Driving tests.
Lets face it most folk who want to drive pass the test eventually.
This entitles you to do something that kills more people early than most other activities put together, including murder and illegal drug use I suspect. Alcohol probably kills more in the long run I suppose.
I contend that the driving test regime currently in place is killing thousands of people and should be modified.
I propose an annual driving skills assessment. The pass rate will be 50%. Any contravention of traffic law will require immediate reassessment. The scheme will be paid for by the savings in hospital care and by a levy on all drivers who will enjoy significantly reduced insurance costs. Once the level of competence increases all motor insurance can be provided by the state as there will be very few "bad risks".
Road expansion plans will stop and congestion will fall dramatically. Public transport will become reliable efficient and well funded.
On the downside driving without a license will have to result in an extended prison sentence. I propose we establish generator farms where such convicts can work treadmills for the production of green energy. If they are disabled they can make audio books for the blind. I think a 5 year stretch would do it.
Anybody disagree?
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I agree that people who have passed their tests should be asked to retake tests periodically, maybe 5 year intervals?.. I've been driving 5 years now and I've already developed habits that wouldn't have got me through my test, ie., parking etc.
I agree too many people pass their tests and go wild.
I agree too many people pass their tests and go wild.
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I agree that people who have passed their tests should be asked to retake tests periodically, maybe 5 year intervals?.. I've been driving 5 years now and I've already developed habits that wouldn't have got me through my test, ie., parking etc.
I agree too many people pass their tests and go wild.
:thumbup: same here I passed about 5 years agos and I have bad habbits. Being completly honest tho im not sure I would pass with out some refresher lessons
Sex God
I think that afrter 5 years driving one would be better at it. I mean, I would think that I could park better anticipate better and such than i could when I passed. As for insurance being nationalised i think the companies involved would tell the government to 
and the gov't would obey 
Oh and thats all very well saying this stuff when one already drives
Now what I do think would be a good idea is to sort out somesort of competence test for mobility scooters. With an MOT and maybe an ex[lanation as to how or if they can be used on a public highway/footpath etc.
Good post though :thumbup:
and the gov't would obey Oh and thats all very well saying this stuff when one already drives
Now what I do think would be a good idea is to sort out somesort of competence test for mobility scooters. With an MOT and maybe an ex[lanation as to how or if they can be used on a public highway/footpath etc.
Good post though :thumbup:
Quote by benrums0n
Driving tests.
Lets face it most folk who want to drive pass the test eventually.
This entitles you to do something that kills more people early than most other activities put together, including murder and illegal drug use I suspect. Alcohol probably kills more in the long run I suppose.
I contend that the driving test regime currently in place is killing thousands of people and should be modified.
I propose an annual driving skills assessment. The pass rate will be 50%. Any contravention of traffic law will require immediate reassessment. The scheme will be paid for by the savings in hospital care and by a levy on all drivers who will enjoy significantly reduced insurance costs. Once the level of competence increases all motor insurance can be provided by the state as there will be very few "bad risks".
Road expansion plans will stop and congestion will fall dramatically. Public transport will become reliable efficient and well funded.
On the downside driving without a license will have to result in an extended prison sentence. I propose we establish generator farms where such convicts can work treadmills for the production of green energy. If they are disabled they can make audio books for the blind. I think a 5 year stretch would do it.
Anybody disagree?
John Gaunt lives
I think water this idea down (a HELL of a lot) and it's worth thinking about BUT the cost of initially setting up millions of tests for people and carrying them out would be immense. Plus some people have really bad nervousness problems with tests and may fail but be the safest drivers in the world.
Perhaps they should make the initial test harder and then do a refresher course every ten years. Anyone who causes the examiner to be concerned about their level of competence should then be asked to take a retest.
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I think that afrter 5 years driving one would be better at it.
You would think so wouldn't you? I think my confidence has grown in that time, I'm not a nervous driver anymore. I think we can get a bit complacent which is when the bad habits come in and it's these bad habits that will fail a test
Orgasminator
I have been thinking for years that there should be a retest/refresher course.
There are far too many dangerous drivers on the road that once they get a licence they can do what they like with out any thought for other road users or pedestrians.
Its about the only thing I think should be monitiored by the goverment but thats in another thread.
There are far too many dangerous drivers on the road that once they get a licence they can do what they like with out any thought for other road users or pedestrians.
Its about the only thing I think should be monitiored by the goverment but thats in another thread.
Sex God
One of the best things I ever did was scrap my car and not replace it........doesn't add anything to the thread I know but I'm soooooooooooooo proud
Sex God
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One of the best things I ever did was scrap my car and not replace it........doesn't add anything to the thread I know but I'm soooooooooooooo proud
Nice idea, but I live 8 miles from work. Not practical really. lol
Sex God
I live 7 1/2 miles from work , I bought a bike .
Yeah I disagree mate.
If everybody had to take driving tests once a year and you increased standards of driving aptitude then inevitably it would force those people who currently drive and failed the test and need to drive to get to work etc, to drive without a licence.
This would lead to more uninsured drivers, more time in courts for uninsured and unlicensed drivers taking up more valuable public funds and thus increasing the taxes we all pay.
This would lead to more of the money saved in drunk driving hospital attendances being spent on court proceedings for unlicensed/uninsured drivers and thus be a little counterproductive.
There is no way that savings on hospital admissions from less bad drivers would work towards paying for these tests on such a scale anyway, especially as other areas of health care are also in a massive deficit, cancer research and treatment, pay and conditions for nurses, children's medicine etc. The money saved would be nominal compared to how much it would cost to retest EVERY driver in the UK, some 31 million of us!! :shock:
A good idea mate, but realistically I just don't think it would work, for the above reasons but hey we are all entitled to our opinions, that's why we come here
If everybody had to take driving tests once a year and you increased standards of driving aptitude then inevitably it would force those people who currently drive and failed the test and need to drive to get to work etc, to drive without a licence.
This would lead to more uninsured drivers, more time in courts for uninsured and unlicensed drivers taking up more valuable public funds and thus increasing the taxes we all pay.
This would lead to more of the money saved in drunk driving hospital attendances being spent on court proceedings for unlicensed/uninsured drivers and thus be a little counterproductive.
There is no way that savings on hospital admissions from less bad drivers would work towards paying for these tests on such a scale anyway, especially as other areas of health care are also in a massive deficit, cancer research and treatment, pay and conditions for nurses, children's medicine etc. The money saved would be nominal compared to how much it would cost to retest EVERY driver in the UK, some 31 million of us!! :shock:
A good idea mate, but realistically I just don't think it would work, for the above reasons but hey we are all entitled to our opinions, that's why we come here
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Driving tests.
Lets face it most folk who want to drive pass the test eventually.
This entitles you to do something that kills more people early than most other activities put together, including murder and illegal drug use I suspect. Alcohol probably kills more in the long run I suppose.
I contend that the driving test regime currently in place is killing thousands of people and should be modified.
I propose an annual driving skills assessment. The pass rate will be 50%. Any contravention of traffic law will require immediate reassessment. The scheme will be paid for by the savings in hospital care and by a levy on all drivers who will enjoy significantly reduced insurance costs. Once the level of competence increases all motor insurance can be provided by the state as there will be very few "bad risks".
Road expansion plans will stop and congestion will fall dramatically. Public transport will become reliable efficient and well funded.
On the downside driving without a license will have to result in an extended prison sentence. I propose we establish generator farms where such convicts can work treadmills for the production of green energy. If they are disabled they can make audio books for the blind. I think a 5 year stretch would do it.
Anybody disagree?
John Gaunt lives
I think water this idea down (a HELL of a lot) and it's worth thinking about BUT the cost of initially setting up millions of tests for people and carrying them out would be immense. Plus some people have really bad nervousness problems with tests and may fail but be the safest drivers in the world.
Perhaps they should make the initial test harder and then do a refresher course every ten years. Anyone who causes the examiner to be concerned about their level of competence should then be asked to take a retest.
He certainly does in my house. :lol: :lol:
Seriously though, my Father should in my opinion not be driving anymore. He is 75 and a bit doddery. I feel that without doubt anyone over the age of 70 should have to have some sort of test every two years. I ride a motorbike and the worst offenders on the roads in general are the elderly. Their perceptions are so much slower hence the saying " sunday afternoon drivers ". I on a lot of occasions on a Sunday have nearly been wiped out by an elderly person who clearly cannot see properly or has no idea of speed of an oncoming motor or bike. Their pulling out of junction skills are dire to say the least.
As it stands my points about the elderly are based on facts as they have to get a doctors note to drive after the age of 70, but cant remember how often they need to go to the doctor for a replacement. If they were good drivers there would be no need for them to have a doctors certificate to drive after 70.
If they made everyone re sit a test say every 5 years, where would the staff come from to deal with that kind of influx? They have not got enough now hence why it takes so long for a test to come through. My opinion is that when you reach that age of 70, then every two years they should be given some sort of retest. But only my opinion. :lol:
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee
I live 7 1/2 miles from work , I bought a bike .
I don't enjoy work enough to suffer in getting there. Mind you I enjoy cycling - just not to work.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Seriously though, my Father should in my opinion not be driving anymore. He is 75 and a bit doddery. I feel that without doubt anyone over the age of 70 should have to have some sort of test every two years. I ride a motorbike and the worst offenders on the roads in general are the elderly. Their perceptions are so much slower hence the saying " sunday afternoon drivers ". I on a lot of occasions on a Sunday have nearly been wiped out by an elderly person who clearly cannot see properly or has no idea of speed of an oncoming motor or bike. Their pulling out of junction skills are dire to say the least.
As it stands my points about the elderly are based on facts as they have to get a doctors note to drive after the age of 70, but cant remember how often they need to go to the doctor for a replacement. If they were good drivers there would be no need for them to have a doctors certificate to drive after 70.
If they made everyone re sit a test say every 5 years, where would the staff come from to deal with that kind of influx? They have not got enough now hence why it takes so long for a test to come through. My opinion is that when you reach that age of 70, then every two years they should be given some sort of retest. But only my opinion.
I'm certain my mother shouldn't be driving. She has macular degeneration (retina damage) and has trouble seeing. I asked her how she gets to church and the shops safely - her answer? "It's ok, I know the way" WTF!!!!!!! I don't know if I have the 'right' to stop her, but if she has a serious crash I don't how I'll live with myself.
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Seriously though, my Father should in my opinion not be driving anymore. He is 75 and a bit doddery. I feel that without doubt anyone over the age of 70 should have to have some sort of test every two years. I ride a motorbike and the worst offenders on the roads in general are the elderly. Their perceptions are so much slower hence the saying " sunday afternoon drivers ". I on a lot of occasions on a Sunday have nearly been wiped out by an elderly person who clearly cannot see properly or has no idea of speed of an oncoming motor or bike. Their pulling out of junction skills are dire to say the least.
As it stands my points about the elderly are based on facts as they have to get a doctors note to drive after the age of 70, but cant remember how often they need to go to the doctor for a replacement. If they were good drivers there would be no need for them to have a doctors certificate to drive after 70.
If they made everyone re sit a test say every 5 years, where would the staff come from to deal with that kind of influx? They have not got enough now hence why it takes so long for a test to come through. My opinion is that when you reach that age of 70, then every two years they should be given some sort of retest. But only my opinion.
I'm certain my mother shouldn't be driving. She has macular degeneration (retina damage) and has trouble seeing. I asked her how she gets to church and the shops safely - her answer? "It's ok, I know the way" WTF!!!!!!! I don't know if I have the 'right' to stop her, but if she has a serious crash I don't how I'll live with myself.
I have the same dilema. If my Father God forbids has an accident which is his fault, maybe his insurance wont pay out either. As the onus is on the driver to report any impairment to the DVLA. My Father cannot walk unaided and I am amazed how he reckons he can drive ok. :shock:
I would not shop him rightly or wrongly but...have made him aware what his troubles could be if something happened.
Sex God
Kent and Foxy, wouldn't it be a good idea for you to report them - what if they kill someone? Surely it can be done without them being prosecuted? A 'phone call to DVLA with addresses, maybe they'd send notice to them to get checked, or could you inform police? Sounds harsh but if the alternative is someone getting seriously injured or even killed, I'd report them.
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Kent and Foxy, wouldn't it be a good idea for you to report them - what if they kill someone? Surely it can be done without them being prosecuted? A 'phone call to DVLA with addresses, maybe they'd send notice to them to get checked, or could you inform police? Sounds harsh but if the alternative is someone getting seriously injured or even killed, I'd report them.
Understand what you are saying a conscious thing for sure. I just hope that nothing does happen. Its a hard choice to report your own parent though. As you know I can be quite moralistic at times, so i presume I am a hypocrite? In honest yes I am I suppose.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Kent and Foxy, wouldn't it be a good idea for you to report them - what if they kill someone? Surely it can be done without them being prosecuted? A 'phone call to DVLA with addresses, maybe they'd send notice to them to get checked, or could you inform police? Sounds harsh but if the alternative is someone getting seriously injured or even killed, I'd report them.
Understand what you are saying a conscious thing for sure. I just hope that nothing does happen. Its a hard choice to report your own parent though. As you know I can be quite moralistic at times, so i presume I am a hypocrite? In honest yes I am I suppose.
Well yes, sorry. What if it was someone else's elderly parent who caused an accident involving someone you love? I wouldn't hesitate to report anyone I thought unfit to drive - and I'd tell them I was going to do it as well.
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Kent and Foxy, wouldn't it be a good idea for you to report them - what if they kill someone? Surely it can be done without them being prosecuted? A 'phone call to DVLA with addresses, maybe they'd send notice to them to get checked, or could you inform police? Sounds harsh but if the alternative is someone getting seriously injured or even killed, I'd report them.
Understand what you are saying a conscious thing for sure. I just hope that nothing does happen. Its a hard choice to report your own parent though. As you know I can be quite moralistic at times, so i presume I am a hypocrite? In honest yes I am I suppose.
Well yes, sorry. What if it was someone else's elderly parent who caused an accident involving someone you love? I wouldn't hesitate to report anyone I thought unfit to drive - and I'd tell them I was going to do it as well.
Then your braver than me. Yes I know I am wrong FB.
I have reported a partner, parent and best friend when I knew they were not safe to drive.
I told them that I would do it.
I did it
I told them that I had done it.
The partner didn't believe me- lost their licence. DD lessons attended. (end of relationship- no lives lost)
Parent. Points on licence. Twice.
Best friend. Hasn't been caught yet, but is well aware that I do report him as soon as I know he is under the influence and driving. And often when I am not quite sure.
My philosophy is that if they killed my son I would never forgive them. Another person's son is just as important as mine.
my conscience is clear.
If someone is found to be driving when incapable (regardless of the circumstances of their incapability) Their licence should be revoked. A car is a dangerous object in the wrong hands.
I told them that I would do it.
I did it
I told them that I had done it.
The partner didn't believe me- lost their licence. DD lessons attended. (end of relationship- no lives lost)
Parent. Points on licence. Twice.
Best friend. Hasn't been caught yet, but is well aware that I do report him as soon as I know he is under the influence and driving. And often when I am not quite sure.
My philosophy is that if they killed my son I would never forgive them. Another person's son is just as important as mine.
my conscience is clear.
If someone is found to be driving when incapable (regardless of the circumstances of their incapability) Their licence should be revoked. A car is a dangerous object in the wrong hands.
Firstly Splen and Freckles get a room ffs all this agreeing is making my head spin!!!!
Secondly anything in my opinion that is done with the express reason of making the road safer for mine and anyone elses children gets a green light from me. If folk don't want to lose their jobs then I'm sure they will be much more careful in both their learning, their re-tests and their actual driving and that in turn will make the raods safer.
Love
Fire xxx
all this agreeing is making my head spin!!!!Secondly anything in my opinion that is done with the express reason of making the road safer for mine and anyone elses children gets a green light from me. If folk don't want to lose their jobs then I'm sure they will be much more careful in both their learning, their re-tests and their actual driving and that in turn will make the raods safer.
Love
Fire xxx
Sex God
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Firstly Splen and Freckles get a room ffs
Please Mrs. Fire, she keeps agreeing with me, it's not my fault, honest! :lol: Quote by benrums0n
This entitles you to do something that kills more people early than most other activities put together, including murder and illegal drug use I suspect. Alcohol probably kills more in the long run I suppose.
I contend that the driving test regime currently in place is killing thousands of people and should be modified.
I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Deaths from Automobile accidents accounts for approx. 3200. this figure is coming down year on year due to increase in safety factors with regards to cars (deformable bumpers/air bags/ABS etc)
32% of all pedestrian fatalities are linked to folks not looking and stepping in front of vehicles, so thats approx 1000 incidents where the driver could not be held to blame. maybe we need to introduce a test where pedestrians aren't allowed to walk the streets unless they can prove they know what they are doing?
I think there are a lot more important areas where education can increase lifespan like smoking/alcohol abuse etc. that need looking at than further legislature for the humble car/motorcycle/HGV drivers.
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Firstly Splen and Freckles get a room ffs
Please Mrs. Fire, she keeps agreeing with me, it's not my fault, honest! :lol:That is just not true. You have agreed with me too.
I am sure you did it first actually.
It is YOUR fault not mine.. I was merely being polite.
Sex God
Quote by splendid_
Firstly Splen and Freckles get a room ffs
Please Mrs. Fire, she keeps agreeing with me, it's not my fault, honest! :lol:That is just not true. You have agreed with me too.
I am sure you did it first actually.
It is YOUR fault not mine.. I was merely being polite.
I have agreed with you, yes. Can't remember who did it first though - equally guilty? :lol:
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I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Deaths from Automobile accidents accounts for approx. 3200. this figure is coming down year on year due to increase in safety factors with regards to cars (deformable bumpers/air bags/ABS etc)
Sorry Rogue I disagree. I was knocked down on a zebra crossing when I was 17. If they had invented airbags then, I wouldnt have given a toss about how soft or safe they were. They wouldnt have done me any good would they? I was the one getting thrown in the air outside the car. I'm glad the figure is coming down but it needs to come down quicker and that in my opinion means making the drivers safer.
32% of all pedestrian fatalities are linked to folks not looking and stepping in front of vehicles, so thats approx 1000 incidents where the driver could not be held to blame. maybe we need to introduce a test where pedestrians aren't allowed to walk the streets unless they can prove they know what they are doing?
If drivers are driving at the correct speed then they should (apart from in extreme circumstances like someone deliberately throwing themselves in front of the car) be able to see and act if a pedestrian makes a mistake.
I think there are a lot more important areas where education can increase lifespan like smoking/alcohol abuse etc. that need looking at than further legislature for the humble car/motorcycle/HGV drivers.
I agree with this, but we're not talking about increasing lifespan here we are talking about stopping people being killed unnecessarily arn't we?
Love
Fire x
Sex God
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I have agreed with you, yes. Can't remember who did it first though - equally guilty?
oh bother.... o.k. then.
:shock:
can I agree in a sulky voice so it isn't quite agreeing?
:lol: if you must! Best stop hijacking now though?
My sisters and I thought our elderly step father was getting past the stage of safe driving. It wasnt until I had a two minute lift with him and experienced the most terrifying car ride of my life that we decided to report him for unsafe driving...
Unfortunatly we didnt have to do that due to him having a major stroke the next day... but we would have done it for all the reasons mentioned.
Unfortunatly we didnt have to do that due to him having a major stroke the next day... but we would have done it for all the reasons mentioned.
