Some confused thoughts....(my brain aches)
I would have thought, that if it was so important to the Sudanese that toy's shouldn't be called Mohammed- the children would have known that. I doubt that the teacher would though.
According to the Times, when all 14 different spellings are accounted for, it's now the 2nd most common name in the U.K.- let alone Sudan. If (for example) the name Mary was the first name of 20% of the girls in a UK primary school, don't you think the "I'm going to call my new dolly Mary" situation would arise quite frequently?
In those circumstances, I would have assumed that if the kids were saying thats what they wanted- then it was OK.
Therefore, I think what I'm getting at is that it's obviously something thats been trumped up.
However, I doubt very much that the punishment is likely to be anything other than the fine. The media loves to jump on words such as "Lashing." "Fine" isn't quite so newsworthy.
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Orgasminator
WOW just saw the breaking news 15 days jail & then deported!!!!
I suppose she got off lucky really as who knows what they would of done to one of there own who done this.
I suppose she got off lucky really as who knows what they would of done to one of there own who done this.
Quote by browning
In reply to mdr2000.
The laws of other country's are thier's, if we choose to work/holiday in different country's we must abide by thier laws.
Yeah like all the feckers do here....
Get real! It was a mistake she didn't rob a feckin bank steal an oap's purse or even try to claim benifit fraud... All happen here every feckin day by the very same cruel minded arses...
I have travelled and respect laws and to a certain degree agree with what your saying but there is Law and Common sense..
Ever crossed the road in America not on a crossing? Illegal but would that get you 15 days in jail and deported?? No... Just as there are many many laws we all break quite innocently... are you one of these people who stay at and under the speed limit when you drive... everytime??? No I doubt it.
Easy to condemn the woman for here mistakes sitting in your cosy house but put yourself in her position for just a few minutes...
Lets hope you never make a 'mistake' Must be so hard being 'so' perfect!
Mike
Quote by Mallock2006
its about children choosing a name for there toy, and if calling a teddy mohammed is so frowned upon and anyone working there (your words) should know this then why didn't the children that live there know this?
Do children born and raised in this country know you have to apply for a license before protesting near parliament?
Imagine if a foreign teacher took a class where a political debate took place, which resulted in a vote that said teacher would protest about something (animal rights for example). The teacher, unaware of the law, then protested. Now, stupid as the law may or may not be, should this teacher be let off for being ignorant? Should the children be held as more responsible than the teacher by dint of their being born here?
Surely the issue at hand is about an adult making a mistake for which the adult is responsible. Trying to now shift the blame to the children seems a little, well, disingenuous.
And I can't help but wonder if this is raising so much fuss because it's a white British woman. Would it even have been newsworthy if it had been just another Sudanese teacher..?
Its called being interested in the welfare of a British National....
Something you obviously couldnt give a flying fuck about
Its rare... but I agree. I would also hunt down every single Sudanese official watch them like feckin hawks and even if they so much as dropped snot in the street i'd arrest and humiliate them and then deport them too...
Britain is a laughing stock because of things like this.. Whatever happened to national pride..
They all love our feckin money our aid our soldiers and our benifits etc etc etc... Bollo*** to them I say!
Let the feckers hang when they need help next time...
Quote by mdr2000
its about children choosing a name for there toy, and if calling a teddy mohammed is so frowned upon and anyone working there (your words) should know this then why didn't the children that live there know this?
Do children born and raised in this country know you have to apply for a license before protesting near parliament?
Imagine if a foreign teacher took a class where a political debate took place, which resulted in a vote that said teacher would protest about something (animal rights for example). The teacher, unaware of the law, then protested. Now, stupid as the law may or may not be, should this teacher be let off for being ignorant? Should the children be held as more responsible than the teacher by dint of their being born here?
Surely the issue at hand is about an adult making a mistake for which the adult is responsible. Trying to now shift the blame to the children seems a little, well, disingenuous.
And I can't help but wonder if this is raising so much fuss because it's a white British woman. Would it even have been newsworthy if it had been just another Sudanese teacher..?
Its called being interested in the welfare of a British National....
Something you obviously couldnt give a flying fuck about
Its rare... but I agree. I would also hunt down every single Sudanese official watch them like feckin hawks and even if they so much as dropped snot in the street i'd arrest and humiliate them and then deport them too...
Britain is a laughing stock because of things like this.. Whatever happened to national pride..
They all love our feckin money our aid our soldiers and our benifits etc etc etc... Bollo*** to them I say!
Let the feckers hang when they need help next time...
I have to agree with you totally Mike and sometimes I wonder if our goverment is slipping something into the water supply to make us all so apathetic. In the last 10 years over 3000 new laws have been introduced, is there even one person on this forum who can name them all ???
That aside this woman has not broken any laws she did not name the teddy , the children did. And as for inciting racial haterd, for F**ks sake
Final point, the school was a christian round school, why were muslim children being sent there if the parents are such devote muslims?
The whole thing makes me sick and I think the SAS should be sent in as she is being held illegally.
If one single person who sits in judgment of this woman can honestly say to themselves they have never made an honest mistake then I would eat my own crap!
Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks this is 'right' and 'just' is as bad as the system that allowed this to happen..
Right now for the first time in a long long time I feel ashamed to sit back and feel as though enough has been done to protect this woman..
I wish I could say more.. I really do but freedom of speech is reserved for those who stand against us as a nation. British people can say nothing any more.. but clerics and others can stand in the street and slag off our way of life incite hatred call us blind threaten us and our beliefs and what happens to them.. Bugger all........... Great!!!
Welcome to the new Briton... will the last man out turn the light off!
Mike
Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks this is 'right' and 'just' is as bad as the system that allowed this to happen..
Right now for the first time in a long long time I feel ashamed to sit back and feel as though enough has been done to protect this woman..
I wish I could say more.. I really do but freedom of speech is reserved for those who stand against us as a nation. British people can say nothing any more.. but clerics and others can stand in the street and slag off our way of life incite hatred call us blind threaten us and our beliefs and what happens to them.. Bugger all........... Great!!!
Welcome to the new Briton... will the last man out turn the light off!
Mike
it is so good that people are so vitriolic about the rights of an individual who has 'made a mistake' in another country.
what about those who make a mistake in this country. You know the ones that happen to be walking down the street and happen to be doing absolutely nothing wrong.
I hope you are equally vitriolic about their rights?
what about those who make a mistake in this country. You know the ones that happen to be walking down the street and happen to be doing absolutely nothing wrong.
I hope you are equally vitriolic about their rights?
Orgasminator
Even though I dont agree with the sentence I think this was acted on quickly & if it had dragged on it could of got much much worse what with the friday prayers & fanatic religious leaders whiping up the devoute into a frenzy about this teacher.
Quote by mdr2000
If one single person who sits in judgment of this woman can honestly say to themselves they have never made an honest mistake then I would eat my own crap!
I've made mistakes aplenty. And I understand that with the freedom to make mistakes comes the responsibility of facing the consequences of my actions. Something that this woman apparently shouldn't have to do, as she should be judged by western rules and not those of the country she has chosen to live and work (and so no doubt be paid) in.
Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks this is 'right' and 'just' is as bad as the system that allowed this to happen..
You tar entire cultures and creeds with a very wide brush and look at them very unfavourably. How, exactly, is that different to those of other countries and cultures finding our culture abhorrent? I would have thought that people on this sit might have a little understand of what it's like to face an intolerant attitude, but obviously not.
Right now for the first time in a long long time I feel ashamed to sit back and feel as though enough has been done to protect this woman..
And I feel absolutely nothing has been done to protect the rights of UK citizens inthe UK. I find the constant attempts to reduce civil liberties in this country a far more depressing and important issue than the hypocritical desire to "liberate" other nations.
I wish I could say more.. I really do but freedom of speech is reserved for those who stand against us as a nation. British people can say nothing any more.. but clerics and others can stand in the street and slag off our way of life incite hatred call us blind threaten us and our beliefs and what happens to them.. Bugger all........... Great!!!
So is your issue with a country having the sovereign right to its own culture and judicial system, or with our sovereign nation and it's worrying trend? I'm in full agreement that we live in a country full of tension (sadly, much of which historically we have brought upon ourselves) and things are not entirely as they should be. But just because our government is (at least perceived) to be bending over backwards to accommodate distasteful dissenters doesn't mean that we should demand or even expect another nation to ignore it's own morals at our behest.
Orgasminator
Quote by Fun Scottish Couple
What like this woman
i still find it funny that you think that anyone should abide by other countries laws when over there, when there isn't a law saying you can't call a teddy mohammed.
you call that breaking laws? and then you go on to say "Being British doesn't give anyone the right to think they can go to another country and break their law" Its not about being British? am i missing something here? its about children choosing a name for there toy, and if calling a teddy mohammed is so frowned upon and anyone working there (your words) should know this then why didn't the children that live there know this?
The woman in that case was a Saudi, who knew what the punishment for sex outside of marriage is. She has confessed to this already, and was having an affair with another man. They were attacked while "together".
The rapists have also been punished aswell. According to their laws, both crimes are being punished.
Secondly, kids are kids. Are you seriously telling me that kids playing with teddies are meant to know everything?
Orgasminator
Quote by Fun Scottish Couple
if calling a teddy mohammed is breaking their laws (not sure which law as noboby has showed it) surely calling you child mohammed is too, after all you don't name your toys, pets etc with names to disrespect anyone, you give them names you like.
Maybe in the UK. But we're talking about another country. I think theres a difference between a child, and pets/toys.
Orgasminator
Quote by GnV
The people of Sudan should be on notice that they will have overstayed their welcome if their Government does not intervene NOW and stop this stupidity.
Which people are these? Asylum seekers? Political refugees?
I'm pretty sure the govt of Sudan will be more than happy to get them back.
Orgasminator
Quote by sword-stileto
WOW just saw the breaking news 15 days jail & then deported!!!!
I suppose she got off lucky really as who knows what they would of done to one of there own who done this.
Chances are they wouldn't have bothered if it was one of their own. They just wanted to make make a scene.
Its just some people here get their knickers in a twist. Its very rare for a westerner to be given the harshest sentence in Arab countries, they try and let them off with the lightest of punishments.
Orgasminator
Quote by mdr2000
Its rare... but I agree. I would also hunt down every single Sudanese official watch them like feckin hawks and even if they so much as dropped snot in the street i'd arrest and humiliate them and then deport them too...
They all love our feckin money our aid our soldiers and our benifits etc etc etc... Bollo*** to them I say!
I think you might find the issue of diplomatic immuntiy may hinder your plans to humiliate Sudanese officials.
And I doubt the Sudanese want any British soldiers in their country either.
Orgasminator
Quote by Velvet Lips
I think the SAS should be sent in as she is being held illegally.
Funny you mention that. How many people are being held illegally in numerous countries- all supported and arranged by the Brits?
Sex God
Quote by splendid_
it is so good that people are so vitriolic about the rights of an individual who has 'made a mistake' in another country.
what about those who make a mistake in this country. You know the ones that happen to be walking down the street and happen to be doing absolutely nothing wrong.
oh damn eh?
I hope you are equally vitriolic about their rights?
With regards to that particular incident I have only one thing to say...
If you have done nothing wrong and have nothing to fear/hide why would you run when challenged by the Police
Orgasminator
Quote by mdr2000
I wish I could say more.. I really do but freedom of speech is reserved for those who stand against us as a nation. British people can say nothing any more.. but clerics and others can stand in the street and slag off our way of life incite hatred call us blind threaten us and our beliefs and what happens to them.. Bugger all........... Great!!!
Welcome to the new Briton... will the last man out turn the light off!
Mike
I don't think anyone here has said the woman deserves this.
When was the last time any cleric chatted shyte on the street? I think you'll find those guys have/are being disposed of.
But then again, why is it your mates at the BNP get to say their things, and get away with slapped wrists?
Anyway I don't think there be need to turn out the lights. There'll be plenty of black, brown and yellow men in this country, especially with all these damn immigrants around.
Sex God
Quote by veejay
I wish I could say more.. I really do but freedom of speech is reserved for those who stand against us as a nation. British people can say nothing any more.. but clerics and others can stand in the street and slag off our way of life incite hatred call us blind threaten us and our beliefs and what happens to them.. Bugger all........... Great!!!
Welcome to the new Briton... will the last man out turn the light off!
Mike
I don't think anyone here has said the woman deserves this.
When was the last time any cleric chatted shyte on the street? I think you'll find those guys have/are being disposed of.
But then again, why is it your mates at the BNP get to say their things, and get away with slapped wrists?
Anyway I don't think there be need to turn out the lights. There'll be plenty of black, brown and yellow men in this country, especially with all these damn immigrants around.
And how long did it take to get shot of that incitefull basteward Abu Hanza...
FFS he only had one hand cause he blew the other fuker off when a home made bomb went off prematurely...
Orgasminator
Quote by Mallock2006
With regards to that particular incident I have only one thing to say...
If you have done nothing wrong and have nothing to fear/hide why would you run when challenged by the Police
Oh right? Take a look at the title of this thread!
So someone who runs should be punished by being shot in the head? Don't make me laugh. How daft does that sound.
I think you'll find that Mr De Menezes did NOT run. He did NOT offer any resistance. He was NOT even an Arab/Muslim. He had NO connections to terrorism. So what DID he actually do wrong?
He was restrained, then shot at close range. There is even doubt as to whether the police identified themselves.
You should get the facts right before saying things like this.
Orgasminator
Quote by Mallock2006
And how long did it take to get shot of that incitefull basteward Abu Hanza...
FFS he only had one hand cause he blew the other fuker off when a home made bomb went off prematurely...
Yet the govt just couldn't be bothered dealing with him. What does that say about them wanting to protect the people?
Sex God
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Sex God
Quote by veejay
With regards to that particular incident I have only one thing to say...
If you have done nothing wrong and have nothing to fear/hide why would you run when challenged by the Police
Oh right? Take a look at the title of this thread!
So someone who runs should be punished by being shot in the head? Don't make me laugh. How daft does that sound.
I think you'll find that Mr De Menezes did NOT run. He did NOToffer any resistance. And what DID he actually do wrong?
He was restrained, then shot at close range. There is even doubt as to whether the police identified themselves.
You should get the facts right before saying things like this.
And you were there and saw all this then :dunno:
Orgasminator
Quote by Mallock2006
And you were there and saw all this then
Is that the best you can do?
Were you there to say he did?
As expected, the initial report was that the killing was directly related to terrorism. Yet the CCTv footage showed that he did NOT run in the tube station, he did NOT jump over the barrier.
Plenty of people who WERE there said this.
And ian blair never repeated any of his initial ludicrous, and made up stories since.
Sex God
Quote by veejay
And you were there and saw all this then
Is that the best you can do?
Were you there to say he did?
As expected, the initial report was that the killing was directly related to terrorism. Yet the CCTv footage showed that he did NOT run in the tube station, he did NOT jump over the barrier.
Plenty of people who WERE there said this.
So we are both believing what we have been told as neither one of us was there to witness it ....
And to be honest the two incidents cant be compared as they are at totally different ends of the spectrum..
One was during a very tense time i.e. lots of terrorist activity going on and everyone on high alert and one was in a clasroom of a school that wasnt even a school dedicated to the religion of the indiginous peoples .....
Orgasminator
Quote by Mallock2006
So we are both believing what we have been told as neither one of us was there to witness it ....
And to be honest the two incidents cant be compared as they are at totally different ends of the spectrum..
One was during a very tense time i.e. lots of terrorist activity going on and everyone on high alert and one was in a clasroom of a school that wasnt even a school dedicated to the religion of the indiginous peoples .....
No, I don't automatically believe anything people tell me anymore, I used to. But the CCTV footage showed that the version of events given by the met pol was not accurate.
I'm sorry if I have come across as aggressive towards you. But I'm sick of being labelled and tarred with the same brush as a terrorist. There are plenty of Hindus,Sikhs,"Brown Christians" (and dare I say Muslim) who are discriminated against, even though they denounce terror.
I started off in the thread saying that this lady is being made an example out of. But we have to look at the way our govt treats its own people.
Orgasminator
Quote by Fun Scottish Couple
veejay do you have a problem with British people?? Sorry for asking, and I’m not trying to offend but that’s how your coming across.
No, not at all. I've been here all my life.
I have a British passport which I show at every opportunity when abroad. But where ever I go, I make an effort to portray a good image of Britain.
I think people in this country take it for granted too much.
But what I don't like is the fact that we have a weak govt. This used to be a super power, but is now reduced to "lap-dog" status. It seems that the govt will oppress its own people to satisfy the whitehouse (NatWest 3 for example).
And then there's racism and racists. I'm not going into this topic. But its around everywhere, including here. I wouldn't be suprised if there were BNP, or C18 supporters here.
And also the fact that some British people go abroad thinking they can do as they please, that they are immune from harm.
Unfortunately its a harsh world out there. I just think people need to be more aware of whats going on in the rest of the world. And act with more due care.
Quote by veejay
The people of Sudan should be on notice that they will have overstayed their welcome if their Government does not intervene NOW and stop this stupidity.
Which people are these? Asylum seekers? Political refugees?
I'm pretty sure the govt of Sudan will be more than happy to get them back.
And we equally glad to send them back.. maybe you'd like to join them?
Quote by veejay
WOW just saw the breaking news 15 days jail & then deported!!!!
I suppose she got off lucky really as who knows what they would of done to one of there own who done this.
Chances are they wouldn't have bothered if it was one of their own. They just wanted to make make a scene.
Its just some people here get their knickers in a twist. Its very rare for a westerner to be given the harshest sentence in Arab countries, they try and let them off with the lightest of punishments.
What are you on? 15 days in some awful Sudanese sh*t-pit for allowing children to call a teddy bear Mohammed is the lightest of punishments?
They just wanted to make a scene.
Too right they do against Westerners which is why right thinking people in this Country should stand up and be counted against this kind of "terror" against the Western culture. As someone else said earlier, these people couldn't care a flying fluck about whether we live or die - it's not in their nature.
