Are people raised by single parents more hard workng than ..

2 Aug 2008

Quote by Steve
Phuckers, genuine question- were you raised by one or two parents?

am brought up by two lovely parents,but the reason i ask is in my childhood i watched this kids who lost their dad,their mum struggled to bring them up but despite everything being against them they turn out to be very hard working and successful....
Do you consider yourself hardworking? If you do, and your friends were too, then you have samples from each type of family. Both have turned out to be hardworking.
Doesn't that indicate that the number of "present parents" isn't the deciding factor? :dunno:
That's all well and good but to work that out would take powers of deduction
i think my observation might be wrong according to think govt. report

2 Aug 2008

Quote by Phuckers
Phuckers, genuine question- were you raised by one or two parents?

am brought up by two lovely parents,but the reason i ask is in my childhood i watched this kids who lost their dad,their mum struggled to bring them up but despite everything being against them they turn out to be very hard working and successful....
Do you consider yourself hardworking? If you do, and your friends were too, then you have samples from each type of family. Both have turned out to be hardworking.
Doesn't that indicate that the number of "present parents" isn't the deciding factor? :dunno:
That's all well and good but to work that out would take powers of deduction
i think my observation might be wrong according to think govt. report

That's an unexpected turn of events. I'm truly shocked.

2 Aug 2008

But surveys are only as good as those that are surveyed...
They can't have asked every single family in the UK so the results are not a complete picture....

2 Aug 2008

Quote by Phuckers
Phuckers, genuine question- were you raised by one or two parents?

am brought up by two lovely parents,but the reason i ask is in my childhood i watched this kids who lost their dad,their mum struggled to bring them up but despite everything being against them they turn out to be very hard working and successful....
Do you consider yourself hardworking? If you do, and your friends were too, then you have samples from each type of family. Both have turned out to be hardworking.
Doesn't that indicate that the number of "present parents" isn't the deciding factor? :dunno:
That's all well and good but to work that out would take powers of deduction
i think my observation might be wrong according to think govt. report

Interesting link Phuckers :thumbup:

3 Aug 2008

No offense but..... What a load of bollox!....
Kids do better when bought up by 2 parents blah blah.... They only do better if the parents teach them respect for others and that the world does not owe them something. I dont care if it's one parent, 2 parents be it a hetro relationship (married or co-habiting) or a same sex relationship, it is all about the views of the people who are bringing them up.
Let's face it, children learn by example so lower, middle or upper class matters not a jot provided they have the right role models smile

3 Aug 2008

Quote by anais
I think it depends on the Child, the parents, the environment around them, educational standards, opportunities, a whole host of things or outside influences could have impact on a child. It doesn't matter what the family circumstances are....
I've seen young people from all walks of life make amazing achievements early on in life...

:doh: I could have saved myself some typing :lol2:

3 Aug 2008

Quote by Steve
But surveys are only as good as those that are surveyed...
They can't have asked every single family in the UK so the results are not a complete picture....

what are you to dispute the report if your first reaction to this thread was a simple NO...you cant always have your cake both ways

3 Aug 2008

Quote by Shireen
I think it depends on the Child, the parents, the environment around them, educational standards, opportunities, a whole host of things or outside influences could have impact on a child. It doesn't matter what the family circumstances are....
I've seen young people from all walks of life make amazing achievements early on in life...

:doh: I could have saved myself some typing :lol2:
Oooo hello wave

long time no see kiss

3 Aug 2008

Quote by Phuckers
But surveys are only as good as those that are surveyed...
They can't have asked every single family in the UK so the results are not a complete picture....

what are you to dispute the report if your first reaction to this thread was a simple NO...you cant always have your cake both ways
You can if it's an upside down cake.

3 Aug 2008

Anais

Hello

and congratulations biggrin

Peanut

3 Aug 2008

Quote by Phuckers
But surveys are only as good as those that are surveyed...
They can't have asked every single family in the UK so the results are not a complete picture....

what are you to dispute the report if your first reaction to this thread was a simple NO...you cant always have your cake both ways
My initial post was an instant response stating my own opinion........As I am entitled to do...
The other post you speak of is common sense really (you know what that is yes ?)
If the whole UK is not surveyed then how can results be complete dunno

3 Aug 2008

Quote by Peanut
But surveys are only as good as those that are surveyed...
They can't have asked every single family in the UK so the results are not a complete picture....

what are you to dispute the report if your first reaction to this thread was a simple NO...you cant always have your cake both ways
You can if it's an upside down cake.
lol,night all!

3 Aug 2008

Quote by Peanut
But surveys are only as good as those that are surveyed...
They can't have asked every single family in the UK so the results are not a complete picture....

what are you to dispute the report if your first reaction to this thread was a simple NO...you cant always have your cake both ways
You can if it's an upside down cake.
rotflmao

3 Aug 2008

Quote by Peanut
But surveys are only as good as those that are surveyed...
They can't have asked every single family in the UK so the results are not a complete picture....

what are you to dispute the report if your first reaction to this thread was a simple NO...you cant always have your cake both ways
You can if it's an upside down cake.
surveys like this will carry some weight to where particular funding will go in the future tho, so its important depending how you look at it...
PS nite nite phuckers xxx

3 Aug 2008

Quote by Shireen
Anais Hello and congratulations

Thank you Shireen :kiss: Hope all is well with you xxxx

3 Aug 2008

I whole heartedly agree that people from whatever background status etc can achieve or not achieve according to stuff that Anais and Shireen have suggested however the following lifted from the CIVITAS web site (it wouldn't let me do a link location confused

maybe someone else could have a go?) makes for interesting reading I think.
The Institute For The Study Of Civil Society.
The Experiment
* Fewer children live with both their mother and their father
* Routes into the fatherless family
o Divorce
o Births outside marriage
o Changes in marriage and cohabitation
* Is the married two-parent family a thing of the past?
o Most people still believe in the ideal of marriage and do, in fact, get married
The Results: How does the Fatherless Family Affect Adults, Children and Society?
* Lone mothers
o Are poorer
o Are more likely to suffer from stress, depression, and other emotional and psychological problems
o Have more health problems
o May have more problems interacting with their children
* Non-resident biological fathers
o Are at risk of losing contact with their children
o Are more likely to have health problems and engage in high-risk behaviour
* Children living without their biological fathers
o Are more likely to live in poverty and deprivation
o Have more trouble in school
o Tend to have more trouble getting along with others
o Have higher risk of health problems
o Are at greater risk of suffering physical, emotional, or sexual abuse.
o Are more likely to run away from home
* Teenagers living without their biological fathers
o Are more likely to experience problems with sexual health
o Are more likely to become teenage parents
o Are more likely to offend
o Are more likely to smoke
o Are more likely to drink alcohol
o Are more likely to take drugs
o Are more likely to play truant from school
o Are more likely to be excluded from school
o Are more likely to leave school at 16
o Are more likely to have adjustment problems
* Young adults who grew up not living with their biological fathers
o Are less likely to attain qualifications
o Are more likely to experience unemployment
o Are more likely to have low incomes
o Are more likely be on income support
o Are more likely to experience homelessness
o Are more likely to be caught offending and go to jail
o Are more likely to suffer from long term emotional and psychological problems
o Are more likely to develop health problems
o Tend to enter partnerships earlier and more often as a cohabitation
o Are more likely to divorce or dissolve their cohabiting unions
o Are more likely to have children outside marriage or outside any partnership
Effects on the Social Fabric
* Increased crime and violence
* Decreased community ties
* A growing ‘divorce culture’
* Cycle of fatherlessness
* Dependence on state welfare

3 Aug 2008

I think the links/information that have been given, just show what surveys do - prove what the people funding them, want to prove. They are biased. As Anais said, they carry weight as to where funding will go - it all comes down to money.

3 Aug 2008

Quote by Freckledbird
I think the links/information that have been given, just show what surveys do - prove what the people funding them, want to prove. They are biased. As Anais said, they carry weight as to where funding will go - it all comes down to money.

i provide a link to prove that my assumption was wrong and you challenge that too,...the cake must be turned upside down then!

3 Aug 2008

Quote by Phuckers
I think the links/information that have been given, just show what surveys do - prove what the people funding them, want to prove. They are biased. As Anais said, they carry weight as to where funding will go - it all comes down to money.

i provide a link to prove that my assumption was wrong and you challenge that too,...the cake must be turned upside down then!
Er, that wasn't a challenge. confused

3 Aug 2008

Quote by Phuckers
I think the links/information that have been given, just show what surveys do - prove what the people funding them, want to prove. They are biased. As Anais said, they carry weight as to where funding will go - it all comes down to money.

i provide a link to prove that my assumption was wrong and you challenge that too,...the cake must be turned upside down then!
I'd add the inability to distinguish between "proof" and "demonstration" to your ongoing judgement.
My advice to you is to never, ever think that an entry in a blog, any blog, is proof of anything.

3 Aug 2008

Quote by Peanut
I think the links/information that have been given, just show what surveys do - prove what the people funding them, want to prove. They are biased. As Anais said, they carry weight as to where funding will go - it all comes down to money.

i provide a link to prove that my assumption was wrong and you challenge that too,...the cake must be turned upside down then!
I'd add the inability to distinguish between "proof" and "demonstration" to your ongoing judgement.
My advice to you is to never, ever think that an entry in a blog, any blog, is proof of anything.
that blog was actually a certified government report

3 Aug 2008

Quote by Phuckers
I think the links/information that have been given, just show what surveys do - prove what the people funding them, want to prove. They are biased. As Anais said, they carry weight as to where funding will go - it all comes down to money.

i provide a link to prove that my assumption was wrong and you challenge that too,...the cake must be turned upside down then!
I'd add the inability to distinguish between "proof" and "demonstration" to your ongoing judgement.
My advice to you is to never, ever think that an entry in a blog, any blog, is proof of anything.
that blog was actually a certified government report
Since when did the Government start certifying blogs?
It was a copy of a report, that is NOT the same thing. How do you know that it's an accurate copy?
Like I said, blogs are never proof of anything.

3 Aug 2008

Quote by Peanut
I think the links/information that have been given, just show what surveys do - prove what the people funding them, want to prove. They are biased. As Anais said, they carry weight as to where funding will go - it all comes down to money.

i provide a link to prove that my assumption was wrong and you challenge that too,...the cake must be turned upside down then!
I'd add the inability to distinguish between "proof" and "demonstration" to your ongoing judgement.
My advice to you is to never, ever think that an entry in a blog, any blog, is proof of anything.
that blog was actually a certified government report
Since when did the Government start certifying blogs?
It was a copy of a report, that is NOT the same thing. How do you know that it's an accurate copy?
Like I said, blogs are never proof of anything.
whats your point...its a govt report it might as well be discussed on SH,any forum or even a toilet wall

3 Aug 2008

Quote by Phuckers
ran out of space....is there any truth that children brought up by single (mothers)parents through hardship and pressures of life turn up to be very hard working and ambitious than people raised by both parents...?

No.
Im speaking from experience as i am a single mum. I unfortunetly do not get any help from anybody else. My child doesn't see her fathers side of the family including him..his choice. I feel, my child is just normal along with most kids of her age, whether there from 1 parent families or 2. I also believe she will learn what she wants. Of course i would like her to do extremely well but she will only do as well as her ability lets her(if that makes sense).
Doing the job of 2 parent's is very hard and i sometimes feel i am naggin her alot. To her, im a constant voice in her ear so she ignores 50% of what i say to her lol

I try and drum it into her that homework is important but because i haven't got that "other person" there to back me up.. it just goes in and out confused

And, i dont even think any of that makes any sense... off to read it again!!! rolleyes

3 Aug 2008

Quote by Peanut
My advice to you is to never, ever think that an entry in a blog, any blog, is proof of anything.

Especially considering the subject area and that the person who wrote the blog is a pastor in the Phillipines.

3 Aug 2008

Phuckers, the report had been disected & quoted by a religious group to suit it's own ends. :thumbup:

3 Aug 2008

Quote by Phuckers
I think the links/information that have been given, just show what surveys do - prove what the people funding them, want to prove. They are biased. As Anais said, they carry weight as to where funding will go - it all comes down to money.

i provide a link to prove that my assumption was wrong and you challenge that too,...the cake must be turned upside down then!
I'd add the inability to distinguish between "proof" and "demonstration" to your ongoing judgement.
My advice to you is to never, ever think that an entry in a blog, any blog, is proof of anything.
that blog was actually a certified government report
Since when did the Government start certifying blogs?
It was a copy of a report, that is NOT the same thing. How do you know that it's an accurate copy?
Like I said, blogs are never proof of anything.
whats your point...its a govt report it might as well be discussed on SH,any forum or even a toilet wall
No, it's not a Government report. It's an entry in a blog. If you can't distinguish the difference then that's your problem.
As far as discussing it goes, I didn't say anything about that. I said it isn't proof of anything, not that you can't discuss it.
The fact of the matter is that all reports are created for a reason and most times (in Government) that reason is not a desire for accuracy. Most times the report is as a means of obtaining something.

3 Aug 2008

Quote by noladreams30
I know of no research into this, but experience tells me that one parent is as (un)likely as two to produce a spoiled brat with an unrealistic sense of his or her place in the world.
I think it's a quality (of parenting) thing - not quantity (of parents).

:thumbup: Ain't that just the truth!
I also know of people to spoil their children to compensate not having the other parent around.
Which also raises brats.
I believe it is the values and morals you put into children regardless of how many parents are around.
As they say you reap what you sow.

3 Aug 2008

Quote by Freckledbird
I think the links/information that have been given, just show what surveys do - prove what the people funding them, want to prove. They are biased. As Anais said, they carry weight as to where funding will go - it all comes down to money.

True FB but.... surely two good parents are always better than one good parent? dunno

I believe that a child benefits greatly by having two good parents in its life, but that seems to be out of the window nowadays with so many familes only having one parent.
I wonder if unruly kids and lets be fair are worse now than 20 years ago, are a direct result of family breakdowns and only one parent that is out to work all day..... just a thought FB but you probably see that kind of thing everyday in your line of work. cool

3 Aug 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
I think the links/information that have been given, just show what surveys do - prove what the people funding them, want to prove. They are biased. As Anais said, they carry weight as to where funding will go - it all comes down to money.

True FB but.... surely two good parents are always better than one good parent? dunno

I believe that a child benefits greatly by having two good parents in its life, but that seems to be out of the window nowadays with so many familes only having one parent.
I wonder if unruly kids and lets be fair are worse now than 20 years ago, are a direct result of family breakdowns and only one parent that is out to work all day..... just a thought FB but you probably see that kind of thing everyday in your line of work. cool

No, not always. I'm sure everyone can think of examples of good and bad children, raised by one and two parents. I have seen all combinations in my line of work, yes. I don't think the number, skin colour, sex, sexual orientation or 'type' of parents is relevant, really - or any other influence you can think of. Vive la difference!
As someone else mentioned, even two 'good' parents can raise a child who is lazy, slow or a brat. There will undoubtedly be evidence for what you've said, but there will also be evidence to the contrary. There's always an exception to every sweeping statement and every rule.