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26 Sep 2006

Quote by Tania
Perhaps they are using the term 'professionals' in estate agents' speak to define anyone who is not on benefits or a blue collar worker? God, I've heard it often enough 'the landlord is seeking professional tenants' and when I couldn't understand, they explained to me, very kindly but a bit impatiently, that a housewife and a chef were not considered professional. Go figure!

whats wrong with people on benefits........or 'blue collar' workers........ dunno

I know plently of people who are on benifits for varing reasons but this would not make me think that they are any different to the friends of mine who are doctors, lawyers or acedemics.........same goes for 'blue collar' workers too........
also your post refers to letting agents not estate agents.......

26 Sep 2006

Quote by poshkate
Perhaps they are using the term 'professionals' in estate agents' speak to define anyone who is not on benefits or a blue collar worker? God, I've heard it often enough 'the landlord is seeking professional tenants' and when I couldn't understand, they explained to me, very kindly but a bit impatiently, that a housewife and a chef were not considered professional. Go figure!

whats wrong with people on benefits........or 'blue collar' workers........ dunno

I know plently of people who are on benifits for varing reasons but this would not make me think that they are any different to the friends of mine who are doctors, lawyers or acedemics.........same goes for 'blue collar' workers too........
also your post refers to letting agents not estate agents.......
No I think Tania was trying to help Master-Simon by guessing thats what the people who write the ads use the word professional to mean.
Did that make sense cos I'm confusing even myself now confused

26 Sep 2006

I have two degrees but am currently unemployed so I can't call myself 'professional'. I would consider myself to be middle class, not because I want to or because I aspire to but because I am. It annoys me when I read ads and can detect a huge amount of snobbery in them. It doesn't matter to me what people do for a living it matters to me who they are, thier personality and how they treat others.
H.x

26 Sep 2006

Since the introduction of Single Status within Local Authorities (where the majority of blue collar workers reside) the distinction between 'officers' and 'manual workers' no longer exists. Similarily police officers all wear white shirts now rather than the lower ranks wearing blue shirts (geddit) and the officer ranks white.
No matter what my role in life which pays me a salary no-one is SUPERIOR to me, some may be SENIOR to me in the organisation and I may have people working FOR me but no-one works BELOW me!! It's perception.
Many years ago in my home town of Glasgow there was a strike by the refuse collectors - that raised my admiration for the job they do and I would always give respect to them for keeping my street and my neighbourhood and my city clean. The so-called 'professional' brigade who spout superiority arenot worth the education they had. With education should come enlightenment (there was even a period in British historty called The Enlightenment because of the increase in educational opportunities ) and the Victorians worked hard at the education of the so called working classes.
Sanitation was increased, healthy homes built and schooling brought in for those in most need of learning to read and write - oh, I could rant for a long long time about this issue. Robert Owen, the Bournvilles etc (bum.. who built model village at Bradford???) and now we are STILL talking about socio-economic classes and where we fit into them?
Makes me spit......
<two spelling edits, and there's me doing a PhD too! Someone smack me!>

26 Sep 2006

Quote by firelizard
Perhaps they are using the term 'professionals' in estate agents' speak to define anyone who is not on benefits or a blue collar worker? God, I've heard it often enough 'the landlord is seeking professional tenants' and when I couldn't understand, they explained to me, very kindly but a bit impatiently, that a housewife and a chef were not considered professional. Go figure!

whats wrong with people on benefits........or 'blue collar' workers........ dunno

I know plently of people who are on benifits for varing reasons but this would not make me think that they are any different to the friends of mine who are doctors, lawyers or acedemics.........same goes for 'blue collar' workers too........
also your post refers to letting agents not estate agents.......
No I think Tania was trying to help Master-Simon by guessing thats what the people who write the ads use the word professional to mean.
Did that make sense cos I'm confusing even myself now confused

I was just asking the question as I can't actually see what difference it makes......... :dunno:

26 Sep 2006

Quote by H-x
I have two degrees but am currently unemployed so I can't call myself 'professional'. I would consider myself to be middle class, not because I want to or because I aspire to but because I am. It annoys me when I read ads and can detect a huge amount of snobbery in them. It doesn't matter to me what people do for a living it matters to me who they are, thier personality and how they treat others.
H.x

Well said that woman :thumbup:

26 Sep 2006

Quote by poshkate
Perhaps they are using the term 'professionals' in estate agents' speak to define anyone who is not on benefits or a blue collar worker? God, I've heard it often enough 'the landlord is seeking professional tenants' and when I couldn't understand, they explained to me, very kindly but a bit impatiently, that a housewife and a chef were not considered professional. Go figure!

whats wrong with people on benefits........or 'blue collar' workers........ dunno

I know plently of people who are on benifits for varing reasons but this would not make me think that they are any different to the friends of mine who are doctors, lawyers or acedemics.........same goes for 'blue collar' workers too........
also your post refers to letting agents not estate agents.......
No I think Tania was trying to help Master-Simon by guessing thats what the people who write the ads use the word professional to mean.
Did that make sense cos I'm confusing even myself now confused

I was just asking the question as I can't actually see what difference it makes......... :dunno:
Precisely hun! me neither what has profession got to do with sex!

26 Sep 2006

Letting agents/estate agents... it is all semantics. I have suffered discrimination for years and years and if I hear once more that their referencing agency won't give me enough points because of my 'situation' I will scream and attack them. LOL Whatever happened to common sense and intuition? Am I more likely to trash a house than a 'professional'? I think not! I don't pop champagne bottles and wet the ceiling or crash the pending light or whatever you call it in English. Plus I know that an iron is meant to be used on an ironing board, not on the carpet...
All it boils down to in our day and age is the HAVES and HAVE NOTS. I am sadly in the second category (no boyfriend... LOL) So if anyone wants to give me a shag lol

And as Jags very well points out, we should respect everyone in life, no matter what they do for a living.

26 Sep 2006

I must confess I am a bit of a snob about really bad spelling, especially when spelling professional wrong!
Something in me is dying to get my red pen out and correct all those profiles and ads with awful spelling in them.
(sorry all you dyslexics out there)
No, I'm not now, nor ever have been a teacher....
A well-penned profile or ad is quite a turn-on....

26 Sep 2006

Quote by Jags
Similarily police officers all wear white shirts now rather than the lower ranks wearing blue shirts (geddit) and the officer ranks white.
With education should come enlightenment (there was even a period in British historty called The Enlightenment because of the increase in educational opportunities ) and the Victorians worked hard at the education of the so called working classes.
<two spelling edits, and there's me doing a PhD too! Someone smack me!>

You missed some!

26 Sep 2006

Quote by Jags
Since the introduction of Single Status within Local Authorities (where the majority of blue collar workers reside) the distinction between 'officers' and 'manual workers' no longer exists. Similarily police officers all wear white shirts now rather than the lower ranks wearing blue shirts (geddit) and the officer ranks white.
No matter what my role in life which pays me a salary no-one is SUPERIOR to me, some may be SENIOR to me in the organisation and I may have people working FOR me but no-one works BELOW me!! It's perception.
Many years ago in my home town of Glasgow there was a strike by the refuse collectors - that raised my admiration for the job they do and I would always give respect to them for keeping my street and my neighbourhood and my city clean. The so-called 'professional' brigade who spout superiority arenot worth the education they had. With education should come enlightenment (there was even a period in British historty called The Enlightenment because of the increase in educational opportunities ) and the Victorians worked hard at the education of the so called working classes.
Sanitation was increased, healthy homes built and schooling brought in for those in most need of learning to read and write - oh, I could rant for a long long time about this issue. Robert Owen, the Bournvilles etc (bum.. who built model village at Bradford???) and now we are STILL talking about socio-economic classes and where we fit into them?
Makes me spit......
<two spelling edits, and there's me doing a PhD too! Someone smack me!>

:worship: :worship:
Terrific post Jags kiss

I'm not what people would call a "professional", the term I mean, a career person. I do my job, get paid - I do it to pay my mortgage and feed me n the girls (+cat rolleyes

). With a little bit left over for treats or the odd camping weekend away. My own personal reasons, I have absolutely no interest, desire, inclination, willpower or even the ability to do, what I would class, the "professional" thing..........
As Jags put it, I don't class professional people any better than I am, by the same token I don't class myself as any better than anyone - we just have different wants and needs in life.
But there again (just read angieyorkshires post before submitting this lol

), I too can be a dreadful snob about some things confused

Not about peoples lifestyles, more about peoples mannerisms :?

26 Sep 2006

Quote by angieyorkshire
I must confess I am a bit of a snob about really bad spelling, especially when spelling professional wrong!
Something in me is dying to get my red pen out and correct all those profiles and ads with awful spelling in them.
No, I'm not now, nor ever have been a teacher.....

I'm the same. I'm also a teacher though, for my sins.

26 Sep 2006

Quote by Jags
No matter what my role in life which pays me a salary no-one is SUPERIOR to me, some may be SENIOR to me in the organisation and I may have people working FOR me but no-one works BELOW me!! It's perception.

:thumbup:
That is exactly how I see it, I'm also equally polite and thankful to everyone I encounter, no matter what their 'status' is.

26 Sep 2006

Quote by poshkate

Another misuse of the term I heard was a the secretary at a company I used to work for, she had a serious plum this girl, she was saying to the other girls in the office how nice her new flat was, how nice the area was, surrounded by young professional types, she did look a bit miffed when i commented bet they are chuffed to have a clerk moving in then, she couldn't see it, she really classed herself as a professional, she could type quite fast though.......

I find this really offensive too .... but then I am that lowly secretary, who chose, despite having a good IQ not to go to university but to chose an admin job. Eighteen years on I'm PA to the MD of our company, who freely admits to not being able to do his job without me, because it's me that arranges his time and days and deals with everyone else in the company, it's me that points out errors in the company accounts and organises his Board Meeting Papers, it's me that arranges for everyone to get paid correctly.
It's me that took the qualifications and studied hard for the last 9 months to gain MOS qualifications in order to be able to do my job, and now have letters after my name to prove that I've carried out a course covering professional development. But I don't have that bit of paper that says I dicked around at uni and scraped through a simple degree, getting myself into debt! (apologies out there to others with degrees worth something)
But, hey you've never met me, spoken to me or actually are likely to now! as I'm obviously not a professional. I'm that lowly secretary who files her nails and isn't of a suitable social standing for you!
CRAP! ... professionalism is about how well you do your job, represent your company and deal with others. Being a professional is having the ability to carry that out.
Reminds me of that story about the brain, heart and asshole .... I'll happily find it if anyone wants it!
Cx

26 Sep 2006

Maybe this has been said as i havent read all of the thread but being profesional isn't about being educated but being at the top of what you do and doing it well.
IE
Profesional snooker players lots of them probably spent most of their school time in the snooker clubs and lots dont get any education untill they are older and have time to do it.

26 Sep 2006

Quote by H-x
I have two degrees but am currently unemployed so I can't call myself 'professional'. I would consider myself to be middle class, not because I want to or because I aspire to but because I am. It annoys me when I read ads and can detect a huge amount of snobbery in them. It doesn't matter to me what people do for a living it matters to me who they are, thier personality and how they treat others.
H.x

You need one more hun.....
:karaoke: OOOOOOh OOOOOOh babylove, my babylove......:karaoke:
bolt

26 Sep 2006

Quote by Master_Simon
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The way that you come across is that these so called unprofessional people are beneath the "professional" people. What gives you the right to judge these people? No matter if you have a degree or have climbed the ladder yourself to where you are it doesnt matter. If you work hard and are good at your chosen profession then i think you are professional.

If it appears that i want to belittle the lesser qualified people then please, stop!
I am trying to make the point that i despise people who call themselves professionals to make themselves feel better than say the burger flipper who may well have a masters, and I don't think I'm alone here, my point about the secretary who in this case was not over worked judging by how much time she spent filing her nails but thought she was above the others because she spoke with a plum.
As i said before, it is the way you say things like"she could type quite fast though", or time spent filing her nails". I understand that you may not have meant them to sound how they did, but on face value they do sound as if you dont think a secretary could be a professional.
You do need to leave out the personal digs that you put in with your replies.

26 Sep 2006

I was once a professional, not any more.
I was and remain working class...>a feeling within<
I have worked within several *professions*.. always doing the best I can...
I can't spell for toffee... and niether do I care, except where my current vocation has strict & correct guidelines >medication etc<
I feel I have a focused and dedicated approach to my work and my Service Users, I feel I have a position of responsability.... but does this make me a professional?...hmmm
>bottom of the ladder, me!<again!
Some may certainly feel themselves better than me.... But cannot call myself better than anyone else.
LP
londonprofessionalthing

26 Sep 2006

Please note I was not suggesting we are middle class far from it.
I was just suggesting some people use it as a sort of bench mark system

26 Sep 2006

Quote by Cossie
Please note I was not suggestiong we are middle class far from it.
I was just suggesting some people use it as a sort of bench mark system

actually I think I aught to put in a bit of a diclaimer here too...
nothing (really) against class or profession...
as others have said better than I...* you is what you is* and all that jazz...
However.. My experince, across a range of *professions* has coloured my view of the word in application to self, rather than viewed position in company/trade/society etc.
Sadly, Ive come across (again, wholey personal view through experience) one too many *professionals* who are out simpy to progress.. and *better* themselves with concern, and sometimes even no understanding of what the job the do may means to others and indeed how it may impact on other's lives.
But hey... whomever you may be... call yourself whatever you will....
I'll think no worse of you, honest...
... and Im sure youll all sleep better in your beds for that knowledge rolleyes

I know waht it is...
Im twiitter & bisted, aint I?
LP
londonpoorthing

26 Sep 2006

Quote by Jags
(bum.. who built model village at Bradford???)

Excellent post Jags - and it was Titus Salt (at Saltaire)
Mike.

26 Sep 2006

Quote by MikeNorth
(bum.. who built model village at Bradford???)
Excellent post Jags - and it was Titus Salt (at Saltaire)
Mike.

Thanks Mike.. was wracking my brains there and getting poor pickings. Of course it was Salt - now the buildings house Hockney's studio/space with a fabby cookshop on the ground floor. Saltaire!!
passionkiss

There is a really good model village round the Mill - more extensive than Robert Owen's at New Lanark though not as 'pretty'.
:bounce: kiss

26 Sep 2006

I once read that to call yourself professional you need to have letters after your name.
As a registered nurse , a teaching qualification and various other qualifications the letters now take up more space than my name :!:
Does that make me any better than anyone else? ,,, No way .
It just means that I found a career path with "letters"
If I had the worst and most poorly paid job in the land, would I be a different person, again, No way
Common as muck,, thats me

26 Sep 2006

I think the general idea of using 'professional' as a term in an advert is to suggest that you have complete trust and confidence in the advertisers, presumably as being people who will fulfill everything that you need from them. But who also expect anonymityand control of the proceedings.
Which is something you are more or less likely to instantly accept if you're in dire need of some imminent surgery or the likelihood of being banged up in a 8 by 12 in Sao Paolo. rolleyes

27 Sep 2006

Quote by Master_Simon
Hi all
I would like to raise the question, what do the descriptions people use to describe themselves actually say about them.
My gripe is the "professional, eg we are a professional couple"
I feel agrieved when i hear people describe themselves a professionals when in fact they may be managers, or sales-people, or similar, to me, being a professional isn't short for I don't get my hands dirty, it means a learned individual.
Any thoughts on this welcome, i have the asbestos underwear to protect me from the flames.
.

I cant be arsed to read the whole thread so if it's all sorted I mqay need those asbestos underwear lol

Professional in your words ................

To me, for someone to be classed as a true professional they will have sat in hgher education for a minimum of two years, and as such will have studied a profession.

My view......professional footballer (needs no years in higher education)
Professional golfer (needs no years in higher education)
Professional hitman (needs no years in higher education)
I spent 6 years at college have owned 3 companys of my own yet drive a truck and fix my own car, so does that make me a professional or not in your books ?
though I do have a super posh girl friend so I may be your term of professional by default :lol:
A professional is someone who does a good job simple as that its not a walk of life biggrin

27 Sep 2006

Quote by Jags
No matter what my role in life which pays me a salary no-one is SUPERIOR to me, some may be SENIOR to me in the organisation and I may have people working FOR me but no-one works BELOW me!! It's perception.

That just about sums up the way I feel about it as well smile

Back to Master_Simons' point, my 2pence worth is that while some careers and occupations are quite rightly considered "professions" ( doctors, teachers that sort of thing), surely any of us can be professional about our jobs ? My job requires confidentiallity which I am profesional about, a person who cooks Big Macs for a living needs to cook them to a certain standard and is, I am sure, professional about that.
Maybe these people who put "professional" in their adverts like some kind of tag are hoping that it will give them more credibility? As in, "Oh look, there's a professional couple, they are sure not to be timewasters"...
I think we all know that answer to that one ;)

bollox

27 Sep 2006

Not wanting to pour petrol on the fire but....
Isn't this the difference between whether you have a job or career?
I'm braced for incoming fire.

27 Sep 2006

Quote by BiWelshMinx
No matter what my role in life which pays me a salary no-one is SUPERIOR to me, some may be SENIOR to me in the organisation and I may have people working FOR me but no-one works BELOW me!! It's perception.

That just about sums up the way I feel about it as well smile

Back to Master_Simons' point, my 2pence worth is that while some careers and occupations are quite rightly considered "professions" ( doctors, teachers that sort of thing), surely any of us can be professional about our jobs ? My job requires confidentiallity which I am profesional about, a person who cooks Big Macs for a living needs to cook them to a certain standard and is, I am sure, professional about that.
Maybe these people who put "professional" in their adverts like some kind of tag are hoping that it will give them more credibility? As in, "Oh look, there's a professional couple, they are sure not to be timewasters"...
I think we all know that answer to that one ;)

bollox
:thumbup:

27 Sep 2006

Quote by keeno
Not wanting to pour petrol on the fire but....
Isn't this the difference between whether you have a job or career?
I'm braced for incoming fire.

No in-coming fire from me, just a question as to why a job can't also be a career ?
For example retail, is the person progressing from a sales assistant, to a Team Leader to a Manager not in a career?

27 Sep 2006

okay try this.........
Is Windows XP a thickie bog standard version of Windows XP 'Professional'
Or is 'Professional' a snooty highly qualified piece of software, that wouldn't dare associate with the standard version.
wink