is less a principle in itself, than a consequence of the general principle of democracy, applied to the most pressing needs of the patrie"

to which I linked the untimely deaths - at the hands of Irish Republican fundamentalists for whom Robespierre's words must surely be a clarion call - of a member of the institution of lawful Governance, a very well respected member of the Royal family (Lord Mountbatten of Burma) and ordinary members of the public. I trust you can now see relevance.

Quote by sexyslut79
I am intrigued by your supposition that I have 'leftist tendencies'.As I neither believe that people are the way they are because of nurture or nature, but both , and I neither believe in complete state ownership of property nor complete individual ownership of property then I cannot be deemed as having either 'leftist' or 'rightist' tendencies. Perhaps I could be deemed as having 'centrist' the other hand it could just be that like most people I can find some common ground, to varying degrees, with every political party that there is from the BNP through the major three parties to the Socialist Alliance.

Perhaps you are right.
But why be so disparaging about another member who may not be as educated as you are or not able to articulate things in the way you might be capable of? That smacks of elitism and your references to Herr Hitler and Robespierre might suggest that 'centrist' is way short of the mark.
It may indeed be that thousands of people from countries where they very sensibly do not have monarchies will be flocking to see the
wedding of whichever chinless goof is marrying Kate Middleclass, but I am sure that millions won't be.
I have already clarified my position on Robespierre; he is not my 'champion'.
I may be wrong, but you seem to suspect that because I am a republican I must therefore support the Irish Republicans (and presumably the Republican Party in the United States of America too). Let me clarify my position for you. There is more chance of Osama bin Laden retiring to Lourdes and opening a charcuterie there than there is of my ever supporting the IRA and unlike the government and press in this country I am in full support of the measures taken by the Sri Lankese government to deal with the IRA's counterparts in that part of the world, the LTTE, popularly known as the Tamil Tigers
In my opinion, ignorance and arrogance born of ignorance are at the root of a greater part of Mankind's problems, and perhaps this answers your last question.
I didn't describe myself as a 'centrist'.I simply pointed out that one does not have to have 'leftist' tendencies to be a republican and that Hitler, who was, I am sure you'll agree, very far from having 'leftist' tendencies, was a republican.
It's good to see that my posts have resulted in so much vigorous discussion .
Suggesting that we should chop the heads off members of the Royal family suggests a level of extremism I'd rather not visit.
I do wish you would learn to use the excellent quote facilities here in the forum. The bit in red appears to be attributed to me but it is not, just to be clear.
I think there was a similar issue with one of Max's posts in this thread too. It took me ages to try and unravel it all.
You do like to change your mind a lot, don't you!

20 Apr 2011

A big YES from me for AV. It could be a once in a life time opportunity to change our massively flawed current system.
It should always be about a majority vote. Isn't that what democracy is all about ?
Over a 2/3 of MP's elected in current system don't have a majority vote in their constituencies.... they should all be made to work for this. They will have to appeal to a much large section of their constituents to achieve this, so again a good thing for the public.
The fact that only 3 countries currently use the system is neither here nor there. Firstly lets not forget that a lot of countries only offer 2 choices, so AV is obviously not needed there. We should be proud to be leading the way in trying to bring a fairer voting system that will benefit everyone apart from the workshy MP's that currently sit in 'safe' seats that they believe makes them untouchable.
To hear people saying AV will help the lunatic fringe parties like the BNP etc. is absolutely ridiculous, and yet more lies peddled by the No campaign. It will in fact hinder their chances..... Why do you think the BNP are so against AV ?
AV works, and is the fairer system by far.... The 3 main parties all elect their leaders using this or similar systems. In fact Cameron wouldn't have been Tory leader if they used the FPTP system, would of been David Davis. So it's good enough for him but not for the people ?

20 Apr 2011

Quote by Illicit_friends
A big YES from me for AV. It could be a once in a life time opportunity to change our massively flawed current system.
It should always be about a majority vote. Isn't that what democracy is all about ?
Over a 2/3 of MP's elected in current system don't have a majority vote in their constituencies.... they should all be made to work for this. They will have to appeal to a much large section of their constituents to achieve this, so again a good thing for the public.
The fact that only 3 countries currently use the system is neither here nor there. Firstly lets not forget that a lot of countries only offer 2 choices, so AV is obviously not needed there. We should be proud to be leading the way in trying to bring a fairer voting system that will benefit everyone apart from the workshy MP's that currently sit in 'safe' seats that they believe makes them untouchable.
To hear people saying AV will help the lunatic fringe parties like the BNP etc. is absolutely ridiculous, and yet more lies peddled by the No campaign. It will in fact hinder their chances..... Why do you think the BNP are so against AV ?
AV works, and is the fairer system by far.... The 3 main parties all elect their leaders using this or similar systems. In fact Cameron wouldn't have been Tory leader if they used the FPTP system, would of been David Davis. So it's good enough for him but not for the people ?

Well said.

20 Apr 2011

I've said it before ..... there is only one reasonable response to a crown ... swing an axe under it
AV is a shit heap of a compromise that will produce compromised government like the one we are currently experiencing... the only governments in recent history that have actually achieved any kind of change in our society are those who sat at the extremes of the mainstream political spectrum,AV will negate the influence of the left and the right and leave us with governments either unwilling or unable to effect real changes .... If we're to have a system of proportional representation this is quite possibly the worst kind to choose
Vive la revolution vive la republic......death to the tyrant Brenda and all her diseased offspring

20 Apr 2011

Quote by sexyslut79
snip
As I said, I am an Historian and not an Economist, and won't comment on something I know little or nothing about.

so you didn`t write this then :silly:

Quote by sexyslut79
No Way!!! If anything, people shouldn't be allowed to vote unless they can show, by means of a test, that they understand the political and economic philosophies of the parties standing in the elections and the implications of those philosophies for society and the economy. How many people voted for Thatcher and then complained about the prices of travel on trains after they had been privatised, or about the state of public services after she had been in power for a few years? If they had understood Conservative Party political philosophy and the Friedmanite economic philosophy then they would have known what was going to happen. In any case, no political party would make voting compulsory in the knowledge that all those who don't want to vote would vote against them in retalliation.

20 Apr 2011

:laughabove::laughabove::laughabove: Good call Rob, I missed that one :thumbup:

20 Apr 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I've said it before ..... there is only one reasonable response to a crown ... swing an axe under it
AV is a shit heap of a compromise that will produce compromised government like the one we are currently experiencing... the only governments in recent history that have actually achieved any kind of change in our society are those who sat at the extremes of the mainstream political spectrum,AV will negate the influence of the left and the right and leave us with governments either unwilling or unable to effect real changes .... If we're to have a system of proportional representation this is quite possibly the worst kind to choose
Vive la revolution vive la republic......death to the tyrant Brenda and all her diseased offspring

Seems even the republicans are split on the AV issue lol

20 Apr 2011

Quote by GnV
I only said Robespierre had the right idea with regard to the royalty.

To which you alluded disposing of them by guillotine as under Robespierre's terrorist regime.

Quote by sexyslut79
...one does not have to be a 'leftist' to be anti-monarchy as most of the inhabitants of the United States of America , France, Italy, , Adolf Hitler, Oliver Cromwell and indeed Robespierre himself would confirm.

At odds with your comment is the fact that the peoples of these Countries will be flocking in their thousands to see the event first hand; good news for the British economy! Those who cannot will be glued to their TV sets to wish the happy couple every success in their new life together. Sadly, Herr Hitler and Robespierre will be prevented from enjoying the event.

Quote by sexyslut79
I am not quite sure why you raised the matter of the IRA in a discussion concerning the British royal family-the IRA seem as irrelevant to me in this context as Jason and the Argonauts. Perhaps you could clarify things for me.

Of course. You alluded to disposing of the Royal family in an act of terrorism as would be the preferred method of your chosen champion, Robespierre (see above). I helpfully provided a quote by Robespierre as follows...

Quote by Robespierre
"Terror is nothing more than speedy, severe and inflexible justice; it is thus an emanation of virtue; it is less a principle in itself, than a consequence of the general principle of democracy, applied to the most pressing needs of the patrie"

to which I linked the untimely deaths - at the hands of Irish Republican fundamentalists for whom Robespierre's words must surely be a clarion call - of a member of the institution of lawful Governance, a very well respected member of the Royal family (Lord Mountbatten of Burma) and ordinary members of the public. I trust you can now see relevance.

Quote by sexyslut79
I am intrigued by your supposition that I have 'leftist tendencies'.As I neither believe that people are the way they are because of nurture or nature, but both , and I neither believe in complete state ownership of property nor complete individual ownership of property then I cannot be deemed as having either 'leftist' or 'rightist' tendencies. Perhaps I could be deemed as having 'centrist' the other hand it could just be that like most people I can find some common ground, to varying degrees, with every political party that there is from the BNP through the major three parties to the Socialist Alliance.

Perhaps you are right.
But why be so disparaging about another member who may not be as educated as you are or not able to articulate things in the way you might be capable of? That smacks of elitism and your references to Herr Hitler and Robespierre might suggest that 'centrist' is way short of the mark.
It may indeed be that thousands of people from countries where they very sensibly do not have monarchies will be flocking to see the
wedding of whichever chinless goof is marrying Kate Middleclass, but I am sure that millions won't be.
I have already clarified my position on Robespierre; he is not my 'champion'.
I may be wrong, but you seem to suspect that because I am a republican I must therefore support the Irish Republicans (and presumably the Republican Party in the United States of America too). Let me clarify my position for you. There is more chance of Osama bin Laden retiring to Lourdes and opening a charcuterie there than there is of my ever supporting the IRA and unlike the government and press in this country I am in full support of the measures taken by the Sri Lankese government to deal with the IRA's counterparts in that part of the world, the LTTE, popularly known as the Tamil Tigers
In my opinion, ignorance and arrogance born of ignorance are at the root of a greater part of Mankind's problems, and perhaps this answers your last question.
I didn't describe myself as a 'centrist'.I simply pointed out that one does not have to have 'leftist' tendencies to be a republican and that Hitler, who was, I am sure you'll agree, very far from having 'leftist' tendencies, was a republican.
It's good to see that my posts have resulted in so much vigorous discussion .
Suggesting that we should chop the heads off members of the Royal family suggests a level of extremism I'd rather not visit.
I do wish you would learn to use the excellent quote facilities here in the forum. The bit in red appears to be attributed to me but it is not, just to be clear.
I think there was a similar issue with one of Max's posts in this thread too. It took me ages to try and unravel it all.
You do like to change your mind a lot, don't you!
I suppose it would seem like that to one who doesn't read my posts properly.

20 Apr 2011

Quote by Lizaleanrob
snip
As I said, I am an Historian and not an Economist, and won't comment on something I know little or nothing about.

so you didn`t write this then :silly:

Quote by sexyslut79
No Way!!! If anything, people shouldn't be allowed to vote unless they can show, by means of a test, that they understand the political and economic philosophies of the parties standing in the elections and the implications of those philosophies for society and the economy. How many people voted for Thatcher and then complained about the prices of travel on trains after they had been privatised, or about the state of public services after she had been in power for a few years? If they had understood Conservative Party political philosophy and the Friedmanite economic philosophy then they would have known what was going to happen. In any case, no political party would make voting compulsory in the knowledge that all those who don't want to vote would vote against them in retalliation.

It is one thing to understand a philosophy, and another thing to know whether it works and for whom. I knew what Friedman's ideas were and so I opposed the party who had taken them on board. The defence rests.

20 Apr 2011

Quote by sexyslut79
snip
As I said, I am an Historian and not an Economist, and won't comment on something I know little or nothing about.

so you didn`t write this then :silly:

Quote by sexyslut79
No Way!!! If anything, people shouldn't be allowed to vote unless they can show, by means of a test, that they understand the political and economic philosophies of the parties standing in the elections and the implications of those philosophies for society and the economy. How many people voted for Thatcher and then complained about the prices of travel on trains after they had been privatised, or about the state of public services after she had been in power for a few years? If they had understood Conservative Party political philosophy and the Friedmanite economic philosophy then they would have known what was going to happen. In any case, no political party would make voting compulsory in the knowledge that all those who don't want to vote would vote against them in retalliation.

It is one thing to understand a philosophy, and another thing to know whether it works and for whom. I knew what Friedman's ideas were and so I opposed the party who had taken them on board. The defence rests.
Twaddle. Squirming like a snake on the end of a pole. Rob got you bang to rights on this one. I hope you don't lecture law students...

Quote by ="sexyslut79
The defence rests.

They have a life of failed cases to look forward to if you do.

20 Apr 2011

Quote by GnV
snip
As I said, I am an Historian and not an Economist, and won't comment on something I know little or nothing about.

so you didn`t write this then :silly:

Quote by sexyslut79
No Way!!! If anything, people shouldn't be allowed to vote unless they can show, by means of a test, that they understand the political and economic philosophies of the parties standing in the elections and the implications of those philosophies for society and the economy. How many people voted for Thatcher and then complained about the prices of travel on trains after they had been privatised, or about the state of public services after she had been in power for a few years? If they had understood Conservative Party political philosophy and the Friedmanite economic philosophy then they would have known what was going to happen. In any case, no political party would make voting compulsory in the knowledge that all those who don't want to vote would vote against them in retalliation.

It is one thing to understand a philosophy, and another thing to know whether it works and for whom. I knew what Friedman's ideas were and so I opposed the party who had taken them on board. The defence rests.
Twaddle. Squirming like a snake on the end of a pole. Rob got you bang to rights on this one. I hope you don't lecture law students...

Quote by ="sexyslut79
The defence rests.

They have a life of failed cases to look forward to if you do.
one too many trips to that tree i think innocent

20 Apr 2011

Quote by GnV
snip
As I said, I am an Historian and not an Economist, and won't comment on something I know little or nothing about.

so you didn`t write this then :silly:

Quote by sexyslut79
No Way!!! If anything, people shouldn't be allowed to vote unless they can show, by means of a test, that they understand the political and economic philosophies of the parties standing in the elections and the implications of those philosophies for society and the economy. How many people voted for Thatcher and then complained about the prices of travel on trains after they had been privatised, or about the state of public services after she had been in power for a few years? If they had understood Conservative Party political philosophy and the Friedmanite economic philosophy then they would have known what was going to happen. In any case, no political party would make voting compulsory in the knowledge that all those who don't want to vote would vote against them in retalliation.

It is one thing to understand a philosophy, and another thing to know whether it works and for whom. I knew what Friedman's ideas were and so I opposed the party who had taken them on board. The defence rests.
Twaddle. Squirming like a snake on the end of a pole. Rob got you bang to rights on this one. I hope you don't lecture law students...

Quote by ="sexyslut79
The defence rests.

They have a life of failed cases to look forward to if you do.
Your use of the term 'twaddle' makes it transparently clear to me that you are a highly erudite man and I wait with baited breath to read your summaries of the economic theories of Friedman and Keynes, and of the political philosophies of Edmund Burke and John Locke and their relevance to the Conservative Party and the Liberal Democrats. Could I also beg you to enlighten us all as to the origins of social democracy and tell us all about the Second International . Perhaps whilst you're at it, if you have the time, you could tell us what a libertarian conservative is and which Conservative MPS regard themselves as libertarians, and whether you incline towards libertarianism or might also do us the kindness of telling us about the think tanks which advise the major political parties in Britain such as Demos and the Fabian Society and, again if you have the time,tell us all about Plato, Aristotle and the origins of democracy.

20 Apr 2011

pmsl. Well, now I know you've lost the plot big time and you still can't get the quote thing right.
"I rest my case" wink

Oh, and thanks for the compliment. Much appreciated. lol

21 Apr 2011

i wonder if there's some science or maths at work on this. some formula of predictability.
it seems a bit like presenting a menu in a restaurant where people appear to be given a choice, of intriguing but slightly bewildering meals; but inevitably the majority plump for steak and chips.

21 Apr 2011

Quote by duncanlondon
i wonder if there's some science or maths at work on this. some formula of predictability.
it seems a bit like presenting a menu in a restaurant where people appear to be given a choice, of intriguing but slightly bewildering meals; but inevitably the majority plump for steak and chips.

i think staggers has it right AV would be nothing but a disaster

21 Apr 2011

Quote by GnV
pmsl. Well, now I know you've lost the plot big time and you still can't get the quote thing right.
"I rest my case"
Oh, and thanks for the compliment. Much appreciated.

No I can't get the quote thing right and I'd welcome some instruction on how to do so. But I think I've made my point. In contrast, it seems, to your good self, I do know something about political philosophy and economic theory and perhaps because of this I neither incline towards the Left as some users of the forum do or to the Right as you clearly do, but take an overview.
I note by the way that like others of your age and persuasion, you admire Lord Mountbatten, rather than the far more respectworthy Gandhi or even Nehru. You are aware, I take it that Mountbatten's first language was German, that he was a closet homosexual, and that Nehru disrespected him enough to have an affair with his wife?

21 Apr 2011

YES to AV
At work so cant add more sad

21 Apr 2011

Quote by sexyslut79
pmsl. Well, now I know you've lost the plot big time and you still can't get the quote thing right.
"I rest my case"
Oh, and thanks for the compliment. Much appreciated.

No I can't get the quote thing right and I'd welcome some instruction on how to do so. But I think I've made my point. In contrast, it seems, to your good self, I do know something about political philosophy and economic theory and perhaps because of this I neither incline towards the Left as some users of the forum do or to the Right as you clearly do, but take an overview.
I note by the way that like others of your age and persuasion, you admire Lord Mountbatten, rather than the far more respectworthy Gandhi or even Nehru. You are aware, I take it that Mountbatten's first language was German, that he was a closet homosexual, and that Nehru disrespected him enough to have an affair with his wife?
Here are some wonderful words by George Bernard Shaw - Those who can do, those who can't teach.
I note that you are neither a Politician nor an economist but, by your own admission, a teacher (and by all accounts not providing a very good example to the impressionable youth in today's society) so the quote seems pertinent.
I trust the OP will indulge my wandering off topic here but please tell me, as a philosopher, how can it be that a man such as Nehru can be both respect worthy and disrespectful at the same time?
And besides, what point do you seek to make by reminding your reader of the origins of the Battenberg family? And what perverse reason could there possibly be in your mind to mention suggestions as to his sexuality (when indeed, the very same was suggested of Nehru himself!)? Your profile calls for Bi Females and fair haired males so perhaps there may be a clue there dunno

Anyway, enough of trading insults to each other's intelligence. I'm sure you can find a suitable tree to sit under and contemplate the world through a haze of funny smelling smoke but I'm afraid it's a bit too early in the year to be expecting apples to fall off branches so you can exercise your mind on matters of gravity. :wink:
Oh, and finally, Happy 85th today your Majesty. Long may you continue to reign in good health.

21 Apr 2011

Quote by GnV
pmsl. Well, now I know you've lost the plot big time and you still can't get the quote thing right.
"I rest my case"
Oh, and thanks for the compliment. Much appreciated.

No I can't get the quote thing right and I'd welcome some instruction on how to do so. But I think I've made my point. In contrast, it seems, to your good self, I do know something about political philosophy and economic theory and perhaps because of this I neither incline towards the Left as some users of the forum do or to the Right as you clearly do, but take an overview.
I note by the way that like others of your age and persuasion, you admire Lord Mountbatten, rather than the far more respectworthy Gandhi or even Nehru. You are aware, I take it that Mountbatten's first language was German, that he was a closet homosexual, and that Nehru disrespected him enough to have an affair with his wife?
Here are some wonderful words by George Bernard Shaw - Those who can do, those who can't teach.
I note that you are neither a Politician nor an economist but, by your own admission, a teacher (and by all accounts not providing a very good example to the impressionable youth in today's society) so the quote seems pertinent.
I trust the OP will indulge my wandering off topic here but please tell me, as a philosopher, how can it be that a man such as Nehru can be both respect worthy and disrespectful at the same time?
And besides, what point do you seek to make by reminding your reader of the origins of the Battenberg family? And what perverse reason could there possibly be in your mind to mention suggestions as to his sexuality (when indeed, the very same was suggested of Nehru himself!)? Your profile calls for Bi Females and fair haired males so perhaps there may be a clue there dunno

Anyway, enough of trading insults to each other's intelligence. I'm sure you can find a suitable tree to sit under and contemplate the world through a haze of funny smelling smoke but I'm afraid it's a bit too early in the year to be expecting apples to fall off branches so you can exercise your mind on matters of gravity. :wink:
Oh, and finally, Happy 85th today your Majesty. Long may you continue to reign in good health.
Actually I am a university lecturer not a teacher, and I lecture only post-graduates who are, one hopes, past the stage of being impressionable. But well done for quoting one of the founder members of the Fabian Society-there is hope for you yet it seems.
Tut tut, insinuations!!
As to your question about Nehru, Heidegger can provide you with an answer as I'm sure a sagacious and erudite man such as yourself will remember immediately.
The story of Isaac Newton and his apples is, I fear, as true as the story of Archimedes and his bath or, to put it another way, 'twaddle'.
Am I wrong in thinking that the queen shares her birthday with Adolf Hitler and Sadam Hussein?
I'm afraid the pressures of work will prevent me from forum chatting for a time, but I shall look forward to sparring with you again.A worthy opponent . :wink:
my thanks to my wife, a mere psychology graduate, for reminding me that GBS was not a founding member of the FS, just a member.

Yes or no to the alternative vote?