And some people think I should be proud of Britain

3 Dec 2008

Quote by benrums0n
Hats off to Bromley Council for standing firm in the face of ridiculous protest from an old biddy. Bloody Rotarians.
I do hope they sent her and her ridiculous wheelbarrow packing with a flea in her ear and instructed their collection agents to begin proceedings.
They don't have to accept payments in this ridiculous manner. Bring back Thats Life so these coffin dodgers can have their say and the rest of us don't have to watch it.

Old biddy >>>> you will be one of them one day.
Coffin dodgers >>>> as above ^^^^

3 Dec 2008

Quote by Up_for_fun_2008
Last time I looked 1p's and 2p's were legal tendar in this country. So where is the problem. Is there something in your rule book that says fines should be paid in the least amount of notes possible.
Have to admit when i clicked the link i expected to see something horrendous. Cant see the point of sweating the small stuff.

The woman comitted an offence and was caught and punished for it. The legal system works, so what's the problem here? As the chart below states, if she offered the amount in 1p's and 2p's the council wouldn't legally have to accept it. That they did shows compassion to a stupid woman. Good for them.
Coin Maximum usable as legal tender in UK
£5 (post-1990 crown) unlimited
£2 unlimited
£1 unlimited
50p £10
25p (pre-1990 crown) £10
20p £10
10p £5
5p £5
2p 20p
1p 20p

3 Dec 2008

I wonder if horse manure would have been better spent pastered all over the wall of the council?
Would have been worth the extra money in fines!
As with most coucils no sorry all of them, they have found a further way to extort money from people via your car. Park anywhere and you will get a ticket.....I could give a list of reasons as to why it is obscene how they use all sorts to con money out of you..take your rubbish for example.
I thought the story was very funny indeed, and whilst she may be an old biddy, she is a clever old biddy. lol

3 Dec 2008

Also I saw this today which made me laugh, ideal for this thread I thought.
These are some of the great British things like a lot of others I could mention, that are either going or will go soon.
The very things most of us grew up with and are so recognisable.

3 Dec 2008

Quote by SlurpySarah
The woman comitted an offence and was caught and punished for it. The legal system works, so what's the problem here?

Where's the offence?
Maggie Gebbett, 63, was issued with the fine back in May after the pay and display ticket she had purchased peeled itself off her car's windscreen in hot weather and fell to the floor while she was attending a care for the elderly meeting.
Undeterred by the penalty notice, Mrs Gebbett of Chislehurst, Kent, wrote to Bromley Council's parking officers enclosing a photocopy of her ticket asking them to see sense and withdraw the charge incurred in South Street.
I can't see that the legal system has worked here.

3 Dec 2008

Quote by Cherrytree

The woman comitted an offence and was caught and punished for it. The legal system works, so what's the problem here?

Where's the offence?
Maggie Gebbett, 63, was issued with the fine back in May after the pay and display ticket she had purchased peeled itself off her car's windscreen in hot weather and fell to the floor while she was attending a care for the elderly meeting.
Undeterred by the penalty notice, Mrs Gebbett of Chislehurst, Kent, wrote to Bromley Council's parking officers enclosing a photocopy of her ticket asking them to see sense and withdraw the charge incurred in South Street.
I can't see that the legal system has worked here.
The clue's in "pay & display".
The offence wasn't in not paying, the offence was not displaying.
This is similar to offences related to tax disc display.
BTW not passing comment here on what she did, just on what they said she did and what they did her for.
I've been in a similar situation myself in the days before my blue badge. Luckily Stockport council were much more magnanimous than the tossers in Bromley council.

3 Dec 2008

Well I know that Bromley council is one of the worst in the country for parking tickets and the ammount they issue.
I used to work in that borough, and you would not believe some of the things that the little loves do, to get you a ticket.
Years ago there was some common sense, where they would give you a couple of minutes lee way, but not anymore. They will slap one on you as soon as they can.
As in that borough the more tickets they issue, the bigger their bonus will be. So it is not in their interest to do anything other than to give you a ticket.
Shame they did not still have half pennies, she could have deposited a truck load at the council....count that lot ya buggers. lol

3 Dec 2008

Seems to be a right money making scam to me!
Issue tickets from the P&D machine with dodgy glue so they fall off on the floor and you can then up the anti by issuing a fixed penalty..
Should be reported to Trading Standards..
Oooops, sorry they belong to the same outfit too.
Totalitarianism at it's best...
innocent

3 Dec 2008

Quote by GnV
Seems to be a right money making scam to me!
Issue tickets from the P&D machine with dodgy glue so they fall off on the floor and you can then up the anti by issuing a fixed penalty..
Should be reported to Trading Standards..
Oooops, sorry they belong to the same outfit too.
Totalitarianism at it's best...

Yes when they have an internal investigation, they investigate themselves. :shock:
A bit like when you want planning permission for a shed, they discuss it and then tell you yes or no. When they want to build something they discuss it amongst themselves and always say yes.
Seems a very democratic way to do things myself. lol

3 Dec 2008

Quote by Peanut

The woman comitted an offence and was caught and punished for it. The legal system works, so what's the problem here?

Where's the offence?
Maggie Gebbett, 63, was issued with the fine back in May after the pay and display ticket she had purchased peeled itself off her car's windscreen in hot weather and fell to the floor while she was attending a care for the elderly meeting.
Undeterred by the penalty notice, Mrs Gebbett of Chislehurst, Kent, wrote to Bromley Council's parking officers enclosing a photocopy of her ticket asking them to see sense and withdraw the charge incurred in South Street.
I can't see that the legal system has worked here.
The clue's in "pay & display".
The offence wasn't in not paying, the offence was not displaying.
This is similar to offences related to tax disc display.
BTW not passing comment here on what she did, just on what they said she did and what they did her for.
I've been in a similar situation myself in the days before my blue badge. Luckily Stockport council were much more magnanimous than the tossers in Bromley council.
She didn't 'commit an offence' - that would require intent. She didn't even make a mistake. She was the victim of an unfortunate event, which presumably happened when she wasn't even present, triggered by a) warm weather and b) possibly inadequate quality gum on the ticket.
Assuming she was telling the truth (I have not particular reason to assume otherwise) I reckon she was treated harshly by the council since she certainly paid for the ticket (and could prove it) and did not have any intent of dodging the parking fee.

3 Dec 2008

Quote by foxylady2209

The woman comitted an offence and was caught and punished for it. The legal system works, so what's the problem here?

Where's the offence?
Maggie Gebbett, 63, was issued with the fine back in May after the pay and display ticket she had purchased peeled itself off her car's windscreen in hot weather and fell to the floor while she was attending a care for the elderly meeting.
Undeterred by the penalty notice, Mrs Gebbett of Chislehurst, Kent, wrote to Bromley Council's parking officers enclosing a photocopy of her ticket asking them to see sense and withdraw the charge incurred in South Street.
I can't see that the legal system has worked here.
The clue's in "pay & display".
The offence wasn't in not paying, the offence was not displaying.
This is similar to offences related to tax disc display.
BTW not passing comment here on what she did, just on what they said she did and what they did her for.
I've been in a similar situation myself in the days before my blue badge. Luckily Stockport council were much more magnanimous than the tossers in Bromley council.
She didn't 'commit an offence' - that would require intent. She didn't even make a mistake. She was the victim of an unfortunate event, which presumably happened when she wasn't even present, triggered by a) warm weather and b) possibly inadequate quality gum on the ticket.
Assuming she was telling the truth (I have not particular reason to assume otherwise) I reckon she was treated harshly by the council since she certainly paid for the ticket (and could prove it) and did not have any intent of dodging the parking fee.
not all offences require "intent". They are called "strict liability offences".
This is one such example of a strict liability offence. ie failure to display.

3 Dec 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
I wonder if horse manure would have been better spent pastered all over the wall of the council?
Would have been worth the extra money in fines!
snip...

There have been a few instances in France of late where aggrieved farmers have dumped huge loads of cow dung or similar over the steps of official residencies...
Of course, no-one can identify who did it :shock:
Even with a battalion of Gendarme looking on wink

3 Dec 2008

Quote by GnV
I wonder if horse manure would have been better spent pastered all over the wall of the council?
Would have been worth the extra money in fines!
snip...

There have been a few instances in France of late where aggrieved farmers have dumped huge loads of cow dung or similar over the steps of official residencies...
Of course, no-one can identify who did it :shock:
Even with a battalion of Gendarme looking on wink

Well lets be fair.....it's hard to spot...no ? :wink:

3 Dec 2008

Quote by GnV
I wonder if horse manure would have been better spent pastered all over the wall of the council?
Would have been worth the extra money in fines!
snip...

There have been a few instances in France of late where aggrieved farmers have dumped huge loads of cow dung or similar over the steps of official residencies...
Of course, no-one can identify who did it :shock:
Even with a battalion of Gendarme looking on wink

It's happened here too:

3 Dec 2008

Quote by essex34m
I wonder if horse manure would have been better spent pastered all over the wall of the council?
Would have been worth the extra money in fines!
snip...

There have been a few instances in France of late where aggrieved farmers have dumped huge loads of cow dung or similar over the steps of official residencies...
Of course, no-one can identify who did it :shock:
Even with a battalion of Gendarme looking on wink

It's happened here too:

That made my day that one. lol

I wonder what the outcome was?

3 Dec 2008

I understand there is no minimum limit to the legitimate value of a cheque. She could have written them 80 cheques for £1. And that's better than 8000 for 1p each (which may be taking the mick just a tad too far).
biggrin

:D:D:D:D:D:D

3 Dec 2008

Quote by foxylady2209
I understand there is no minimum limit to the legitimate value of a cheque. She could have written them 80 cheques for £1. And that's better than 8000 for 1p each (which may be taking the mick just a tad too far).
:D:D:D:D:D:D

About as far as making someone pay a fine for the reasons she gave? dunno

3 Dec 2008

Wonders why she did'nt put the parking ticket on the inside of the car??

3 Dec 2008

Quote by dekntan
Wonders why she did'nt put the parking ticket on the inside of the car??

I think she did - it fell down inside out of sight.

3 Dec 2008

Quote by foxylady2209
Wonders why she did'nt put the parking ticket on the inside of the car??

I think she did - it fell down inside out of sight.
Ah I thought it was stuck to the outside :undecided:

3 Dec 2008

I got away with a ticket once.
I drove into a pay and display car park and did not have any change so I thought I would only be five mins.
On my return I had a ticket and no sign of the warden.....they like ghosts. lol

It was one of the car parks where at that time you did not have to put your reg number in. Just then a lady came up to me and said I could have her ticket which still had 15 mins to go on it.
I then took a copy of that ticket and sent it with a letter to the council. Hey presto they let me off. :lol:
Now all car parks in this borough have a meter where you have to put your reg number in, maybe to stop this from happening, or from somebody else giving you their ticket....they know all the scams but at least I beat the system once. :lol:

3 Dec 2008

Varca I am disgusted by your post.

3 Dec 2008

I think we can all appreciate the feelings of the woman. We have all been 'done' by the traffic wardens. But some time later once one has calmed down and looked at the facts, more often than not the driver has committed the 'offence',; and has to accept that the penalty is valid.
I think it was a heart felt plea but an unnecesary stunt to perform. After all she was accepting the validity of the penalty by turning up to pay it.

3 Dec 2008

Quote by duncanlondon
I think we can all appreciate the feelings of the woman. We have all been 'done' by the traffic wardens. But some time later once one has calmed down and looked at the facts, more often than not the driver has committed the 'offence',; and has to accept that the penalty is valid.
I think it was a heart felt plea but an unnecesary stunt to perform. After all she was accepting the validity of the penalty by turning up to pay it.

No she wasn't, she was saving herself a further penalty of £40. In no way does submitting to a legally enforced punishment indicate the acceptance of the validity of that punishment. It may well be motivated by fear of the consequences.

3 Dec 2008

Quote by essex34m
They may have misread the article altogether, judging by the spelling

Who died and made you Freckledbird?

I'm so dead....

:smackbottom: :smackbottom:
I'm being very quiet - been told in PM that I am pissing people off by 'swooping in and making comments' rolleyes

3 Dec 2008

Quote by Freckledbird
They may have misread the article altogether, judging by the spelling

Who died and made you Freckledbird?

I'm so dead....

:smackbottom: :smackbottom:
I'm being very quiet - been told in PM that I am pissing people off by 'swooping in and making comments' rolleyes

You can swoop by me anytime lovely :rascal:

3 Dec 2008

Quote by essex34m
People go to Wigan !? :shock:

I have been twice, I got a nosebleed I was that high up the country.
Oi, pack it in the pair of you! There is nothing wrong with Wigan...
well, its not that bad...
Ive seen worse places...
just cant remember when confused

(and before anyone complains, I live here, so Im allowed to knock it) wink

3 Dec 2008

Quote by foxylady2209
I think we can all appreciate the feelings of the woman. We have all been 'done' by the traffic wardens. But some time later once one has calmed down and looked at the facts, more often than not the driver has committed the 'offence',; and has to accept that the penalty is valid.
I think it was a heart felt plea but an unnecesary stunt to perform. After all she was accepting the validity of the penalty by turning up to pay it.

No she wasn't, she was saving herself a further penalty of £40. In no way does submitting to a legally enforced punishment indicate the acceptance of the validity of that punishment. It may well be motivated by fear of the consequences.
I suppose there is something to appeal to the 'rebel' in that line of thinking. There's always mind over matter etc. to help soften the blow. One may convince oneself of one's innocence but does that not often prove to be a futile gesture?
I think the offence would be 'failure to display a valid ticket', making it a simple enough case to accept responsibility. But as I said I think we all 'feel' for the woman's unfortunate experience.
I think she was really upset by the 'unfairness' of it all and became determined to pursue this as a way of removing the experience or at least some kind of compensation for having undergone something she considered she didn't deserve.
But as I said before, I think most motorists accept that these situations and many others occur and they are subjected to discriminatory decision making; and accept the penalty.

3 Dec 2008

Quote by Freckledbird
They may have misread the article altogether, judging by the spelling

Who died and made you Freckledbird?

I'm so dead....

:smackbottom: :smackbottom:
I'm being very quiet - been told in PM that I am pissing people off by 'swooping in and making comments' rolleyes

I presume you are joking FB? dunno

You " swoop in " as much as you like...everybody else seems too. wink

I wish I would get a PM like that FB, I could really say what I liked then. lol

You keep posting. x

3 Dec 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
They may have misread the article altogether, judging by the spelling

Who died and made you Freckledbird?

I'm so dead....

:smackbottom: :smackbottom:
I'm being very quiet - been told in PM that I am pissing people off by 'swooping in and making comments' rolleyes

I presume you are joking FB? dunno

You " swoop in " as much as you like...everybody else seems too. wink

I wish I would get a PM like that FB, I could really say what I liked then. lol

You keep posting. x
Nope, not joking at all.