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Quote by rogerthedragon
Ditto to that but it has been rather interesting seeing peoples opinions when it is not about someone personally.
Roger.

Absolutely Roger, I'm always interested in reading peoples thoughts and opinions and often wish I could contribute in a more serious way however I really do live in a very simple world that doesn't get touched by many of the issues discussed, lucky? maybe.
Quote by DreamerHelen
Interesting post Roger...!! smile
I think that if my husband/partner didn't want sex anymore then I would basically tell him that I couldn't live without sex and that I was going to go to someone else for it, I would then proceed to find a fuck buddy that had no emotional ties and have sex with him but with the full knowledge of my husband/partner....that way I'm not cheating on him and he can leave if he wants to.

Yep, absolutely agree with you Helen.
If the wife is taking the like it or lump it attitude with sex, refusing to discuss it, discuss why, try to work through it, try anything that might help. Just expect him to forget about sex and live without it because 'she' doesn't want it, then that's a pretty selfish attitude to take, the husbands feelings haven't been considered whatsoever.
In that position, then I wouldn't blame the husband to match such an attitude. Tell her that he needs it, he is not going to push her into something that she doesn't want, but he will go and indulge elsewhere.
The ball is then back in her court, she can either do something to try and help, split up, or deal with the fact that he's going to release his sexual side elsewhere.
Quote by MISSCHIEF
Interesting post Roger...!! smile
I think that if my husband/partner didn't want sex anymore then I would basically tell him that I couldn't live without sex and that I was going to go to someone else for it, I would then proceed to find a fuck buddy that had no emotional ties and have sex with him but with the full knowledge of my husband/partner....that way I'm not cheating on him and he can leave if he wants to.

Yep, absolutely agree with you Helen.
If the wife is taking the like it or lump it attitude with sex, refusing to discuss it, discuss why, try to work through it, try anything that might help. Just expect him to forget about sex and live without it because 'she' doesn't want it, then that's a pretty selfish attitude to take, the husbands feelings haven't been considered whatsoever.
In that position, then I wouldn't blame the husband to match such an attitude. Tell her that he needs it, he is not going to push her into something that she doesn't want, but he will go and indulge elsewhere.
The ball is then back in her court, she can either do something to try and help, split up, or deal with the fact that he's going to release his sexual side elsewhere.
This isn't fair ladies - I didn't think of that as an option when I did the poll and now you both say the same thing!
Imagine there is a fourth option - tell wife he is going to get sex elsewhere and leave the descision up to her. (2 Votes so far)
Roger the Dragon cool
Yup, Roger, Helen and Mischief have got it right. Here is vote 3.
I'm always suspicious of ''I don't want to sleep with you ever again but I still.... etc etc." No you don't. It's over and you know it but you're a) concerned about the children, b) concerned about the finances or c) sh*t-scared of being alone.
Jezzay
Quote by jezzay
Yup, Roger, Helen and Mischief have got it right. Here is vote 3.
I'm always suspicious of ''I don't want to sleep with you ever again but I still.... etc etc." No you don't. It's over and you know it but you're a) concerned about the children, b) concerned about the finances or c) sh*t-scared of being alone.
Jezzay

Vote number 4
I reckon most of the women are just plain scared of being left alone and hope that their man will stay whatever the cost to himself.
Selfish bitches if you ask me :shock:
T-J
Quote by rogerthedragon
Interesting post Roger...!! smile
I think that if my husband/partner didn't want sex anymore then I would basically tell him that I couldn't live without sex and that I was going to go to someone else for it, I would then proceed to find a fuck buddy that had no emotional ties and have sex with him but with the full knowledge of my husband/partner....that way I'm not cheating on him and he can leave if he wants to.

Yep, absolutely agree with you Helen.
If the wife is taking the like it or lump it attitude with sex, refusing to discuss it, discuss why, try to work through it, try anything that might help. Just expect him to forget about sex and live without it because 'she' doesn't want it, then that's a pretty selfish attitude to take, the husbands feelings haven't been considered whatsoever.
In that position, then I wouldn't blame the husband to match such an attitude. Tell her that he needs it, he is not going to push her into something that she doesn't want, but he will go and indulge elsewhere.
The ball is then back in her court, she can either do something to try and help, split up, or deal with the fact that he's going to release his sexual side elsewhere.
This isn't fair ladies - I didn't think of that as an option when I did the poll and now you both say the same thing!
Imagine there is a fourth option - tell wife he is going to get sex elsewhere and leave the descision up to her. (2 Votes so far)
Roger the Dragon cool wave Three votes.
lhk
Quote by KitKat
wave Three votes.
lhk

Actually that now makes 5 and I would make it 6 myself except it would be cheating as I didn't think of it first time. rolleyes
Ok, guys & gals. Here is a TRUE story.
I was in the position of having a marriage that I considered was relatively sexless. Indeed it did not give the sexual satisfaction I required.
So, I went to an escort, in fact quite a few. Eventually, my concience got the better of me and I went to my wife and tried to explain that I needed help in overcoming the problem.
She said she could have understood if I was having an affair, but could not understand my need for raw sex. She said she would have been happy being oblivious to my goings on.
The result is we are now split up, hence my being on this site looking for new friends.
I now that most of you will now not talk to me, that is life. I have messed it up enough, a little more will not hurt.
Quote by BaldEagle
Ok, guys & gals. Here is a TRUE story.
I was in the position of having a marriage that I considered was relatively sexless. Indeed it did not give the sexual satisfaction I required.
So, I went to an escort, in fact quite a few. Eventually, my concience got the better of me and I went to my wife and tried to explain that I needed help in overcoming the problem.
She said she could have understood if I was having an affair, but could not understand my need for raw sex. She said she would have been happy being oblivious to my goings on.
The result is we are now split up, hence my being on this site looking for new friends.
I now that most of you will now not talk to me, that is life. I have messed it up enough, a little more will not hurt.

<HIJACK> BaldEagle, I won't be ignoring you.....at least you told your wife in the end!!
Short on time. This scenario has opened both our minds....our main reason for being here.
Still confused though, we both believe that sex isn`t the most important thing in the world (in other words there are far worse/better ways to hurt /pleasureyour partner) however doing the one thing that you know would crush your partner is simply not on. The bit we now can`t quite accept is the suggestion that a married person playing away is a worse crime than the partner denying sex.
Feel especially sorry for baldy . I (m) could probably handle my partner having a deceitful one night stand easier than finding that she had been lunching with someone for 12 months without any sex whatsoever. This is because I couldnt handle her connecting with someone else on a higher spiritual level than one that exists already between us..
Excellent thread though.
Foxys x
I have to say, I told my wife within three months of starting to go seeing escorts. It was like a drug, I needed help and the only friend & confidant I had was my wife.
Alas, no more.
I was hoping for help from her, at least to "fly off the handle" and try and help pull me back in line.
Stupid I know, and I suppose I was hoping for an ideal situation that would help me.
Her response was to say that she could no longer live with me, as she considered what I had done was dirty and was as bad a someone, in her eyes.
The silly thing is, she says she still loves me and I love her.
There is no reconciliation possible.
At the moment, the world has stopped for me, and I want to get off.
Quote by BaldEagle
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The silly thing is, she says she still loves me and I love her.
There is no reconciliation possible.
At the moment, the world has stopped for me, and I want to get off.

while love remains anything is possible
it isnt easy, its soull destroying, but there remains hope while love lives
Quote by kristof
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The silly thing is, she says she still loves me and I love her.
There is no reconciliation possible.
At the moment, the world has stopped for me, and I want to get off.

while love remains anything is possible
it isnt easy, its soull destroying, but there remains hope while love lives
NO, sorry, there is no hope. She says she cannot live with me because of the thought that I may want sex off her.
She has said that part of her still loves me. This not true, when she is already threatening solicitors to make sure she gets her money and the house !!
Basically, this has brought it all to the inevitable conclusion.
Anyway a point to the Moral question, it dosn't matter if it is with a swinger, an escort, someone you bump into on the train or your next door neighbour, the decision to go behind your partners back is yours alone, male or female.
Quote by BaldEagle
Anyway a point to the Moral question, it dosn't matter if it is with a swinger, an escort, someone you bump into on the train or your next door neighbour, the decision to go behind your partners back is yours alone, male or female.

I agree entirely but I'm a tad confused how it is relevant. confused
Roger the Dragon. cool
Sorry Roger, this really relates to a number of threads on here about cheating, single males being treated different to couples and so on.
As the poll seems to suggest cheating descreetly is the favoured option, I am just saying that onyone who cheats is doing it of their own valition and no one else should judge them.
My mind is in a little turmoil at the moment.
I vote option number 4 aswell.
That now makes 6
Quote by RedHot
Vote number 4
I reckon most of the women are just plain scared of being left alone and hope that their man will stay whatever the cost to himself.
Selfish bitches if you ask me :shock:
T-J

Having been in a relationship without sex for 2 years I can see where some might think that way, in my case it was different. We changed over the years and I also had severe depression, didn't want my ex to touch me sexually at all and tried explaining that to him - he took that to mean that there was to be no physical contact (not even a hug) and we lived in the same house and were faithful to each other.
We ended up being good friends and still are - the relationship finally ended when we decided that it was time to move on. To this day I still love him but as a brother. I didn't need him there for financial supposrt but we both enjoyed each others company.
But we both still stand by what we did, it was far less stressful and our kids took it well too. Was a simple case of us growing up and realising that young love sometimes doesn't last. I don't regret any of it and in fact we used to joke about our non existant sex life!
Funny thing is he stayed with me for a few weeks about a year ago and we woke up cuddled together and both horny! laughed about that too and decided it was stupid to go over old ground.
I have the utmost respect for him because he chose not to cheat on me and that I think is a factor of why we get on so well now. And living alone has never bothered me to the point where I'd stay in a relationship where we both were truly unhappy.
I believe that it needs a certain selfish streak to enjoy oneself. Also that looking after number one means you are more capable of looking after others. You need to feed your soul as well as your partner's. If opportunities come your way to enjoy your self, it may be because you deserve it. Why cheat on yourself? I am of the cheat discreetly choice. It offers the chance of pleasure which may not have nasty consequences, unless discovered. Its not fair or justifiable, just practical in some circumstances.