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Our life, well parts of the Policing, really in 'their hands' ?
A teenager who became Britain's first youth Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) has apologised for violent, racist and anti-gay remarks on Twitter.
Paris Brown, 17, was appointed to work alongside Kent's Independent PCC Ann Barnes representing young people across the county last week, boasted about her sex life, drug taking and drinking on her Twitter account.
Ann Barnes saying, ""Many will say that Paris has simply been through a phase, however unfortunate, that many teenagers go through."
So why appoint her then ?
banghead
Surely be a first for Paris Brown to be actually charged over her racist and anti-gay remarks given the Law (s) around this area.
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Afterall ignorance is no defence under the Law and if old enough and mature enough to be considered youth Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC), then old enough to face the consequences.
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Our life, well parts of the Policing, really in 'their hands' ?
A teenager who became Britain's first youth Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) has apologised for violent, racist and anti-gay remarks on Twitter.
Paris Brown, 17, was appointed to work alongside Kent's Independent PCC Ann Barnes representing young people across the county last week, boasted about her sex life, drug taking and drinking on her Twitter account.
Ann Barnes saying, ""Many will say that Paris has simply been through a phase, however unfortunate, that many teenagers go through."
So why appoint her then ?
banghead
Surely be a first for Paris Brown to be actually charged over her racist and anti-gay remarks given the Law (s) around this area.
:thumbup:
Afterall ignorance is no defence under the Law and if old enough and mature enough to be considered youth Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC), then old enough to face the consequences.

Seems very strange to me why they would think about appointing what is really a child. She has been proved to be a foul mouthed, violent racist and she is a girl FFS.
I want to know what individuals appointed her and why.
Mind you though as a lot of youngsters are exactly like her, maybe the appointment was the right thing. What a state of affairs eh? :twisted:
Incredible, just absolutely incredible. They should ask the PCC, Ms Barnes, to step down as well as get rid of this little girl. Makes a mockery of the Police.
Another good use of tax-payers money!!
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Incredible, just absolutely incredible. They should ask the PCC, Ms Barnes, to step down as well as get rid of this little girl. Makes a mockery of the Police.
Another good use of tax-payers money!!

It seems that the pc brigade are only to quick to give children responsibilities way above their own maturity.
My Daughter is at Uni and you should see some of the complete fucking air heads in the student Union, and what they call for. God help the future generations.
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Our life, well parts of the Policing, really in 'their hands' ?
A teenager who became Britain's first youth Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) has apologised for violent, racist and anti-gay remarks on Twitter.
Paris Brown, 17, was appointed to work alongside Kent's Independent PCC Ann Barnes representing young people across the county last week, boasted about her sex life, drug taking and drinking on her Twitter account.
Ann Barnes saying, ""Many will say that Paris has simply been through a phase, however unfortunate, that many teenagers go through."
So why appoint her then ?
banghead
Surely be a first for Paris Brown to be actually charged over her racist and anti-gay remarks given the Law (s) around this area.
:thumbup:
Afterall ignorance is no defence under the Law and if old enough and mature enough to be considered youth Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC), then old enough to face the consequences.

Seems very strange to me why they would think about appointing what is really a child. She has been proved to be a foul mouthed, violent racist and she is a girl FFS.
I want to know what individuals appointed her and why.
Mind you though as a lot of youngsters are exactly like her, maybe the appointment was the right thing. What a state of affairs eh? :twisted:

a child ? this is Britain not the USA, she was 17, at 17 we sent our soldiers to war in this Country till only a short time ago, there were 17yr olds sent to the Falklands Campaign (but of course we dont allow them to drink alcohol or vote but mature enough to go to a warzone). Men and Women or Children (whichever your point of view just months older than her are currently serving in Afghanistan.
The law states that prior to 18 you are a child, thereafter an adult. There is no grey area. No matter what your moral objection maybe.
In this instance I agree with the law and you, I was pleased when they stopped sending 17 year old children into warzones, but as most on here know, when it comes to the law, I live my life in the way my Nation has taught me to live it, obeying and respecting only those laws that I beilieve are right and just, in fact morally better than my Nation treats it's own laws and those of other Nations as the Nation is willing to break laws for personal gain, greed and because it suits them at the time.
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Seems very strange to me why they would think about appointing what is really a child. She has been proved to be a foul mouthed, violent racist and she is a girl FFS.

Just a quick query: what is the 'and she is a girl FFS' about? Are you implying girls are not foul mouthed, violent or racist? Or are you surprised a girl would be appointed to this post?
Just seems somewhat, dare I say it, sexist... dunno
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Seems very strange to me why they would think about appointing what is really a child. She has been proved to be a foul mouthed, violent racist and she is a girl FFS.

Just a quick query: what is the 'and she is a girl FFS' about? Are you implying girls are not foul mouthed, violent or racist? Or are you surprised a girl would be appointed to this post?
Just seems somewhat, dare I say it, sexist... dunno
Sexist, racist, ageist, political extremist, bigot. The list goes on :lol2:
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In this instance I agree with the law and you, I was pleased when they stopped sending 17 year old children into warzones,

That would be June 2003. However it is an inconvenient truth that at the time we had 17 year olds deployed to fight in Iraq.
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Seems very strange to me why they would think about appointing what is really a child. She has been proved to be a foul mouthed, violent racist and she is a girl FFS.

Just a quick query: what is the 'and she is a girl FFS' about? Are you implying girls are not foul mouthed, violent or racist? Or are you surprised a girl would be appointed to this post?
Just seems somewhat, dare I say it, sexist... dunno
Sorry Nola. What I meant was I would have expected that behaviour from a guy, but I thought girls were a bit ermmm better behaved, and less offensive?
Not for a second would I say anything negative purely because she is a girl, in fact I would say they were probably more capable than the opposite sex.
So as I see it the young girl at the centre of this story has made a series of public broadcasts insinuating that she takes drugs, that she drinks, she is racist, sexist and a bigot. Yet the shock of this story isn't that she has said these things, but that she said them between the ages of 14 and 16!
Lets get the cops round to talk to her parents and her about under age drinking, drug taking, and antisocial behaviour and kick her out of the £15k taxpayer funded job she has been given.
Or we could accept that she has made a massive mistake at a young age and genuinely regrets being so full of attitude in her formative years.
dunno
Female or male, sorry makes no difference.
espousing those views in this day and age is wrong and admitting breaking several Laws, then expecting to get away with it especially giben the Youth PCC role part funded by the Taxpayer (not directly funded as her £15,000 pa is apparently coming out of PCC Anne Barnes salary) is patently wrong.
Back to an opening point and "....Paris Brown to be actually charged ..."with these offences, never mind her parents/legal guardians to also have some explaining to do will be a start.
As for the 'side' issues around 17 year olds being adults or not, allowed to kill for Country or not is surely the subject for another thread, however as it's been mentioned there is a Campaign going around how the Police treat 17year olds as there is currently no obligation to advise their parents when they are arrested and held in custody, indeed 17 year olds are treated as adults in police custody despite being regarded as children in other parts of the criminal justice system.
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And there you have the definition of sexist and he doesn`t even understand it himself !! lol

You need to stop spending those evenings on your own Flower. Get out and enjoy life a bit more.
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So as I see it the young girl at the centre of this story has made a series of public broadcasts insinuating that she takes drugs, that she drinks, she is racist, sexist and a bigot. Yet the shock of this story isn't that she has said these things, but that she said them between the ages of 14 and 16!
Lets get the cops round to talk to her parents and her about under age drinking, drug taking, and antisocial behaviour and kick her out of the £15k taxpayer funded job she has been given.
Or we could accept that she has made a massive mistake at a young age and genuinely regrets being so full of attitude in her formative years.
dunno

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Paris Brown, has resigned from her post, apparently "quitting in the interests of the young people of Kent".
Though the Police are investigating her over her tweets she posted which could be considered racist and anti-gay, possible criminal offences.
Kent PCC Ann Barnes said Kent Police's vetting procedures, which were used during the recruitment process, did not normally require social networks to be scrutinised for posts.
Miss Brown had been asked at the end of her job interview if there were any views she held, or if there was anything in her past that could embarrass her or the youth PCC post, and the teenager's answer had been "no", Ms Barnes added.
Well this daft silly case has now taken another twist. It seems that The 17-year-old's mobile phone was seized and she was questioned by officers from Kent police's Special Branch.
Is this that serious where she is now being questioned by Special Branch police FFS? Come on, we really need to get a proper grip on this. She said a few silly things on Facethingy and was ultimately sacked from her position, for what it was worth anyway. Should the humiliation of that alone not have been enough for this silly girl? I would have hoped the woman who hired her should have also been sacked, by am sure she has the backing of the Police federation on matters such as this eh?
When we need a police officer to attend our house when we need one, we would be lucky to get one of those plastic bobbies,you know the ones the Local community police. This 17 year old has been afforded a special set of police officers all to herself. It seems that all the police are either interviewing silly little girls, or questioning " alleged " old men in the Yew Tree investigation. Have we not got our priorities wrong somewhere? What about the police offering a service to all ?
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Seems very strange to me why they would think about appointing what is really a child. She has been proved to be a foul mouthed, violent racist and she is a girl FFS.

Just a quick query: what is the 'and she is a girl FFS' about? Are you implying girls are not foul mouthed, violent or racist? Or are you surprised a girl would be appointed to this post?
Just seems somewhat, dare I say it, sexist... dunno
Sorry Nola. What I meant was I would have expected that behaviour from a guy, but I thought girls were a bit ermmm better behaved, and less offensive?
Not for a second would I say anything negative purely because she is a girl, in fact I would say they were probably more capable than the opposite sex.
You don't get out much do you? LOL
Seriously. Girls (some girls) are just as bad as (some) boys. Don't ever think that sweet looking little girl is actually sweet - she has probably just put mud in someone's sandwiches. My personal experience of girls (ie my sister) is that they are a damned sight more devious that boys.
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You don't get out much do you? LOL

Actually I do get out a lot, but on the whole from what I see, the guys are far worse than the girls. That is NOT to say that girls can be all sweetness and light, so why people on here have a love of taking things out of context I do not know LOL
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Seriously. Girls (some girls) are just as bad as (some) boys. Don't ever think that sweet looking little girl is actually sweet - she has probably just put mud in someone's sandwiches. My personal experience of girls (ie my sister) is that they are a damned sight more devious that boys.

Well I actually get on very well with my Sister who is very well behaved at 51. But then again from what I know of her, she has always been well behaved. In other words no fighting or drugs and certainly no police home to the front door of my parents house.
If we were to take at random 100 boys and a 100 girls, I am sure I know which ones the police would be arresting more of at the end of a Saturday night.
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If we were to take at random 100 boys and a 100 girls, I am sure I know which ones the police would be arresting more of at the end of a Saturday night.

That might very well be the case but it's cos of the girls that the boys will be fighting.
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That might very well be the case but it's cos of the girls that the boys will be fighting.

Well you are obviously much more of an expert on the subject than I am.
It doesn't really matter who are the worst the girls or the boys does it, the point is that many of our teenagers have not been taught respect, they know that the courts will do very little against them, some have a string of convictions with no real action taken to make them change their ways.
I am sure the Police Officers arresting these people are sick to death of the sight of the same old car thieves, burglars and shoplifters, the violent ones and the contstant drunks knowing that they will process them and they will be out doing the same thing the next day, that must be sould destroying at times.
It is time the Nation and the Government brought in some real penalties to stop them, some of us on here remember when you were scared to break the law in a minor way because of a fear of the consequences. that is not the case now.
Is it any wonder that our Police target those who break other laws who will be dealt with, a relatively law abiding middle aged person speeding or having a domestic argument is far more likely to be charged and taken to court (quite rightly) than a teenager caught behind the wheel of his 15th stolen car (quite wrongly).
Don't pay your council tax you will be dealt with, don't pay your TV licence and you will end up in prison, terrorise the people on your estate or steal a car as a youth and you might get a holiday or a free driving course.
We are simply sending out the wrong message to our children and our future.
Surely the right way to tackle this problem is to go to the root of it?
Mids you state you didn't break the law because you were afraid of the consequences. I didn't break the law because I knew it was wrong.
I think not wanting to do something because it is wrong is a position that we should try and get to, much cheaper in the long term and better for the population.
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Surely the right way to tackle this problem is to go to the root of it?
Mids you state you didn't break the law because you were afraid of the consequences. I didn't break the law because I knew it was wrong.
I think not wanting to do something because it is wrong is a position that we should try and get to, much cheaper in the long term and better for the population.

Your right but I am not always the person I would like to be and there are times I would like to break the law, there are times when I have broken the law and there are times when I have broken the law on instruction from the UK Government who make so many of the laws.
If I break the law and I am caught I don't moan about it, I believe the Police, for the most part do a wonderfull and difficult job, I have always been treated with respect by Police Officers even when being arrested or questioned, I was treated with respect and decency when I was in Prison.
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Your right but I am not always the person I would like to be and there are times I would like to break the law, there are times when I have broken the law and there are times when I have broken the law on instruction from the UK Government who make so many of the laws.
If I break the law and I am caught I don't moan about it, I believe the Police, for the most part do a wonderful and difficult job, I have always been treated with respect by Police Officers even when being arrested or questioned, I was treated with respect and decency when I was in Prison.

Mids, thankyou for your honest and candid comment.