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Quote by RedHot

You ever been in a similar situation, didn't know what to do?
I got married when I was 21 years old and I didn't know shit about life.
You don't know enough to call me lowlife mate.

Getting married at a young age has got jack all to do with it confused
Jon and I got married when we I was 18 and he 21. Being married and having a family would soon make you grow up and learn about life I can tell you. 24 years later we are still happily married cool
As for us knowing enough about you to make judgements . . . I feel that we do indeed know as much as we need about you :dry:
Tracy-Jayne
Perhaps you weren't as dumb as I was at that age.
It doesn't really matter now, what's done is done. I would love to have the chance to make up to her, but it's far too late now. I should have told you all the facts in my first post, everything I say now would look like an excuse and I don't want to make excuses. I know it was wrong and I'm sure I'm not the only person who made a mistake, I'm just honest and stupid enough to admit it, thinking that people would try to understand.
Quote by kingarthur
Perhaps you weren't as dumb as I was at that age.
It doesn't really matter now, what's done is done.

Maybe I was, maybe I wasn't, but one thing is for sure, if you felt *grown up* enough to get married in the first place, perhaps you could have *pretended* to be grown up properly and told your wife you were leaving her for good :dry:
You never know, she would probably have been so pleased that she would have hung out some balloons and banners.
She may even have given you your fare back home to your mother's apron strings until you had finished growing up flipa
Tracy-Jayne
Some food for thought - for every oneof us:
Perception
a personal reality created by the activity of information processing
Misperception
a personal reality created by the activity of selective information processing (branding & labels)
Stereotypes & prejudice
Stereotypical thinking (prejudice) is a labour saving device, it enables you to form an opinion without having to dig up the facts
sad
Bloke,
thanks mate, but don't get yourself into trouble for me.
Quote by kingarthur
Bloke,
thanks mate, but don't get yourself into trouble for me.

I won't/wouldn't and I'm not siding with anyone here, just trying to add a different perspective.
However, I do feel that on a day when we slate the NOTW for bias and judgement we do exactly the same ourselves (now I sound like I'm at work and it's Sunday FFS).
Quote by Bloke2005
Bloke,
thanks mate, but don't get yourself into trouble for me.

I won't/wouldn't and I'm not siding with anyone here, just trying to add a different perspective.
However, I do feel that on a day when we slate the NOTW for bias and judgement we do exactly the same ourselves (now I sound like I'm at work and it's Sunday FFS).
It is true people can be quick to judge on limited information. However, this instance there is all the info I need.
FACTS: a person was in a SERIOUS relationship, walked away without telling the other person and left them waiting. Blamed their actions on being young and not wanting to hurt the other person's feelings (that one is a f*cking classic) and so did the most cruel, selfish and spinless thing they could.
Quote by Bloke2005
Bloke,
thanks mate, but don't get yourself into trouble for me.

I won't/wouldn't and I'm not siding with anyone here, just trying to add a different perspective.
However, I do feel that on a day when we slate the NOTW for bias and judgement we do exactly the same ourselves (now I sound like I'm at work and it's Sunday FFS).
i think the problem in the case of kingarthur and what you especially said about "perception" and "misperception" is that he has given us all the information, from the horses mouth so to speak..... if we were getting the information 3rd hand then you would have a valid point....but since the source has given us the info, i think that the people how have used that information to make their own judgements ar perfectly valid.....
sean xxxxxxx
Quote by fabio grooverider
Bloke,
thanks mate, but don't get yourself into trouble for me.

I won't/wouldn't and I'm not siding with anyone here, just trying to add a different perspective.
However, I do feel that on a day when we slate the NOTW for bias and judgement we do exactly the same ourselves (now I sound like I'm at work and it's Sunday FFS).
i think the problem in the case of kingarthur and what you especially said about "perception" and "misperception" is that he has given us all the information, from the horses mouth so to speak..... if we were getting the information 3rd hand then you would have a valid point....but since the source has given us the info, i think that the people how have used that information to make their own judgements ar perfectly valid.....
sean xxxxxxx
Thanks Sean but we don't have allof the information at all. As PoloLady said - 'she' has enough information and has made her mind up based on that and has the right to do so. Our own experience and past affects all of the decisions we make in our future.
In the same way that we wouldn't and couldn't expect a jury to pass sentence without hearing from both the defendent and the prosecution, we can't really judge here. For example:
The Defence:
"And can we ask, Mr Arthur, why you felt that you were unable to tell your wife that you were leaving?"
Mr Arthur
"Yes - she beat me twice a day and was having 3 extra-marital affairs..."
What perception would the jury now have of who the victimwas?
The point is, you don't know ALL the facts.
Like I said before, it would have made a big difference if I came out with all the facts in my first post.
Looks like I got myself into trouble by telling you all how stupid I was, but c'est la vie.
I was being honest because people on here looked really nice and friendly, now I'm getting slaughtered.
Perhaps I shouldn't have been so open, we would still be one big, happy family
Quote by kingarthur
The point is, you don't know ALL the facts.
Like I said before, it would have made a big difference if I came out with all the facts in my first post.

Actually yes I do. You just pm'd them to me, but it changes my opinion not one jot.
In fact if anything, your leaving her in *that* situation is worse than I could have imagined it to be evil
Now be a good boy and run along . . .
T-J
Quote by RedHot
The point is, you don't know ALL the facts.
Like I said before, it would have made a big difference if I came out with all the facts in my first post.

Now be a good boy and run along . . .
T-J
Tracy-Jayne
That's rude and patronising and think better done in PM than on here. I'm having several conversations on PM about this right now that I don't need to share the jist of.
Quote by Bloke2005
The point is, you don't know ALL the facts.
Like I said before, it would have made a big difference if I came out with all the facts in my first post.

Now be a good boy and run along . . .
T-J
Tracy-Jayne
That's rude and patronising
And your point is confused:
T-J
Quote by Scandal
The point is, you don't know ALL the facts.

You asked a question:
Quote by kingarthur
Would you play with someone like me?
I'm officially married, but haven't seen my wife for 3 years now.

You then offered specific information to the forum.
If you can't remember what it is, go back and read your threads.
Now you say people on here are wrong for judging you the way they have on the information you provided.
Who's fault is that?
Wakey wakey !
Scandal
So are we now judging him based on what he did or on the fact that he asked a question, based on limited information which, I agree is a daft thing to do?
What was the question? Anyone fancy a beer?! confused
Quote by RedHot
The point is, you don't know ALL the facts.
Like I said before, it would have made a big difference if I came out with all the facts in my first post.

Now be a good boy and run along . . .
T-J
Tracy-Jayne
That's rude and patronising
And your point is confused:
T-J
Just that.... like I said, some things are better done in PM
That's rude and patronising .....

And what is walking out on your wife and only having the bollocks to say you are going away for a week? dunno
Two wrongs don't make a right flipa
:P
Quote by Bloke2005
Just that.... like I said, some things are better done in PM

<sighs> Yes Dad . . . rolleyes confused
T-J
Quote by RedHot

Just that.... like I said, some things are better done in PM

<sighs> Yes Dad . . . rolleyes confused
T-J
lol okay, okay, sorry - and that made me laugh.. I'm a good guy and just thought he got a bit of a roasting and seemed like an okay bloke..
biggrin
Bloke, your partner says "popping down to pub for a few" and aint back that night, or the next day, what do you do, start trying the phone, no answer.., check with BiBs to see if been arrested, nope.... check hospitals for unidentified admissions, no joy.................
end of that day an still nothing, you crawling up the wall yet with worry, I know I would be
What came into my mind was what if his "wife" had found someone new and couldn't move forward with this new relationship ... if you're going to dump someone like that then at least get the divorce out of the way so the other person can get on with life.
C x
Quote by Calista
What came into my mind was what if his "wife" had found someone new and couldn't move forward with this new relationship ... if you're going to dump someone like that then at least get the divorce out of the way so the other person can get on with life.
C x

KA says in one of his posts that he has had no contact with his wife since he left her, so I'm not entirely sure there is a divorce. It appears at present that they are both living in limbo, although he may correct me on this point dunno sad
T-J
Quote by kristof
you crawling up the wall yet with worry, I know I would be

I'm glad you care so much for him - I do too lol
Yes, I'd be worried of course - although he has been known to disappear for the odd weekend now and then only to be found with his legs sticking out of a bush in a dazed state of vodka hang over on a Sunday afternoon - but that was a long time ago..
My point was more about ALL of the facts but we've done this one to death and KA is, as we speak in some A&E department being treated for his stoning wounds :shock:
I'm sure he'll be back with a new name, a new avatar and we'll never know...
Quote by RedHot
What came into my mind was what if his "wife" had found someone new and couldn't move forward with this new relationship ... if you're going to dump someone like that then at least get the divorce out of the way so the other person can get on with life.
C x

KA says in one of his posts that he has had no contact with his wife since he left her, so I'm not entirely sure there is a divorce. It appears at present that they are both living in limbo, although he may correct me on this point dunno sad
T-J
This is my point T-J ... if there is no interest then surely divorce is the right thing to do? Leaving someone in limbo is surely cruel?
C
Quote by Calista
This is my point T-J ... if there is no interest then surely divorce is the right thing to do? Leaving someone in limbo is surely cruel?
C

It most certainly is evil
It would seem that he is not actively trying to seek a divorce either . . .
Quote by kingarthur
It doesn't really matter now, what's done is done.
:shock: :shock:
I won't divulge what he has told me in pm about the situation, but suffice to say, it only served to make me even more angry than I had been by his post :evil:
I have no problems at all with married men swinging/cheating or whatever you choose to call it.
What I do have a problem with is someone like KA, who admits to not being very grown up and then proceeds to come onto a swingers site, hoping we can help him grow up and learn about life blink
I wasn't aware that this site was a kindergarten as well rolleyes
I'll say no more on this as we are now going round and round with it. I'm sure he knows the score as far as what some of the members think of him :roll:
T-J
Just a thought………..
Guys who are married and come on here and admit to cheating on their partners are THICK!!
Straight away they alienate a large number of members and often are subjected to criticism.
Now, what they should do is say that they are single/divorced etc. Get known on the forum, go to a munchie, get invited to a party and if they behave themselves they will probably get sex.
What they actually do is come on to the site and say “at least I’m honest” We know they’re not honest because they admit to wanting to cheat.
(I don’t condone such behaviour)
My point is – there could be single guys on here who have been a little bit clever.
Well, I've not read KA's original post, so what I have to say is not related to that. I've been thinking about the question that started all this "Are married men outcasts?"
OK - easy answer - if you were outcasts then the moment you said on here "I am married and my husband/wife does not know I am here" you would be banned.
So no, you are not outcasts, and in that context the question is rediculous. So, what was the question talking about. Given the nature of the discussion following - it can only be one thing: Why are there some swingers that will reject the idea of swinging with married men/women without taking the time to get to know them and making that decision based on the individual, not on his/her marital status?
Our personal answer is this:
We are not defined by being swingers. Kit and I have a set of personal attitudes and values which allow us to swing as a couple. We did not get those values from swinging, we brought them with us. One of those values is: We do not do anything outside of our marriage. When we swing, we are bringing other people into our relationship, not excluding each other from it.
We are not able to swing with someone behind their partners back without feeling guilt. That guilt will spoil things for us. So we choose not to do it.
Side issues: When a man or woman comes on here saying "I am married, love my partner, and do not want to hurt them for the world, but I need something a bit extra which he/she cannot give" . This leaves me wanting to ask the question "If you were getting your bit extra at home, would you be looking to swing? I love Kit dearly. When I watch someone shagging her, male or female, it will not be because she is some sort of second rate stand in.
Second side issue: Hypothetical situation: Kit and I decide to break the rules for once because we are really turned on by a married man that we chat to. His wife finds out. He loves his wife, and would do anything to avoid the break up of the marriage. So he asks:
"What can I do to fix this?"
Her answer "Tell me who it is, because I want to make them suffer"
He loves her. Is he going to stand by his wife or his swinging partners?
Third side issue: I recently had a good friend talk to me about an affair she was having. She knew I would strongly disapprove, if fact, the reason she spoke to me was because she wanted me to tell her to stop. She also knew that I the fact that I knew about her affair would not affect the way I thought about her. She is still my friend, she is not an outcast. The disapproval Kit and I feel about affairs, cheating, playing away, whatever you want to call it, is something that is a constant with our non-swinging friends, and with out swinging friends. It is also a constant that we would not allow that affair, cheating, playing away to affect our friendships.
lhk
Kat
OK - caught up now
Quote by gailen
you know all i ever wanted from this thread was for some people to stop having a pop at married men on here.i and every other married men have as much right to be on here as you or anybody else.i dont critise other peoples misgivings or beliefs and never will.
Gailen, deal with it. There are those that do not feel that married men have ANY RIGHT AT ALLto be on here. It is not everyone that feels that way, probably not even a majority. But those that do have every right to feel that way, and every right to say how they feel when asked. It is not having a pop.
I dont have to prove that Married men are treated differently - because its there for all to see.
See my answer above. Yes, married men are treated differently, It is not everyone that feels that way but etc etc etc.
But i am entitled to my opinions as much as anyone.
So are those that you do not agree with.
This is my last posting!
Bugger, I wish he had put this bit first, I would have stopped reading! confused
I just re-read my original post and realize that I may have been a bit unclear with respect to the involvement of the partner. Our aim in meeting both is not to get third-party consent, but rather to determine whether both partners would play as a couple (which is something we'd no doubt ask of the individual before requesting the meet with their "other half"). If it turned out that both didn't play together, as we do, we'd give it a miss...as we wouldn't want to swing with one member of a couple where the other wasn't involved, regardless of anyone's consent. Hope this clarifies...
This will probably not help - but I truly understand this, and from what I know of you from your posts Reese, is an honest statement of your position.
Which must mean you are talking bollocks! lol :lol:
Anyway, as my final comment. Kit and I enjoy the contribution that married men and women make to this site - even when they are here without their partners knowledge and consent. We will never shag you - but then, if that is what is most important to you then you are in the wrong place. dunno
lhk
Kat
P.S. - final comment does not mean we are disappearing again, just that I am off to do some flirting until the next thread on this subject.
Quote by Happy Cats
Just a thought………..
Guys who are married and come on here and admit to cheating on their partners are THICK!!
Straight away they alienate a large number of members and often are subjected to criticism.
Now, what they should do is say that they are single/divorced etc. Get known on the forum, go to a munchie, get invited to a party and if they behave themselves they will probably get sex.
What they actually do is come on to the site and say “at least I’m honest” We know they’re not honest because they admit to wanting to cheat.
(I don’t condone such behaviour)
My point is – there could be single guys on here who have been a little bit clever.

And some of them do exactly that. Go to a munch as a single bloke, behave well, meet single women, go to a club afterwards, worm their way into said single female's life, have her fall in love with them and lie all the way through a relationship.
I for one would much prefer the married/attached men to be honest, and I do appreciate it when they are. My example above may seem far fetched, but it happened to me and it was horrible. I wouldn't wish that on anyone else evil