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Orgasminator
Hope no one is on Seroxat... that drug is sooo evil!
I have noticed that a lot of women and men enter a Dom(me)/sub relationship when they are feeling low about themselves. It is when they feel low that they seek pain/abuse as a method of release. I am not sure whether it is the same with swinging (i.e. that people seek out sexual encounters to feel good about themselves). It is possible though.
I have noticed that a lot of women and men enter a Dom(me)/sub relationship when they are feeling low about themselves. It is when they feel low that they seek pain/abuse as a method of release. I am not sure whether it is the same with swinging (i.e. that people seek out sexual encounters to feel good about themselves). It is possible though.
Quote by xxdevil69
I've just started my counselling.. a year after I was originally referred by both my gp and my health visitorTBH though.. I understand about the whole can of worms thing.. I'm really struggling with all the stuff that I'm recalling, and trying to shove it all into 45 minutes once every fortnight is bluddy hard work
I just find it very hard to talk to a complete stranger about how I felt last week, what i think triggered those feelings etc. And I also feel that everything I say is being taken the wrong way (prob just the paranoid side of me)..
But I'll give it a go, and if it doesn't help, then at least I've tried.
Hunni,
Stick with it, I'm 6 months down the line with mine.
I don't recognise the Kitty a year ago compared to today. It's made a huge difference to my life, it took a while to believe in it and find the right person to help me, but I'm finally seeing the light in my tunnel and where as a year ago I wouldn't have had sex without the lights off, I find myself begging to go to Blue and Satins parties :twisted: :twisted:
Kitty xx
Quote by KcKat
I've just started my counselling.. a year after I was originally referred by both my gp and my health visitor
I just find it very hard to talk to a complete stranger about how I felt last week, what i think triggered those feelings etc. And I also feel that everything I say is being taken the wrong way (prob just the paranoid side of me)..
But I'll give it a go, and if it doesn't help, then at least I've tried.
Hunni,
Stick with it, I'm 6 months down the line with mine.
I don't recognise the Kitty a year ago compared to today. It's made a huge difference to my life, it took a while to believe in it and find the right person to help me, but I'm finally seeing the light in my tunnel and where as a year ago I wouldn't have had sex without the lights off, I find myself begging to go to Blue and Satins parties :twisted: :twisted:
Kitty xx
That’s good, at least some one can agree with me
Orgasminator
Quote by Lovecommando
Hope no one is on Seroxat... that drug is sooo evil!
Why do you say Seroxat is evil?
LC
Because it is addictive and it changes a person's behaviour within a very short period of time giving them vivid nightmares and a feeling of persecution. If you do a search on the net you will find heaps of info from users and there is a legal case going on against the manufacturer. I may be wrong but I think they did not disclose vital information about the clinical trials which led the MCA (Medicines Control Agency) to grant them a product licence. The MCA accepted their mistake and apologised and I think they are trying to change the licensing procedures to avoid similar incidences in the future. Of course none of this will bring back the hundreds of suicidees that might have survived if the medical profession had not let them down
Sometimes it is a curse to know too much about such things...
Quote by Tania
Hope no one is on Seroxat... that drug is sooo evil!
Why do you say Seroxat is evil?
LC
Because it is addictive and it changes a person's behaviour within a very short period of time giving them vivid nightmares and a feeling of persecution. If you do a search on the net you will find heaps of info from users and there is a legal case going on against the manufacturer. I may be wrong but I think they did not disclose vital information about the clinical trials which led the MCA (Medicines Control Agency) to grant them a product licence. The MCA accepted their mistake and apologised and I think they are trying to change the licensing procedures to avoid similar incidences in the future. Of course none of this will bring back the hundreds of suicidees that might have survived if the medical profession had not let them down
Sometimes it is a curse to know too much about such things...
Hunni,
Certain things work for different people. You just have to be careful and not afraid to go back to your doctor if something doesn't work for you.
I'm on Prozac, works well for me - it nearly sent another friend of mine over the edge though.
Huge hugs to everone else suffering too.
Kitty x
If you look up on the net about the negative side effects of Seroxat and some other ADs, you will find a large body of people in one place who have had bad experiances with the drugs and are vetting against it. Seroxat can be a particulary difficult one to have problems with. However, if you find an area on the net which has a broader brush of people taking this medication, you will also find that many more people are finding it a very useful medication. It is a medication which needs to be monitored carefully, as should all medications, and most people, if managed properly, can wean of of this drug with the minimum of problems. I once joined a support site to get a broader picture of what people experianced, and this is what Iearnt.
1. Anti-depressents are not happy pills you can pop like smarties, as some media articles would have you believe.
2. Most ADs take around 6 weeks to take effect
3. All ADs are different. A bad experiance with one will not mean that all ADs will also be bad by default.
4. Different people need different ADs, it may take a while for you to find the one which suits you.
5. You take medication for a cold, why not when your brain is unwell?
5. Some AD`s can be addictive, but if weaned off correctly, very few people have enduring problems with this when compared with the amount of people who take them overall.
6. Doctors won`t always let you know which ones can be addictive, if you want to try out the less addictive ones first then make sure you talk to your doctor about this
7. Taking AD`s is not a sign of weakness. You may have a very physical tangible chemistry inbalance happening in your brain. When it gets to that point, you cannot simply `think` your way out of it! You may as well be staring at a broken leg, willing the bones to mend by themselves!
If you had a broken leg, and needed physiotherapy to help it get stronger, noone would criticise your need to use pain-killers inorder to help you to do this. In fact, directly after an accident, noone would expect you to be able to undergo physio at all, unless you were extremally lucky. Most people would need the medication to get them to that point depending upon the scale of the injury. With the help of meds, determination, and physio, the leg will eventually get better, but it is hard to achieve this without all three. After some time the need for painkillers is reduced.
The leg is your brain, the physio is your counselling, and the determination is.......well, your determination! Sometimes people need permanant meds, or can do without counselling, but they will always need that determination. Sometimes you may feel that your determination is almost non-existant, and this will be most likely due to your brain chemistry, meds can help a great deal in sorting this out so you are in a place where you can take more control.
Venusxxx
1. Anti-depressents are not happy pills you can pop like smarties, as some media articles would have you believe.
2. Most ADs take around 6 weeks to take effect
3. All ADs are different. A bad experiance with one will not mean that all ADs will also be bad by default.
4. Different people need different ADs, it may take a while for you to find the one which suits you.
5. You take medication for a cold, why not when your brain is unwell?
5. Some AD`s can be addictive, but if weaned off correctly, very few people have enduring problems with this when compared with the amount of people who take them overall.
6. Doctors won`t always let you know which ones can be addictive, if you want to try out the less addictive ones first then make sure you talk to your doctor about this
7. Taking AD`s is not a sign of weakness. You may have a very physical tangible chemistry inbalance happening in your brain. When it gets to that point, you cannot simply `think` your way out of it! You may as well be staring at a broken leg, willing the bones to mend by themselves!
If you had a broken leg, and needed physiotherapy to help it get stronger, noone would criticise your need to use pain-killers inorder to help you to do this. In fact, directly after an accident, noone would expect you to be able to undergo physio at all, unless you were extremally lucky. Most people would need the medication to get them to that point depending upon the scale of the injury. With the help of meds, determination, and physio, the leg will eventually get better, but it is hard to achieve this without all three. After some time the need for painkillers is reduced.
The leg is your brain, the physio is your counselling, and the determination is.......well, your determination! Sometimes people need permanant meds, or can do without counselling, but they will always need that determination. Sometimes you may feel that your determination is almost non-existant, and this will be most likely due to your brain chemistry, meds can help a great deal in sorting this out so you are in a place where you can take more control.
Venusxxx
Quote by KcKat
Hope no one is on Seroxat... that drug is sooo evil!
Why do you say Seroxat is evil?
LC
Because it is addictive and it changes a person's behaviour within a very short period of time giving them vivid nightmares and a feeling of persecution. If you do a search on the net you will find heaps of info from users and there is a legal case going on against the manufacturer. I may be wrong but I think they did not disclose vital information about the clinical trials which led the MCA (Medicines Control Agency) to grant them a product licence. The MCA accepted their mistake and apologised and I think they are trying to change the licensing procedures to avoid similar incidences in the future. Of course none of this will bring back the hundreds of suicidees that might have survived if the medical profession had not let them down
Sometimes it is a curse to know too much about such things...
Hunni,
Certain things work for different people. You just have to be careful and not afraid to go back to your doctor if something doesn't work for you.
I'm on Prozac, works well for me - it nearly sent another friend of mine over the edge though.
Huge hugs to everone else suffering too.
Kitty x
Seroxat does not change peoples behaviour for the worse necessarily, in fact it has helped many millions of people, of which I am one. People react in different ways to certain drugs but the majority do benefit. Prozac has often been accused of causing psychosis and suicide as well, but equally it has helped as many others. All drugs have their side effects, which some suffer from more than others. It's just a matter of finding the correct meds that are agreeable to the individual.
It is impossible to attribute any suicides to the medication they were taking, as depressed people are often susceptible to suicide. It's difficult to prove otherwise. However, it's true that the producers of Seroxat appear to have not disclosed the findings of their research and that in fact Serotax induces depdendancy. However I would not go as far as to call it evil.
LC
Orgasminator
Quote by JudyTV
Mmm
I would be interested in the verification / source of this information, or how you have come to this conclusion. As a dominatrix and also as someone who enjoys being spanked and even receiving mild pain your theory doesn't really fit my lifestyle pastimes.
I have been active in the D/s lifestyle for nearly 6 years. I am the source. The verification is the people I have come across in all these years.
Orgasminator
The problem with anti-depressants is that their use is not closely monitored by the medical profession. If some of you can see a psychologist/psychiatrist twice a month, consider yourself lucky. Most people I know are seen on a monthly or 6-weekly basis. When they are at their lowest, they do not have help. When it is time to talk with their consultant, it is usually too late as the crisis has come and passed. Psychiatrists today are only interested in whether you wish to kill yourself or not. If you do not wish to kill yourself, they do not pay much attention. As for GPs they are already so overworked that they can't follow up patients regularly. It is up to the patient to see their GP and discuss their medication issues with him/her. And then the GP has the problem of coming into conflict with the specialist. Who tells the patient how much dose to take? Who makes that decision? In my experience, nobody wants to be responsible really.
I feel that it would be much better if people were encouraged to look at their diet and exercise. Most of us do not eat properly and so starve our bodies from important nutrients - some of which control brain functions. What is better: to pop pills or to eat well? Anyway, let me not get started as I have very strong views on the subject and could bore you to death with them!
I feel that it would be much better if people were encouraged to look at their diet and exercise. Most of us do not eat properly and so starve our bodies from important nutrients - some of which control brain functions. What is better: to pop pills or to eat well? Anyway, let me not get started as I have very strong views on the subject and could bore you to death with them!
Sex God
tania,
while i'd agree to an extent with some points about the kind of treatments readily available on the NHS, ((( already said the whole counselling option is pretty damn poor! ))) A/D's are a pretty major treatment option, despite the misgivings about how they are sometimes prescribed by some GP's, and the horror stories that occasionally crop up in the media . . . the fact is A/D's do often save lives, and get people out of that pit before they can even begin to look at other options.
some treatments kinda demand stability, and the first option a GP has is to prescribe something that creates stability. any other treatment, like counselling / psychiatry can do more harm than good until that point is reached, and the patient is strong enough and rational enough to confront his/her issues.
yep monitoring is monthly, but then A/D's take months to kick in sometimes, certainly 4-6 weeks, and improvement is gradual. GP's are dependant on self-reporting, as for any illness. a GP can only begin to diagnose any illness once the patient tells him the symptoms, and depressive symptoms ain't quite so visible as a sore throat.
and personally, i've heard the exercise/diet thing before. sorry but that might work for a mild down in the dumps, tired for other reasons thing. for clinical depression, no way!
neil x x x ;)
while i'd agree to an extent with some points about the kind of treatments readily available on the NHS, ((( already said the whole counselling option is pretty damn poor! ))) A/D's are a pretty major treatment option, despite the misgivings about how they are sometimes prescribed by some GP's, and the horror stories that occasionally crop up in the media . . . the fact is A/D's do often save lives, and get people out of that pit before they can even begin to look at other options.
some treatments kinda demand stability, and the first option a GP has is to prescribe something that creates stability. any other treatment, like counselling / psychiatry can do more harm than good until that point is reached, and the patient is strong enough and rational enough to confront his/her issues.
yep monitoring is monthly, but then A/D's take months to kick in sometimes, certainly 4-6 weeks, and improvement is gradual. GP's are dependant on self-reporting, as for any illness. a GP can only begin to diagnose any illness once the patient tells him the symptoms, and depressive symptoms ain't quite so visible as a sore throat.
and personally, i've heard the exercise/diet thing before. sorry but that might work for a mild down in the dumps, tired for other reasons thing. for clinical depression, no way!
neil x x x ;)
Sex God
I have had the misfortune of finding out the good and bad side to A/D's.
As with everything in life. Everyone remembers the worst.
G x
As with everything in life. Everyone remembers the worst.
G x
Sex God
Quote by xxdevil69
I've just started my counselling.. a year after I was originally referred by both my gp and my health visitor
I just find it very hard to talk to a complete stranger about how I felt last week, what i think triggered those feelings etc. And I also feel that everything I say is being taken the wrong way (prob just the paranoid side of me)..
But I'll give it a go, and if it doesn't help, then at least I've tried.
Yep, please give it a good go devil, share all these things with the counsellor: how difficult you find it, what a strain it is to cram everything into such a short time, etc., and if you really don't feel you hit it off personally with the counsellor for some reason, ask for another one (I'm assuming there's more than one counsellor in the service), they are probably used to that request and should make some allowance for it. Don't just give up.
Good luck,
Mike.
Depression..... after writing an essay on it, looking into the causes of it and treatment. The figure is actually 1 in 4 people, at some point in their life, will suffer from an depressive epidose in their life. While some people it will be reactive depression where the depression is a reaction to a life crisis, for others it is clinical depression where it is harder to treat.
I suffered post natal depression after my son was born. I then left a fantastic job to move 200 miles away with my then partner, uprooting my daughter with us. Only to move back home 9 months later after my bastard of a partner had an affair with a friend, and inflicted emotional abuse on me and my daughter Faced with no where to live, no money or job, i sank so low that i could not see a way out. I prayed every night for God not to let me wake up in the morning, luckily, my prayers were never answered.
Six years on, I am happier that I have ever been but still suffer with the depression demon
Life is a rollercoaster you just have to ride it .......................................
I suffered post natal depression after my son was born. I then left a fantastic job to move 200 miles away with my then partner, uprooting my daughter with us. Only to move back home 9 months later after my bastard of a partner had an affair with a friend, and inflicted emotional abuse on me and my daughter
Faced with no where to live, no money or job, i sank so low that i could not see a way out. I prayed every night for God not to let me wake up in the morning, luckily, my prayers were never answered.Six years on, I am happier that I have ever been but still suffer with the depression demon
Life is a rollercoaster you just have to ride it .......................................
Quote by MikeNorth
I've just started my counselling.. a year after I was originally referred by both my gp and my health visitor
I just find it very hard to talk to a complete stranger about how I felt last week, what i think triggered those feelings etc. And I also feel that everything I say is being taken the wrong way (prob just the paranoid side of me)..
But I'll give it a go, and if it doesn't help, then at least I've tried.
Yep, please give it a good go devil, share all these things with the counsellor: how difficult you find it, what a strain it is to cram everything into such a short time, etc., and if you really don't feel you hit it off personally with the counsellor for some reason, ask for another one (I'm assuming there's more than one counsellor in the service), they are probably used to that request and should make some allowance for it. Don't just give up.
Good luck,
Mike.
Excellent advice. I've had counselling on and off for many years and have seen quite a few counsellors. I must say they all differed in their approach and personality, some being quite open and friendly others more reticent. Therefore the quality of the counsellors did vary, some having a good grasp of the concepts underpinning counselling, others were not so experienced. It's therefore important to find one that you are comfortable with, someone with whom you can open to, otherwise it won't work. Sometimes it's just a matter of time with issues of trust, sometimes these issues cannot be resolved and it's time to move onto another councellor. Whatever, stick with it as counselling can be very beneficial in many cases though sometimes another type of therapy may be more appropriate, it just depends on what works for you or what you can afford.
LC
I was really lucky in that i got on very well with my counsellor and I got to see her fairly soon after diagnosis. I am also very lucky in that both the pyschiatrist and the mental health nurse are both just at the end of the fone should i mneed them. I also have a fantastically supportive gp.
Having said all that my dads experience is teh complete opposite to mine and even know is in hospital with all the medical staff at a complete loss as to how to help him
Big hugs to all of you who are suffereing at the moment.
Having said all that my dads experience is teh complete opposite to mine and even know is in hospital with all the medical staff at a complete loss as to how to help him
Big hugs to all of you who are suffereing at the moment.
I was very lucky in the sense my counseller was blind. It was much easier for me to communicate myself to someone who couldn`t see my expression at the time. What I couldn`t bear was all the ego stroking.......I`m not that easily bought! Lots of cliche approaches! We got there in the end though 
Venusxxx
Venusxxx
Sex God
Quote by VenusnMars
I was very lucky in the sense my counseller was blind. It was much easier for me to communicate myself to someone who couldn`t see my expression at the time. What I couldn`t bear was all the ego stroking.......I`m not that easily bought! Lots of cliche approaches! We got there in the end though
Venusxxx
Yes Venus, clichéd approaches also tried here. I think they all take the same course and come out of the same sausage-machine! In addition to this, my counsellor turned out to be a buddhist and sat with a beatific smile
on her face for much of the time. She ended up being a great help though.Mike.
hmm, well lets see, where do I start
age 13 when my pregnant g/f was killed by a drunk driver ( the bastard got 6 months for it ) result, a total nervous breakdown
age 34 found out my 3 kids all had different fathers, and I wasnt one of them,result, slashed wrists and massive drug overdose
age 43 woke up feeling like a old man, treatment logon to SH forums and reassure myself that life does go on
and yes i am serious on all 3 points, in truth I am still taking anti depressants today, but like most of us that suffer these hidden illnesses, we just learn to cope or crash and burn, and I wont crash
age 13 when my pregnant g/f was killed by a drunk driver ( the bastard got 6 months for it ) result, a total nervous breakdown
age 34 found out my 3 kids all had different fathers, and I wasnt one of them,result, slashed wrists and massive drug overdose
age 43 woke up feeling like a old man, treatment logon to SH forums and reassure myself that life does go on
and yes i am serious on all 3 points, in truth I am still taking anti depressants today, but like most of us that suffer these hidden illnesses, we just learn to cope or crash and burn, and I wont crash
Sex God
Are we all gonna get a mention in the Bibliography of your thesis Venus ??
Sex God
Quote by kristof
and yes i am serious on all 3 points, in truth I am still taking anti depressants today, but like most of us that suffer these hidden illnesses, we just learn to cope or crash and burn, and I wont crash
....with help I hope, Kristof - help is available, as some of us have experienced (see above in thread).
Mike.
Quote by MikeNorth
and yes i am serious on all 3 points, in truth I am still taking anti depressants today, but like most of us that suffer these hidden illnesses, we just learn to cope or crash and burn, and I wont crash
....with help I hope, Kristof - help is available, as some of us have experienced (see above in thread).
Mike.
yes m8, with help
in my case, some real good friends who are there if I need to cry or waffle on endlessly, a GP who is willing to do all he can and some good support systems
Sex God
Quote by kristof
yes m8, with help
in my case, some real good friends who are there if I need to cry or waffle on endlessly, a GP who is willing to do all he can and some good support systems
That's a relief to hear, kristof, and good luck. For a moment I thought you might be one of them there ta-martyrs.
mike.
Orgasminator
Quote by kristof
hmm, well lets see, where do I start
age 13 ...age 34 .....age 43 ...
Hmm, I see what the problem is and my initial reaction to reading your post was to exclaim in indignation about what life's dealt you.
However, I think that your problem is easy to solve as it is really with the number "3" so if you are wise, you will avoid it from now on... So no car plate including no. 3 in it, no hotel room with no. 3, not doing anything important on the 3rd, 13th, 23rd, 30th and 31st of a month and of course if you meet a girl you can't have sex with her 3 times to see if you really like her, you have to hurry and shag her one more time immediately after the 3rd (take Viagra if necessary, I don't care!) to ensure all goes well.
Big hug (my stupid XP SP2 is prohibiting me accessing more emoticons so you will have to settle for a verbal hug)
Quote by Tania
hmm, well lets see, where do I start
age 13 ...age 34 .....age 43 ...
Hmm, I see what the problem is and my initial reaction to reading your post was to exclaim in indignation about what life's dealt you.
However, I think that your problem is easy to solve as it is really with the number "3" so if you are wise, you will avoid it from now on... So no car plate including no. 3 in it, no hotel room with no. 3, not doing anything important on the 3rd, 13th, 23rd, 30th and 31st of a month and of course if you meet a girl you can't have sex with her 3 times to see if you really like her, you have to hurry and shag her one more time immediately after the 3rd (take Viagra if necessary, I don't care!) to ensure all goes well.
Big hug (my stupid XP SP2 is prohibiting me accessing more emoticons so you will have to settle for a verbal hug)
right now hun its more than necessary
know where I can get some :wink::wink: 
Orgasminator
Best source of Viagra is your GP. This kind of medication can affect your circulation so it is best monitored by someone who knows what they are doing. I have a friend who gets his online ( 
). It can get quite frustrating for both of us as we can't time our appetites to coincide and he's like 'let's do it now whilst I still can' and I am like 'I am hungry, let's eat some food first'. LOL
Anyway anti-depressants do lower libido and I am inexcusable for making a joke of Viagra without thinking first. Apologies for that. It was not ill meant.
). It can get quite frustrating for both of us as we can't time our appetites to coincide and he's like 'let's do it now whilst I still can' and I am like 'I am hungry, let's eat some food first'. LOLAnyway anti-depressants do lower libido and I am inexcusable for making a joke of Viagra without thinking first. Apologies for that. It was not ill meant.
