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*chuckles* don't tempt me...
Anyway.. much as it pains me to do so.. since the only reason that I asked to have my name put down was due to friends from chat asking me if I wanted to go..
take my name off the reserve list please
thankyou
Quote by Ceryndrion
*chuckles* don't tempt me...
Anyway.. much as it pains me to do so.. since the only reason that I asked to have my name put down was due to friends from chat asking me if I wanted to go..
take my name off the reserve list please
thankyou

Ceryndrion,
IMO you are becoming a munch arranger's nightmare.................
I am just saving people the hassle, call me a nightmare, say that I try to muscle in.. call me whatever you will.. I am beyond caring now..
Quote by Ceryndrion
I am just saving people the hassle, call me a nightmare, say that I try to muscle in.. call me whatever you will.. I am beyond caring now..

Well the door is over there>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Close it behind you on your way out
Quote by Sarah
*chuckles* don't tempt me...
Anyway.. much as it pains me to do so.. since the only reason that I asked to have my name put down was due to friends from chat asking me if I wanted to go..
take my name off the reserve list please
thankyou

Ceryndrion,
IMO you are becoming a munch arranger's nightmare.................
Sarah,
Is not the purpose of a Munch to allow new members to meet established members with the view of being able to ask questions about the swinging lifestyle in a purely vanilla environment???
Quote by Ceryndrion
I am just saving people the hassle, call me a nightmare, say that I try to muscle in.. call me whatever you will.. I am beyond caring now..

Ceryndrion I think you missed the point. It's not unusual for relative newcomers to the board to be asked to get themselves known a little by contributing to the forum. You can't just sit back and wait for someone to vouch for you. I think you've kind of blustered in and got the wrong idea of how this works. Maybe take a step back from wanting to munch/get vouched and just join in with the banter? I think you'd understand that people are going to be wary of newcomers, given the press that swinging receives.
Quote by freckledbird
I am just saving people the hassle, call me a nightmare, say that I try to muscle in.. call me whatever you will.. I am beyond caring now..

Ceryndrion I think you missed the point. It's not unusual for relative newcomers to the board to be asked to get themselves known a little by contributing to the forum. You can't just sit back and wait for someone to vouch for you. I think you've kind of blustered in and got the wrong idea of how this works. Maybe take a step back from wanting to munch/get vouched and just join in with the banter? I think you'd understand that people are going to be wary of newcomers, given the press that swinging receives.
Just the forum frecklebird???
Quote by Wishmaster
I am just saving people the hassle, call me a nightmare, say that I try to muscle in.. call me whatever you will.. I am beyond caring now..

Ceryndrion I think you missed the point. It's not unusual for relative newcomers to the board to be asked to get themselves known a little by contributing to the forum. You can't just sit back and wait for someone to vouch for you. I think you've kind of blustered in and got the wrong idea of how this works. Maybe take a step back from wanting to munch/get vouched and just join in with the banter? I think you'd understand that people are going to be wary of newcomers, given the press that swinging receives.
Just the forum frecklebird???
No, not just the forum Wishy. If people in the chatroom know Ceryndrion already though, I wouldn't have thought that getting an invitation to the munch would be a problem.
Quote by Wishmaster
*chuckles* don't tempt me...
Anyway.. much as it pains me to do so.. since the only reason that I asked to have my name put down was due to friends from chat asking me if I wanted to go..
take my name off the reserve list please
thankyou

Ceryndrion,
IMO you are becoming a munch arranger's nightmare.................
Sarah,
Is not the purpose of a Munch to allow new members to meet established members with the view of being able to ask questions about the swinging lifestyle in a purely vanilla environment???

yes it is, BUT when it is clearly stated in most lead threads about cut off dates etc to make the list............and some people still ask to come when they don't meet the basic criteria, ..............it becomes a munch arranger's nightmare and takes up time explaining to that person why they cannot come............if only they had corrctly read the first post.
IMO
Quote by Sarah
*chuckles* don't tempt me...
Anyway.. much as it pains me to do so.. since the only reason that I asked to have my name put down was due to friends from chat asking me if I wanted to go..
take my name off the reserve list please
thankyou

Ceryndrion,
IMO you are becoming a munch arranger's nightmare.................
Sarah,
Is not the purpose of a Munch to allow new members to meet established members with the view of being able to ask questions about the swinging lifestyle in a purely vanilla environment???

yes it is, BUT when it is clearly stated in most lead threads about cut off dates etc to make the list............and some people still ask to come when they don't meet the basic criteria, ..............it becomes a munch arranger's nightmare and takes up time explaining to that person why they cannot come............if only they had corrctly read the first post.
IMO
......and maybe some people should read THIS thread properly.... there is no cut off date for membership which means that ANY current, valid SH member should not be refused admittance to THIS munch... as per the rules!!!
Quote by Sarah
yes it is, BUT when it is clearly stated in most lead threads about cut off dates etc to make the list............and some people still ask to come when they don't meet the basic criteria, ..............it becomes a munch arranger's nightmare and takes up time explaining to that person why they cannot come............if only they had corrctly read the first post.
IMO

I must take the blame here Sarah and Wishmaster.
I missed out on putting a cut-off date on the first post.
I have PM'd ceryndrion and explained a few things and he will have hopefully taken that explanation in the nature it was meant.
Marcuso
xx xx
Quote by Marcuso
yes it is, BUT when it is clearly stated in most lead threads about cut off dates etc to make the list............and some people still ask to come when they don't meet the basic criteria, ..............it becomes a munch arranger's nightmare and takes up time explaining to that person why they cannot come............if only they had corrctly read the first post.
IMO

I must take the blame here Sarah and Wishmaster.
I missed out on putting a cut-off date on the first post.
I have PM'd ceryndrion and explained a few things and he will have hopefully taken that explanation in the nature it was meant.
Marcuso
xx xx
Thanks Marcuso for clarifing that xxxxx
Well, I'll be blowed. A local munch and I'm not around!! mad Hope you all have a good time. smile
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/terminology/munch.html
A Munch is open to all - couples, singles, Gay, Bi, CDs, etc., there are no limits. The exception to this is the brand new newbie, i.e. those who have just joined the site or have not been an active participant. This is only to prevent gawpers, journalists and those who are just TOO curious. Remember, if you are keen to attend a Munch and meet other swingers, but are considered too new for this one, join in and keep posting because there'll be another Munch coming along shortly.
What that boils down to is that we can all follow munch guidelines but the munch organiser can not and will not be forced into inviting anyone they do not feel comfortable with. That usually turns out to be a newbie.
Even if there is not a cut off date, I think we can all use our common sense and allow organisers to determine what a newbie is.
Maybe the munch organisers here are a little more careful with Ceryndrion due to the fact he made a poor attempt to get himself on to the Notts Much guest list after it was closed rolleyes
I am just going to say one last thing here..
I wasn't asking to for an invite to this munch for any other reason than that some of my friends from the chatroom had asked me if I would like to go..
but, since I seem to cause so much offence, in whichever way you want to take what I say, I will simply say this...
The welcome I had when I first joined the chatroom was one thing.. the way people are on this forum is something entirely different, and to be honest, I dont think that I would want to meet people like you...
And I know that I will probably get banned for this, but really, right now, I care not..
I was here for my friends, everyone else, is incidental.
Quote by Ceryndrion
I am just going to say one last thing here..
I wasn't asking to for an invite to this munch for any other reason than that some of my friends from the chatroom had asked me if I would like to go..
but, since I seem to cause so much offence, in whichever way you want to take what I say, I will simply say this...
The welcome I had when I first joined the chatroom was one thing.. the way people are on this forum is something entirely different, and to be honest, I dont think that I would want to meet people like you...
And I know that I will probably get banned for this, but really, right now, I care not..
I was here for my friends, everyone else, is incidental.

I don't think your get banned for speaking your mind.....so long as you don't start insulting people.....but my opinion of you is your are a newbie and also a little pushy as i have noticed on other munch threads,you seem to get very touchy when explained very nicely of course,why you cannot come to a certain munch,also none of your chatroom friends have come forward to vouch for you??
Oh got to have my say lol
I think swinging is very much a catch 22
noone wants to meet new people and noone want to meet u if u have never met so as a new person it is very hard 2 get that first meet, personally i think munches are ideal for new people but again noone wants u if u have never met dunno
i have spoken to Ceryndrion many time in the chat room, and he has always seemed a polite guy, but can't say i can vouch for him as i have never met him
so what are you to do?
I think I'll put in my two penneth worth here.....
I don't think its a question of the fact that Newbies haven't met anyone, it's how much they have posted and gotten themselves known either on here or the Chatroom.....if they are not known then why would they want to come to a Munch, there would be no point because they wouldn't know anybody.
BTW Marcuso and Midlandsman....put me down as a Definite for this event now as (thanks to a great friend) I have transport to and from the venue......
Quote by DreamerHelen
if they are not known then why would they want to come to a Munch, there would be no point because they wouldn't know anybody.

i thought the whole point of a munch was to meet new people and get yourself known as genuine?
Quote by naughtynymphos1
if they are not known then why would they want to come to a Munch, there would be no point because they wouldn't know anybody.

i thought the whole point of a munch was to meet new people and get yourself known as genuine?
My point precisely! .... oh well..... nevermind
Ditto lol
Maybe I'll just hang around different bars and if anyone here ses me you can drag me in biggrin
Also if anyone in burton wants a drink I'm going to town tomorrow daytime just pm me. cool
I understand the cautiousness and it is frustraiting but getting all worked up gets you nowhere. I'm off to watch more DS9.
Quote by Dawn_Mids
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/terminology/munch.html

A Munch is open to all - couples, singles, Gay, Bi, CDs, etc., there are no limits. The exception to this is the brand new newbie, i.e. those who have just joined the site or have not been an active participant. This is only to prevent gawpers, journalists and those who are just TOO curious. Remember, if you are keen to attend a Munch and meet other swingers, but are considered too new for this one, join in and keep posting because there'll be another Munch coming along shortly.
What that boils down to is that we can all follow munch guidelines but the munch organiser can not and will not be forced into inviting anyone they do not feel comfortable with. That usually turns out to be a newbie.
Even if there is not a cut off date, I think we can all use our common sense and allow organisers to determine what a newbie is.
Maybe the munch organisers here are a little more careful with Ceryndrion due to the fact he made a poor attempt to get himself on to the Notts Much guest list after it was closed rolleyes
Quote by da69ve
also none of your chatroom friends have come forward to vouch for you??

I will jump to his defense here da69ve.......I did have a PM off one of his chat friends, but had already sent him a PM saying that I could not add him to this munch.
Ceryndrion.........I am more than happy to meet you for a few beers or a coffee and a chat the next time I'm in Nottingham (which is about 3 times a week). That doesn't mean to say I am going to add you to the invite list for this munch, but I will definitely consider you for future parties/munches.
Quote by DreamerHelen
Marcuso and Midlandsman....put me down as a Definite for this event now as (thanks to a great friend) I have transport to and from the venue......

I had every faith in you making this one sweetheart
Quote by CuddlySimon
Ditto lol
Maybe I'll just hang around different bars and if anyone here ses me you can drag me in biggrin

I'll say the same to you as I have said above Simon.
I am more than happy to meet you for a beer or a coffee and a chat. As it happens, I am due in Burton after 6pm tomorrow, but I can always make it there earlier. Let me know before lunchtime if you want to meet up and I'll have a coffee and a chat with you. All I will say is........please don't try to "crash" one of the parties/munches that are on here as that is a definite "no-no" and will only get you a bad name
NOW.....can we please get back to making this munch a happy place to be.
And that was said to no-one in particular.
Take care all
Marcuso
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Hi guys, I am quite new to this site, not to the life style though. I have been on the scene for about 5 years and on AFF, DD etc, plus since I was 18 and lived in Blackpool at college I have a friend who has been into the scene for many a year, so I do have a wee bit of experience.
The one slip of advice I would give to anybody who is either new to the scene or to this site is dont be too keen. I know that sounds a bit odd, but after reading through the posts, I am in Burton 3-7 nights a week, I would love to go to this Munch, but.....and here is the but, I know of, but dont know personaly, 1 person who will be there. I have PM,ed them just to say Hi and let them know I cant be verified by anybody else, but wouldnt expect them to verify me as they dont know me personally, but I was happy to introduce myself in the hope that I might be able to go to the next one and they might be able to vouch for me next time.
To all newbies out there, please dont make the mistake I made in my early days which was to think this Munch is the be all and end all, just because it is in your area.
I have found over the years that the friends you make in this kind of lifestyle might seem a little odd to most vanilla people, but you can see them years down the line and still sit and chat like you saw each other yesterday.
I hope that some of you guys who have been on this site for some time might be able to back me up on this.......this is what I have found anyway.
:taz:
Obviously alot has happened while i was at work and to be honest in no way does it make me happy.
I have spoken with Ceryndrion on many occasions in the chatroom and personally had every faith that this COULD be his first munch and that he would behave appropriately. NN has also said he has behaved himself in the chatroom, and on every occasion i have been in there with him he has.
I never got chance to speak to Marcuso yesterday to discuss Ceryndrion's request. Cerydrion has been a member of the chatroom longer than he has been a member of the forum and it was ME who said he should make the request officially on the thread so his name could be added to the newbies list.
This munch is being organised by Marcuso and myself and i believed that we had the final say in who attends (as per the rules) and is not for debate or arguement by other members, or as im sorry to say as appears to be happening here in this munch thread other members intimidating newbies.
Every newbie has the right to request consideration for attending a munch and should in no way feel that they shouldn't. The munch terminology states that a munch is where NEWBIES can meet other people without the fear of getting jumped on.
Any newbie is welcome to request consideration for this munch and they will be evaluated as per the rules/guidlines fairly and without prejudice from either myself or Marcuso.
End of rant. wink
marcuso and mids man, we get back from euro disney on the 15th july so could you put hornyred and myself down as possibles please. I say only possibles because of flight delays, if we dont cop for a delay then were deffo`s tho biggrin :D :D
Does that make sense ? confused :? :? :?
Midlandsman....i don't think its about imtimidating newbies,its just that when the Notts munch was taken over by Sarah certain newbies were trying to pull the wool over her eyes about why they were not on the list Ceryndrion was one of a Moderater has pointed that out on this he was told by Sarah in a nice way of course that he couldn't go because of the cut off date he then threw his toys out of his in anyway was anyone nasty to him....but if you check his sig you will see he has blasted people in the forums has tossers now!
Update...Ceryndrion has since removed the bit about the tossers!
Yes, I am devious and underhanded and scheming and plotting and everything else..
and I didn't throw my toys out of the pram or anything like that.. and nor did I attempt to pull the wool over anybodies eyes..
though it does appear that some people have an inability to understand any form of humour..
and I tell you.. if I were a true newbie.. I would be seriously put off by the amount of hostility that some people show towards anyone who makes even the slightest error in the way they word things..
now as Midlandsman has said, let this thread get back onto it's original course, and leave decisions to those who are supposed to be making them..
OK....
Have been away for the whole weekend.... I am just about to go to bed, but this has really irked me a bit. I've read a few of the replies at the begining, and the end, so sorry if I am repeating what peole have said.
IMO, ceryndrion is an extremely nice guy, completely polite in the chatroom. I know he has been in the chat room for a while now, as I have sat through the night talking to him, when the room is empty.
I was one of those who said to him that he should ask to go on the list for Nottm. He is an SH member but not active in the forum until recently. I will be travelling south during the next week and have planned to stop off and say hi to ceryndrion. Which is very unusual for me.
There may have been a mix up, or a whatever. But if anyone is to blame for that, it's me. I asked him to submit his name to the organiser of the Nottm munch when i saw a post saying sarah was asking for more people to attend, cut off date 30/04, and ceryndrion fulfilled that criteria, as far as I am aware. It's sarah's right to knock it back, no problem with that. But ceryndrion seems to have stated his case fairly enough, and been decent enough not to even name names when saying "people in the chat-room" have said ask to go.... I feel embarressed I haven't seent these posts until this late in the day... as i would have said these things earlier.
How does someone break that catch22? It's a purely social event. And yes there are rules. But not every single fella is an idiot, and you DO have to pm the organisers of the munches to ask.( Unless there is a general invite sent out that I am excluded from. ) I have seen it time and time again, people wondering how to get an invite to a munch. When you explain that you have to ask for an invite, it seems obvious. Nobody comes on here with a fully formed knowledge of these things, i certainly didn't.
Anyhows, way past my bedtime. I hope you can re-read what ceryndrion has written, becuase it doesn't strike me as someone being awkward, just a bit confused as to how it works and tyring NOT to annoy people, but having enough self respect and respect for others to bother to post a cogent reply.
I want to thank all for their comments so far on this thread, but for now without hoping offend anyone i request if anyone would like to take this topic forward that they post a new thread in the cafe.
MM