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Sex God
I dont know who dreamt it up but I'd like to give em a kick in the bollocks 
Quote by Kaznkev
welcome the the world of dolites
u know those scum who bleed the country dry,
quite frankly he s not meant to survive,the powers that be dont care and couldnt imagine what life is like on benifits.
So long as there expenses are paid the poor can go...
Yep, I have had times of unemployment and the help you get is next to nothing.
Unfortunately - when your unemployed you have to change your lifestyle, drastically. Ya certainly learn about budgeting the hard way!
The money you get per week is meant to encourage you back into employment quickly. It can also be a quick way to spiral into debt if you don't live within your means...
It doesn't even cover your heating and lecci in the winter....
Hope he finds something else quickly
The money you get per week is meant to encourage you back into employment quickly. It can also be a quick way to spiral into debt if you don't live within your means...
It doesn't even cover your heating and lecci in the winter....
Hope he finds something else quickly
Sex God
Quote by anais
It doesn't even cover your heating and lecci in the winter....
My heating and electric are over £100 per month
Gas service contract £15
Home insurances £25
Water £27
BT £28
TV license £14
There's over £200 per month...
Then I have to factor in eating and try to find something left to pay towards the car (its nowhere near the proper payment but I have to pay them something untill I eventually get back on my feet)...
Not much economising can be done there......As it is my main source of food is Pate on toast as its cheap (65p for pate and 35p for a crappy loaf) ....
Its demoralising is what it is....
Its designed to demoralise and the people who work in the benefit offices are no better....
They are supposed to tell you about everything you are elligable to claim and help you do so.....
They dont
They rely on you not being clued up and send you away having not claimed for everything you are entitled to......
The whole system stinks and the shitbags who dream up these payments need to come and live the life for a cpl of months and see how difficult it is.....
Sexpert
Last year i had to have an operation on my leg (not going into details)and was off work for 6 weeks. The forms I had to fill in were unbelievable, the outcome being I could only claim incapacity benefit to the grand total of £118:06. This was to cover the WHOLE of the 6 weeks. If I hadn't needed the money I would have told them where to shove it.
It gets right up my nose the fact that these "scummers" have never worked, dont intend to work and know how to screw the system for every last penny.
It gets right up my nose the fact that these "scummers" have never worked, dont intend to work and know how to screw the system for every last penny.
Quote by travlinmanukok
My best mate has just been told ta ta by his company of 25 years :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
nothing new in todays climate but where do they get the figure a week to live on ???????????
I put more than that in my van in diesel :shock:
the mind boggles :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:
trav..
This is happening everywhere.
25 years of loyal service to get that paltry ammount is a disgrace.
I presume though he would have got some kind of redundancy payment?
It's a shit time out there for lots of people who have worked hard all their lives, and then get treated like crap.....disgraceful.
This is happening everywhere.
25 years of loyal service to get that paltry ammount is a disgrace.
I presume though he would have got some kind of redundancy payment?
It's a shit time out there for lots of people who have worked hard all their lives, and then get treated like crap.....disgraceful.
25 years of loyal service to get that paltry ammount is a disgrace.
I presume though he would have got some kind of redundancy payment?
It's a shit time out there for lots of people who have worked hard all their lives, and then get treated like crap.....disgraceful.
Sex God
Quote by travlinmanukok
told me the application for the social is 54 pages :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
Trav, your friend may not be claiming Jobseekers Allowance as you no longer are required to fill in any forms at all, so it may be worth checking he has claimed the right thing. The claims are now taken over the phone and the operator or whatever they are called these days, keys it directly into the computer and then your friend would just have to prove his identity when he goes into the office.
If he is a bit concerned or thinks he may not be receing what he is entitiled to, ask him to check or go along and have a chat with his local Citizens Advise.
Quote by r4jane
erm....I understand that jobseekers allowance is an extra, not including the dole, but on top of it. Never having drawn any benefits then I cannot talk from experience so can stand to be corrected.
Jobseekers Allowance is the new name for dole, and replaced the old unemployment benefit back in 1997 (taken from the workfare policies implemented in the USA). Unfortunately it is not on top of anything, but a person can claim 2 elements, one is based on contributions and the other is an income based and is means tested.
... and before anyone asks, no I can take your claim, but I do know quite a bit about it, as I have been doing a lot of studying on welfare to work policies in the uk for my assignment at Uni, so dont send your claim forms to me
Unfortunately it is not on top of anything, but a person "can claim 2 elements", one is based on contributions and the other is an income based and is means tested.
erm excuse my ignorance but doesn't the above statement mean that jobseekers is paid on top of income support? Then housing support and council tax support and free school meals etc. I have heard of cash sums being paid for furniture,new appliances etc.
Having said that I do sympathise with anyone losing thier job but some do seem to live better by not working.
The year before I retired, the guy next door to me, who as far as I am aware never worked was actually getting £3 per month less than me and I had to work away from home living in digs, while he never had to get out of bed. I saw his benefit slip when he asked me to sign a form to say he wasn't working. How sick did I feel knowing I was working for £3 per month. I had to pay tax N.I. and pension which reduced my income, he didn't. No doubt we both get the same pension when we retired.
erm excuse my ignorance but doesn't the above statement mean that jobseekers is paid on top of income support? Then housing support and council tax support and free school meals etc. I have heard of cash sums being paid for furniture,new appliances etc.
Having said that I do sympathise with anyone losing thier job but some do seem to live better by not working.
The year before I retired, the guy next door to me, who as far as I am aware never worked was actually getting £3 per month less than me and I had to work away from home living in digs, while he never had to get out of bed. I saw his benefit slip when he asked me to sign a form to say he wasn't working. How sick did I feel knowing I was working for £3 per month. I had to pay tax N.I. and pension which reduced my income, he didn't. No doubt we both get the same pension when we retired.
Sex God
Quote by r4jane
erm excuse my ignorance but doesn't the above statement mean that jobseekers is paid on top of income support? Then housing support and council tax support and free school meals etc. I have heard of cash sums being paid for furniture,new appliances etc.
Income support, which is presently being phased out, is paid to people who are unable to work, Jobseekers Allowance is paid to people who should be available and actively seeking work. Items you mention such as council tax and housing benefit, are means tested beenfits and are not dependant on the person being unemployed (people on low incomes can also claim these direct from their local authority). The other things you refer to are Crisis Loans and are repayable.
Sex God
You think being made redundant is bad?
At my company they have a thing called 2p (or some such stupid name).
They sack you, force you to take the same job but at an agency and you lose ALL YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE.
They don't call it sacking - but that's what it is.
They say your terms and conditions are transferred - but they aren't - you lose all your years of service.
And the agency has ZERO reposnibility to continue your employment. You can be out of work completely in a couple of months.
If a company wants to make 100+ people redundant they have to go through a whole consultation process. Minwe also tries to place you elsewhere in the company.
But this 2p'ing is criminal and sidesteps the whole protection you get from a redundancy process.
At my company they have a thing called 2p (or some such stupid name).
They sack you, force you to take the same job but at an agency and you lose ALL YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE.
They don't call it sacking - but that's what it is.
They say your terms and conditions are transferred - but they aren't - you lose all your years of service.
And the agency has ZERO reposnibility to continue your employment. You can be out of work completely in a couple of months.
If a company wants to make 100+ people redundant they have to go through a whole consultation process. Minwe also tries to place you elsewhere in the company.
But this 2p'ing is criminal and sidesteps the whole protection you get from a redundancy process.
I seem to remember my old company "outsourced" several jobs where the same people they had as employees previously were now on "contract" through an agency. They were promised that nothing would change, but one year down the line they were all worse off. Working longer shifts for less money and less people I believe. This was possible because of our "opt out" from the EU working directive. It also meant the company didn't have to pay redundancy.
Master of Sex
Quote by foxylady2209
You think being made redundant is bad?
At my company they have a thing called 2p (or some such stupid name).
They sack you, force you to take the same job but at an agency and you lose ALL YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE.
They don't call it sacking - but that's what it is.
They say your terms and conditions are transferred - but they aren't - you lose all your years of service.
And the agency has ZERO reposnibility to continue your employment. You can be out of work completely in a couple of months.
If a company wants to make 100+ people redundant they have to go through a whole consultation process. Minwe also tries to place you elsewhere in the company.
But this 2p'ing is criminal and sidesteps the whole protection you get from a redundancy process.
Yep - this is known as TUPE (transfer under present employment) and we've experienced it first hand. Pom's employment was transferred to a new company that bought out his old one and, surprise, surprise ... once it had all taken place, he was given the boot because they had enough engineers of their own. But because, under TUPE he had no length of service, he didn't get a penny in redundancy.
He managed to find a new job a couple of years ago but now we're in a situation where he's just had major surgery and will be off work for up to 9 months. His new company only paid sick pay for 2 weeks so we're now down to the pathetic sum you get on SSP and my meagre wage which isn't even enough to cover the bills. I somehow think we won't be entitled to any help whatsoever because, as always, honest hard working people fall through the welfare gaps whilst long term 'career' benefit claimants seem to do very nicely thank you courtesy of our taxes.
I for one am fed up being shafted by big business and the government
I was promoted for times in six months, on each occasion given a nice pay rise. The final promotion put me on alternating (days and nights) shifts, with the responsibility of training new staff to do all the different jobs that I had learned over the years. I trained up six members of staff, three for days and three for nights. Then I was made redundant. They no longer needed a training supervisor, so I was not replaced. They did absolutely everything by the book, I did check.
So I am unemployed, which now the wife has left me with the kids is probably just as well. Also I used my redundancy money to pay for a home learning course that will firstly see me A+ certified as a computer maintenance technician and then go on to do another course on networking.
I will be self employed before this time next year, and hopefully will never have to trust another company to employ me full time ever again.
So I am unemployed, which now the wife has left me with the kids is probably just as well. Also I used my redundancy money to pay for a home learning course that will firstly see me A+ certified as a computer maintenance technician and then go on to do another course on networking.
I will be self employed before this time next year, and hopefully will never have to trust another company to employ me full time ever again.
Sex God
Wow I am surprised, a thread where peeps are complaining benefit isnt enough? Most of the people I talk to in day to day life complain people get too much! The basic £64 is not a lot but its normally a door to a lot of other benefits you can claim as well. A lot of people with that £64 can end up with it almost in their pocket as a disposable income as they live almost rent and bill free. Ive known plenty of folks locally whos benefit money in their pocket to spend on what they like is more than what I get left with after I pay my bills.
Perhaps some people need to learn how to play the system a bit?
Perhaps some people need to learn how to play the system a bit?
Sex God
Little or no other benefits available to a single bloke ....
Sex God
Quote by Steve
Little or no other benefits available to a single bloke ....
Council tax benefit for one. You can get that reduced just for being single you dont even have to be not working. My Mum once worked in this field so I know a bit about it. Her advice was always you walk in the door sit down and say "I want to claim for everything". Thats so many forms they wont want to deal with it so they will soon sort out anyones you are going to get
Sex God
Quote by tweeky
Little or no other benefits available to a single bloke ....
Council tax benefit for one. You can get that reduced just for being single you dont even have to be not working. My Mum once worked in this field so I know a bit about it. Her advice was always you walk in the door sit down and say "I want to claim for everything". Thats so many forms they wont want to deal with it so they will soon sort out anyones you are going to get
Thats great but it doesnt put money in my pocket which is all important right now...
At present I cant really afford to even use the heating so sit at home in a sleeping bag.....
The joy of benefits, I'n not working at the moment and with 2 children I get a week, after bills are paid and arrears on mortgage are paid (I had to wait 39 weeks to get my mortgage paid) and life insurances cos they cover the mortgage I'm left with £75 a week to buy food, buy clothes, save for birthdays/christmas. You some how just manage.
Sex God
Quote by soul-girl
The joy of benefits, I'n not working at the moment and with 2 children I get a week, after bills are paid and arrears on mortgage are paid (I had to wait 39 weeks to get my mortgage paid) and life insurances cos they cover the mortgage I'm left with £75 a week to buy food, buy clothes, save for birthdays/christmas. You some how just manage.
Around 18 months ago my money left per week was around £45 to £70 dependent on work overtime length of the month etc. So on benefits you ended up each month better of than us and thats with two of us working. This is what I was saying in my first post above. Thankfully the recession was good to us and I found a very easy way to make a fair amount of money with very little effort. In fact I always seem to do very well when the country's in the shite
I was made redundant four times in four years so I can talk from personal experience.
To make sure we as a family could survive the loss of our families sole income, I'd made sure that the mortgage and car loan were protected with redundancy cover. Without these I'm not sure we would have survivied financially.
Once I'd signed on to jobseekers allowance, our council tax became free, so did medicinal presciptions, the kids were also entitled to free school dinners meaning our food bill was dramatically reduced.
All in all, there was very little difference between my take home pay after a 50 hour week, and the total amounts being received from the various sources once I was registered as unemployed.
Sure if I were a single guy with no kids, then the minimal figures quoted would be extremely difficult to survive with.
But as others have said, nobody will gift you the benefits you are entitled for, you have to claim them.
To make sure we as a family could survive the loss of our families sole income, I'd made sure that the mortgage and car loan were protected with redundancy cover. Without these I'm not sure we would have survivied financially.
Once I'd signed on to jobseekers allowance, our council tax became free, so did medicinal presciptions, the kids were also entitled to free school dinners meaning our food bill was dramatically reduced.
All in all, there was very little difference between my take home pay after a 50 hour week, and the total amounts being received from the various sources once I was registered as unemployed.
Sure if I were a single guy with no kids, then the minimal figures quoted would be extremely difficult to survive with.
But as others have said, nobody will gift you the benefits you are entitled for, you have to claim them.
Sex God
I see what your saying Ian.....I do....
I dont have any sickness/redundancy cover as due to my medical history it is so expensive that its a none starter....
And the people who deal with your claim are advisors and as such should it not be their job to advise you on exactly what benefits you are entitled to and assist you in claiming those benefits
I have had to spend hours waiting in the CAB waiting room and countless phone calls between myself and my mortgage provider in order to find out what I am entitled to and to start the ball rolling to claim it....
As I said earlier I firmly believe they are briefed to only advise you to claim the bare minimum and hope that you take it as read that thats all you can claim....
I dont have any sickness/redundancy cover as due to my medical history it is so expensive that its a none starter....
And the people who deal with your claim are advisors and as such should it not be their job to advise you on exactly what benefits you are entitled to and assist you in claiming those benefits
I have had to spend hours waiting in the CAB waiting room and countless phone calls between myself and my mortgage provider in order to find out what I am entitled to and to start the ball rolling to claim it....
As I said earlier I firmly believe they are briefed to only advise you to claim the bare minimum and hope that you take it as read that thats all you can claim....
Sex God
Maybe this might help some.
Sex God
Thanks Sarah..
