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I never liked him when he was in Culture Club to be honest
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I wonder how all the liberals out there would feel if it was their child killed in the most horrific way, or your son or Daughter?
If my child was killed in the most horrific way I would not want just ANYONE jailed to make me feel better.
I would want the person who actually did it to be caught and imprisoned.
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I wonder how all the liberals out there would feel if it was their child killed in the most horrific way, or your son or Daughter?
Firstly, this wasn't a child. Cheap emotive sentence. Secondly, there just may be people on this board that have been in a similar situation to that. Have you?
I can say with 100% certainty that if something like that happened to my child I would not want someone innocent of the crime to die for it. I would want the person responsible dead, but wouldn't be willing to see someone die unless there was no doubt whatsoever of their guilt. And even then, I would not want a paid civil servant to do the job (but I would be more than willing).
I still say there was enough there to convict George and there is still doubts there even from the police.
There clearly wasn't or he would be in prison.
This guy has an IQ of 75. Initial reports at the time suggested that the police were fairly sure it was a professional hit - that alone raises question marks for me.
Add to that the fact that the forensic "evidence" given in the initial trial has since been found to be flawed, all you have is a weird loner who happened to live in the same postcode - and one person that claims to have seen him in the area around the time (spooky, as he lives there). Not enough for a conviction and certainly not enough to condemn a man to death, no matter how weird or repugnant he may be.
Wikipedia carries some info about the specifics of the retrial - ( ) - what evidence is it that you think was enough?
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I wonder how all the liberals out there would feel if it was their child killed in the most horrific way, or your son or Daughter?
Firstly, this wasn't a child. Cheap emotive sentence. Secondly, there just may be people on this board that have been in a similar situation to that. Have you?
I can say with 100% certainty that if something like that happened to my child I would not want someone innocent of the crime to die for it. I would want the person responsible dead, but wouldn't be willing to see someone die unless there was no doubt whatsoever of their guilt. And even then, I would not want a paid civil servant to do the job (but I would be more than willing).
I still say there was enough there to convict George and there is still doubts there even from the police.
There clearly wasn't or he would be in prison.
This guy has an IQ of 75. Initial reports at the time suggested that the police were fairly sure it was a professional hit - that alone raises question marks for me.
Add to that the fact that the forensic "evidence" given in the initial trial has since been found to be flawed, all you have is a weird loner who happened to live in the same postcode - and one person that claims to have seen him in the area around the time (spooky, as he lives there). Not enough for a conviction and certainly not enough to condemn a man to death, no matter how weird or repugnant he may be.
Wikipedia carries some info about the specifics of the retrial - ( ) - what evidence is it that you think was enough?
The police officer who was second in command gave his thoughts yesterday. George said when arrested that he had never heard of Jill Dando and still maintained that yesterday, even though pictures of her were found in his home. :shock:
I found this interesting reading myself.
TOP cop IAN HORROCKS was second in command in the Dando investigation led by Det Chief Supt Hamish Campbell. Here the retired detective inspector, pictured at the murder scene yesterday, speaks his mind about the case for the first time.
I HAVE to accept the result of the retrial—but I agreed with the first jury's verdict. We carried out a thorough investigation and eliminated all suspects apart from one—Barry George.
We've faced criticism that we just picked the ‘local nutter' off the street and charged him with a murder we wanted solved. That is ridiculous.
A lot of the evidence against George was circumstantial, but it could not be ignored. He was a prolific stalker of women. He lived near Jill Dando and I believe he had a fixation with her.
When we searched his home we found an empty holster, gun magazines, condolence cards to Jill and rolls of film of hundreds of women.
He had convictions for attempted and indecent assault and he had been arrested in Kensington Gardens wearing camouflage clothing in possession of a rope and a knife.
Hair
This, coupled with his interest in ninjas, the SAS and guns, could not be ignored.
On top of this there was forensic evidence placing him at the scene. A particle of firearms residue in his coat pocket matched that found in Miss Dando's hair. Although this wasn't allowed as evidence in the retrial we say there is still no answer to why it was there. A fibre found on Jill's coat at the scene was identical to a pair of trousers owned by George.
When we found the photograph of Barry George wearing a gas mask and holding a gun, this became a significant part of our inquiry. These are not the actions of a normal person.
The evidence just kept building. But we did not allow ourselves to be blinkered into focusing on just one suspect. Every line of inquiry was followed up.
This was the most difficult case of my career. There was a lack of eye-witness accounts and limited forensic opportunities. And there were so many theories flying around—one that it was the work of a contract killer. But if it was, he would surely have fired more than one shot to make sure Miss Dando was dead. Also it is unlikely a professional would have got this close to the victim and risked leaving forensics.
The other theories were numerous: The killer was an ex-boyfriend, an obsessive, a stalker, the Russian Mafia, someone arrested through Crimewatch. All her boyfriends were questioned and had alibis. The Crimewatch theory was probably the only other theory that carried weight for me. But we investigated them all.
I believe most of the theories can be knocked down by the fact that video evidence from 191 CCTV cameras showed Jill was not followed.
Hedge
This week I went back to No 29 Gowan Avenue where she was shot dead. The street is still the same. The likelihood is that her killer was waiting crouched behind the hedge in the front garden—and jumped out just as she put the key in the door.
Stranger murders like this are the most difficult to investigate. And I know of no other investigation where there were so many potential suspects. Because of exhaustive enquiries and information from the public over 2,100 people were named as being involved.
Every avenue was pursued—but we kept coming back to George.
It has been shown he was a significant threat to women and holds an unhealthy attraction towards them.
Whether he continues to be a danger is not for me to say. What everyone must do is to accept the verdict.
That is what the jury had to go by in the first trial and most I think would have found him guilty on that evidence? Maybe not. I feel sorry for her family though as it is quite obvious that the police thought and still think they had the right man. On that basis nobody will ever be convicted for killing Miss Dando, even her family have said as much.
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I wonder how all the liberals out there would feel if it was their child killed in the most horrific way, or your son or Daughter?
Firstly, this wasn't a child. Cheap emotive sentence. Secondly, there just may be people on this board that have been in a similar situation to that. Have you?
I can say with 100% certainty that if something like that happened to my child I would not want someone innocent of the crime to die for it. I would want the person responsible dead, but wouldn't be willing to see someone die unless there was no doubt whatsoever of their guilt. And even then, I would not want a paid civil servant to do the job (but I would be more than willing).
I still say there was enough there to convict George and there is still doubts there even from the police.
There clearly wasn't or he would be in prison.
This guy has an IQ of 75. Initial reports at the time suggested that the police were fairly sure it was a professional hit - that alone raises question marks for me.
Add to that the fact that the forensic "evidence" given in the initial trial has since been found to be flawed, all you have is a weird loner who happened to live in the same postcode - and one person that claims to have seen him in the area around the time (spooky, as he lives there). Not enough for a conviction and certainly not enough to condemn a man to death, no matter how weird or repugnant he may be.
Wikipedia carries some info about the specifics of the retrial - ( ) - what evidence is it that you think was enough?
Amen to that!
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its never intention of the british law to institute revenge to the perpetrators but to provide justice to the victim(s),the length in prison is to help in conselling the offenders to be more acceptable back in the community but some exceptional murderers and should never be allowed in the streets forever...but if someone killed my loved one in a brutal manner i would wish that they have long life behind bars not rest in peace(R i p)
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I wonder how all the liberals out there would feel if it was their child killed in the most horrific way, or your son or Daughter?
Firstly, this wasn't a child. Cheap emotive sentence. Secondly, there just may be people on this board that have been in a similar situation to that. Have you?
I can say with 100% certainty that if something like that happened to my child I would not want someone innocent of the crime to die for it. I would want the person responsible dead, but wouldn't be willing to see someone die unless there was no doubt whatsoever of their guilt. And even then, I would not want a paid civil servant to do the job (but I would be more than willing).
I still say there was enough there to convict George and there is still doubts there even from the police.
There clearly wasn't or he would be in prison.
This guy has an IQ of 75. Initial reports at the time suggested that the police were fairly sure it was a professional hit - that alone raises question marks for me.
Add to that the fact that the forensic "evidence" given in the initial trial has since been found to be flawed, all you have is a weird loner who happened to live in the same postcode - and one person that claims to have seen him in the area around the time (spooky, as he lives there). Not enough for a conviction and certainly not enough to condemn a man to death, no matter how weird or repugnant he may be.
Wikipedia carries some info about the specifics of the retrial - ( ) - what evidence is it that you think was enough?
Amen to that!
kentswinger777 wrote
Revenge
its never intention of the british law to institute revenge to the perpetrators but to provide justice to the victim(s),the length in prison is to help in conselling the offenders to be more acceptable back in the community but some exceptional murderers and should never be allowed in the streets forever...but if someone killed my loved one in a brutal manner i would wish that they have long life behind bars not rest in peace(R i p)
We all have different opinions on this phuckers, and whilst I agree with the death penalty for SOME crimes, if God forbid it happened to me I dont think I would want them hanged. I would spend my life trying to get even no matter how long it took me to do it. Ya can't get even if that person is dead I suppose m8.
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Those of you playing the “ if it was your child – you would want them dead” card, imagine for a moment being the parents of the person hung for a crime they were later found innocent of.
Would THEY then be entitled to demand the death of the police who arrested their innocent child? The CPS worked who decided to go ahead with the case against their innocent child? The prosecutor who “proved” the guilt of their innocent child? The judge the sentenced to death their innocent child? The civil servant who carried out the death penalty on their innocent child?
No one has the right to take the life of another person, that INCLUDES us as a society looking to get revenge on those we believe are guilty of a crime, regardless of how heinous it may have been.
I agree that many bereaved people WOULD say they wanted the person they believed had murdered their child to face death, that is because they are grieving and it is that grief, rather than a rational person speaking. It is precisely why the relatives should not be given that power.
Would THEY then be entitled to demand the death of the police who arrested their innocent child? The CPS worked who decided to go ahead with the case against their innocent child? The prosecutor who “proved” the guilt of their innocent child? The judge the sentenced to death their innocent child? The civil servant who carried out the death penalty on their innocent child?
No one has the right to take the life of another person, that INCLUDES us as a society looking to get revenge on those we believe are guilty of a crime, regardless of how heinous it may have been.
I agree that many bereaved people WOULD say they wanted the person they believed had murdered their child to face death, that is because they are grieving and it is that grief, rather than a rational person speaking. It is precisely why the relatives should not be given that power.
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Those of you playing the “ if it was your child – you would want them dead” card, imagine for a moment being the parents of the person hung for a crime they were later found innocent of.
Would THEY then be entitled to demand the death of the police who arrested their innocent child? The CPS worked who decided to go ahead with the case against their innocent child? The prosecutor who “proved” the guilt of their innocent child? The judge the sentenced to death their innocent child? The civil servant who carried out the death penalty on their innocent child?
No one has the right to take the life of another person, that INCLUDES us as a society looking to get revenge on those we believe are guilty of a crime, regardless of how heinous it may have been.
I agree that many bereaved people WOULD say they wanted the person they believed had murdered their child to face death, that is because they are grieving and it is that grief, rather than a rational person speaking. It is precisely why the relatives should not be given that power.
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Revenge?
Well I know that Sutcliffe and Huntley are guilty as hell. In my opinion they should have hung them without doubt. I wonder how all the liberals out there would feel if it was their child killed in the most horrific way, or your son or Daughter?
that is the exact reason why I brought up Stefan Kizsko and the Lesley Molseed murder case.....
I encourage you to have a read....
people lied at the trial... police surpressed evidence that would have found him innocent and the people supplied by the crown to defend this man let him down badly....
and many people including you would have had him put to death there and then......
the man eventually died and it still took west yorkshire police another 10 years after that and he'd been free to issue a public apology.......
so anyone asking for the death penalty I would ask this..... what would you say to a family of a person executed on a miscarriage of justice?
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Revenge?
Well I know that Sutcliffe and Huntley are guilty as hell. In my opinion they should have hung them without doubt. I wonder how all the liberals out there would feel if it was their child killed in the most horrific way, or your son or Daughter?
that is the exact reason why I brought up Stefan Kizsko and the Lesley Molseed murder case.....
I encourage you to have a read....
people lied at the trial... police surpressed evidence that would have found him innocent and the people supplied by the crown to defend this man let him down badly....
and many people including you would have had him put to death there and then......
the man eventually died and it still took west yorkshire police another 10 years after that and he'd been free to issue a public apology.......
so anyone asking for the death penalty I would ask this..... what would you say to a family of a person executed on a miscarriage of justice?
have just read that,what a horrible ordeal that should not be allowed in this day and age!
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Revenge?
Well I know that Sutcliffe and Huntley are guilty as hell. In my opinion they should have hung them without doubt. I wonder how all the liberals out there would feel if it was their child killed in the most horrific way, or your son or Daughter?
that is the exact reason why I brought up Stefan Kizsko and the Lesley Molseed murder case.....
I encourage you to have a read....
people lied at the trial... police surpressed evidence that would have found him innocent and the people supplied by the crown to defend this man let him down badly....
and many people including you would have had him put to death there and then......
the man eventually died and it still took west yorkshire police another 10 years after that and he'd been free to issue a public apology.......
so anyone asking for the death penalty I would ask this..... what would you say to a family of a person executed on a miscarriage of justice?
This one also makes grim reading too...
This one also makes grim reading too...
kent777 yet again you've shown your ability to derail from the police and the education system as a lot to answer for those two beauties loss of lifes,Evil Huntenly had several previous history of sexual assualts and yet he had a job as a support teacher. if we had death penalty this idiot could have begged to be excuted like tommorow,wonder why his tried to kill himself....there is not miscarriage of justice on his 48years no parole
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This one also makes grim reading too...
kent777 yet again you've shown your ability to derail from the police and the education system as a lot to answer for those two beauties loss of lifes,Evil Huntenly had several previous history of sexual assualts and yet he had a job as a support teacher. if we had death penalty this idiot could have begged to be excuted like tommorow,wonder why his tried to kill himself....there is not miscarriage of justice on his 48years no parole
He was a caretaker at the local secondary school. His girlfriend was a teaching assistant at the primary school the girls attended. The education system isn't at fault - they would both have had to be CRB checked by the police; the education authority doesn't do that. The school would have trusted that the CRB check was carried out properly, as they usually are.
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Well I know that Sutcliffe and Huntley are guilty as hell. In my opinion they should have hung them without doubt. I wonder how all the liberals out there would feel if it was their child killed in the most horrific way, or your son or Daughter?
I'd want them kept alive in case, as with Sutcliffe/Hindley they actually came up with burial sites!
I know there is one et of remains outstanding but if they had been hung a fair few other parents would be without closure. That is more tragic!
Callie
hmmm, I have to say that this has ended up as one of the best, (if such a discussion can be classed as such), debate I've come across on capital punishment.
In principal I am in favour of capital punishment.
In practice there are so many examples of mis-carraiges of justice I am not sure I would be comfortable passing that sentence unless the evidence was so incontravertable, (please excuse the spelling), that there was and never could be any doubt. It would have to be a case of catching the murderer in the act, having them shout clearly, "I did it, I killed them and they deserved it" and finding detailed plans that they acknowledge they made showing exactly how when and where they planned to do it.
AND have them certified absolutely sane.
Certain people throughout history HAVE deserved the death penalty, Adolf Hitler and his wackey pals, Pol Pot, Iosef Stalin, Beria and his chums, Saddam Hussain, but they are special cases, (although I would have been happier if Saddam had been sentenced to life in one of his own jails).
As for Barry George - potentially he could have done it, even with an IQ similar to a glass of 3 week old water, ANYONE can be lucky occasionally, but at the end of the day, the prosecution have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty and sufficient reasonable doubt exists so this was, (purely in my opinion, based on all I have read, including the Scum's It was him, why hasn't been slaughtered like a pig for butchering St Jill of Dando pieces), the only correct verdict that could have been given.
p.s. Winchwench - tel your freind she is not alone, I too have similar pics
(Airsofting)
In principal I am in favour of capital punishment.
In practice there are so many examples of mis-carraiges of justice I am not sure I would be comfortable passing that sentence unless the evidence was so incontravertable, (please excuse the spelling), that there was and never could be any doubt. It would have to be a case of catching the murderer in the act, having them shout clearly, "I did it, I killed them and they deserved it" and finding detailed plans that they acknowledge they made showing exactly how when and where they planned to do it.
AND have them certified absolutely sane.
Certain people throughout history HAVE deserved the death penalty, Adolf Hitler and his wackey pals, Pol Pot, Iosef Stalin, Beria and his chums, Saddam Hussain, but they are special cases, (although I would have been happier if Saddam had been sentenced to life in one of his own jails).
As for Barry George - potentially he could have done it, even with an IQ similar to a glass of 3 week old water, ANYONE can be lucky occasionally, but at the end of the day, the prosecution have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty and sufficient reasonable doubt exists so this was, (purely in my opinion, based on all I have read, including the Scum's It was him, why hasn't been slaughtered like a pig for butchering St Jill of Dando pieces), the only correct verdict that could have been given.
p.s. Winchwench - tel your freind she is not alone, I too have similar pics
(Airsofting) 
Master of Sex
people lied at the trial... police surpressed evidence that would have found him innocent and the people supplied by the crown to defend this man let him down badly....
More on Steven Kizsco: His defence lawyer was the repellent David Waddington who did such a bad job defending him that he became Margaret Thatcher's Home Secretary. I remember he stood up at one party conference and said he believed in hanging, presumably including his innocent clients. John Major thought so much of him that when he took over Waddington was packed off to rule some Caribbean island.
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This one also makes grim reading too...
kent777 yet again you've shown your ability to derail from the topic.the police and the education system as a lot to answer for those two beauties loss of lifes,Evil Huntenly had several previous history of sexual assualts and yet he had a job as a support teacher. if we had death penalty this idiot could have begged to be excuted like tommorow,wonder why his tried to kill himself....there is not miscarriage of justice on his 48years no parole
Pretty much what everyone does on almost every topic then?
Plus I do not think he was a support teacher. Think he was the caretaker? Also a CRB check was done on him but it failed to show his previous sexual history.
Sorry if I have derailed on the topic, but was only answering another persons derailment! :shock:
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This one also makes grim reading too...
kent777 yet again you've shown your ability to derail from the topic.the police and the education system as a lot to answer for those two beauties loss of lifes,Evil Huntenly had several previous history of sexual assualts and yet he had a job as a support teacher. if we had death penalty this idiot could have begged to be excuted like tommorow,wonder why his tried to kill himself....there is not miscarriage of justice on his 48years no parole
Pretty much what everyone does on almost every topic then?
Plus I do not think he was a support teacher. Think he was the caretaker? Also a CRB check was done on him but it failed to show his previous sexual history.
Sorry if I have derailed on the topic, but was only answering another persons derailment! :shock:
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hmmm, I have to say that this has ended up as one of the best, (if such a discussion can be classed as such), debate I've come across on capital punishment.
In principal I am in favour of capital punishment.
In practice there are so many examples of mis-carraiges of justice I am not sure I would be comfortable passing that sentence unless the evidence was so incontravertable, (please excuse the spelling), that there was and never could be any doubt. It would have to be a case of catching the murderer in the act, having them shout clearly, "I did it, I killed them and they deserved it" and finding detailed plans that they acknowledge they made showing exactly how when and where they planned to do it.
AND have them certified absolutely sane.
Certain people throughout history HAVE deserved the death penalty, Adolf Hitler and his wackey pals, Pol Pot, Iosef Stalin, Beria and his chums, Saddam Hussain, but they are special cases, (although I would have been happier if Saddam had been sentenced to life in one of his own jails).
As for Barry George - potentially he could have done it, even with an IQ similar to a glass of 3 week old water, ANYONE can be lucky occasionally, but at the end of the day, the prosecution have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty and sufficient reasonable doubt exists so this was, (purely in my opinion, based on all I have read, including the Scum's It was him, why hasn't been slaughtered like a pig for butchering St Jill of Dando pieces), the only correct verdict that could have been given.
p.s. Winchwench - tel your freind she is not alone, I too have similar pics
They did at the first trial!
A trial that had a judge, twelve members of a jury, a stack load of barristers and lawyers, and the evidence put before the court. It was a experienced judge who I would have thought, knew the basis of the law and the evidence shown in court. After all that a trial and the jury found him guilty.
Fast forward 8 years, clever lawyers discrediting evidence and hey presto a re trial but....It was not a trial in the sense as the first one with a jury. Oh no it was at the high court where three old farts sat there and dismissed the case. It should have at least be another trial with a jury. Maybe thats the way the law works, but seems a strange one to me.
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This one also makes grim reading too...
kent777 yet again you've shown your ability to derail from the topic.the police and the education system as a lot to answer for those two beauties loss of lifes,Evil Huntenly had several previous history of sexual assualts and yet he had a job as a support teacher. if we had death penalty this idiot could have begged to be excuted like tommorow,wonder why his tried to kill himself....there is not miscarriage of justice on his 48years no parole
Pretty much what everyone does on almost every topic then?
Plus I do not think he was a support teacher. Think he was the caretaker? Also a CRB check was done on him but it failed to show his previous sexual history.
Sorry if I have derailed on the topic, but was only answering another persons derailment! :shock:
oh boy.... where do i start.....
okay.....
the "derailment"..... you were the first people in the thread who brought up the emotive subject of child killers.... so that is why I brought up the stefan kizsko/lesley molssed case......and I also asked you a question at the end of my last bit... of which you decided to ignore and go back to the same emotive subject....
okay... so rather than that one... lets go over another one....
people who have done law have probably heard of Timothy Evans.... it is almost 60 years old but, in relation to this thread I think it is worth bringing up....
Timothy Evans was convicted of the murder of his wife and child in 1949, he was hung for the conviction in 1950......and at this point, all of those who believe in the death penalty may be thinking...."great, glad he got what he deserved!"....one less murderer to think about
but there is one slight problem though..... he never committed any of the crimes he was found guilty for......
the crimes were actually committed by his lodger, John Reg Christie, who went on to kill another 4 women as well.......he was convicted and hung in 1953........
but hey... they got the right one eventually! what does it matter that they killed an innocent one along the way!!!
Timothy Evans was the first person in britain to be given a posthumous free pardon...... shame he wasn't round the receive it.....
and now I would as you the same question I asked at the end of my last post....."anyone asking for the death penalty I would ask this..... what would you say to a family of a person executed on a miscarriage of justice?"
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This one also makes grim reading too...
kent777 yet again you've shown your ability to derail from the topic.the police and the education system as a lot to answer for those two beauties loss of lifes,Evil Huntenly had several previous history of sexual assualts and yet he had a job as a support teacher. if we had death penalty this idiot could have begged to be excuted like tommorow,wonder why his tried to kill himself....there is not miscarriage of justice on his 48years no parole
Pretty much what everyone does on almost every topic then?
Plus I do not think he was a support teacher. Think he was the caretaker? Also a CRB check was done on him but it failed to show his previous sexual history.
Sorry if I have derailed on the topic, but was only answering another persons derailment! :shock:
oh boy.... where do i start.....
okay.....
the "derailment"..... you were the first people in the thread who brought up the emotive subject of child killers.... so that is why I brought up the stefan kizsko/lesley molssed case......and I also asked you a question at the end of my last bit... of which you decided to ignore and go back to the same emotive subject....
okay... so rather than that one... lets go over another one....
people who have done law have probably heard of Timothy Evans.... it is almost 60 years old but, in relation to this thread I think it is worth bringing up....
Timothy Evans was convicted of the murder of his wife and child in 1949, he was hung for the conviction in 1950......and at this point, all of those who believe in the death penalty may be thinking...."great, glad he got what he deserved!"....one less murderer to think about
but there is one slight problem though..... he never committed any of the crimes he was found guilty for......
the crimes were actually committed by his lodger, John Reg Christie, who went on to kill another 4 women as well.......he was convicted and hung in 1953........
but hey... they got the right one eventually! what does it matter that they killed an innocent one along the way!!!
Timothy Evans was the first person in britain to be given a posthumous free pardon...... shame he wasn't round the receive it.....
and now I would as you the same question I asked at the end of my last post....."anyone asking for the death penalty I would ask this..... what would you say to a family of a person executed on a miscarriage of justice?"
Sorry Fabio I did not realise that question was aimed at just me. That is a question that even I struggle to answer if honest. The same thing applies to anyone that has been killed maybe? Sorry obviously would not cut the mustard, for once I am stumped. :shock:
This kind of thread always brings up heated arguements, it always will but, the very cases you bring up I believe would not happen today with the benefits of DNA. You bring up a case thats 60 years old, did they have finger print testing back then? :dunno:
As has been said already unless you actually catch someone in the act and he says " it's a fair cop guv ", you have to rely on evidence to convict. Getting back to the original topic I believe as do the police that they got the right man the first time around. Only time will tell if that ever gets proved to be correct.
There are always going to be cases where evidence could be tampered with to get a conviction, and on the very rare occasion people get it wrong, thats human nature. If you listen to a prison officer he would say everyone in prison is innocent. :shock:
The death penalty will be talked about for years to come, it won't be brought back in this country. The whole point is that I believe George is guilty and if that is the case, spare a thought for the family of Jill Dando, who may just may, have seen her killer walk free. So a question to you, how would you feel if that was the case ? Because while you keep mentioning people who have hung for crimes they did not commit, I wonder how many have been set free, on dodgy evidence who were as guilty as hell? What would you say to those families?
Sex God
okay so getting back to the barry george case... at the retrial it was not 3 jugdes that decided.. it was a full jury... 8 women and 4 men.....
but lets look at some of the evidence...
the two people who saw the killer running away couldn't place barry george in a police line up....
another two people put in a place about 20-30 minutes after the time of the murder..... and no one is doubting he would not of had time to go home, change clothes and do the attack.....
the one speck of gun resedue..... the FBI have not used that in evidence in US courts for the best part of 5 years because it is so unreliable... and it now cannot be use in british courts for that very reason....
so all the evidence the CPS had was circumstansial.... they had no foresenic evidence at all....
I am going to take a bit of what the CPS said...
In a statement it said: "Mr George now has the right to be regarded as an innocent man. But that does not mean it was wrong to bring the case.
"Our test is always whether there is sufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction; it would be wholly wrong only to bring cases where we were guaranteed a conviction."
if the CPS say he is an innocent person... then why can't everyone else?
but lets look at some of the evidence...
the two people who saw the killer running away couldn't place barry george in a police line up....
another two people put in a place about 20-30 minutes after the time of the murder..... and no one is doubting he would not of had time to go home, change clothes and do the attack.....
the one speck of gun resedue..... the FBI have not used that in evidence in US courts for the best part of 5 years because it is so unreliable... and it now cannot be use in british courts for that very reason....
so all the evidence the CPS had was circumstansial.... they had no foresenic evidence at all....
I am going to take a bit of what the CPS said...
In a statement it said: "Mr George now has the right to be regarded as an innocent man. But that does not mean it was wrong to bring the case.
"Our test is always whether there is sufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction; it would be wholly wrong only to bring cases where we were guaranteed a conviction."
if the CPS say he is an innocent person... then why can't everyone else?
Quote by Peanut
You bring up a case thats 60 years old, did they have finger print testing back then?
As an answer and not a criticism, the first British fingerprint bureau at Scotland Yard opened in 1901. The world's first was in Calcutta in 1897.
Sorry, but yes, I'm a geek
Thanks for that.
60 years ago were fingerprints on a national database? There are more ways now to catch someone than there ever has been before. The massive advances in DNA is solving crimes today that have been unsolved for years, as recent events have shown.
Also the use now of CCTV cameras is also a vital part in catching criminals. All these things were a pipe dream 60 years ago. Advances in crime detection and convictions have increased hugely by these relatively new advances. 60 years ago they no doubt would have been using a magnifiying glass to find evidence. :shock: You cannot possibly compare crimes from that long ago as an example. Maybe I am wrong, but that don't often happen.
:lol: :lol: Quote by kentswingers777
The whole point is that I believe George is guilty
You keep saying that but can't come up with one shred of evidence for it.
Do you know that you could be potentially putting yourself and more importantly, this site at risk by repeatedly libelling Barry George? If he decided to sue you and SH for damages you would have to prove in court that he was guilty of Jill Dando's murder.
You wouldn't look so clever then!
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(And answer the question. What have you got against clever lawyers?)
