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I'm beginning to think that calling this a Swinging site is in fact misrepresentation. It is now just a commercial sex site.
Shows a total lack of understanding of what swinging is - but I guess it was always on the cards and will make someone a bit o' dosh...
...Oh and it'll get rid of all those irritating people who do understand swinging as well.
Ah well...
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Shows a total lack of understanding of what swinging is - but I guess it was always on the cards and will make someone a bit o' dosh...
...Oh and it'll get rid of all those irritating people who do understand swinging as well.
Ah well...
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Sex God
i wonder if i can put a swingers weekend on my wedding list? am sure my mother-in-law to be would LOVE to purchase it for us! 
:lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: 
Sex God
Quote by Sarah
I am very interested in the body casting £225
Is that the same as cover me in chocolate and feed me to the lesbians??????
I think we could arrange that for free! :lol:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: Sex God
Quote by HornyLittleBlonde
I am very interested in the body casting £225
Is that the same as cover me in chocolate and feed me to the lesbians??????
I think we could arrange that for free! :lol:
Sorry I've just had this bizarre vision of FB teaching a load of excited swingers how to make a paper mache mold of Sarah's bum :giggle:
:shock: It was the chocolate and lesbians bit we can do!
Happy to try the moulding though :twisted:
Sex God
Quote by westerross
I'm beginning to think that calling this a Swinging site is in fact misrepresentation. It is now just a commercial sex site.
Shows a total lack of understanding of what swinging is - but I guess it was always on the cards and will make someone a bit o' dosh...
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I agree Choonie, it's tacky tacky tacky. They'll be having ads for those adult phone lines next. :cry:
Any Business should always test the market, I'm guessing that the expenses receipts are quite substantial?
although judging by the following quote:
i'm guessing that all SH has done, is accept a companies offer of commission whenever an SH member links through and pays for a service
As PoloLady has pointed out, the rules state non commercial postings etc, does that now mean that the sites rules will now change?
although judging by the following quote:
Quote by admin
In the mean time, having taken on board your comments, I think that it is best that we review some of the services offered.
Any help suggesting some of the inappropriate activities will be greatly appreciated.
i'm guessing that all SH has done, is accept a companies offer of commission whenever an SH member links through and pays for a service
As PoloLady has pointed out, the rules state non commercial postings etc, does that now mean that the sites rules will now change?
Quote by Sarah
Louise
The most worrying thing IMO is that they state they inform the police.
Dear Mr Police man............
Martin,
I have always as a genuine swinger fought the corner for this site................But now sadly, :cry:
Sarah, that is truely worrying. Im afraid as I posted my previous reply I didnt get the full sp on what was happening. Now I do.
Btw, im shocked but you cant tell because my bloody emoticons wont work. So i'll grrrrrrrrrrr instead.
louise xx
Sex God
Quote by westerross
I'm beginning to think that calling this a Swinging site is in fact misrepresentation. It is now just a commercial sex site.
Shows a total lack of understanding of what swinging is - but I guess it was always on the cards and will make someone a bit o' dosh...
...Oh and it'll get rid of all those irritating people who do understand swinging as well.
Ah well...
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exactly.......I think there seems to be a lack of understanding to the difference between 'swinging' and 'the sex industry' going on here.
Quote by poshkate
I'm beginning to think that calling this a Swinging site is in fact misrepresentation. It is now just a commercial sex site.
Shows a total lack of understanding of what swinging is - but I guess it was always on the cards and will make someone a bit o' dosh...
...Oh and it'll get rid of all those irritating people who do understand swinging as well.
Ah well...
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exactly.......I think there seems to be a lack of understanding to the difference between 'swinging' and 'the sex industry' going on here.
Thats not right, as this is in 'About Us':
"Swinging Heaven is about you and about being a part of a friendly swinging community."
and this is in 'Is this a free site?'
"Because we care about swinging and the state of most 'swinging sites' out there, so here we are trying to make a difference."
there is no mention of gaining from being associated with companies that offer fee paying services
Orgasminator
:shock: hmm chatlines, for those of you that remember they were on every page when we took over SH. Believe it or not against popular belief we have put a lot of effort into this site and all the bits and pieces that make it tick. The first thing I wanted to do was remove all the chat services Orgy lines, Swinger sex lines, as well as premium rate lines for dogging services and uk phone sex lines.
So you see its not all about money now is it!.
Have a look on the internet archive dont take my word for it!.
Give these pages a minute to load
Just trying to update the shopping links to something that is a bit more fun and on topic! The toys are better quality and shipped from the UK, the Lingerie is better quality and is a UK company, and I want to get rid of the Adult DVDs link as well as that is surely for the quick shag brigade???.
These were all remains from the past life of the site.
When I went to erotica last year I met the chap with the gift experiences and some of them seemed like a lot of fun. Some people on here might want to try them some will not... only way to tell is to try the link for a little.
If you can think of other good outlets that we can promote let me know.
So you see its not all about money now is it!.
Have a look on the internet archive dont take my word for it!.
Give these pages a minute to load
Just trying to update the shopping links to something that is a bit more fun and on topic! The toys are better quality and shipped from the UK, the Lingerie is better quality and is a UK company, and I want to get rid of the Adult DVDs link as well as that is surely for the quick shag brigade???.
These were all remains from the past life of the site.
When I went to erotica last year I met the chap with the gift experiences and some of them seemed like a lot of fun. Some people on here might want to try them some will not... only way to tell is to try the link for a little.
If you can think of other good outlets that we can promote let me know.
Orgasminator
Can you imagine us advertising stuff like this one today
Martin
Thank you for posting such a well structured post and I do take on board some of your points.
I don't actually object to having a link from here to their site - as you've stated the site has always provided links to products & services.
I am more concerned about the Swinging Heaven logo and link appearing on a site that charges for sexual experiences.
We have discussed before how over pricing for single males entrance into clubs give the impression that they are guarenteed a shag and can make people uncomfortable when they become pushy in clubs.
Also I'm sure you know from research that swingers are often put off clubs that also have prostitutes in them as genuine swingers get approached as a "such thing".
I personally think that the site gives the impression that swinging/escort services & prostitution are the same thing and I'd be concerned about people joining this site having clicked the link from over there.
Thank you for posting such a well structured post and I do take on board some of your points.
I don't actually object to having a link from here to their site - as you've stated the site has always provided links to products & services.
I am more concerned about the Swinging Heaven logo and link appearing on a site that charges for sexual experiences.
We have discussed before how over pricing for single males entrance into clubs give the impression that they are guarenteed a shag and can make people uncomfortable when they become pushy in clubs.
Also I'm sure you know from research that swingers are often put off clubs that also have prostitutes in them as genuine swingers get approached as a "such thing".
I personally think that the site gives the impression that swinging/escort services & prostitution are the same thing and I'd be concerned about people joining this site having clicked the link from over there.
Sex God
uuummmm . . . not quoting, cos this is a general reply o.k?
linking to commercial sites of a sexual nature does not break AUP. top of the AUP, admin has this to say . . .
acceptable use applies to users. it don't apply to admin, never has applied to admin. been links to commercial sites of a sexual nature ever since i've been here. don't remember 'em being quite so crass, or quite so expensive either but hey, it was a long time ago, yeah? ;) for me, it's a none issue? 
as for banner ads linking to SH? i would be absolutely STUNNED if they weren't out there? given that the NOTW's bored with dogging footballers these days, how else could you account for our exponentially accelerating rise in memberships? don't really have a problem with it. at all. we're all pretty used by now to ignoring the TTT&T's. ((( tm Jags 2004 ))) mostly? we're also pretty bloody good these days at telling 'em exactly where they've come, what they've done, and where they can get off! :lol: no biggie. again, for me, a none issue.
i also believe, having done a bit of interweb marketting, that some sites explicitly allow you to link into them, and set up a click-through referrer payment system, with not much more than an exchange of banner ads and URL's? i may be wrong on that?
having said all that, without wishing to be at all argumentative, without wishing, in any way whatsoever, to fall into the trap of stating the bleedin' obvious, in the most constructive way possible . . .
if we link to a commercial site, with a banner ad linking back to us, that links to another commercial site, offering escort type services, is there any chance that they have, or might one day have, a link back to their referrer, the one we linked to and know has a link back to us, making a two-way street that we admittedly might want to wander up, but might not want their clients to wander down, and could that become a bit of a problem. not just for members, but for admin / moderators too?
it's a moot point, cos the links been pulled, but a point worth making all the same, maybe? ;)
neil x x x ;)
p.s. what choon said down there too! simultaneously on the same wavelength! ;)
linking to commercial sites of a sexual nature does not break AUP. top of the AUP, admin has this to say . . .
Your account shall be terminated immediately and we may report you to the relevant authority if your behaviour on our website consists of any of the following:
acceptable use applies to users. it don't apply to admin, never has applied to admin. been links to commercial sites of a sexual nature ever since i've been here. don't remember 'em being quite so crass, or quite so expensive either
but hey, it was a long time ago, yeah? ;) for me, it's a none issue? as for banner ads linking to SH? i would be absolutely STUNNED if they weren't out there? given that the NOTW's bored with dogging footballers these days, how else could you account for our exponentially accelerating rise in memberships? don't really have a problem with it. at all. we're all pretty used by now to ignoring the TTT&T's. ((( tm Jags 2004 ))) mostly? we're also pretty bloody good these days at telling 'em exactly where they've come, what they've done, and where they can get off! :lol: no biggie. again, for me, a none issue.
i also believe, having done a bit of interweb marketting, that some sites explicitly allow you to link into them, and set up a click-through referrer payment system, with not much more than an exchange of banner ads and URL's? i may be wrong on that?
having said all that, without wishing to be at all argumentative, without wishing, in any way whatsoever, to fall into the trap of stating the bleedin' obvious, in the most constructive way possible . . .
if we link to a commercial site, with a banner ad linking back to us, that links to another commercial site, offering escort type services, is there any chance that they have, or might one day have, a link back to their referrer, the one we linked to and know has a link back to us, making a two-way street that we admittedly might want to wander up, but might not want their clients to wander down, and could that become a bit of a problem. not just for members, but for admin / moderators too?
it's a moot point, cos the links been pulled, but a point worth making all the same, maybe? ;)
neil x x x ;)
p.s. what choon said down there too! simultaneously on the same wavelength! ;)
Sex God
Quote by Martin_M
:shock: hmm chatlines, for those of you that remember they were on every page when we took over SH. Believe it or not against popular belief we have put a lot of effort into this site and all the bits and pieces that make it tick. The first thing I wanted to do was remove all the chat services Orgy lines, Swinger sex lines, as well as premium rate lines for dogging services and uk phone sex lines.
So you see its not all about money now is it!.
Have a look on the internet archive dont take my word for it!.
Give these pages a minute to load
Just trying to update the shopping links to something that is a bit more fun and on topic! The toys are better quality and shipped from the UK, the Lingerie is better quality and is a UK company, and I want to get rid of the Adult DVDs link as well as that is surely for the quick shag brigade???.
These were all remains from the past life of the site.
When I went to erotica last year I met the chap with the gift experiences and some of them seemed like a lot of fun. Some people on here might want to try them some will not... only way to tell is to try the link for a little.
If you can think of other good outlets that we can promote let me know.
I'll hold me hand up to the Chatlines that were here before. I'd forgotten about that.
I think what people are really concerned about, inter alia, is the need for a reciprocal banner to be placed in what, I accept you say is a fun site, but which is also a sex site (inter alia) . The concern is that this will induce a tidal wave of tossers, wankers and quick shag merchants that will make the average swinger's life hell on here - particularly the single females. This is likely to blow the quality (as far as we're concerned) heart out of the place.
Just my take on it you understand.
So far I've got to say I think this place has improved since the take-over. But I wish all our long lost friends who didn't want to stay here would come back and make the place as lively as it was before. It's this sort of development that drove 'em away in the first place.
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Orgasminator
Horneylittlebabe
Thanks, firstly a lot of sites link to SH. Judging from the old style banner it looks as though it has been there for some time now. To put the record straight I had seen the gift idea in London and thought it was a good idea as there was some fun stuff that you could do.
I did not check every page of content on the site, nor have I on the Lingerie and Toys one. I have spoken to the owner of the Adult adventures site and we will see if we can remove or edit certain pages from their site from view from people who get there from this site.
Anyone who knows us knows we dont knowingly support escorts, paid sex, etc etc. I need someone to PM me and tell me what pages to get removed. I dont swing so I am not aware of the problems you just pointed out. I was acting in good faith with this site, there is some good stuff on there so lets just get it clear what will cause problems and I will work something satisfactory out with the owner before putting the link back..
Is that reasonable
Thanks, firstly a lot of sites link to SH. Judging from the old style banner it looks as though it has been there for some time now. To put the record straight I had seen the gift idea in London and thought it was a good idea as there was some fun stuff that you could do.
I did not check every page of content on the site, nor have I on the Lingerie and Toys one. I have spoken to the owner of the Adult adventures site and we will see if we can remove or edit certain pages from their site from view from people who get there from this site.
Anyone who knows us knows we dont knowingly support escorts, paid sex, etc etc. I need someone to PM me and tell me what pages to get removed. I dont swing so I am not aware of the problems you just pointed out. I was acting in good faith with this site, there is some good stuff on there so lets just get it clear what will cause problems and I will work something satisfactory out with the owner before putting the link back..
Is that reasonable
No Essex, the link we're talking about was a direct link (in the 'shopping' section, where the 2 red 'new!' signs are now for fun toys and lingerie
Martin -
sounds reasonable-ish to me :thumbup:
I really really wish you lot up there in the ivory towers would do some consultation work down here amongst the 'people' before actually making the 'improvements'. Everything you do affects 'us' and the way this all works - linking to a site you havent even fully checked out for yourselves let alone asked for oppinions on is just unacceptable really. We're just going over old ground again, because we had this conversation last time with the MissC issue and SHM.
The services offered by Adult Adventure are effectively escort services ffs - from 'foreplay tips' to 'dungeon experiences', 'make your own porno (and hire an actor)' and 'escorted visits to swingers clubs'.
Imo there's a huge difference between that & linking to an online store that sells vibrators.
Dark
Martin -
Quote by Martin_M
...I had seen the gift idea in London and thought it was a good idea as there was some fun stuff that you could do.
I did not check every page of content on the site, nor have I on the Lingerie and Toys one. I have spoken to the owner of the Adult adventures site and we will see if we can remove or edit certain pages from their site from view from people who get there from this site.
Anyone who knows us knows we dont knowingly support escorts, paid sex, etc etc. I need someone to PM me and tell me what pages to get removed. I dont swing so I am not aware of the problems you just pointed out. I was acting in good faith with this site, there is some good stuff on there so lets just get it clear what will cause problems and I will work something satisfactory out with the owner before putting the link back..
Is that reasonable
sounds reasonable-ish to me :thumbup:
I really really wish you lot up there in the ivory towers would do some consultation work down here amongst the 'people' before actually making the 'improvements'. Everything you do affects 'us' and the way this all works - linking to a site you havent even fully checked out for yourselves let alone asked for oppinions on is just unacceptable really. We're just going over old ground again, because we had this conversation last time with the MissC issue and SHM.
The services offered by Adult Adventure are effectively escort services ffs - from 'foreplay tips' to 'dungeon experiences', 'make your own porno (and hire an actor)' and 'escorted visits to swingers clubs'.
Imo there's a huge difference between that & linking to an online store that sells vibrators.
Dark
Sex God
martin, entirely!
somewhere the suggestion that the site would need drastic editing if you're gonna link back fell by the wayside. the idea's there anyway.
anything that links, however indirectly, to a site offering sex for money, or even the perception, however wrongheaded, of sex for money, is gonna be a problem
if they can somehow link back through referring sites to us, no matter how indirectly, that's gonna be a problem too. no problem at all with anything else. it's the link back from pay for sex sites that's the biggie, IMO?
neil x x x ;)
somewhere the suggestion that the site would need drastic editing if you're gonna link back fell by the wayside. the idea's there anyway.
anything that links, however indirectly, to a site offering sex for money, or even the perception, however wrongheaded, of sex for money, is gonna be a problem
if they can somehow link back through referring sites to us, no matter how indirectly, that's gonna be a problem too. no problem at all with anything else. it's the link back from pay for sex sites that's the biggie, IMO?
neil x x x ;)
Orgasminator
Its an old banner (probably pre takeover), it was never a link exchange lots of random sites link to us in one way or another or display banners to this site mainly because they use it and love it . I can understand your point but pysically I cant try to find, visit, and ask any site that someone might find offensive to remove a link or a banner, for starters last time I checked there were 1000s of them listed in the search engines. even if you could do that you would need to review every one of them regularly. I have communications opened with the Adult adventures site but that is as far as I can go really.
I dont think it is soley the site development that has made some of the old guard leave. People come people go, and a lot of them still use this site on the quiet . I have seen some of the splinter sites splinter themselves a few times now as well.
All in all everyone knows there is no place like home.. :P
. I can understand your point but pysically I cant try to find, visit, and ask any site that someone might find offensive to remove a link or a banner, for starters last time I checked there were 1000s of them listed in the search engines. even if you could do that you would need to review every one of them regularly. I have communications opened with the Adult adventures site but that is as far as I can go really.I dont think it is soley the site development that has made some of the old guard leave. People come people go, and a lot of them still use this site on the quiet
. I have seen some of the splinter sites splinter themselves a few times now as well. All in all everyone knows there is no place like home.. :P
Quote by Martin_M
Horneylittlebabe
Thanks, firstly a lot of sites link to SH. Judging from the old style banner it looks as though it has been there for some time now. To put the record straight I had seen the gift idea in London and thought it was a good idea as there was some fun stuff that you could do.
I did not check every page of content on the site, nor have I on the Lingerie and Toys one. I have spoken to the owner of the Adult adventures site and we will see if we can remove or edit certain pages from their site from view from people who get there from this site.
Anyone who knows us knows we dont knowingly support escorts, paid sex, etc etc. I need someone to PM me and tell me what pages to get removed. I dont swing so I am not aware of the problems you just pointed out. I was acting in good faith with this site, there is some good stuff on there so lets just get it clear what will cause problems and I will work something satisfactory out with the owner before putting the link back..
Is that reasonable
Martin
As I said, my concern is notthe people viewing from here and going there - it's people who view that site coming here.
Could you not just have a link from their main links page?
My concern is that the Swinging Heaven name is sponsoring paid for services on their Swinging Experiences page, thus giving the impression that swingers charge :shock:
Hopefully that makes a little more sense than my previous post
Orgasminator
Essex all the traffic from here jammed their site so, no it was correct.
Must of been all the keen people clicking away at all those pages
Same reason we have to work all night in the office some times as people keep hitting the site and clicking refresh until the boxes break!
Must of been all the keen people clicking away at all those pages
Same reason we have to work all night in the office some times as people keep hitting the site and clicking refresh until the boxes break!
Orgasminator
Like I said I can sort something out at the early part of next week. He is an ameanable guy he has not done anything on purpose, im sure he will be happy to help
Quote by HornyLittleBlonde
Like I said I can sort something out at the early part of next week. He is an ameanable guy he has not done anything on purpose, im sure he will be happy to help
I would be very grateful. And I'm sure Darkfire & Polo would join me in provided your ultimate SH Towers Dungeon experience
I better start saving then
Quote by HornyLittleBlonde
Like I said I can sort something out at the early part of next week. He is an ameanable guy he has not done anything on purpose, im sure he will be happy to help
I would be very grateful. And I'm sure Darkfire & Polo would join me in provided your ultimate SH Towers Dungeon experience
Let me just find my steel toecaps - I would have found them by now but I don't wear them often - I need to get out more!
