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Quote by Missy
I detest bullying, I detest racism - whether it be somewhere anonymous like the workplace, or my kids school, or somewhere more famous like the News, the CBB house or wherever else more prominent - I do give a crap!!!

I'm finding it difficult that people find the texture of a loaf of bread more worthy of talking about, should hijack a thread about bullying/racism for the sake of it :shock:

I hate bullying and racism as well, Missy, and you're right, it was not right to start trivialising the thread.
I hope your daughter soon feels better after what must have been a shocking experience. kiss
Mike.
Quote by Missy
I'm finding it difficult that people find the texture of a loaf of bread more worthy of talking about, should hijack a thread about bullying/racism for the sake of it :shock:

Dont for one minute assume I was making light of the bullying/racist aspect of the programme/thread .....mad
Bullying is a subject very close to our hearts as we struggle with it every day with our son..... :x
I was making light of the fact that some people seem to think programmes like BB are the be all and end all..................
People hang on the every move of whoever is in the house....
Its the main topic of conversation at lunch times in thousands of cafe's and canteens no doubt....rolleyes
If people didnt get so embroiled in the bloody programmes in the first place then they wouldnt air them...
Its cheap nasty television.....I wont call it entertainment because it is a far cry from entertainment.............Of that there is no doubt..
Quote by Freckledbird
Am I the only one who doesn't give a crap? confused

Nope lol
Actually... I give a crap! Bullying shouldn't be tolerated regardless of whether these people are famous and regardless of whether it is racial or not. Bullying has been taking place and should be dealt with accordingly... yes I very much do care and very much do give a crap, it's happened to my friend who is black and its happened to my other friend who has a disability.
And also, in my opinion, those sitting around watching and saying/doing nothing are equally guilty!... This may be a TV programme, but it's reality to those inside.
Quote by Missy
Am I the only one who doesn't give a crap? confused

Nope lol
Definately not :thumbup:
I not only give a crap about it, I feel quite passionately about it :?
So maybe sometimes, it's better to ignore a thread that's well within the AUP, to people that do have an opinion on/care/give a crap about?

Apologies Missy, I meant I don't give a crap about BB and Jade Goody, not that I don't give a crap about the issues raised as a result of her actions.
Quote by jaymar
Am I the only one who doesn't give a crap? confused

Nope lol
Actually... I give a crap! Bullying shouldn't be tolerated regardless of whether these people are famous and regardless of whether it is racial or not. Bullying has been taking place and should be dealt with accordingly... yes I very much do care and very much do give a crap, it's happened to my friend who is black and its happened to my other friend who has a disability.
And also, in my opinion, those sitting around watching and saying/doing nothing are equally guilty!... This may be a TV programme, but it's reality to those inside.
Jaymar, I meant I didn't give a crap about BB, not that I don't give a crap about bullying.
Quote by Freckledbird
Am I the only one who doesn't give a crap? confused

Nope lol
Actually... I give a crap! Bullying shouldn't be tolerated regardless of whether these people are famous and regardless of whether it is racial or not. Bullying has been taking place and should be dealt with accordingly... yes I very much do care and very much do give a crap, it's happened to my friend who is black and its happened to my other friend who has a disability.
And also, in my opinion, those sitting around watching and saying/doing nothing are equally guilty!... This may be a TV programme, but it's reality to those inside.
Jaymar, I meant I didn't give a crap about BB, not that I don't give a crap about bullying.
well you should explain your self better in future Freckledbird! bolt
:giggle:
Quote by jaymar
Am I the only one who doesn't give a crap? confused

Nope lol
Actually... I give a crap! Bullying shouldn't be tolerated regardless of whether these people are famous and regardless of whether it is racial or not. Bullying has been taking place and should be dealt with accordingly... yes I very much do care and very much do give a crap, it's happened to my friend who is black and its happened to my other friend who has a disability.
And also, in my opinion, those sitting around watching and saying/doing nothing are equally guilty!... This may be a TV programme, but it's reality to those inside.
I think it's fair to say that there is some confusion here about what anyone gives a crap about :? The original question was posed regarding reality TV, which understandibly, most people don't give a crap about. However the situation has changed to alledged bullying and racism, which most people DO give a crap about.
I am pretty sure that most of us have avoided BB until the subjects of bullying and racism were thrust in our faces through the media.
Quote by Missy
I detest bullying, I detest racism - whether it be somewhere anonymous like the workplace, or my kids school, or somewhere more famous like the News, the CBB house or wherever else more prominent - I do give a crap!!!
I don't like feeling belittled just because this incident took place somewhere that's not 'groovy' or 'interesting' to watch. The fact is it happened, and that's what I care about!!
I also care very much about the fact that I want my little voice heard - it'll never be international, national, county or even bluddy village, but I would like my voice to be heard and not belittled, on a little corner of the www that feels like a second home.
The more I think about this subject, the more passionate I feel about it. As much as I can't abide Jade Goody, I don't feel she was being a racist - an out an out bully yeh, but racist, no, I don't think she has that in her.

I have included this from Missy as I feel pretty much the same. From what I have seen of Jade et al, I agree that her behaviours are that of a bully, I don't however believe she was being racist. I think she would probably have treated in the same way any other woman (whatever colour) who she saw as having more power/confidence than her :?
I haven't watched the show, and I am aware that what C4 show is heavily edited anyway. I only became aware of it because of the media hype. However, from what I have seen it's obvious that Jade was being a bully and I hope she is big enough to hang her head in shame.
Sorry Missy but its the program Big Brother that I don't give a crap about.
We have had 2 out of our 3 children bullied at some point and it is soul destorying!
What I won't watch and couldn't give a crap about is a program channel 4 continue to put out knowing the damage it is causing because it is good ratings.
If no one watched it, the program would be have been pulled as it should have been when the bullying first became apparent and before things escalated.
Quote by BiWelshMinx
Am I the only one who doesn't give a crap? confused

Nope lol
Actually... I give a crap! Bullying shouldn't be tolerated regardless of whether these people are famous and regardless of whether it is racial or not. Bullying has been taking place and should be dealt with accordingly... yes I very much do care and very much do give a crap, it's happened to my friend who is black and its happened to my other friend who has a disability.
And also, in my opinion, those sitting around watching and saying/doing nothing are equally guilty!... This may be a TV programme, but it's reality to those inside.
I think it's fair to say that there is some confusion here about what anyone gives a crap about :? The original question was posed regarding reality TV, which understandibly, most people don't give a crap about. However the situation has changed to alledged bullying and racism, which most people DO give a crap about.
I am pretty sure that most of us have avoided BB until the subjects of bullying and racism were thrust in our faces through the media.
Quote by Missy
I detest bullying, I detest racism - whether it be somewhere anonymous like the workplace, or my kids school, or somewhere more famous like the News, the CBB house or wherever else more prominent - I do give a crap!!!
I don't like feeling belittled just because this incident took place somewhere that's not 'groovy' or 'interesting' to watch. The fact is it happened, and that's what I care about!!
I also care very much about the fact that I want my little voice heard - it'll never be international, national, county or even bluddy village, but I would like my voice to be heard and not belittled, on a little corner of the www that feels like a second home.
The more I think about this subject, the more passionate I feel about it. As much as I can't abide Jade Goody, I don't feel she was being a racist - an out an out bully yeh, but racist, no, I don't think she has that in her.

I have included this from Missy as I feel pretty much the same. From what I have seen of Jade et al, I agree that her behaviours are that of a bully, I don't however believe she was being racist. I think she would probably have treated in the same way any other woman (whatever colour) who she saw as having more power/confidence than her :?
I haven't watched the show, and I am aware that what C4 show is heavily edited anyway. I only became aware of it because of the media hype. However, from what I have seen it's obvious that Jade was being a bully and I hope she is big enough to hang her head in shame.
I agree. I know you said you agree with Missy, but I had actually posted very similar views early on in the thread. I don't think anyone's really falling out here its just that subjects such as these are so emotional.
It's none of my business but maybe it's about time the thread was locked? It could go on getting emotional and confusing for weeks to come otherwise. I think there has been other confusions and upsets on other bits in the thread also.
My original question was how bad would you feel if you were her?
To see yourself as others had seen you .................. a racist and a bully! IMHO she should be ashamed of herself.
I dont give a crap about BB either................... but I do care that a TV programme encouraged such behaviour or didnt try to stop it, at least.
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Please can someone lock it .................... kiss
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Quote by blonde
My original question was how bad would you feel if you were her?
To see yourself as others had seen you .................. a racist and a bully! IMHO she should be ashamed of herself.
I dont give a crap about BB either................... but I do care that a TV programme encouraged such behaviour or didnt try to stop it, at least.
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

APPARENTLY.... she's gutted and very very unhappy about her behaviour... we shall see what tranpsires over next few weeks eh?
xx
I also care, very much so, about bullying and rascism. BB however only did something about the bullying this time because their sponsors withdrew and they realised they were in danger of losing everything for the sake of a few days good viewing figures.
What intrigues me is that the last time I saw bullying on BB (I don't watch it btw but my son keeps me up to date sad ) was when George Gallagher (MP) and Michael Barrymore were viciously bullying a female on BB (Jody was it). I was appalled to see 2 (well) grown men behaving in this fashion, and was further appalled that no one seemed bothered by it, seemingly because the female wasnt a very popular member of the group and was deemed to have asked for it.
Bullying is bullying no matter who is being bullied and I have many times in my life stood beside someone being bullied .. not because I liked them but because NO ONE should be put in this position. However neither George Gallagher nor Michael Barrymore were chastised, pumished or seemingly even criticised for this even though both of them are far more prominent in public life than Jade Goody. Hopefully this time this puerile programme will be taken off and we can get back to some semblance of decency in Channel 4 programmes like porn and nudity and out and out SEX :bounce:
Although I haven't watched all of BB (I have a life), I have watched some of the highlights and would like to make the following points:-
Jade Goody is a foul-mouthed slob of extremely low intelligence, but I heard nothing in her haranguing of Shilpa that was "racist". To refer to Shilpa as "Shilpa Poppadom" would be as offensive to her as somebody calling me "Sarah fish & chips" or Mr Funster "John Lancashire hot-pot". Shilpa Shetty is a cultured, intelligent member of a race that has a strict caste system (no longer legal, but still culturally ingrained) where her family line is at the top of the heap. She handled Jade's "attempt" at bullying with all the dignity and aplomb that her upbringing has taught her.
What worries me the most is the fact that Jermaine Jackson referred to the Goody clan as "white trash" - an insult based only on skin colour, and perception of social position. This was a truly racist slur, yet do we see Tony Blair complaining to the American Congress?? Do we see white people on the streets of London burning effigies of Jermaine Jackson??? No we don't. In this country we have television programmes called "Black Britain" and an entire award ceremony devoted to Music Of Black Origin, but no “white” comparatives. It appears that if a white person makes a disparaging comment to, or about, a person with slightly darker skin than themselves then they are deemed as racist and persecuted by the press (if profitable) and the public. If the opposite happens as in the Jermaine Jackson case, then it appears that it is acceptable. The current political situation in this country doesn’t seem to be that of striving for equality, it seems to be more akin to revenge on our generation for the sins of past generations. Jade spoke to Shilpa in a manner based on her cultural upbringing, and Shilpa replied similarly - and as we saw, the two are vastly different. Jade has as much right to assert herself in her own way as Shilpa did in hers, and the same SHOULD be said for anyone, regardless of their culture or skin-colour. That is equality.
Quote by ForestFunsters
What worries me the most is the fact that Jermaine Jackson referred to the Goody clan as "white trash"

jermaine actually said that he had heard other people use the term white trash, a la jerry springer, and that he wouldnt use it himself to describe another human being. i wont comment on the rest of your post but thought i would set that straight as i was passing through cool
Quote by jaymar
I agree. I know you said you agree with Missy, but I had actually posted very similar views early on in the thread. I don't think anyone's really falling out here its just that subjects such as these are so emotional.
It's none of my business but maybe it's about time the thread was locked? It could go on getting emotional and confusing for weeks to come otherwise. I think there has been other confusions and upsets on other bits in the thread also.

Please don't think I was disagreeing with anything you posted jaymar as I wasn't-I just chose that post you made to highlight the fact that there was some confusion as to what people were and weren't bothered about.
I had read your earlier post and I thought you also had similar views to me, hence you wouldn't object to me nicking one of your posts to reply to ;)
I disagree however that the thread should be locked. Bullying is an important subject and while, here, it is essentially mixed in with a reality show that many don't watch, it is also being addressed in it's own right. Yes, it is an emotional subject from whichever side of the fence one sits on (bullied/observer/even the bully because let's face it to be a bully you need issues), but I don't think a thread should be locked for those reasons. I think the confusion has been cleared up ;) but it is also a sensitive issue that many might feel a need to comment on ;)
Minx x x
There's no reason to lock this thread. It is generating debate and no-one is getting abusive to anyone else. Topics like this always bring forth peoples emotions, so we keep an eye on it, but we won't stifle it or censor it.
Mal
cool
Im bemused by the word 'career', dont you have to have a job? Wtf does she do, and are we not the idiots for tapping into this false celebrity lark?
Quote by Darkfire
yeah have to admit i have read all about it in the papers but knowing what the medias like i tend to take everything they say with a pinch of salt!

:thumbup:
i havent watched any of it so cant really comment (but I'm going to lol) - the programme is heavily edited/ selective over which bits get seen so its worth bearing in mind viewers havent seen the whole story, just the bits that make certain people look bad dunno Much of what I've read about though does feel like the original comments have been taken out of context & blown out of all proportion......but then we've all seen that happen here too! :lol:
I saw this on a news website:
The furore has seen politicians including Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and David Cameron drawn into the row, while 35 MPs have signed a motion condemning the programme, although Channel 4 has stood by it.
TV watchdog Ofcom has now had over 36,000 complaints about the programme, leading sponsor Carphone Warehouse to suspend its affiliation with the show.

and thought.... its a fookin tv programme, ffs! rotflmao I just wish this country would get its knickers in a similar kind of twist over homelessness, rainforest destruction, global warming,poverty, council tax....etc etc etc not some silly bint who's an obvious target to have this lot land in her lap anyway rolleyes
Well, we all love debate and after reading through all of this I still find Dark's post accuretly reflects my own views.
If we were to go into a debate about racism, bullying etc in a scenario away from celebs then all well and good.
Personally I dont give a shit what Jane did or not do, primarily because of cause and effect. It would be interesting to come back to this in say one years time and see what impact her actions have caused on her career.
Quote by Freckledbird
Am I the only one who doesn't give a crap? confused

Nope lol
Actually... I give a crap! Bullying shouldn't be tolerated regardless of whether these people are famous and regardless of whether it is racial or not. Bullying has been taking place and should be dealt with accordingly... yes I very much do care and very much do give a crap, it's happened to my friend who is black and its happened to my other friend who has a disability.
And also, in my opinion, those sitting around watching and saying/doing nothing are equally guilty!... This may be a TV programme, but it's reality to those inside.
Jaymar, I meant I didn't give a crap about BB, not that I don't give a crap about bullying.
Exactly :thumbup:
My apologies for my earlier post. I should have said I don't give a crap about the tv show and never watch is, which is why I'm not commenting on what this Jade person has or has not said.
I do however give a crap about racism and bullying. My son has been on the receiving end of bullying through most of his school life though now at 16 and year 11, it's almost stopped.
Racism really winds me up and agree with Forestfunsters about our inability, whether culturally or because of the pc brigade, to condemn anti white racism. ANY derogatory remarks made by one person to or about another regarding their race, sex, religion, disability or culture should not be tolerated.
We've had some really good debates about bullying recently and if I get chance ( or can be arsed rolleyes ) I'll try to find the link.
*Edit*
Bugger me! ( that is NOT an invitation :dry: ) I found the link. One of the best threads I've even read worship
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/91248.html?highlight=bullying
Quote by BiWelshMinx

I agree. I know you said you agree with Missy, but I had actually posted very similar views early on in the thread. I don't think anyone's really falling out here its just that subjects such as these are so emotional.
It's none of my business but maybe it's about time the thread was locked? It could go on getting emotional and confusing for weeks to come otherwise. I think there has been other confusions and upsets on other bits in the thread also.

Please don't think I was disagreeing with anything you posted jaymar as I wasn't-I just chose that post you made to highlight the fact that there was some confusion as to what people were and weren't bothered about.
I had read your earlier post and I thought you also had similar views to me, hence you wouldn't object to me nicking one of your posts to reply to ;)
I disagree however that the thread should be locked. Bullying is an important subject and while, here, it is essentially mixed in with a reality show that many don't watch, it is also being addressed in it's own right. Yes, it is an emotional subject from whichever side of the fence one sits on (bullied/observer/even the bully because let's face it to be a bully you need issues), but I don't think a thread should be locked for those reasons. I think the confusion has been cleared up ;) but it is also a sensitive issue that many might feel a need to comment on ;)
Minx x x
No don't worry I hadn't taken it as that I was merely just making an observation wink
As for the locking, I agree with Mal and yourself it is an emotional subject, I was just worried yesterday that it was getting out of hand but I am still a novice at this and of course the Mods have experience in this type of thing. smile
On the radio this morning Jade is reported to be feeling suicidal after watching herself dish out her bullying rolleyes
Another publicity ploy?? Sceptical me?? dunno
Quote by Shireen
On the radio this morning Jade is reported to be feeling suicidal after watching herself dish out her bullying rolleyes
Another publicity ploy?? Sceptical me?? dunno

I've just been watching her on GMTV and she's denied saying that... maybe she did say that in passing and has regretted that also!.. she said a few things on GMTV but mostly she based her interview on the love of her kids. I understand she loves her kids and I understand she's feeling remorseful but I wonder whether a lot of her speech is from her PA department?? :roll: Only Jade will know...
Quote by naughtynymphos1
i bloody hate big brother and i bloody hate that Jade to so the combination of them both makes me feel ill lol
not watched it so can't comment confused

snap
Apparently 9 million people watched the eviction on Friday. rolleyes
7 million on Saturday and 5 million yesterday :roll:
That alone, tells me why C4 did nothing to stop it mad
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
p.s. To all victims of bullying or racism kiss
people can say Bb is rubish Tv and stuff.......but what this whole row shows..is how important it actually is. I think it actually holds a mirror up to us all. what went on in the house, which i feel was bullying, rather than racism, goes on in every work place etc ..
because we are older, people find it difficult to complain about it. The program has now ignited a public debate on important issues. maybe we can all look at ourselves and think alittle more about exactly what we say, and do. I say well done BB...for bringing this into the open.
I see Cleo has taken over from Jade Goody.....well Jo and Danielle seem happy to have a new leader of the coven.
Quote by Mr-Powers
I see Cleo has taken over from Jade Goody.....well Jo and Danielle seem happy to have a new leader of the coven.

my thoughts exactly.
I've stopped watching it ................ after Nasty Jade was kicked out.. TG rolleyes
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Quote by shad
I see Cleo has taken over from Jade Goody.....well Jo and Danielle seem happy to have a new leader of the coven.

my thoughts exactly.
Yes mine too. And Cleo took great delight in ridiculing Dirk in front of other even when he'd politely asked her not to.