Bridgend - tragedy | Swinging Heaven

24 Feb 2008

Quote by Dave__Notts
but...a lot of this material is being viewed by kids!

Parental control dunno

Dave_Notts
I agree. Responsibility begins at home, responsible parents will do all they can to protect their kids on computers.
Suicide rates have always been high in teens, it's a horrible horrible time for them, puberty, low self esteem, confusion, mood swings and peer pressure etc etc. Even without the internet this would still happen, you cannot protect your kids 100% of the time.
I feel so sorry for the kids that feel this is the only way out, maybe there is slight blame on the internet but it cannot be the only blame. Between 1990 and 1997, the rate of suicides decreased for males and females in all age groups - now the internet was taking off big time then so wouldn't you have maybe seen an increase?
Incidently schizophrenia is thought to rear it's head in teenagers making them more suceptable to suicidal thoughts - and that doesn't come from the internet.

25 Feb 2008

Quote by neilinleeds
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Suicide has aways been for one of three reasons, the good of others, honour and running away.

travis, you forgot the fourth . . . i'll fucking show you you bastards, see how you like it when i'm gone? suicide is an act of extreme violence. it's mainly inward violence, cos what's more extreme than killing yourself, but there is a bit of lashing out in there too. it's not noble, even if you think it's about 'the good of others' and 'honour'? that's maybe what suicide bombers think, but i don't think your examples are true of most suicides? suicide is mainly about anger, IMO? confused

n x x x ;)I find it hard to believe that Eve argues with Adam, goes away and thinks "I'll just top myself, that will teach Adam a lesson"
I do believe that Eve can argue with Adam. Think "Adam was my only hope, he loved me, he was always there for me. Now he is just like the rest." Then Eve tops herself. Not out of anger. Form self pity and self loathing. From despair.
However I can see that Adam would feel better if he claimed he was a victimof suicide instead of being a contributing factor.
Come to think of it you mentioned suicide bombers. I can see that someone on the end of a suicide bombing campaign (other that the innocent trapped in the middle) would find it easy to claim to be victims rather than ask why someone can die for the opposing cause instead of just killing?

25 Feb 2008

Hasnt took long for the sick jokes to start the rounds had about 4 all ready

25 Feb 2008

Quote by keeno
Well its an arguable case whatever your viewpoint.
If such young people had gone onto a life of benefits, petty crime, social services support etc; There are problems there like in 100% of other UK cities but it's Brigend for crying out loud not not outer f*ckuptnia! no doubt there would those who would consider them worthless to society etc. <<<And they would be wrong
The fact that they have topped themselves doesn't mean we have lost a handful of the geniuses who 'might' have reshaped all our lives. <<<< we might of though I would not wish a life of unemployment, poverty and unfulfillment on anyone.
Its somehow almost expectant and instantly reassuring that 'experts' were produced to 'explain' this recent burst of snuffings. How very efficient indeed.<<<< Does make you wonder doesn't it who researches these experts out. Especially when it breaking news and they get on telly that quick. Obviously a lot of thought from the T.V bosses goes into it

This is a wholly sad situation and tbh if anyone considers otherwise then surely. how can they live with themselves? Are these youngsters, by committing suicide are depriving society, of course they are. Who knows what implications the deaths of these have in the wider spectrum?
All i can see in the whole affair is sadness piled on sadness, It would be a tragic indictment on us all if there could be any value found in the deaths of these people.
An interesting set of views here.
I certainly feel that most peoples lifes are precious and special. They don't have to be Nobel prize winners just ordinary people. Just think about your loved ones, they are special to you. They light up your life and would be missed if they were not there.
The experts thing. I think you are missing the point. These suicides didn't happen over one weekend but over a significant period of time so that people have time to draw conclusions. This isn't the first occasion that these kinds of clusters have happened. So you can't just dismiss experts if you don't happen to understand of agree with what they are saying.
I have the feeling that Duncan believes depressed people should just pull themselves together. Oh how little you know.
Not necessarily. I have met a self topper and he knew he was going to do it. It was just a matter of where and when. He did it on holiday. His girlfriend was well aware of his capability and discussed it with me some months before it happened.
So the depression thing happens way back then with most self toppers, then they become composed and ready to do it. I believe its their choice, quite possibly influenced by the depression and circumstances etc. But they definitiely go through a growth stage to get there.
So I think they are decided about their situation and when they do pull themselves together its quite often to carry out what they have been considering.
It depends on what you believe and how strong you feel about it. These youngsters made a decision. having done so, they still deserve to be left to rest in peace.
With regard to the highlighting of the affair. Obviously the authorities were aware of the overall trend in the area and the amount of suicides. And naturally enough they were prepared to give out a statement. What's likely to have prompted this highlight is the local press, picking up on an icrease in the statistics.
Bringing to our attention, what may well have gone unthought about; and could well be a typical case in many other towns and cities.