ATT: Chatroom users

3 Sep 2005

Quote by bucksfuncpl
You mean this doesnt already happen

Well, we've been accused of being too soft.
Never again.
The worm has turned, as they say evil

:evil: :evil:

3 Sep 2005

Quote by LilMissGullable
BUT.... i have to say.... (Yes, i know the ops have there own lives to run b4 u jump down my throat).... I do think that there should be an op in the room at all times, there is enough of them, some you don't even see for weeks on end... which leaves me asking the Q of.... Why are they ops if they can't make an appearence????? Its the same ops day in day out who have to take the shit from us complaining about the serial pm-ers and i think its abit unfair!!!! There is enough regulars who go in the room who would do a very good job of being an op but have been knocked bk.

There are currently 13 OP's and yes when you look at those numbers you could say that there are enough of us to be able to ensure that there is at least one OP on duty at all times, BUT... Just step back a moment and think if you were an OP.... When could you guarantee a time when you were avaliable?? Then consider all the possible things that could interfere with that particular time you have offered to be on duty... We have kids so I could be needed to do something for them during that duty period... In this house because I work 9-5 and Steve works 4pm till midnight, we can safely say that we could possibly cover most of the day and evening between us.... But Steve has to take the kids to school, he then does little jobs to help me around the house, he also has a nap in the day as his working hours mean that his sleeping hours at night are reduced... I come home and I have to cook for the kids, clean the house, do the washing etc.... I have already been on a computer all day and to be honest some times the last thing I want to do when I get home is spend another 4 or 5 hours in a busy chatroom.... I end up with massive headaches and eyestrain (like I am currently suffering) Steve's hobby means that we are away almost all weekends between March and October (Steve is away this weekend without us) so you can see what I am getting at... Some of the other OP's work shifts and cant guarantee what particular time slot they are able to be on duty... Then we have to consider that people take holidays...

Not having a go at any1 in particular, just airing my point of view like every1 else

I know hun kiss

Sorry this was a long post but I am just trying to help people to understand how difficult it is when you are an OP.... And trust me when you get asked/put yourself forward you have no idea what is entailed in being an OP... We are not only on duty in the main chatroom but we are helping people to register in SHHelp and checking the emails that we have to deal with....
Shireen
xxx

3 Sep 2005

Quote by bucksfuncpl
Have to declare we have a personal gripe here though.

Yep you sure do, but as has been explained via several emails you broke the rules and as such you have been banned.... Get over it

3 Sep 2005

Quote by Shireen_Mids
Have to declare we have a personal gripe here though.

Yep you sure do, but as has been explained via several emails you broke the rules and as such you have been banned.... Get over it
Yep and life goes on quite well nonetheless.
By the same token you are an Op, you volunteered for it, if you don't like some of the interruption it brings, then leave and "get over it".
I was attempting to make a serious point whilst reasonably declaring I had an interest. The ease or otherwise of the Op role depends upon both the complexity (and number) of rules and the intensiveness of application. We have been using other chat sites of late (for obvious reasons) and they do not seem to come grinding to a halt everytime someone requests a cam conversation for instance.
The sensitivity of senior members here to a legitimate difference of view is quite astounding. I have always been of the view that it is a sign of maturity to be able to accept another person has a sincere difference of opinion without being offended that they don't share my own views, but to each their own.

3 Sep 2005

Quote by bucksfuncpl
By the same token you are an Op, you volunteered for it, if you don't like some of the interruption it brings, then leave and "get over it".

Trust me I didn't volunteer, Steve and I were asked if we would become OP's.... We also give alot of time to the chatroom, so I dont think that we are being unreasonable in asking that we are not bothered if we are not in the chatroom....

I was attempting to make a serious point whilst reasonably declaring I had an interest. The ease or otherwise of the Op role depends upon both the complexity (and number) of rules and the intensiveness of application. We have been using other chat sites of late (for obvious reasons) and they do not seem to come grinding to a halt everytime someone requests a cam conversation for instance.

Hey if you think the rules are wrong or they are too strict, please feel free to contact the person who wrote them...... Mark!

The sensitivity of senior members here to a legitimate difference of view is quite astounding. I have always been of the view that it is a sign of maturity to be able to accept another person has a sincere difference of opinion without being offended that they don't share my own views, but to each their own.

As far as I am aware the majority of us are accepting of the fact that not everyone has the same opinion. However, the fact remains that the "senior" members are less tolerant of people who whinge when they have been excluded because they are unable to follow the rules... When you sigh up to this site you agree to abide by the rules of the site... You break them you are gone... It's simple really dunno

3 Sep 2005

You were asked to pick up the role, and you chose to accept hence "volunteered" doesn't seem too unreasonable a description. It certainly was a free choice wasn't it and you could choose not to continue the role if you wanted to.
There is no point us trying to challenge the rules, as you rightly point out we accepted them when we joined. I was merely pointing out the fact that the role of Op or Moderator is made more or less difficult as a result of the rules you apply. This seems to be self evident and totally On Topic.
At no point within this thread have I "whinged" about our exclusion form the chatroom. You know our thoughts on that and unlike others I am not going to repeat the contents of the various emails in public, what is the point?
Does the fact that we were excluded from chat mean we have little sympathy for your predicament, probably yes, but I suspect that our view would have been much the same regardless.
It comes down to this, if I choose to be a fireman is it reasonable for me to complain about being woken up in the middle of the night to put out fires?

3 Sep 2005

Quote by bucksfuncpl
It comes down to this, if I choose to be a fireman is it reasonable for me to complain about being woken up in the middle of the night to put out fires?

Nope but then they get paid to do it... rolleyes

3 Sep 2005

Quote by bucksfuncpl
It comes down to this, if I choose to be a fireman is it reasonable for me to complain about being woken up in the middle of the night to put out fires?

If I was a firefighter I WOULD complain about being woken up to put out a fire if I was NOT on duty at the time.
So anyway............. you're expeting all ops and mods to be "on call" 24/7 at the whim of anyone who might have a problem, however slight, on the site when we are not online?
Yes, we choose to be mods and ops. No-one is twisting our arm to do it. We do it cos we care about SH. End of.
But, when we are not online, we are not on SH, hence we are NOT in a mod/op role.... we may be doing other things instead, like playing with our kids, watching telly, at work, on the phone to the bank fraud dept, having a nice walk in the country, or god fordid doing what we are here for first and foremost.... ie. swinging! Are you suggesting that just cos we agreed with Mark that we would help him with his site IN OUR OWN SPARE TIME, that we should drop EVERYTHING if someone has a problem on site?
I don't think so....... and if you do think we should, you're off your fLucking rocker!!!! rolleyes

3 Sep 2005

Quote by bluexxx
But, when we are not online, we are not on SH, hence we are NOT in a mod/op role.... we may be doing other things instead, like playing with our kids, watching telly, at work, on the phone to the bank fraud dept, having a nice walk in the country, or god fordid doing what we are here for first and foremost.... ie. swinging! Are you suggesting that just cos we agreed with Mark that we would help him with his site IN OUR OWN SPARE TIME, that we should drop EVERYTHING if someone has a problem on site?

You mean you find time to actually swing Blue?? Sheesh, can you let me know how you fit it in because we dont seem to have the time lol

Shireen
xxx

3 Sep 2005

Quote by bluexxx
It comes down to this, if I choose to be a fireman is it reasonable for me to complain about being woken up in the middle of the night to put out fires?

If I was a firefighter I WOULD complain about being woken up to put out a fire if I was NOT on duty at the time.
So anyway............. you're expeting all ops and mods to be "on call" 24/7 at the whim of anyone who might have a problem, however slight, on the site when we are not online?
Yes, we choose to be mods and ops. No-one is twisting our arm to do it. We do it cos we care about SH. End of.
But, when we are not online, we are not on SH, hence we are NOT in a mod/op role.... we may be doing other things instead, like playing with our kids, watching telly, at work, on the phone to the bank fraud dept, having a nice walk in the country, or god fordid doing what we are here for first and foremost.... ie. swinging! Are you suggesting that just cos we agreed with Mark that we would help him with his site IN OUR OWN SPARE TIME, that we should drop EVERYTHING if someone has a problem on site?
I don't think so....... and if you do think we should, you're off your fLucking rocker!!!! rolleyes

Nope if you read my original post I was suggesting that the intensiveness of mod/op activity is closely linked to the rules you are expected to enforce.
Surely you can only be disturbed at all hours if you provide people with your contact details. As for being disturbed when off duty, I have a phone for work, I wouldn't dream of giving out my personal number to anyone who wasn't a close personal friend. Any close personal friend who woke me up in the middle of the night for spurious reasons would no longer be a close personal friend. You can be damn sure that my work phone isn't answered when I am "off duty".

3 Sep 2005

Blue... can I? Please? Can I, go on, can I??
lol

:lol:

uch: :ouch:

3 Sep 2005

Quote by Jags
Blue... can I? Please? Can I, go on, can I??
:lol: uch: :ouch:

YES!

3 Sep 2005

Shireen hun >>
Not having read all the post on here may I be so brave as to make a comment confused

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Are we to go back in time to the days of "Spewdo" and co and accept his saying that " a Op is always right even when wrong" :?: I should hope not, but from what I have read it appears to be the way. :!:
I do not go in the "Chatroom" any more, apart from the early morning jaunt to keep my nic safe. I can not keep up the pace and ALL my closest friends (i did have some) seem to have found pastures new and a calmer life.
Fred. With thanks to the room Ops for the work they do but dont let us go back to the days of pre January.
ps :- body armour is on lol

3 Sep 2005

Quote by bucksfuncpl
Surely you can only be disturbed at all hours if you provide people with your contact details.

So..... now you are suggesting that all mods and ops should never give out their phone numbers to anyone on the site? That means that we are not allowed friends, not allowed to socialise with people from the site in RL... don't you think that a little odd seeing as we are primarily here to socialise and make friends just as you or anyone else from the site is?
Or are you suggesting that we should each purchase a phone especially for mod/op duties - bearing in mind that this is NOT our job and that we mod and/or op for no profit at all?
SImply bizzarre rolleyes

Surely it is up to the people we give our numbers to in TRUST to use that info sensibly?
Careful how you answer cos I am now getting pissed off :roll: :roll: :roll:

3 Sep 2005

Quote by Dawn_Mids
Blue... can I? Please? Can I, go on, can I??
:lol: uch: :ouch:

YES!
Are three 'yes' votes enough to count as a Mod decision??

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:

3 Sep 2005

Quote by Fred aka Medic 1
a Op is always right even when wrong"

Absolutely :smug:
The new order on SH is that those in control have TOTAL control......... if we say "jump", you say "how high" :twisted:
Oh the power........... hehehehehehehehehehehehe :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

3 Sep 2005

Quote by Jags
Blue... can I? Please? Can I, go on, can I??
:lol: uch: :ouch:

YES!
Are three 'yes' votes enough to count as a Mod decision??

:rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Hehehehehehehehehe, well, to be fair we should have told them to fuck off first :evil2:

3 Sep 2005

Quote by bluexxx
Surely you can only be disturbed at all hours if you provide people with your contact details.

So..... now you are suggesting that all mods and ops should never give out their phone numbers to anyone on the site? That means that we are not allowed friends, not allowed to socialise with people from the site in RL... don't you think that a little odd seeing as we are primarily here to socialise and make friends just as you or anyone else from the site is?
Or are you suggesting that we should each purchase a phone especially for mod/op duties - bearing in mind that this is NOT our job and that we mod and/or op for no profit at all?
SImply bizzarre rolleyes

Surely it is up to the people we give our numbers to in TRUST to use that info sensibly?
Careful how you answer cos I am now getting pissed off :roll: :roll: :roll:
Blue
I think you misunderstood me, really I am not trying to piss you off. If I was in your situation what I am saying is that I would be most pissed off with the "friends" first and foremost who disturbed me in that way, and I am pretty sure they wouldn't be my friends for long.

3 Sep 2005

Quote by bucksfuncpl
If I was in your situation what I am saying is that I would be most pissed off with the "friends" first and foremost who disturbed me in that way

OK, so you're now saying that it is NOT OK for people from the site to contact ops or mods about site problems when they are not on duty?
Well, that's what I call a U-Turn
dunno

3 Sep 2005

Quote by bluexxx
a Op is always right even when wrong"

Absolutely :smug:
The new order on SH is that those in control have TOTAL control......... if we say "jump", you say "how high" :twisted:
Oh the power........... hehehehehehehehehehehehe :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
I did not write it == a former dictator did ( ooops , sorry I meant RoomOp). :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Fred wink

3 Sep 2005

Quote by bluexxx
If I was in your situation what I am saying is that I would be most pissed off with the "friends" first and foremost who disturbed me in that way

OK, so you're now saying that it is NOT OK for people from the site to contact ops or mods about site problems when they are not on duty?
Well, that's what I call a U-Turn
dunno

Blue
I think given the current heat it would be better not to respond to this. I was just setting out a point of view. From the origiinal post etc. it was certainly not clear that people who had contact info on a purely personal basis were using it inappropriately. No matter what my other opinions I never said that was reasonable. If that was not clear then I apologise.

3 Sep 2005

Quote by bucksfuncpl
it was certainly not clear that people who had contact info on a purely personal basis were using it inappropriately

So........... you didn't read this thread properly then, I take it rolleyes

:roll: :roll: :roll:

3 Sep 2005

Quote by bucksfuncpl
Maybe, just maybe the Chatroom Op's role would be easier if the rules were "lighter" and they spent their time regulating the more serious transgressions. The difficulty of enforcing rules rises in direct relation to the number of rules imposed and their relative importance. Like the use of speed camera's though it is always easy to focus on minor infringements.
Have to declare we have a personal gripe here though.

:small-print: :small-print: :small-print: :small-print:

3 Sep 2005

Quote by bucksfuncpl
You were asked to pick up the role, and you chose to accept hence "volunteered" doesn't seem too unreasonable a description. It certainly was a free choice wasn't it and you could choose not to continue the role if you wanted to.
There is no point us trying to challenge the rules, as you rightly point out we accepted them when we joined. I was merely pointing out the fact that the role of Op or Moderator is made more or less difficult as a result of the rules you apply. This seems to be self evident and totally On Topic.
At no point within this thread have I "whinged" about our exclusion form the chatroom. You know our thoughts on that and unlike others I am not going to repeat the contents of the various emails in public, what is the point?
Does the fact that we were excluded from chat mean we have little sympathy for your predicament, probably yes, but I suspect that our view would have been much the same regardless.
It comes down to this, if I choose to be a fireman is it reasonable for me to complain about being woken up in the middle of the night to put out fires?

:small-print: :small-print:
:crazy:

3 Sep 2005

Shireen.... like i said and will again...... Im not in any way having ago at any1 in particular...
Yes i appreciate you and steve work and have children and are trying to run a home... BUT wot about the other 11 op's then?????
As for If i was an op...i could guarantee i would be in there at least 5 nites out of 7.. as i have an 8yr old daughter who as from monday will be bk to regular bedtimes due to school.... Maybe you'se should all try out a rota kinda working thing... every week swap it around.... I know it would be hard at times but once got used to it would work.
Im not slating the work any of you op's do in any way or form... I personally think you'se do a very very good job... but u have to admit yourself... its getting more and more idiots in there... who are just taking the piss. Sometimes you can't even get ur coat off b4 getting pm-d....ok yes use Ignore... but why should we... that way the serial pm-ers are just getting away with it!!!
! I just think 1 is needed in there at all times

3 Sep 2005

Quote by Fred aka Medic 1
Are we to go back in time to the days of "Spewdo" and co and accept his saying that " a Op is always right even when wrong" : I should hope not, but from what I have read it appears to be the way. :!:

Not at all Medic..... If someone doesn't adhere to the rules then they are removed, if they persist in breaking the rules they piss us off and are removed on a permanent basis basically....
Trust me if we are wrong then we will admit it... I have done just that via email today after I mistakenly banned someone...
HTH
Shireen
xxx

3 Sep 2005

Quote by Jiggle
right, if this as been covered before then i will get down on my knees and beg for forgiveness for not checking the Search!!!.
just a quick one, its come to my attention that when the chatroom is with out a op and trouble brew, a few memeber which are ringing opps to ask them to come into the room.
so this was just a polite way of saying the ops have got there only life as well as everyone esle, so if there is no op, please either record the logs, or do a screen dump.
cheers
Jonathan

I am sorry again but I don't see here where it says that friends of ops/mods who had their contact details on a purely personal basis were abusing the info. From the details presented it was unclear whether or not individuals had given out their contact details in an "official" or personal capacity. One poster queried this and the question wasn't answered.
Like anyone else I hold opinions on the op role etc. and stand by my original posts, but I hadn't appreciated that "friends" were abusing personal contact info. For that I am sorry and I would have tempered my remarks a little had I understood that.

3 Sep 2005

Quote by LilMissGullable
As for If i was an op...i could guarantee i would be in there at least 5 nites out of 7.. as i have an 8yr old daughter who as from monday will be bk to regular bedtimes due to school.... Maybe you'se should all try out a rota kinda working thing... every week swap it around.... I know it would be hard at times but once got used to it would work.

Same here, but like I said after a hard day at word would you really want to spend time in the chatroom dealing with numpties?? Please bear in mind that you are not only watching/dealing with the main room but helping the same numpties to register in another room and checking the OP's emails at the same time... No-one knows if something will happen out of the blue, so no-one can guarentee that they can man the room at a specific time... What happens for instance, if you are down to be on duty and someone phones you up and invites you to a party?? Do you say no sorry but I can come to my Nan's birthday party because I have to be on duty that night??

Yes i appreciate you and steve work and have children and are trying to run a home... BUT wot about the other 11 op's then?????

They have lives too....
Shireen
xxx

3 Sep 2005

From page one:

Quote by tattyxpx
But I am one of those ppl who has given my number to many many people off this site, and as much as I want to help, and the people who phone me back into the room are at desperate measures by this time, it was affecting me in my personnal life....

Just about summerises the opinions of the ops and mods who have been troubled by this issue.
Of course we give our numbers to people for personal reasons........... what the hell is an "official" reason anyway when we are unpaid volunteers?
Still doesn't give people the right to ring about site issues when we are offline, does it, which was actually what you were suggesting at one point
confused

:? :? :?

3 Sep 2005

Quote by Shireen_Mids
As for If i was an op...i could guarantee i would be in there at least 5 nites out of 7.. as i have an 8yr old daughter who as from monday will be bk to regular bedtimes due to school.... Maybe you'se should all try out a rota kinda working thing... every week swap it around.... I know it would be hard at times but once got used to it would work.

Same here, but like I said after a hard day at word would you really want to spend time in the chatroom dealing with numpties?? Please bear in mind that you are not only watching/dealing with the main room but helping the same numpties to register in another room and checking the OP's emails at the same time... No-one knows if something will happen out of the blue, so no-one can guarentee that they can man the room at a specific time... What happens for instance, if you are down to be on duty and someone phones you up and invites you to a party?? Do you say no sorry but I can come to my Nan's birthday party because I have to be on duty that night??

Yes i appreciate you and steve work and have children and are trying to run a home... BUT wot about the other 11 op's then?????

They have lives too....
Shireen
xxx
Sorry but the idea of a "duty rota" for ops (and by implication, mods) is a stupid idea. We are unpaid volunteers, it is not our job.... Mark asked us to help him IN OUR SPARE TIME.............. jeeeeeeeeeeez ........ who would want the 3am - 6am shift anyway :crazy: