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To be honest I wouldn't care if she was not British I would still be disgusted. Although if it was someone not from the west it is very unlikely to have even 2 inches of news print and probably nothing on the airwaves so would not have heard about it.
Most of the big religions start off with the message of love and peace. And this message gets screwed up by zealots and the people in power to have control over the people. But as I said before religion do change, popes no longer ride to war on horseback, there is no Spanish inquisition and we don't invade countries to make convert them as Christians now we only do it to get the oil. But for them to change you have got to say its wrong. If you just say "well I don't like it but that’s the law their so that’s fair enough" nothing will ever change.
We may have tiny voice in the big scheme of things but it's a voice millions on the plant would love to have.
Bit off topic this but I believe voting in this country should be compulsory with an option on the ballot paper of being none of the above. (It would probably win) Better idea than compulsory ID cards that’s for sure.
Non Mod hat on:
British is nationality
Asian is ethnicity - different things completely in this context.
My work involves collecting this sort of information from people (on a small scale).
And meanwhile over in Sudan...
Once again, Islam shows its true self when its followers deem themselves to have been wronged, no matter how slightly. What the Sudanese fail to realise is their actions will be observed in the Western World adding further weight to the argument that Islam and our own culture can never be truly integrated.
In the meantime, our Government should immediately suspend all aid payments to Sudan.
I hate it when the race card is played at the drop of a hat, as often it can be used to stifle free expression of non racist opinions because those opinions might be about someone of a certain race whilst having nothing to do with their race. But what I'm not seeing here is sympathy for someone who is now facing the consequences of her actions, but an excuse to jump on the Islamophobe bandwagon. For the record, I don't greatly respect or agree with that faith of the laws Islamic countries make based on it. But then, I have little respect for Christianity, and the laws passed that oppress personal freedoms in Christian countries. However, what I do have respect for it the right for these countries to pass and uphold these laws. And if I were to ensconce myself in a country which has such laws, I would abide by them and understand I would face consequences should I go against them.
I notice it's apparently OK to shoot someone even if he wasn't running away from the police because he was a foreigner and was possibly illegally working in this country. It's also OK to shoot someone if they are running suspiciously.
Well, why am I still alive? A couple of years ago, when the bombings, attempted bombings, and this shooting took place, Queen played a gig in Hyde Park. The area was crawling with police, understandable at the time. It was a very hot evening. I, as my username suggests, am frequently in a state of disarray, and I was going to the gig. As usual I was very late, very stressed (Londons road network confuses the hell out of me) and in a rush. After already swinging my car abruptly towards a group of police for directions, once I'd parked I put my thick heavy jacket on, pockets filled with refreshments and a camera, and ran to the entrance. Past lots of police. I got to what I thought was the right gate, only to be told my ticket was for the other end, so had to run the entire length of the area to get in. Sods law, some of the sweets I had started falling out my pocket, and I ran past police very out of breath, determined, in a bulky jacket on a hot day, clearly with my pockets brimmed to leaking. Not once was I challenged, let alone pinned down and repeatedly shot in the head.
Now, could this be because I happen to be white, and wearing a leather to a rock concert? Because I'm sure all terrorists are not white, and never wear leather jackets...
The point of the above is if we're to believe anyone acting strangely at a time of heightened tension should be at least restrained (if not shot), howcome nobody batted an eyelid at me? Or is it more a case of if you have darker skin and want to catch a tube, it's OK to shoot you so long as you live near some suspects? At the time people were saying he'd jumped barriers, was wearing a heavy jacket, run onto the train, and to this day many (who maybe want to?) still believe that, even when more reliable evidence says he was "allowed" to leave his home, get on a bus, get a ticket for the tube, get a newspaper and sit down on the train to read it before being killed. The police made a mistake that resulted in an innocent man being dead, yet I'm still getting the impression many consider that to be acceptable.
One other thing that has irked me is the lumping together of pets and toys. Without wishing to add yet more vitriolic tangents to this thread, I can't remember the last time a toy would eat, drink, sleep, breath, run up to great you when you walked in the room, and go through pain and suffering, and ultimately death. I'm pretty sure my lego never needed any medication to make it better either.
Shambolic...
The police did mess up with the Brazilian Guy.. No doubts about it.. They even admit he was under obs before he entered the tube.. They missed the opportunity to stop him. Panick was the key there at a time many lives had just been lost..
What that has to do with naming a fookin teddy bear i have No idea???
Mike
I'm giving this thread a time out. It'll be locked until tomorrow morning to give all concerned time to cool down.
Its very sad when such a potentially interesting topic tips itself into such outright abusive views.
Any thread started about the same topic will be removed.
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