1 week in to the smoking ban, how you coping?

10 Jul 2007

Quote by Kiss
Eh? How are they putting £4 os state benefit back in when at some time or another their smoking is likely to cost the NHS money.

Quote by solofun
Thats right but as i said the're paying for the privelage regardless of where the money comes from, unlike the person on benefits that goes in for 2 hip replacement operations.

The person that needs a hip operation is highly unlikely to have brought it upon themselves. Unlike the smoker. confused

Quote by Kiss
Also, if you Google cigarettes v's unemployment, you will stumble upon lot's of reputable research carried out by 'proper' scientific institutions (including Cambridge University) that show a link between poverty, unemployment and smoking.

Quote by solofun
Thats also right but isn't it made worses by the government capitalising on someones addiction and pocketing 83% tax from each packet, you don't see them charging drug addicts 83% tax on there methadone? every other country also sells cigarettes and don't do it yet our hospitals are a laughing stock in comparison, and if smoking is the main cause of cancers then why does the uk have one of the highest cancer rates in the world yet we're one of the smallest countries, its when you add all these facts up it doesn't make sense well not to me who is a non smoker so i can't understand how it does to a smoker.

I may smoke, albeit I've managed to cut down to 4 a day so far. But I understand some of the science, facts (not propaganda) and wouldn’t suggest that it's ok to smoke or make others (including innocent children) passive smoke just because the government charges such extortionate levies on tobacco.

Quote by solofun
Seems funny how statistics that receive any kind of funding from tobacco companies is always thrown out, yet its perfectly ok to print statistics funded by anti smoking groups isn't that double standards and hiding all the facts?

I've certainly not quoted anything from any anti-smoking lobbyists. I actually like to believe that I posses the intelligence to think for myself and weigh up any evidence on its own merits.

10 Jul 2007

you mean stories like this
And i never said you quoted anything from any anti-smoking lobbyists what i said is the research is funded by anti smoking groups which is allowed, yet tobbaco companies can't fund research or donate to it or its thrown out.

10 Jul 2007

Quote by solofun
you mean stories like this
And i never said you quoted anything from any anti-smoking lobbyists what i said is the research is funded by anti smoking groups which is allowed, yet tobbaco companies can't fund research or donate to it or its thrown out.

Anti-smoking lobbyists are trying to prevent addiction and help save lives in the long-run. Even though a some 'hard-done-by' smokers seem to think people who want to ban smoking are just doing it because they have nothing better to do. rolleyes

Any research put out by a tobbaco company would be purely to boost their own sales. Hardly ethical/reliable.
If anyone can tell me anything, anything at all, genuinely good/positive about tobbaco and smoking I'll gladly listen.

10 Jul 2007

I hope your not suggesting I think smoking isn't bad for you, anything but, what I said was its overly exaggerated and all we hear are one sided facts, yes I agree with banning tobacco, but exactly that, not just pubs and clubs and enclosed spaces but the whole of the UK, then it won’t be in peoples faces who are trying to quit every time they enter a shop doorway, if you think this ban was for health reasons then why haven’t they banned it completely? Surely everyone’s health is important and not just non-smokers, what makes it worse is the governments main concern seems to be the revenue from the tobacco rather than health issues. If they were one bit interested in peoples health they would ban it outright rather than trying to divide the population while still reaping the rewards, now that is FACT whether you agree with it or not.

10 Jul 2007

i remember when smoking in cinemas was allowed,but it has been banned for years now,it hasn't effected the vast crowds that go to the cinema each week,in the long term it won't effect pubs,clubs and restaurants it will just become the norm and life will go on!

10 Jul 2007

a local fire today in a small building project had absolutely nothing to do with me, nor my but! :smoke:
though I did pass by watching the Brigades valliant efforts to douse the blaze, whilst the builders took the opportunity to light-up! :shock:
lp

10 Jul 2007

I have to smile to myself when I see that the anti-smoking brigade and all other anti-something groups are only trying to protect our health. They may be "trying" but all they achieve is reduce our freedoms of choice.
So lets see what is bad in the world today:
1) Smoking - Carcinegenic, yep ban it
2) Unleaded fuel - Carcinegenic, yep ban it
3) Diesel particulates - Can cause asthma, yep ban it
4) Coal fired power stations - Can cause asthma, yep ban it
5) Salt - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
6) Chocolate - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
7) Alcohol - Causes heart disease and related to cancer of the throat, yep ban it
8) Fatty foods - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
Well, what do we have left? Ah feck it.......I'll impose a self ban and go live in a hole covered by bracken and when I peg out at 70.......I'll be pissed off that I have died of nothing lol

11 Jul 2007

Quote by Dave__Notts
I have to smile to myself when I see that the anti-smoking brigade and all other anti-something groups are only trying to protect our health. They may be "trying" but all they achieve is reduce our freedoms of choice.
So lets see what is bad in the world today:
1) Smoking - Carcinegenic, yep ban it
2) Unleaded fuel - Carcinegenic, yep ban it
3) Diesel particulates - Can cause asthma, yep ban it
4) Coal fired power stations - Can cause asthma, yep ban it
5) Salt - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
6) Chocolate - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
7) Alcohol - Causes heart disease and related to cancer of the throat, yep ban it
8) Fatty foods - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
Well, what do we have left? Ah feck it.......I'll impose a self ban and go live in a hole covered by bracken and when I peg out at 70.......I'll be pissed off that I have died of nothing

Removing the smokers freedom of choice? What about the non-smokers freedom of choice not to passive smoke? If a smoker wants to harm themselves they are welcome to go ahead by all means - they just have no right to inflict it upon other people.
As for chocolate, fatty foods and the like - they make the person consuming them ill - they don't give children/adults/strangers cancer.

11 Jul 2007

Quote by Freckledbird

well for every £5 they spend on cigarettes there putting £4 back in,

Why do cigarette manufacturers bother then? Are you saying they only get £1 for every packet of cigarettes they sell?
Freckle, I don't know for certain how much manufacturers make but I used to live in Gibraltar and cigs there cost 95p for 20 because it was duty free!! God, I loved living there lol

I am probably going to annoy the smokers but in a way, I am glad pubs/clubs are non smoking now. Although I smoke, alot, I do realistically want and need to give up and if you ask alot of people that have given up, being in a pub/club was a hard test of their willpower. WHEN I give up, at least I won't feel I have to avoid going out because of temptation.

11 Jul 2007

Quote by Kiss
I have to smile to myself when I see that the anti-smoking brigade and all other anti-something groups are only trying to protect our health. They may be "trying" but all they achieve is reduce our freedoms of choice.
So lets see what is bad in the world today:
1) Smoking - Carcinegenic, yep ban it
2) Unleaded fuel - Carcinegenic, yep ban it
3) Diesel particulates - Can cause asthma, yep ban it
4) Coal fired power stations - Can cause asthma, yep ban it
5) Salt - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
6) Chocolate - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
7) Alcohol - Causes heart disease and related to cancer of the throat, yep ban it
8) Fatty foods - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
Well, what do we have left? Ah feck it.......I'll impose a self ban and go live in a hole covered by bracken and when I peg out at 70.......I'll be pissed off that I have died of nothing

Removing the smokers freedom of choice? What about the non-smokers freedom of choice not to passive smoke? If a smoker wants to harm themselves they are welcome to go ahead by all means - they just have no right to inflict it upon other people.
As for chocolate, fatty foods and the like - they make the person consuming them ill - they don't give children/adults/strangers cancer. :thumbup: :rose:

11 Jul 2007

Quote by Dave__Notts
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5) Salt - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
.......
8) Fatty foods - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
Well, what do we have left? Ah feck it.......I'll impose a self ban and go live in a hole covered by bracken and when I peg out at 70.......I'll be pissed off that I have died of nothing

No salt - you drop dead. You really want to ban it?
No fatty food - you could get you energy from sugar and protein.
Somethings we need, in the right quantity. Somethings we do not need.

11 Jul 2007

Well i live in a small village with 1 pub thats now empty most nights as 80% smoke and landlord says profits are down as every ones
i smoke but wish i didnt but can see the point in banning it but alot off pubs may close sad

PS any hypnotists about.

11 Jul 2007

This has got really petty now. It was quite obvious what Dave_Notts was saying but it hard to picked apart ffs. rolleyes

I've tried 4 times to reply to this thread again but I'm leaving well alone now 'cos it's diabolical how bloody pedantic and argumentative people are.
Hope you're all safe and well in your ivory towers.

11 Jul 2007

Quote by Marya_Northeast
This has got really petty now. It was quite obvious what Dave_Notts was saying but it hard to picked apart ffs.
Hope you're all safe and well in your ivory towers.

Would they be non-smoking ivory towers then? lol

Sorry Marya kiss

11 Jul 2007

Quote by Mr-Powers
i remember when smoking in cinemas was allowed,but it has been banned for years now,it hasn't effected the vast crowds that go to the cinema each week,in the long term it won't effect pubs,clubs and restaurants it will just become the norm and life will go on!

:thumbup:
Ok doke, can I ask all the smokers out there a question?
If you had the choice, going back to the day you started smoking, would you do it again?
Yes, you may enjoy it now, it may be relaxing, destressing,habit etc, but would you actually want to become a smoker if it wasn't for the addiction?
I imagine there will be some yes and some saying no.
Also, thinking back to those first few cigarrettes- did anyone actually enjoy them? Why did you start? Did anyone not cough and splutter and feel minging after the first one?
Now, for those of you who have kids, would you be happy for them to turn round on their 16th birthday and say they are going to start smoking with a 20 a day habit.
Would you be happy with that?
I want to find out why people would say yes they wouldn't change the fact that they started smoking and those that say yes, they would be happy for their 16yr old to start.
I can't answer cos I don;t smoke, but Den is nearly a 40 a day now.
Although he enjoys smoking, he would quite happily never have started in the first place, so he never got addicted.
Just thought it might help the pro/anti smokers see each others points of view as to why they smoke/versus why they don't think smoking should be imposed on them!
M xx

11 Jul 2007

Interesting thread lol
I didn't realise people are still naive enough to believe the ban had anything to do with health matters. It was banned, like a lot of things that have been so far and yet to come, because there is a number of Government lobbyists out there trying to get things banned to justify their own existence.
I think, therefore I ban. lol
we don't like it, we don't do do it, therefore you can't do it either.

11 Jul 2007

Quote by Jaq__kryps
Interesting thread lol
I didn't realise people are still naive enough to believe the ban had anything to do with health matters. It was banned, like a lot of things that have been so far and yet to come, because there is a number of Government lobbyists out there trying to get things banned to justify their own existence.
I think, therefore I ban. lol
we don't like it, we don't do do it, therefore you can't do it either.

Matters not what the politics are, it's still a ban.

11 Jul 2007

Yes, I naively confused

thought that it was to do with health -
But I'm delighted anyway. :bounce:

11 Jul 2007

Quote by Freckledbird
Interesting thread lol
I didn't realise people are still naive enough to believe the ban had anything to do with health matters. It was banned, like a lot of things that have been so far and yet to come, because there is a number of Government lobbyists out there trying to get things banned to justify their own existence.
I think, therefore I ban. lol
we don't like it, we don't do do it, therefore you can't do it either.

Matters not what the politics are, it's still a ban.
Yeps a ban is a ban but that's what this country likes doing. we don't like it so ban it.
a few things lobbyists want to ban as soon as
Fishing
Boxing
Motorsport
Naturist beaches
alcohol
anything that involves the slightest risk
condoms
abortion
water bikes
model aircraft
I could go on, but then a ban is just a ban eh

11 Jul 2007

Quote by Jaq__kryps
Interesting thread lol
I didn't realise people are still naive enough to believe the ban had anything to do with health matters. It was banned, like a lot of things that have been so far and yet to come, because there is a number of Government lobbyists out there trying to get things banned to justify their own existence.
I think, therefore I ban. lol
we don't like it, we don't do do it, therefore you can't do it either.

Matters not what the politics are, it's still a ban.
Yeps a ban is a ban but that's what this country likes doing. we don't like it so ban it.
a few things lobbyists want to ban as soon as
Fishing
Boxing
Motorsport
Naturist beaches
alcohol
anything that involves the slightest risk
condoms
abortion
water bikes
model aircraft
I could go on, but then a ban is just a ban eh
Condoms??....why condoms?

11 Jul 2007

Quote by Mr-Powers
Interesting thread lol
I didn't realise people are still naive enough to believe the ban had anything to do with health matters. It was banned, like a lot of things that have been so far and yet to come, because there is a number of Government lobbyists out there trying to get things banned to justify their own existence.
I think, therefore I ban. lol
we don't like it, we don't do do it, therefore you can't do it either.

Matters not what the politics are, it's still a ban.
Yeps a ban is a ban but that's what this country likes doing. we don't like it so ban it.
a few things lobbyists want to ban as soon as
Fishing
Boxing
Motorsport
Naturist beaches
alcohol
anything that involves the slightest risk
condoms
abortion
water bikes
model aircraft
I could go on, but then a ban is just a ban eh
Condoms??....why condoms?
Dunno, ask the Catholics and other religous organisations

11 Jul 2007

Quote by Jaq__kryps
Interesting thread lol
I didn't realise people are still naive enough to believe the ban had anything to do with health matters. It was banned, like a lot of things that have been so far and yet to come, because there is a number of Government lobbyists out there trying to get things banned to justify their own existence.
I think, therefore I ban. lol
we don't like it, we don't do do it, therefore you can't do it either.

Matters not what the politics are, it's still a ban.
Yeps a ban is a ban but that's what this country likes doing. we don't like it so ban it.
a few things lobbyists want to ban as soon as
Fishing
Boxing
Motorsport
Naturist beaches
alcohol
anything that involves the slightest risk
condoms
abortion
water bikes
model aircraft
I could go on, but then a ban is just a ban eh
Condoms??....why condoms?
Dunno, ask the Catholics and other religous organisations
so who wants to ban model aircrafts?

11 Jul 2007

Dartford Borough council already have on heathland, but there is an active campaign by the parents of a child killed by one to ban it completely

11 Jul 2007

Quote by Jaq__kryps
I could go on, but then a ban is just a ban eh

Yep, and it would also be completely boring.

11 Jul 2007

Quote by Jaq__kryps
Dartford Borough council already have on heathland, but there is an active campaign by the parents of a child killed by one to ban it completely

Blimey...well lets ban driving,riding bikes,flying in aeroplanes,sailing,swimming,eating anything at all....someone has died resulting in these activities!

11 Jul 2007

Quote by londoncouple69
Dartford Borough council already have on heathland, but there is an active campaign by the parents of a child killed by one to ban it completely

Blimey...well lets ban driving,riding bikes,flying in aeroplanes,sailing,swimming,eating anything at all....someone has died resulting in these activities!
who says people are not out there trying to do just that lol

11 Jul 2007

Quote by Kiss
I have to smile to myself when I see that the anti-smoking brigade and all other anti-something groups are only trying to protect our health. They may be "trying" but all they achieve is reduce our freedoms of choice.
So lets see what is bad in the world today:
1) Smoking - Carcinegenic, yep ban it
2) Unleaded fuel - Carcinegenic, yep ban it
3) Diesel particulates - Can cause asthma, yep ban it
4) Coal fired power stations - Can cause asthma, yep ban it
5) Salt - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
6) Chocolate - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
7) Alcohol - Causes heart disease and related to cancer of the throat, yep ban it
8) Fatty foods - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
Well, what do we have left? Ah feck it.......I'll impose a self ban and go live in a hole covered by bracken and when I peg out at 70.......I'll be pissed off that I have died of nothing

Removing the smokers freedom of choice? See items 2, 3 & 4 belowWhat about the non-smokers freedom of choice not to passive smoke? See items 2, 3 & 4 belowIf a smoker wants to harm themselves they are welcome to go ahead by all means - they just have no right to inflict it upon other peopleSee items 2, 3 & 4 below.
As for chocolate, fatty foods and the like - they make the person consuming them ill - they don't give children/adults/strangers cancer. I remember a counter argument of paying for the NHS etc......is this double standards. Also these types of foods lead to heart disease so I would say it is pretty important. Cancer or heart attack are both unpleasant for the individual concerned. I have yet to see any evidence on children contracting cancer from cigarettes. Maybe as adults after being exposed as children.......but by the time they are adults they would have been exposed to a lot of other "nasties" in this world that are also carcinegenic. This is why cigarette packets say the individual has "an increased risk" or "may" or "could" but not "will".
2) Unleaded fuel - Carcinegenic, yep ban it
3) Diesel particulates - Can cause asthma, yep ban it
4) Coal fired power stations - Can cause asthma, yep ban it
Oops did you miss these ones or did they not fit your argument rolleyes

Dave_Notts

11 Jul 2007

Quote by
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5) Salt - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
.......
8) Fatty foods - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
Well, what do we have left? Ah feck it.......I'll impose a self ban and go live in a hole covered by bracken and when I peg out at 70.......I'll be pissed off that I have died of nothing

No salt - you drop dead. You really want to ban it?
No fatty food - you could get you energy from sugar and protein.
Somethings we need, in the right quantity. Somethings we do not need.
Salt is already in food. You do not need to add extra. So you wouldn't die.
Ditto for essential fats.
Dave_Notts

11 Jul 2007

Quote by Kiss
I have to smile to myself when I see that the anti-smoking brigade and all other anti-something groups are only trying to protect our health. They may be "trying" but all they achieve is reduce our freedoms of choice.
So lets see what is bad in the world today:
1) Smoking - Carcinegenic, yep ban it
2) Unleaded fuel - Carcinegenic, yep ban it
3) Diesel particulates - Can cause asthma, yep ban it
4) Coal fired power stations - Can cause asthma, yep ban it
5) Salt - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
6) Chocolate - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
7) Alcohol - Causes heart disease and related to cancer of the throat, yep ban it
8) Fatty foods - Causes heart disease, yep ban it
Well, what do we have left? Ah feck it.......I'll impose a self ban and go live in a hole covered by bracken and when I peg out at 70.......I'll be pissed off that I have died of nothing

Removing the smokers freedom of choice? What about the non-smokers freedom of choice not to passive smoke? If a smoker wants to harm themselves they are welcome to go ahead by all means - they just have no right to inflict it upon other people.
As for chocolate, fatty foods and the like - they make the person consuming them ill - they don't give children/adults/strangers cancer.
They can go to a place that chooses not to allow smoking...

12 Jul 2007

O the nerve of some non-smokers...
why didn't they just say in the first place, we want it banned cause it's smelly and we don't like being smelly. that way we could have non-smoking bars and smoking bars.
my local club has had 2 separate bars for years, one smoking , one non-smoking. guess what, the non smoking bar was barely ever used. and by barely , i think somebody used it once.
If it was health reasons the government wouldn't of had to suppress health reports from independent sources that the health issue was between none and insignificant. As for passive smoking causing Cancer ya having a laugh ain't ya.