I too am coping well and havnt noticed it change my life either, we have had the ban at work since last year and to be honest I only smoke on my breaks which in my mind its my time and I can do what the heck I want with it, also we dont really go out that much to pubs although I went to the pub on saturday afternoon and had to go out for a smoke but it didnt really bother me but I am used to it as we smoke outside at home.
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1 week in to the smoking ban, how you coping?
Smoking around people who don't smoke is gross IMHO. (Yes I do smoke before anyone jumps on me - but I try hard not to smoke around others.)
Also dropping litter, which includes foam cigarette ends is also gross IMHO.
Nobody will ever convince me that the non-littering (of fag ends) and non-poluting section of our community's rights are less important than the smokers.
I don't care about the tax revenue - I do care however about people that I love who don't smoke that were being forced to smoke passively.
Smokers have no more rights to be in a pub/club than a non-smoker. Being forced to smoke outside isn't exactly bad for you - unlike passive smoking.
Also dropping litter, which includes foam cigarette ends is also gross IMHO.
Nobody will ever convince me that the non-littering (of fag ends) and non-poluting section of our community's rights are less important than the smokers.
I don't care about the tax revenue - I do care however about people that I love who don't smoke that were being forced to smoke passively.
Smokers have no more rights to be in a pub/club than a non-smoker. Being forced to smoke outside isn't exactly bad for you - unlike passive smoking.
Sex God
Excellent post Kiss :thumbup:
A big difference for me was a visit to a nightclub and realising our clothes didn't smell (well not of smoke anyway!) BUT mainly our eyes (few of us are contact lens wearers). There was no sore, itchy red eyes associated with smokey atmosheres.
The other thing I didn't like was smoking in restaurants whilst eating. Drinking in pubs was fine becase it's was just part of the pub culture but with food I really didn't like it.
pink x
A big difference for me was a visit to a nightclub and realising our clothes didn't smell (well not of smoke anyway!) BUT mainly our eyes (few of us are contact lens wearers). There was no sore, itchy red eyes associated with smokey atmosheres.
The other thing I didn't like was smoking in restaurants whilst eating. Drinking in pubs was fine becase it's was just part of the pub culture but with food I really didn't like it.
pink x
Sex God
Quote by Kiss
Smokers have no more rights to be in a pub/club than a non-smoker.
And surely by the same token non smokers have no more rights then either
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Smokers have no more rights to be in a pub/club than a non-smoker.
And surely by the same token non smokers have no more rights then either
I happen to disagree. I think if a smoker chooses to inhale toxic fumes into their body they don't have the right to force it onto anyone else.
Sex God
Quote by Kiss
Smokers have no more rights to be in a pub/club than a non-smoker.
And surely by the same token non smokers have no more rights then either
I happen to disagree. I think if a smoker chooses to inhale toxic fumes into their body they don't have the right to force it onto anyone else.
I disagree with your disagreement..
I am a smoker and a considerate one at that hell...If we have visitors to my house I go outside to smoke if they are non smokers...
I just feel to ban people from doing something which is not illegal is totally out of order..
If smoking/passive smoking was such an evil monster why is it not outlawed completely :dunno:
Same as drink driving....Have no limit for alcohol in the blood and make it illegal to have any alcohol in the blood....
But there is too much revenue to be earned from fines and increased insurance policies to be made...
I went out with some friends last night. Being the only smoker I had to go outside on my own to have a quick one 
I didnt mind that so much but I did notice a big difference in the place we were in. The air was so fresh and you could actually see the person infront of you without the big cloud of smoke in the way.
The thing that I did notice too was how disgusting I smelt on my way back in (from the fag)
It might be time to think about giving up.
Louise xx
I didnt mind that so much but I did notice a big difference in the place we were in. The air was so fresh and you could actually see the person infront of you without the big cloud of smoke in the way. The thing that I did notice too was how disgusting I smelt on my way back in (from the fag)
It might be time to think about giving up.
Louise xx
Quote by Mallock2006
Smokers have no more rights to be in a pub/club than a non-smoker.
And surely by the same token non smokers have no more rights then either
I happen to disagree. I think if a smoker chooses to inhale toxic fumes into their body they don't have the right to force it onto anyone else.
I disagree with your disagreement..
I am a smoker and a considerate one at that hell...If we have visitors to my house I go outside to smoke if they are non smokers...
I just feel to ban people from doing something which is not illegal is totally out of order..
If smoking/passive smoking was such an evil monster why is it not outlawed completely :dunno:
Same as drink driving....Have no limit for alcohol in the blood and make it illegal to have any alcohol in the blood....
But there is too much revenue to be earned from fines and increased insurance policies to be made...
I'm trying to think of an analogy. If I were to drink and drive, surely that would be my choice right? I'm putting my own life at risk - and it's my life after all.
However I would also be putting other peoples lives at risk too. Would that be fair? Would my rights be the same as the person who I may kill/injure because it's my body and the government makes loads of money from alcohol revenue?
No smoking doesn't cause accidents or kill the person there and then. But passive smoking kills. It's just a few years down the line.
And I wish drinking and smoking were banned, I really do!
You may be a considerate smoker, as am I. But a lot of people aren't.
I just think that non-smokers have a right to be protected. Would the HSE allow an employer to expose its workers to highly carsonogenic (sp?) chemicals day after day? (Apart from fags before the ban abviously
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Then there was Wednesday night......I've been away at a conference (yep despite my 'attitude and foolishness' in leaving my old job I have with great ease found a very well paid new one) I was relaxing in my very pricey hotel room ordered some room service and having genuinely forgot about the ban lit up a cigar of all things. Room service arrived to a room smelling of smoke left the drinks and went away, 10 minutes a not very happy at all manager was knocking on the door not only wanting to throw me out but (quite rightly so) was threatening to call the police on me :shock: Like I said it was a genuine mistake due to the fact I was a tad tipsy so plenty of sorry's later and a donation to a charity that was also using one of the conference rooms meant I managed to keep my room.
Hotel rooms are not covered by the ban, so this is a company policy rather than against the law
Dave_Notts
I really hate going out and some pisshead spilling thier drink over me or some drunken girlfriend getting arsey cos her fella happened to glance in my direction or see someone start a fight for next to no reason.
I've never once had a cigarette and then acted a twat purely because of it.
I went to a pub yesterday afternoon and was pleased to see a really lovely outdoor area with nice seating, umbrellas and patio heaters. There are plans for a huge canopy for the winter, too.
I bet all the non-smokers end up out there too.
I've never once had a cigarette and then acted a twat purely because of it.
I went to a pub yesterday afternoon and was pleased to see a really lovely outdoor area with nice seating, umbrellas and patio heaters. There are plans for a huge canopy for the winter, too.
I bet all the non-smokers end up out there too.
Perfectly legal to smoke while you are driving in the UK although some countries have banned it.
Not all true - you cannot smoke in any company/firms vehicle that others may drive, or be a passenger in - this is everything from a company car, white van man, up to HGV.
Also, you cannot smoke in any passenger carrying vehicle - bus, coach, taxi, train (unless you're an MP)
Van and Lorry cabs are classed as a 'place of work' so you cannot smoke in them for that reason as well as the above!
Great for me, means I don't have to threaten people to put their fags out in my cab
Don't worry cars will be next and if the attitude of non drivers is anything like the attitude of (most) non smokers then all drivers are stuffed, divide and conquer it always works.
I do have to say though that as a non smoker and walking into a club/pub it seems to smell worse, is this just me? tends to smell more stale and sweaty now, i suppose the smoke hid most of that, anyway i'd rather sit in my garage with a friend smoking than sit in it with an engine running, do all these non smokers who are preaching about how they shouldnt have to breathe in anyones smoke think the same about cars? after all non drivers and children shouldnt have to breathe it in they have rights to, oh and yes i drive but you can't preach about one and not the other just because one won't affect you as much especialy when the argument is aimed at health.
I do have to say though that as a non smoker and walking into a club/pub it seems to smell worse, is this just me? tends to smell more stale and sweaty now, i suppose the smoke hid most of that, anyway i'd rather sit in my garage with a friend smoking than sit in it with an engine running, do all these non smokers who are preaching about how they shouldnt have to breathe in anyones smoke think the same about cars? after all non drivers and children shouldnt have to breathe it in they have rights to, oh and yes i drive but you can't preach about one and not the other just because one won't affect you as much especialy when the argument is aimed at health.
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Don't worry cars will be next and if the attitude of non drivers is anything like the attitude of (most) non smokers then all drivers are stuffed, divide and conquer it always works.
I do have to say though that as a non smoker and walking into a club/pub it seems to smell worse, is this just me? tends to smell more stale and sweaty now, i suppose the smoke hid most of that, anyway i'd rather sit in my garage with a friend smoking than sit in it with an engine running, do all these non smokers who are preaching about how they shouldnt have to breathe in anyones smoke think the same about cars? after all non drivers and children shouldnt have to breathe it in they have rights to, oh and yes i drive but you can't preach about one and not the other just because one won't affect you as much especialy when the argument is aimed at health.
I would like to suggest that you read this article solofun. And I do smoke. I just think it's beter to at least try to have all the facts before comparing and blaming.
Quote by Recent BBC News
Smoking more toxic than car fumes
Cigarettes polluted more than cars
People who smoke cigarettes are pumping out 10 times more toxic air than cars, say experts.
Tobacco smoke produced far more fine particulate matter - the element of air pollution most dangerous for health - than diesel exhaust.
The National Cancer Institute team told Tobacco Control the findings could explain why non-smokers exposed to passive smoke get lung damage.
They also support growing calls for a smoking ban in enclosed public spaces.
Particulate matter is known to increase the risk of lung cancer and asthma and in Europe the legal limit of emissions is set at 40ug/m3 per year.
The present data give cause for concern.
The study authors
They come from a variety of sources such as cars, trucks, buses, factories and construction sites.
Environmental tobacco smoke is another known cause, which Dr Giovanni Invernizzi and colleagues at the Tobacco Control Unit in Milan said has received less attention.
They conducted an experiment to compare the emission from cigarettes with those from a diesel car.
The controlled experiment was carried out in a private garage in a small mountain town in northern Italy which had very low levels of particulate matter air pollution.
A turbo diesel 2 litre engine, fuelled with low sulphur fuel, was started and left idling for 30 minutes in the garage, with the doors closed, after which the doors were left open for four hours.
Three filter cigarettes were then lit up sequentially, and left smouldering for a further 30 minutes.
Poisoned air
A portable analyser took readings every two minutes during the experiments.
Combined particulate levels in the first hour after the engine had been started measured 88 ug/m3.
In comparison, those recorded in the first hour after the cigarettes had been lit measured 830 ug/m3 - 10 times greater.
The diesel engine exhaust doubled the background particulate matter levels found outdoors at its peak.
The environmental tobacco smoke particulate matter reached levels 15 times those measured outdoors.
The authors said: "The present data give cause for concern."
Similarly, researchers from Lund University in Sweden found toxic substances in the air of a smoky room were 120 times higher than in a smoke-free room.
Their findings appear in the journal Indoor Air.
Amanda Sandford from Action on Smoking and Health said: "This research should lead to a greater understanding of how tobacco smoke can trigger respiratory diseases such as asthma.
"While there are many sources of pollution that we don't have much control over, we can control tobacco smoke emissions.
"We already know that smoking is a trigger for asthma. There is no need to wait for more evidence.
"This study underlines the need for a ban on smoking in all indoor public places and workplaces. Every day of delay means that more people are becoming ill through second-hand smoke. The time for action is now."
A spokesman from the Tobacco Manufacturers' Association said: "A garage in the mountains of northern Italy hardly constitutes the controlled laboratory conditions normally required for experiments of this kind.
"Public policy on smoking should be based on sound science."
He said while tobacco smoke could be an "annoyance" to some people, "anti-tobacco bias should not be allowed to distort scientific objectivity."
"The best way of addressing public concerns about environmental tobacco smoke is through the provision of designated non-smoking and smoking areas with good ventilation," he said.
what makes me laugh is all you people who moan on about smoking, when everyone decides to pack up smoking cause they not allowed to smoke anywhere where do you think they going to recover the money they loose in tobacco sales from? your wages, the petrol you put in your car, the booze you drink....your going to foot the bill for it lol makes no odds to me cause they money i save from not buying fags will cover my extra tax lol
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what makes me laugh is all you people who moan on about smoking, when everyone decides to pack up smoking cause they not allowed to smoke anywhere where do you think they going to recover the money they loose in tobacco sales from? your wages, the petrol you put in your car, the booze you drink....your going to foot the bill for it lol makes no odds to me cause they money i save from not
buying fags will cover my extra tax lol
I can see your point NN, but there are plenty of people that neither smoke nor drink ever - Mrs Kiss for example.
Her tax is already paying for treating people for smoking related illnesses, the blight of alcohol on our society and the aftermath on a Friday/Saturday night.
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Perfectly legal to smoke while you are driving in the UK although some countries have banned it.
Not all true - you cannot smoke in any company/firms vehicle that others may drive, or be a passenger in - this is everything from a company car, white van man, up to HGV.
Also, you cannot smoke in any passenger carrying vehicle - bus, coach, taxi, train (unless you're an MP)
Van and Lorry cabs are classed as a 'place of work' so you cannot smoke in them for that reason as well as the above!
Great for me, means I don't have to threaten people to put their fags out in my cab
Now come on Jon, it was perfectly obvious I was talking about private vehicles when I said that. If the vehicle in question is your place of work then office rules apply.
Just as a matter of interest. We were at a pub Sat night and sitting outside having fun ... and yes it was a SH social event. At some stage in the evening the barmaid came out and said that we weren't allowed to be outside with glasses after 11p.m. More evidence of the nanny state? Apparently the magical hour of 11p.m. makes me unsafe to handle a glass anymore. Considering that I and many others in the party had been on soft drinks all evening because we were driving didn't count. The rules is the rules. They have taken over so many aspects of our lives and imposed THEIR rules that its difficult to know whether even farting in public is legal anymore, or does that cause noise and environmental pollution?
i went out last fridy for first time since the ban....and what a pleasure it was. I could actually smell the ladies perfume as she wafter past me. I came home and didn't have to jump in shower immediatly to scrub off the smell....
I think most people that do smoke, regret and wish thay hadn't started. This has seemingly been a motivation to give up, that some needed. that alone can't be bad.
Just give it a couple of months and it will be second nature, for people not to smoke in enclosed spaces.
I think most people that do smoke, regret and wish thay hadn't started. This has seemingly been a motivation to give up, that some needed. that alone can't be bad.
Just give it a couple of months and it will be second nature, for people not to smoke in enclosed spaces.
Quote by Kiss
what makes me laugh is all you people who moan on about smoking, when everyone decides to pack up smoking cause they not allowed to smoke anywhere where do you think they going to recover the money they loose in tobacco sales from? your wages, the petrol you put in your car, the booze you drink....your going to foot the bill for it lol makes no odds to me cause they money i save from not
buying fags will cover my extra tax lol
I can see your point NN, but there are plenty of people that neither smoke nor drink ever - Mrs Kiss for example.
Her tax is already paying for treating people for smoking related illnesses, the blight of alcohol on our society and the aftermath on a Friday/Saturday night.
most people who smoke pay tax into the NHS too so in effect they paying for thir own treatment, i have never been in hospital in my life except to have the kids yet have payed tax into it all my working life so if i get ill i feel i have more than payed for any treatment i will receive
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what makes me laugh is all you people who moan on about smoking, when everyone decides to pack up smoking cause they not allowed to smoke anywhere where do you think they going to recover the money they loose in tobacco sales from? your wages, the petrol you put in your car, the booze you drink....your going to foot the bill for it lol makes no odds to me cause they money i save from not
buying fags will cover my extra tax lol
I can see your point NN, but there are plenty of people that neither smoke nor drink ever - Mrs Kiss for example.
Her tax is already paying for treating people for smoking related illnesses, the blight of alcohol on our society and the aftermath on a Friday/Saturday night.
most people who smoke pay tax into the NHS too so in effect they paying for thir own treatment, i have never been in hospital in my life except to have the kids yet have payed tax into it all my working life so if i get ill i feel i have more than payed for any treatment i will receive
I wasn't talking about you directly NN. Yes there are plenty of people who smoke that do pay tax, but there plenty on benefits or who are unemployed that don't.
Sex God
its difficult to know whether even farting in public is legal anymore, or does that cause noise and environmental pollution?apparently its cows burping that causes the major problem :shock:
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They do if they smoke though kissafter all the revenue made from cigarettes in the uk could run the nhs, mrs kiss is more likely to be paying for drug addicts free treatment, at least smokers pay into the system.
How so?
I somebody is paid benefit, which is given to them by the State, they are buying cigarettes with other people's taxes.
Casanova
:shock: At some stage in the evening the barmaid came out and said that we weren't allowed to be outside with glasses after 11p.m
Well this comment has me worried,it means someone has to stay inside to keep watch on the drinks!
A) To ensure they dont get nicked whilst unattended
B) To stop spiking (yes it does still happen)
My local is like a ghost pub, the publican has said his takings are seriously down. He also commented on his lack of enjoyment as when the hard and fast locals are venturing to the pub they are sitting outside,so he isnt getting to chat and be social!
So the smoking ban so far has had a huge impact on his livlyhood and his enjoyment of running his pub.
I dont see why they couldnt have a ventilated smokers area inside the pub seprate from the non-smoking area which either had no bar or one staffed by folk who opted out of the no smoking in the work place.
Lets face it if people can opt out of the EU working hours directive, i dont see why folkes cant opt out of the no smoking ban too!! aslong as all the non smokers are informed where the smoking area's are what's the problem?
Nicky
Well this comment has me worried,it means someone has to stay inside to keep watch on the drinks!
A) To ensure they dont get nicked whilst unattended
B) To stop spiking (yes it does still happen)
My local is like a ghost pub, the publican has said his takings are seriously down. He also commented on his lack of enjoyment as when the hard and fast locals are venturing to the pub they are sitting outside,so he isnt getting to chat and be social!
So the smoking ban so far has had a huge impact on his livlyhood and his enjoyment of running his pub.
I dont see why they couldnt have a ventilated smokers area inside the pub seprate from the non-smoking area which either had no bar or one staffed by folk who opted out of the no smoking in the work place.
Lets face it if people can opt out of the EU working hours directive, i dont see why folkes cant opt out of the no smoking ban too!! aslong as all the non smokers are informed where the smoking area's are what's the problem?
Nicky
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They do if they smoke though kiss
How so?
I somebody is paid benefit, which is given to them by the State, they are buying cigarettes with other people's taxes.
well for every £5 they spend on cigarettes there putting £4 back in, non smokers on benefits don't simple mathematics i'd say and not all people on benefits have never worked or paid taxes so some might due some back or be on benefits through no fault of there own, low paid families also get more in benefits than single people with the tax credits system thats in place so do we moan at them to even though there out working?
As for the facts you posted they look like another anti smoking ploy 10x worse, so being in a club with 30 smokers is like being in a club with 300 cars with engines running? sorry but even you'd agree that the latter would kill you whereas a night in a club with 30 smokers wouldn't or we'd all be dead.
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They do if they smoke though kiss
How so?
I somebody is paid benefit, which is given to them by the State, they are buying cigarettes with other people's taxes.
well for every £5 they spend on cigarettes there putting £4 back in, non smokers on benefits don't simple mathematics i'd say and not all people on benefits have never worked or paid taxes so some might due some back or be on benefits through no fault of there own, low paid families also get more in benefits than single people with the tax credits system thats in place so do we moan at them to even though there out working?
Eh? How are they putting £4 os state benefit back in when at some time or another their smoking is likely to cost the NHS money.
Also, if you Google cigarettes v's unemploment, you will stumble upon lot's of reputable research carried out by 'proper' scientific institutions (including Cambridge University) that show a link between poverty, unemployment and smoking.
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As for the facts you posted they look like another anti smoking ploy 10x worse, so being in a club with 30 smokers is like being in a club with 300 cars with engines running? sorry but even you'd agree that the latter would kill you whereas a night in a club with 30 smokers wouldn't or we'd all be dead.
It doesn't quite work like that. :doh:
The scientific study was on toxicity, not carbon monoxide poisoning.
only have been out 1 time since the ban although i was tempted i didnt actually light up found a pub with a beer garden which was not so suprisingly very busy (while the inside was empty :twisted: ) went into another pub tho that you had to actually stand on the street also the fact we had to leav our glasses/bottles unattended ,open to spiking etc :shock: whilst i had a ciggie ) we didnt stay there very long!!! i do feel sorry for the non smokers in pubs but still dont agree with the total ban i think just some pubs should of banned it not all
got a letter the other day from the council in a few weeks we are having major renovations done the letter was asking us not to smoke in our homes whilst the workmen are in (a total of 5 weeks)technically they cant inforce this as the law does not cover homes but if you are found smoking the workmen will walk out!
its nanny state gone mad i tell ya
:x
got a letter the other day from the council in a few weeks we are having major renovations done the letter was asking us not to smoke in our homes whilst the workmen are in (a total of 5 weeks)technically they cant inforce this as the law does not cover homes but if you are found smoking the workmen will walk out!
its nanny state gone mad i tell ya
:x 
Sex God
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well for every £5 they spend on cigarettes there putting £4 back in,
Why do cigarette manufacturers bother then? Are you saying they only get £1 for every packet of cigarettes they sell?
Sex God
Quote by Kiss
It doesn't quite work like that. :doh:
The scientific study was on toxicity, not carbon monoxide poisoning.
I think I'd give up if I were you (on the debate, that is).
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Eh? How are they putting £4 os state benefit back in when at some time or another their smoking is likely to cost the NHS money.
Thats right but as i said the're paying for the privelage regardless of where the money comes from, unlike the person on benefits that goes in for 2 hip replacement operations.
Also, if you Google cigarettes v's unemploment, you will stumble upon lot's of reputable research carried out by 'proper' scientific institutions (including Cambridge University) that show a link between poverty, unemployment and smoking.
Thats also right but isn't it made worses by the government capitalising on someones addiction and pocketing 83% tax from each packet, you don't see them charging drug addicts 83% tax on there methadone? every other country also sells cigarettes and don't do it yet our hospitals are a laughing stock in comparison, and if smoking is the main cause of cancers then why does the uk have one of the highest cancer rates in the world yet we're one of the smallest countries, its when you add all these facts up it doesn't make sense well not to me who is a non smoker so i can't understand how it does to a smoker.
Seems funny how statistics that recieve any kind of funding from tobbaco companies is always thrown out, yet its perfectly ok to print statistics funded by anti smoking groups isn't that double standards and hiding all the facts?
