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...after all, I am the bigger person here :mrgreen: :smug:
Best you read this then: :shock: :shock: :shock:
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A question of group dynamics?
Sex God
This is great. I've never been to a psychological gangbang before.
Venus, I hope you've got over the Rose, 'cos you're surrounded by stayers methinks :!: :!:
Venus, I hope you've got over the Rose, 'cos you're surrounded by stayers methinks :!: :!:
Bumped, because too many people are at the Essex munch *sulk* and I`m bored! (and by request)
Ignoring that as I`m not about to get pedantic......
/enter Ice
If you weren`t about to get pedantic, why bring it up again?! :giggle:
Agreed.
When altruism (and yes I did have to look it up in the dictionary) becomes a universal trait, survival of the species would become at risk by default. However, a little more give and take on behalf of many individuals is not such a niave concept is it? I happen to think our species is capable of this. Your theory perhaps is a little more realistic for the now....but is it not also a little cynical? Acceptance for the current `norm` is not likely to encourage progress is it?
I think you might have me there...wasn`t even aware I was doing it. Next time I will try opposing questions :mrgreen:
A good area to encourage people to be in if you want your point to be considered wouldn`t you say? Enter `consideration for selfish reasons`.....everybody wins! Yes, that works both ways.
I think that could be a very valuable thing, so long as that is the motive, and not simply the additional voices seeking power in numbers. At some point that can become very counter-productive.
I think if many individuals took a little responsibility, then the responsibilty would lie with the collective as well as the individual. I`m all for differing personalities, and instinct, else we may as well say goodbye to love, fear and all those other traits which make us feel alive, but it does dismay me when I see people behaving like.....well, gorillas!
I quite possibly am polarised in my approach, it`s a huge subject, one I am trying to tackle with a tenuous grasp of one direction at best. Still, that never stopped me yet, it`s how I broaden my understanding...........see not polarised after all! :mrgreen:
Smartarse ;)
Venusxxx
*you watch too much Star Trek
Quote by Ice Pie
Er, if you note who said the bit in bold, I think you'll find I didn't.
Ignoring that as I`m not about to get pedantic......
/enter Ice
If you weren`t about to get pedantic, why bring it up again?! :giggle:
To some it might be. If social survival is as important to the individual as physical survival, then agreeing with someone farther up the pecking order would be just as valid, to that person, as agreeing with someone who has a gun to their head.
Agreed.
We are not gorillas, but we share with them the instincts of our common ancestors. Those instincts probably developed in a time and place where social conformity was the greater good, for the individual as well as for the collective, and may still be to some extent. Yes, we can think past the programming if we want to, but don't count on altruism to influence that - there's no such thing.
When altruism (and yes I did have to look it up in the dictionary) becomes a universal trait, survival of the species would become at risk by default. However, a little more give and take on behalf of many individuals is not such a niave concept is it? I happen to think our species is capable of this. Your theory perhaps is a little more realistic for the now....but is it not also a little cynical? Acceptance for the current `norm` is not likely to encourage progress is it?
It wasn't rhetorical, it was an invitation to agree. Gorillas grunting again. ;)
I think you might have me there...wasn`t even aware I was doing it. Next time I will try opposing questions :mrgreen:
Depending on their strength of character and confidence in their position, they will feel anywhere from heroically defiant to utterly invalidated. Somewhere between those extremes is an openness to persuasion.
A good area to encourage people to be in if you want your point to be considered wouldn`t you say? Enter `consideration for selfish reasons`.....everybody wins! Yes, that works both ways.
And if they have nothing further to add but wish to express their support for whoever has voiced their view, is that not a valid contribution? An indicator of how close the group is to consensus?
I think that could be a very valuable thing, so long as that is the motive, and not simply the additional voices seeking power in numbers. At some point that can become very counter-productive.
I think the responsibility is collective as well as individual. To make it solely individual would be to imply that all points of view should remain either unexpressed or unanswered. That's not going to happen, obviously, and however much you may try to rationalise the interaction, intellect will never completely submerge the instincts and emotions, just as the *collective dynamic will never completely submerge the individual personalities.
I think if many individuals took a little responsibility, then the responsibilty would lie with the collective as well as the individual. I`m all for differing personalities, and instinct, else we may as well say goodbye to love, fear and all those other traits which make us feel alive, but it does dismay me when I see people behaving like.....well, gorillas!
I don't think you're being pretentious, perhaps just a bit polarized in your approach. I don't think you can analyse collective behaviour purely in terms of the group dynamic, because the group is composed of unpredictable individuals. Seems to me that people in a crowd are acting both collectively and individually at the same time, and they're doing on both an intellectual and an instinctive basis.
I quite possibly am polarised in my approach, it`s a huge subject, one I am trying to tackle with a tenuous grasp of one direction at best. Still, that never stopped me yet, it`s how I broaden my understanding...........see not polarised after all! :mrgreen:
Now, admittedly I have no formal psych training, and I haven't really given a great deal of thought to this particular aspect, this is just me saying what I think I see. I also admit it's a bit of a cop out by way of being a self-fulfilling prophecy because some of my response is analytical and some of it is gut reaction, which rather sneakily ties up my point about the interplay between intelligence and instinct, cos I'm devious like that. :twisted:
Smartarse ;)
Venusxxx
*you watch too much Star Trek
Sex God
Flippin' 'eck. I've just noticed you've got a bag over your head. Is that a form of personalised group dynamics?
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Flippin' 'eck. I've just noticed you've got a bag over your head. Is that a form of personalised group dynamics?
My group dynamic, or lack thereof. I put my fugly mug up, and a trend started (Scandal`s fault), so I put a bag over mine just to be different and feel all superior like. :mrgreen:
Venusxxx
Sex God
Nothing to do with shoe shopping then? 
Memory span of a goldfish - I dunno!
Memory span of a goldfish - I dunno! 
