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Autopsy - Medical Emergency (warning - bit gory)

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Well, I sat down with my cheese sarnie, cuppa tea in the warm an thought I’d watch ten mins telly whilst I eat! Flick through the channels to see what rubbish is on (its late an I cant sleep )… and I find this! Autopsy - Medical emergency - I didnt finsh me sarnie! confused :?
I can be quite *hardened* watching some programmes that are graphic like operations etc… but I’m not sure what I think of this programme! Its informative and fascinating in a morbid kinda way……I couldnt stop watching it! :shock: :? :?
Do we really need to see bodies cut up? The use of fake blood injected into them so you can see internal damage to full effect? All for a television show? For students maybe yeah but for the general public?
And did they really need to have a naked women to demonstrate how to stop a nose bleed? (ok some of you will say yes lol)
Is it degrading to the dead person, their family and friends (I know they are body donations and have permission to do whatever with them)……. I wonder if families notified that *blah blah* will be cut up on telly tonight?
I noticed the eyes are always covered, the windows to the soul…. So its said!
Would you donate your body to medical science?
Do we need programmes like this made?
Anais x
PS I’m gonna be stuffed an used as hat stand in the local youth club! Or perhaps charcoaled an used as a piece of modern art!
Anais, I saw this programme, and I for one think its amazing. I think Doctor Gunther Von Whatsizname has done, and does do some amazing things, especially his plastination techniques. I hope to go, and take the kids to see his exhibition in manchester, of plastinated figures of the human body at work.
I find everything about the human body so totally fascinating, and just awe inducing, and I avidly watch anything like that. Since I was a child, I have enjoyed subjects such as biology, anatomy and physiology.
I suppose thats why I chose the path I did and worked in an operating theatre as a theatre technician for 13 years. I just loved being up close and personal as I assissted in all those ops biggrin
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Anais, I saw this programme, and I for one think its amazing. I think Doctor Gunther Von Whatsizname has done, and does do some amazing things, especially his plastination techniques. I hope to go, and take the kids to see his exhibition in manchester, of plastinated figures of the human body at work.
I find everything about the human body so totally fascinating, and just awe inducing, and I avidly watch anything like that. Since I was a child, I have enjoyed subjects such as biology, anatomy and physiology.
I suppose thats why I chose the path I did and worked in an operating theatre as a theatre technician for 13 years. I just loved being up close and personal as I assissted in all those ops biggrin

I didn't see this particular programme but I have seen Gunther do a similar programme before, and I found it extremely fascinating. The use of the naked figure, both male and female, is quite inspired in terms of presentation and in terms of highlighting certain areas of the body. So basically I agree with Mrs B.
By the way Mrs B if you get a chance to see the exhibition of his plastination techniques do go. I went to see it when it was in London, and it was brilliant!
A good programme, not for everyone.
...and the naked body was not just to demonstrate a nose bleed.
I saw one yonks ago, like you Anais, I couldn't stop watching :shock: Then Jamie Oliver had a program a few weeks ago and had that Gunter guy on there then, showing how a large guy literally ate himself to death :shock: Once again, I didn't want to watch that bit, but do you think I could turn that telly over, was blummin glued to it again rolleyes
I'm not sure about it still, in two minds whether it should be shown as entertainment confused As fascinating as it is, the whole thing is still geared up for 'entertainment' as well, and not sure that's respectful to the dead person :?
They don't seem to show the autopsy in a well lit hospital theatre, or in a clinical looking place. They do this build up beforhand, of Gunter walking slowly along in his robes, looking very imposing and bluddy scary really :?
He's slowly walking to the body, through the hollow corridoors in the dim light. He gradually appears from the darkest corridoor into a shadowy view. You can see the paint peeling on the concrete walls, bits of concrete missing in places, hear his footsteps approacing the body in hollow steps. You can hear leaks dripping (water dripping I mean, not vegetables drooling :? ). Can't remember if they have moody music as well, I think they do at the beginning, but then just the sound of hollow footsteps n stuff after that.
It's all very geared up for impact, so by the time he eventually reaches the body, I'm watching the program from behind a cushion :shock:
The way it's all done kind of reminds me of silence of the lambs, which scared the crap out of me :? don't know why it reminds me of that, just the whole atmosphere that's created I think :?
Fair play tho, once he reaches the body and starts his work, he does seem to be in total work mode, very focussed, very informative, and very, professional. The theatrics does stop once he reaches the body, and the cushion comes away from in front of my face - although stays in my lap, just in case they do more theatre stuff and make the body leap up or something :?
So, I'm still in two minds - I can't turn it off once it starts, but on the other hand, I can't help feeling that I shouldn't be watching it, that I'm intruding :?
Even when it's all finished, I'm still sat there thinking I shouldn't of watched it :? and feel almost guilty for doing so :?
Missy, it is only meat, nothing more. Anything else that was there has gone. Like a butterfly the sole has spread it's wings and left a dried out husk behind, no longer of value.
You have nothing to feel guilty about.
Travis
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Missy, it is only meat, nothing more. Anything else that was there has gone. Like a butterfly the sole has spread it's wings and left a dried out husk behind, no longer of value.
You have nothing to feel guilty about.
Travis

kiss beautifully put
The guilt thing, I can't say I'm sat there for hours beating myself up, it's just a feeling I have when the credits go up........ I think it's because of the 'entertainment' factor, trying to figure out my reasons for watching it.
I must admit, I've seen a couple now (all by accident, but couldn't turn over confused ), and the guilt is nowhere near as bad the last time as it was the first. I think that's because the first time, as horrible as it sounds, it was the morbid fascination that got me. Gunter could've been doing a puppet show in the background and I wouldn't of noticed, I just couldn't take my eyes off the body :shock:
The last one I saw, it was more fascination towards the absolute magical functions of the human body. It really is an amazing machine, how on earth did evolve like that, tis bluddy excellent. How does evolution work, it's not like at the office and you realise you need something to do your job properly, so order one on the next stationary order ........ we just grow and develop stuff like magic :shock:
Then you get the flip side of evolution I suppose, and get things like the Daddy Longlegs! :undecided: Evolution seems to have play some naughty tricks on them :? Unless they really needed wings to fly about in every direction apart from forwards :? dunno
Sorry, off on another trail there :? I'm still in two minds whether real bodies should be shown. It does make for incredible impact, but is it necessary :dunno: the same information can surely be given on a fake body or something :dunno:
Did you see the piece where they demonstrated bones bleeding. They said it was the first time it was done. So yes they need a real body to prove that.
W does not like the programme and will not look at it. She is happy with fictional programmes. It is just different to know it is a real body.
Watched a documentry about forensic science in the USA where donated bodies were left in the open air or partly buried to help science understand how long they'd been dead by the deterioration of the bodies. Now that was gruesome!!! :shock:
I also can find myself fascinated by programmes such as this...
or other well presented documentaries giving an insight into nature of the human and it's workings.
As mentioned above though, I can feel uncomfortable when viewing, though can't quite put my finger on the where's or whyfore's of this discomfort.
I also saw this Gunter-Chaps Bodyworks exhibition when in London.. again fascinating... though I did have some quite deep reservations surrounding it.
At the time, when the idea behind the 'show' was quite fresh (Bodyworks) there was some controversy surrounding his 'sourcing' of the bodies.
All were apparently 'donated' legally, and apparently came from all over the world... but many came from China, and therin lay the controversy.. were bodies being sold/bought with a greater emphasis on money? ... the poor being exploited... or exploiting thier dying in an attempt to raise themselves from the poverty in which they exist?
All though was apparently above board and legitimate.
But:
as engrossing and interesting and amazing the Bodyworks was... the biggest question I had after the show was: 'If all was above board, why on close inspection did the majority of the cadavers on display give every impression of being of Oriental origin, but had had blue or green eyes inserted into skulls/faces? why was that then?
now that I did find disturbing when considering the backstory.
Anyhow, fascinated I was, and fascinated I am.
I think for many there is a deep rooted interest in the bodies of the dead... the mystery, the fear... the wonder. We humans are a strange and inquisitive bunch.
I've also seen some bits and bob's about the BodyFarm, as mentioned by Sword-Stileto there... very valid work in forensics... but it reminds me;
I've read a little of Buddhism, it's practices, and it's schools.
Off hand I can't remember the particular school of Buddhism, nor whether this particular practice for it's monks is still done...
a large section of the focus of Buddhism is the study of 'impermance', things in a state of constant renewal and change.
They would be sat in meditation before a corpse... for a long period of time as the body decomposes before them...
no dripping vegetables there Missy!
lp
I think all bodies used are donated to medical science, so therefore, the bodies are left in the full knowledge that they will be used for whatever purpose to further the information gathered about the human body.
To my mind, even if you watch it from behind a cushion, if you learn just one tiny thing that you didnt know before hand about the human body, then I think it has done the job it was intended for.
AND, by putting within a media such as TV or exhibition, it allows fewer bodies to be needed to reach far more people than if it were to be used by a few doctors to be in a training room.
There will always be unsavoury elements that people prefer not to know about, such as using an electric saw to cut off a specimen, or the way implements like wire cutters are used to snip the ribs, but its a fact of life....thats how they do it, not for showmanship, its real. But again, some people prefer nopt to know these bits (similar to myself not wanting to see where my sunday roast chicken comes from, and how it reaches my plate)
And I do think that all of the staff on the Gunther Von Thingy programmes do show a good level of respect and reverence for the fact that they are using human specimens, and are in no way disrespectful with any of the bodies or body parts they use.
I saw this guy on that prog with Jamie Oliver about our eating habits and he had sliced a cross section of 2 frozen bodies to show how and where fat is stored in the body - fascinating! :shock:
I've witnessed operations first hand and deal with death and corpses on a regular basis through my work but I don't think I could watch an autopsy. :scared:
I saw that programme with Jamie Oliver, certainly made ya think!
As for autopsy one... it was fascinating, but Im sort of questioning why they do it for the general public? Is it to educate them? Or is just because they can do it, knowing people will watch it???
I remember years ago watching something about funerals and seeing a cremation...it was one of those things, once you'd started watching you had to finish. Made me want to be burried rather than cremated! And I have a fear of cremations/being cremated now....confused
My sister has left wishes for donated her body to Medical Science... not sure what i think of that either!
When working in nursing, we had a nun who wanted to donate her body and I was with her when she died. Her wishes were granted, but it was strange not having a funeral/cremation etc and she didnt want a service.. if was sort of not finished for some people (hard to expain what I mean here...sorry).
T-man yes i know that the model was used for other demonstration purposes, but there was no reason why she couldnt have worn a robe for the *how to stop a nose bleed demonstration?????* Im not a prude by any means.. just seemed a bit weird!
Must ask my sister if she has someone demonstrate it nude when she does her first aid teaching next :? :? wink
I choose not to watch - personal choice. I find it disrespectful and distasteful.
But give me a naked body (alive of course) and I will conduct a full and thorough body search........ :twisted:
for me it was just like being back at work lol