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Am I being dense??
Surely, sex in public used to be the normal thing to do.
I always thought that the notion of sex being a private thing was quite a recent innovation that sought to impose an un-natural restriction in the face of millions of years of evolution.
There are animals around that do sneak off to have sex in private, but homo erectus was never one of them. Well, I've never seen it suggested that this was the case.
So, any historians or an -ologist that can explain WHY homo erectus suddenly decided that sex in public was a bad thing?
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Well, as an -ologist myself (I'm not *just* a little blue dog, you know 
), I know that evolutionary psychologists have proposed theories as to why humans "prefer" to have sex in public, and indeed, why sex in public is a turn on for a lot of folks. I'm not sure what the most popular theories are at the moment, but I could look them up if you like 8) , but maybe it would be more interesting to hear the views of people on here rather than the views of theorists who probably have never swung in their lives (but then again, judging by some -ologists I know, they all probably have :wink: :wink: )
Great question though, Kat!
), I know that evolutionary psychologists have proposed theories as to why humans "prefer" to have sex in public, and indeed, why sex in public is a turn on for a lot of folks. I'm not sure what the most popular theories are at the moment, but I could look them up if you like 8) , but maybe it would be more interesting to hear the views of people on here rather than the views of theorists who probably have never swung in their lives (but then again, judging by some -ologists I know, they all probably have :wink: :wink: )Great question though, Kat!
Wow, David... how to win friends and influence people... 
Mmm... I never set myself up as anything. If people ask questions, I try and answer. Sometimes I can help. Sometimes I can't. But at least I try as few other buggers seem to be bothered. If I ignored those with questions, I'd be, well... okay in your view, would I?
So you wrote me an email? Funny, I don't recall it. How dreadful of me. Please, do refresh me of it's contents and I'll try to make amends.
Health, wealth, chocolate fudge cake. :D :D
Hxx
as for the lovely HEATHER who appears to have set herself up as an online authority on all things naughty and a sexy agony aunt-I might take you seriously if you had the warmth and good will to answer e-mails that someone has taken the trouble to write you with the best of intentions--ignoring them says an awful lot about you young lady
Mmm... I never set myself up as anything. If people ask questions, I try and answer. Sometimes I can help. Sometimes I can't. But at least I try as few other buggers seem to be bothered. If I ignored those with questions, I'd be, well... okay in your view, would I?
So you wrote me an email? Funny, I don't recall it. How dreadful of me. Please, do refresh me of it's contents and I'll try to make amends.
Health, wealth, chocolate fudge cake. :D :D
Hxx
Sex God
Seems that David annoyed (well, actually I wasn't annoyed just quite bemused) more than just me today. There must have been something in the air today, as quite a few terse posts were sent.... I did see what David wrote about Heather earlier today and didn't comment as I thought it wasn't my place to, but now Heather has put the record well and truly straight, I'll just say that I thought David's comments were out of order. I'll leave it at that as I don't want to spark off another round.... 
Well MARK my Heather jibe is really quite civil and more a wake-up call then anything-we are all open to criticism on public boards and forgive me if I missed something here but there are an awful lot of ' advice ' posts from the lady in question-and if someone sets themself up in that mode you must be prepared for criticism dont you think? as for the ' not answering mails ' jibe--like many genuine guys on here I'm both annoyed and tired of the umpteen timewasters who are just toying with fantasy on such sites-placeing ads etc yet have no intention of really meeting etc one guy on here quotes of having a 5% success rate or the same percentage of genuine advertisers etc I think you should check out such compliants of timewasters if possible--------the same applies to those who may have previously had contact but dont wish to continue-surely sending a mail stating no longer interested etc would be the decent thing to do? but to ignore umpteen mails and phone calls is down right rude overall I certainly dont mean to be nasty--rude or cause upset but sometimes things have to be said to clear the air-call it whingeing if you will but..I think its healthy etci
Sex God
You are entitled to your opinion, David4, glad you've got it all off your chest now
Warming the Bed
Cor! Pop out for a few hours and miss all the fun! Typical!
Yes indeedy - trying to type with a beautiful little girl held in his arms! And coping extremely well, may I say.
Yes mistress.
Missed that - any chance you could scan and post it for us?
Longer ago than you might think - sexual privacy has been the norm for all of recorded history (about 4500 years), though of course there have been societies less prudish than most. Mesopotamia (in particular the followers of the goddess Ishtar) has the oldest written records (found so far) and even then sex was normally private. Prostitution was common though, which is why it's often called the "oldest profession"
OK the bell's gone - off you go to your next lesson!
david4 wrote lots of stuff that I didn't bother to read all the way through, and he's been answered effectively already, so I won't add to that part.
Geoff
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Geoff - do you KNOW what Mark is doing these days??
Yes indeedy - trying to type with a beautiful little girl held in his arms! And coping extremely well, may I say.
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BTW Has anyone seen The Sun today? - there was a brill cartoon in it about dogging
Missed that - any chance you could scan and post it for us?
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So, any historians or an -ologist that can explain WHY homo erectus suddenly decided that sex in public was a bad thing?
Longer ago than you might think - sexual privacy has been the norm for all of recorded history (about 4500 years), though of course there have been societies less prudish than most. Mesopotamia (in particular the followers of the goddess Ishtar) has the oldest written records (found so far) and even then sex was normally private. Prostitution was common though, which is why it's often called the "oldest profession"
OK the bell's gone - off you go to your next lesson!
david4 wrote lots of stuff that I didn't bother to read all the way through, and he's been answered effectively already, so I won't add to that part.
Geoff
Sex God
Hope you had fun while you were out, Geoff, despite the rain!
The article from The Sun has been posted kindly by Mark for all to see, it's on a thread a bit further down that this one.
You sound very knowledgebale about the history of sex, will that be your specialised subject for Master Mind then According to evolutionary psychologists, the "desire" for sex in private goes back further than recorded history. Apparently, according to one theory, the privacy thing originated when we were still living very much as apes do today, in troops with one or two Alpha males who dominated the troop. These "top dogs" could have sex with any females they wished, but males lower in the hierarchy had to sneak around in arder to get any, and obviously this had to be done behind the alpha males' backs to avoid a beating. Thus, males lower in the social hierarchy and female who wished to have sex with the lower males did it in private. Somewhere along the line - probably as societies began to form and pairing became the norm for humans, the sex in private thing stuck.
So, there you go, that's lesson 2! :wink:
The article from The Sun has been posted kindly by Mark for all to see, it's on a thread a bit further down that this one.
You sound very knowledgebale about the history of sex, will that be your specialised subject for Master Mind then
According to evolutionary psychologists, the "desire" for sex in private goes back further than recorded history. Apparently, according to one theory, the privacy thing originated when we were still living very much as apes do today, in troops with one or two Alpha males who dominated the troop. These "top dogs" could have sex with any females they wished, but males lower in the hierarchy had to sneak around in arder to get any, and obviously this had to be done behind the alpha males' backs to avoid a beating. Thus, males lower in the social hierarchy and female who wished to have sex with the lower males did it in private. Somewhere along the line - probably as societies began to form and pairing became the norm for humans, the sex in private thing stuck. So, there you go, that's lesson 2! :wink:
Warming the Bed
Hi Blue - yeah, spotted it after I'd posted, thanks. And thanks for lesson 2 too! Interesting, and certainly plausible.
Good stuff, this, innit? Evolutionary psychology and history on a swinging site at this time of night.
I'm an historian, amongst many other things, not just sexual history, but it's impossible to learn (or, as I do, teach) about any society without knowing something about it's sexual and religious customs, which were usually interconnected. Ishtar is one of my favourites though - later "copies" include Astarte in Phoenicia, Aphrodite in Greece and Venus in the Roman Empire. You (and Jags, and Heather) will no doubt be glad to hear that Mesopotamia, the earliest known civilisation, was originally a matriarchy! And quite right too - it's been all downhill since the men took over!
Did get on Mastermind once, ages ago - came third in one of the qualifying heats. My specialist subject was Lord of the Rings - now not allowed because so many people have chosen it! That was back in the days when my brain still worked.
Good stuff, this, innit? Evolutionary psychology and history on a swinging site at this time of night.
I'm an historian, amongst many other things, not just sexual history, but it's impossible to learn (or, as I do, teach) about any society without knowing something about it's sexual and religious customs, which were usually interconnected. Ishtar is one of my favourites though - later "copies" include Astarte in Phoenicia, Aphrodite in Greece and Venus in the Roman Empire. You (and Jags, and Heather) will no doubt be glad to hear that Mesopotamia, the earliest known civilisation, was originally a matriarchy! And quite right too - it's been all downhill since the men took over!
You sound very knowledgebale about the history of sex, will that be your specialised subject for Master Mind then
Did get on Mastermind once, ages ago - came third in one of the qualifying heats. My specialist subject was Lord of the Rings - now not allowed because so many people have chosen it! That was back in the days when my brain still worked.
You (and Jags, and Heather) will no doubt be glad to hear that Mesopotamia, the earliest known civilisation, was originally a matriarchy!
Can't speak for Jags or Blue, Geoff, but I'm more than happy to leave things up to you blokes.... just put the kettle on, pass me the remote and do the washing up before you nip off to conquer the world, would you dear? ... and bring us back a 500g bar of Galaxy.
:lol: :lol: Heather-I'm certainly not too proud to take a step back and admit I was a tad bit hastey earlier in my comments about you--yes it was unfair of me I now see that-although I defend the right to have one's own opinion and to voice it without fear that it might go against the grain etc its unfair to tear a strip off someone publicly when they're not around to defend themselves-I could have least done it via a private pm-I am sorry to cause you upset! not least I count myself amongst the many males here who appreciate a lady who's genuine and consistant in this community-my 'rant' earlier was really directed at the many females in the ad's that are indeed timewasters and just playing around with fantasy with no real intention of meeting anyone--there are enough of them! my simple rule of thumb to suss out the fakes is simple-I simply ask them to call my mobile number that I always send--quite a simple thing to do or text etc but guess what 99% wont! I used to think it was shyness on their part not wanting to call a strange male...so text instead! but no most wont..if there are any genuine lady advertisers reading this please stop the rot and do the above if a reply interests you
Sex God
I'll tell the the reason why I never ring mobile numbers left to me by men, even if I'm interested - not because I'm shy (I'm not), but because it's so bloody expensive! Text is cheap yes, but one text invariably sparks off a whole round of them which believe me does become expensive :shock: . The only people that profit out of situations like this are the mobile phone companies! What's wrong with email, it's free! 8)
Geoff - it was a joke about Mastermind, but it's great you actuallyt went on it 8) 8) 8)
I think the history of sex is very very interesting indeed, but I'm not sure about the matriarchy either. It's not that I think patriarchies any better, I just don't like the thought of any one group being in charge, just leads to them feathering their own nests at the expensive of other groups. With a matriarchy, can you imagine - knitting needles at dawn and all that :wink: :wink:
Geoff - it was a joke about Mastermind, but it's great you actuallyt went on it 8) 8) 8)
I think the history of sex is very very interesting indeed, but I'm not sure about the matriarchy either. It's not that I think patriarchies any better, I just don't like the thought of any one group being in charge, just leads to them feathering their own nests at the expensive of other groups. With a matriarchy, can you imagine - knitting needles at dawn and all that
:wink: :wink: 
Orgasminator
Hi David,
Dogging was an active pastime during the 1960's, i suppose it has in fact been going on since the advent of the private motor car. During the later years of that decade I used to take a married lady friend
from Newcastle upon Tyne to Tranwell Airfield near Morpeth, Northumberland. This site is a disused WW2 airfield and in the surrounding woodlands were tarmac parking bays for aircraft. A very popular site for couples and as I later found out Doggers. My lady friend used to get very excited at the thought of being watched, and it added quite a bit of spice to the activities in the back seat of my car. She welcomed watchers but no additional participants. Later we would do a little dogging ourselves around the area.
Sadly after some ten years part of the woodlands were sold off for redevelopement and we had to seek new pastures, fields and woods etc. :cry:
In those now far off times, we weren't called Doggers but used the term Birdwatchers (no pun intended) just about everyone had a pair of binoculars and as an extra safeguard a bird book of some description in the car or coat pocket, at night we could claim to be looking for Owls or Nightjars etc.
You must admit its easier to carry a book and binoculars than have a dog
:shock: (canine) in the back of the car, and its a pretty feeble excuse to say your walking the dog if your 50 miles from home, if, or when, the local plod comes around. Birdwatching was a far better and more believable excuse.
Communication between Doggers and Swingers then was by coded message in underground papers and magazines, a very slow and laborious process not like today when we have computers and Good Guys like Mark to run sites like this. Setting up a simple meeting for either purpose could take weeks.
Birdwatching, as we called it then, is alas no more, but it might be worth while for at least some Doggers to carry binoculars and a bird book, especially if they dont have a dog to take with them. 8) I must admit there is many a nostalgic feeling when I pass that old airfield site now.
Perhaps those memories are like those we all have of our childhood when all summer days were hot and sunny, but theyr'e worth remembering.
Today when I go Dogging I no longer carry the old binoculars or bird book I now have a cast iron excuse for being anywhere in woods, fields, and all other Dogging sites by day or night, if the local plod arrives. Its so good I think it would stand up in the highest courts in the land. Its perfect. What is it? Well, I just might tell someone on my deathbed but not before.
Unless of course some nice lady would like to accompany me Dogging sometime. :wink:
Harry0
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I was swinging before they invented the pendulum. lol
Dogging was an active pastime during the 1960's, i suppose it has in fact been going on since the advent of the private motor car. During the later years of that decade I used to take a married lady friend
from Newcastle upon Tyne to Tranwell Airfield near Morpeth, Northumberland. This site is a disused WW2 airfield and in the surrounding woodlands were tarmac parking bays for aircraft. A very popular site for couples and as I later found out Doggers. My lady friend used to get very excited at the thought of being watched, and it added quite a bit of spice to the activities in the back seat of my car. She welcomed watchers but no additional participants. Later we would do a little dogging ourselves around the area.Sadly after some ten years part of the woodlands were sold off for redevelopement and we had to seek new pastures, fields and woods etc. :cry:
In those now far off times, we weren't called Doggers but used the term Birdwatchers (no pun intended)
just about everyone had a pair of binoculars and as an extra safeguard a bird book of some description in the car or coat pocket, at night we could claim to be looking for Owls or Nightjars etc.You must admit its easier to carry a book and binoculars than have a dog
:shock: (canine) in the back of the car, and its a pretty feeble excuse to say your walking the dog if your 50 miles from home, if, or when, the local plod comes around. Birdwatching was a far better and more believable excuse.
Communication between Doggers and Swingers then was by coded message in underground papers and magazines, a very slow and laborious process not like today when we have computers and Good Guys like Mark
to run sites like this. Setting up a simple meeting for either purpose could take weeks.Birdwatching, as we called it then, is alas no more, but it might be worth while for at least some Doggers to carry binoculars and a bird book, especially if they dont have a dog to take with them. 8) I must admit there is many a nostalgic feeling when I pass that old airfield site now.
Perhaps those memories are like those we all have of our childhood when all summer days were hot and sunny, but theyr'e worth remembering.
Today when I go Dogging I no longer carry the old binoculars or bird book I now have a cast iron excuse for being anywhere in woods, fields, and all other Dogging sites by day or night, if the local plod arrives. Its so good I think it would stand up in the highest courts in the land. Its perfect. What is it? Well, I just might tell someone on my deathbed but not before.
Unless of course some nice lady would like to accompany me Dogging sometime. :wink: Harry0
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I was swinging before they invented the pendulum. lol
History of Sex,
Cor, can't get all the quotes in, but just to say "Exactly what I was thinking"
Sex became all cocked up when it was no longer the alpha males ruling the pack.
Up till then - us Beta males were not getting as much as we wanted, so when the opportunity came, we brought in a rule where each male was allocated a woman to have sex with. That way we all got a piece of the action. And we called this rule - marriage. :lol:
Dont you just love laymens views??
Cor, can't get all the quotes in, but just to say "Exactly what I was thinking"
Sex became all cocked up when it was no longer the alpha males ruling the pack.
Up till then - us Beta males were not getting as much as we wanted, so when the opportunity came, we brought in a rule where each male was allocated a woman to have sex with. That way we all got a piece of the action. And we called this rule - marriage.
:lol: Dont you just love laymens views??
Sex God
Actually, KitKat, you've pretty much summed up evolutionary psychology's theoretical perspective on marriage, and I would have gone on to say something like that in my last post on this topic if I had not been too tired to write any more What you've described is what happened when "civilisation" took over from the "law of the jungle". Full marks, go to the top of the class :wink: :wink: :wink:
What you've described is what happened when "civilisation" took over from the "law of the jungle". Full marks, go to the top of the class :wink: :wink: :wink: Right,
serious head on.
Why is it that all e-mails and PM's from single men do not receive a grateful reply? There is an old joke, when a woman says no she means maybe, when a woman says maybe she means yes, when a woman says yes she is no lady. There are too many blokes around who think this is a truisim, and adopt the attitude that if they get a polite but firm 'No' it is just an invite to try harder and send more messages.
Every message Kit and I receive creates an impression on us. That impression dictates how we reply. If we do not reply at all, it is because we have made a conscious decision not to. That is our right, we will NOT be replying to contacts that do not make us want to reply. And for all those people who have not received replies, Nobody is in here to turn down gift horses, we are in here looking for something. If you are not it, you are not it. Have you ever considered that the lack of reply is not because you sent a message to a snotty cow, but that your message just made us feel, uncomfortable. If you send an e-mail or PM that makes us feel uncomfortable, we are not about to say "lets go and shag him just in case we are wrong"
Agony aunt comment - give me a break, things may be different on planet Zog, but on this planet there are precious few people who would have the courage to join in this forum without the reasoned and sensible advice that is given.
And finally!
For F***s sake lighten up!
This is about fun!
lhk
Kat
serious head on.
Why is it that all e-mails and PM's from single men do not receive a grateful reply? There is an old joke, when a woman says no she means maybe, when a woman says maybe she means yes, when a woman says yes she is no lady. There are too many blokes around who think this is a truisim, and adopt the attitude that if they get a polite but firm 'No' it is just an invite to try harder and send more messages.
Every message Kit and I receive creates an impression on us. That impression dictates how we reply. If we do not reply at all, it is because we have made a conscious decision not to. That is our right, we will NOT be replying to contacts that do not make us want to reply. And for all those people who have not received replies, Nobody is in here to turn down gift horses, we are in here looking for something. If you are not it, you are not it. Have you ever considered that the lack of reply is not because you sent a message to a snotty cow, but that your message just made us feel, uncomfortable. If you send an e-mail or PM that makes us feel uncomfortable, we are not about to say "lets go and shag him just in case we are wrong"
Agony aunt comment - give me a break, things may be different on planet Zog, but on this planet there are precious few people who would have the courage to join in this forum without the reasoned and sensible advice that is given.
And finally!
For F***s sake lighten up!
This is about fun!
lhk
Kat
Sex God
Here, here - well said, Kat!!!!
Got to go with KitKat, Blue and Heather x xx x
As for marriage - DON'T start me, it's church and state promoted 'purely' to control the masses and to punish the people for partaking of a natural function. The idea of human actions and functions being 'dirty' is a long promoted one and one which many tribes (to use an old term) did not subscribe.
Man and woman should be equal, but some are more equal than others!! Giving or taking control should be a gift not an imposition. I saw a chap the other day being interviewed on TV (?) about his book 'Adam's Curse'. The scientific premise was that in 125,000years men will no longer exist at all!!! Glad I 'm around now to enjoy the willing man at my feet
Now.. can we all be nice? Love, peace and chocolate for all.
x xx
As for marriage - DON'T start me, it's church and state promoted 'purely' to control the masses and to punish the people for partaking of a natural function. The idea of human actions and functions being 'dirty' is a long promoted one and one which many tribes (to use an old term) did not subscribe.
Man and woman should be equal, but some are more equal than others!! Giving or taking control should be a gift not an imposition. I saw a chap the other day being interviewed on TV (?) about his book 'Adam's Curse'. The scientific premise was that in 125,000years men will no longer exist at all!!! Glad I 'm around now to enjoy the willing man at my feet
Now.. can we all be nice? Love, peace and chocolate for all.
x xx
Sex God
OK, so if in 125 000 years men do not exist, what did the experts say will take their place (Kat, don't say £5 vibrators from pub loos!)?
Sex God
I can't see how it will be much different in 125 000 years time then, aren't men already playthings? Hope so :lol: :lol:
Not sure about the reproduction thing though - doesn't cloning do horrible things to genes (any biologists in the house?)? :shock:
:lol: :lol: Not sure about the reproduction thing though - doesn't cloning do horrible things to genes (any biologists in the house?)? :shock:
doesn't cloning do horrible things to genes
Shouldn't that be Jeans?
I think there was an episode on star trek once, where ryker, troy and worf had cells stolen from their bodies, cos a society of clones were suffering from dna degredation. I am sure all the answers can be found there.
Something to do with having lots of genes, and how we turn out depends on whether each gene is switched on or off, many human genes are not switched on at all. we can copy the genes but cannot control whether each gene is switched on or off.
Cloning is like painting by numbers - without having the key to tell you which numbers represent which colours
Hence - genetic mutation.
lhk
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Sex God
Ooooohhhh, you ARE a clever clogs, first it was evolutionary theory, then language fluency, now gene mutations - whatever next! Sounds about right though...
I know the Star Trek episode you're on about, but do you watch Stargate SG1 - the Asguard (spelling?) are the perfect example of what happens after years and years of no sex :shock: :shock: and only cloning as a form of reproduction :shock: Not good!
I know the Star Trek episode you're on about, but do you watch Stargate SG1 - the Asguard (spelling?) are the perfect example of what happens after years and years of no sex :shock: :shock: and only cloning as a form of reproduction :shock: Not good!
Sex God
But didn't the Asgard (so that's how you spell it!) once resemble humans? What happened to their willies? I don't care if people string me up, I like sci fi - so what!
GOOD GRIEF - am I living in a parallel universe here???
*reminds self to search for a sex site*
Anyway - the genetic mutation is part of normal evolution and not a threat to anyone except the human males. Work is under way to fertilize human eggs with other eggs but at the moment even sperm which can't swim can be introduced and be effective with human intervention.
*sings 'In the year 2525, if man is still alive, if woman can survive....'* Zager and Zager if I remember ancient music correctly???
x xx
*reminds self to search for a sex site*
Anyway - the genetic mutation is part of normal evolution and not a threat to anyone except the human males. Work is under way to fertilize human eggs with other eggs but at the moment even sperm which can't swim can be introduced and be effective with human intervention.
*sings 'In the year 2525, if man is still alive, if woman can survive....'* Zager and Zager if I remember ancient music correctly???
x xx
