I (Jane)had a quick look at the site then Willbe comes along and looks over my shoulder and I explain the situation and show him the fantasies on offer to which he exclaims "KETCHUP fantasy" hahaha !!!!!!!!
No dear - get your eyes tested it says KIDNAP fantasy.
Jane now worries about Willbe's fantasies and hides the HP!
you're just not worth the inevitable ban Flower, sorry.
I don’t think either of you get it, the other persons point that is.
Dark and the Hens think/hope, SH is still the old SH community just under different management. Still with the old regulars, doing what has always been done in the same old way with the odd hiccup and blunder from time to time, caused by an inexperienced (in the ways of swingers) management failing to ask for and receive the wisdom of the wise.
Flower points out that this idyllic SH no longer exists, the site is a commercial venture where the views of the select few have very little impact at all on the running and future success of the enterprise. He is correct, but just as sad as you about it, don’t shoot the messenger.
The forumites are now a very small part of one site in a portfolio of interconnected sites and if the venture is to succeed, the sites will inevitably just get bigger and bigger, and the importance of the few smaller and smaller.
See it for what it is and will inevitably become, mourn the old SH if you will, but don’t be blinkered, we are not the be-all and end-all, that may have been true once but sadly the pound will always be the final arbitrator.
Stormy, I still cannot quote you- but I think I love you.
Leave Fire & lets run away together.
Erm......actually, lets scrap the leaving Fire bit.....:rascal:
I too remember the banners which were on the old site. However, is it not unreasonable that Mark be given a lot more scope when doing what he needed to do to keep the site here for anyone to use – lots of things were wrong back then… but it wasn’t a commercial venture.
Now it is a business, for me anyway, the goal posts have moved and I expect it to be run as a professional business.
I have no problem with the owners making money and doing things to make money – in fact I expect it.
It is when it is mixed with a dose of HTS (hard to swallow) ‘we care about you and the swinging lifestyle’ then yet again followed by an action which looks to be the opposite and demonstrates so little understanding.
I just wish they would choose one way or another – either they want to protect and preserve the general ethos of swinging (in which case they do need to listen, understand and take into account what their customers think)
Or
They want to do whatever they want without consideration and run their business as they see fit.
On a slightly side tracked note to the powers that be….
Imagine Marks & Sparks with all of their “this is not just food, this is M&S food” - why do they do that? Without using all of the jargon, it is so the customer can understand what M&S is all about, what it stands for…. blah blah blah.
You go into M&S expecting to pay more for food, but also expecting it to be something a bit special.
Do people who choose to shop at M&S Food generally complain to M&S about the price of the food? No, they expect the prices.
Let’s imagine an M&S buyer thinking that a job lot of cheap tomatoes will be a good bargain for the customer, especially if they can sell them at a lower price than Asda - but with the customers expectations being set by the strap line “this is not just food…” how do you think the customer will react to instead of finding organic sun-ripened on the vine finest quality italian cherry toms nicely presented in a tray, they get offered a brown paper bag with a mixture of under ripe, over ripe but generally OK assorted toms at a bargain price?
So the complaints poor in about “How the hell can I present those tomatoes to my friends when I have them round to an alfresco buffet style gathering?”
“Fucking ungrateful customers (thinks the buyer) I was just trying to do our customers a favour!”
It is not about the price or the quality of the tomatoes … it is about setting expectations for the customer and then living up to them.
My personal opinion - for what it's worth.
Ok so some people (members and Admin) think that many of the negative reactions are borne out of over inflated egos and the behaviour of hens.
I really don't see it like that.
An analogy if you will. I am a member of a Female to Male transgender website. I don't own that website, but if the owners started linking from at site that promised that you could "Shag a freak!" I would certainly have something to say about it!!!
They would be miss representing my ‘kind’ and me and I would find their behaviour deeply disrespectful and to show a lack of understanding.
For some people swinging is a lifestyle and how they define themselves. It's bad enough that the media portrays it as some depraved hobby only perpetrated by perverts and middle aged people desperate for sex with anyone, anywhere, anytime.
So don't be surprised that if you (SH) start to go down the road of perpetuating this thoroughly inaccurate image of what Swinging is, that people aren't going to have a problem with it and let you know about it!
We own the site :flipa: We'll do whatever we want to do with it :flipa: Take it or leave it :flipa: Fuck you :flipa:
can't say as i found owt to disagree with? 
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