I have only caught up with this story.
God it is so sad. Those young lives wasted.
Here are some elements are think are interesting
Suicide is, apparently contagious. One person does it and this leads others to follow causing these clusters.
10% of the population suffer from clinical depression.
There are suicide clubs on the internet where people gether together to commit suicide.
Shit this really pains me.
I've been there. I've looked at the pills and considered ending it. I stopped myself and I just can't bear to think of those unfulfilled lives ended too soon.
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Bridgend - tragedy
Did yaknow that suicide is the second biggest casue of death for men under fourty odd. The main one is motor accidents. Ive often wondered how many of these accidents are really suicides especially as coroners are notoriously bad at deciding suicide unless there is a note.
Terrible terrible waste. And frankly mental health care in the UK is woefully underfunded because it just isnt glamorous. Check out the mental health department at your local hospital some time and compare it to the kiddies wards for instance.
Coincidentally I was listning to this when I read this post.
Terrible terrible waste. And frankly mental health care in the UK is woefully underfunded because it just isnt glamorous. Check out the mental health department at your local hospital some time and compare it to the kiddies wards for instance.
Coincidentally I was listning to this when I read this post.
Sex God
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Coincidentally I was listning to this when I read this post.
After reading this thread and listening to Vincent, I am sat here with tears streaming down my face. I have recently lost someone very close, in what wasn't actually a suicide but was definately a self imposed death, and the feelings of hurt, confussion and anger, are something that I would never wish on anyone. I really do feel for all the families who have lost someone in these sad, and (in my opinion) pointless deaths.
Keeno, thanks for this thread and BenrumOn
I trully wish someone would understand or find out exactly what is happening to cause these youngsters to think that suicide is the best option available t them. It breaks my heart to read of yet another young life snuffed out too soon especially as they're all around my youngest son's age and he suffers with depression. He confided in me not long ago that he had suicidal thoughts when he was still living with his Dad. He felt very alone as his Dad is a closed book where emotional stuff is concerned and he admitted he didn't think I'd be able to help but he now knows that he can talk to me about anything.....and I mean ANYTHING!
We always talk about stuff that's bothering us, we talk about sex ( I gave him a pack of condoms on his 16th brithday :giggle: ) and it makes my blood boil to think if he'd gone to his Dad with his problems his reaction would be 'pull yourself out of it'
Even dealing with death on a regular basis through my work, I cannot begin to comprehend the pain those parents are feeling right now and my heart goes out to each and every one of them.
We always talk about stuff that's bothering us, we talk about sex ( I gave him a pack of condoms on his 16th brithday :giggle: ) and it makes my blood boil to think if he'd gone to his Dad with his problems his reaction would be 'pull yourself out of it'
Even dealing with death on a regular basis through my work, I cannot begin to comprehend the pain those parents are feeling right now and my heart goes out to each and every one of them.
I think this is so sad. I can`t imagine what the families are going through right now. Parents who have not lost a child must be terrified thinking what if my child is next.
The sadest thing is that these young people felt that there was no other way to turn.
I understand that the police are not linking the deaths but it does seem to be strange that there have been so many so close together.
My heart goes out to all that are sadly involved in this tradegy.
The sadest thing is that these young people felt that there was no other way to turn.
I understand that the police are not linking the deaths but it does seem to be strange that there have been so many so close together.
My heart goes out to all that are sadly involved in this tradegy.
Sex God
Like they say, suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem (usually). But for teenagers things can seem so absolute.
I remember at 15 feeling totally alone - even in a family of 5 - and I had nothing wrong in my life. I can only imagine what it could be like if there is a real reason to be sad or if depression was involved.
My heart goes out to their families.
I remember at 15 feeling totally alone - even in a family of 5 - and I had nothing wrong in my life. I can only imagine what it could be like if there is a real reason to be sad or if depression was involved.
My heart goes out to their families.
I was called a couple of weeks ago at by a distraught friend whos daughter had just confessed to taking a number of pills and was going in and out of consciousness.
Said daughter was away in Bath, friend in Bristol and car-less so we did the necessary and helped out.
Fortunately this time she was not seriously hurt (her second attempt) but it brought to the surface the reasons for her feeling suicidal.
Her mother, my friend, did not know how to deal with it so chose to stick her head in the sand and hope it doesnt happen again...................(despite my pleas and supplying of phone numbers and various websites with help for the daughter and the family).
My point is that sometimes its chillingly sad when all you can do in a situation such as this is offer your friendship and support.
Said daughter was away in Bath, friend in Bristol and car-less so we did the necessary and helped out.
Fortunately this time she was not seriously hurt (her second attempt) but it brought to the surface the reasons for her feeling suicidal.
Her mother, my friend, did not know how to deal with it so chose to stick her head in the sand and hope it doesnt happen again...................(despite my pleas and supplying of phone numbers and various websites with help for the daughter and the family).
My point is that sometimes its chillingly sad when all you can do in a situation such as this is offer your friendship and support.
Quote by keeno
I have only caught up with this story.
God it is so sad. Those young lives wasted.
Here are some elements are think are interesting
Suicide is, apparently contagious. One person does it and this leads others to follow causing these clusters.
10% of the population suffer from clinical depression.
There are suicide clubs on the internet where people gether together to commit suicide.
Shit this really pains me.
I've been there. I've looked at the pills and considered ending it. I stopped myself and I just can't bear to think of those unfulfilled lives ended too soon.
This is just such a sad and strange issue. The " experts " think these suicides are in no way linked. I feel they have to be somehow surely? I cannot understand how kids who seem to have everything end up feeling they have nothing to live for.
Kids of today seem more screwed up than when I was their age in the 70's, which just makes no sense to me as to why. These internet sites that glorify suicide should be shut down by the authorities and brought to justice in some way. ISP'S like Google have a lot to answer for...not just in these cases but in many others, including extreme violence.
My thoughts are with the parents of these kids because not only have they got to live with their loss, but the feelings of somehow failing their kids. A mad world we live in.
Sexpert
There is no doubt that these cases are strange, though I do not believe there is some weird cult, its almost like it seems to have become an unconciousness connection between all the particpants.
It also makes part of me very angry, having lost three friends very close to me in circumstances none of them could control, one to an Asthma Attack, one in a car crash and a third from a heart attack (at 22years of age)So many of these people had so much to live for and it doesn't sound like they were living especially hard lives, the two girls in fact were strikingly attractive, it seems such a pointless waste of something so precious. I know any of my three friends would have traded places with them in a second. Of course it is easy for one to say that when we cannot live the mind of someone else's shoes.
Anyway you look at it, its terribly tragic.
It also makes part of me very angry, having lost three friends very close to me in circumstances none of them could control, one to an Asthma Attack, one in a car crash and a third from a heart attack (at 22years of age)So many of these people had so much to live for and it doesn't sound like they were living especially hard lives, the two girls in fact were strikingly attractive, it seems such a pointless waste of something so precious. I know any of my three friends would have traded places with them in a second. Of course it is easy for one to say that when we cannot live the mind of someone else's shoes.
Anyway you look at it, its terribly tragic.
Sex God
Suicide has aways been fore one of three reasons, the good of others, honour and running away.
The good of others,
it is largely a thing of the past, but there are example of such suicide. They are feared and hated. Someone who is willing to take their own life in service to a cause can be very successful.
Honour,
the old picture of an army officer being given a revolver and a bottle of whisky by his best friend may never have happened. However it is an example of suicide being the last act to save/recover honour, but that could also save the family from sharing in individual dis-honour.
Running away,
this is probably the saddest reason for suicide. It leaves a number of people asking could they have done something and with a sense that they failed. It always leaves a mess behind. It seems repugnant to blame the dead for their action, but in the end in was their choice.
Travis
The good of others,
it is largely a thing of the past, but there are example of such suicide. They are feared and hated. Someone who is willing to take their own life in service to a cause can be very successful.
Honour,
the old picture of an army officer being given a revolver and a bottle of whisky by his best friend may never have happened. However it is an example of suicide being the last act to save/recover honour, but that could also save the family from sharing in individual dis-honour.
Running away,
this is probably the saddest reason for suicide. It leaves a number of people asking could they have done something and with a sense that they failed. It always leaves a mess behind. It seems repugnant to blame the dead for their action, but in the end in was their choice.
Travis
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
These internet sites that glorify suicide should be shut down by the authorities and brought to justice in some way. ISP'S like Google have a lot to answer for...not just in these cases but in many others, including extreme violence.
KS777? do you believe in personal responsibility? do you believe in Nanny States? do you want protecting from yourself, or do you think you can decide for yourself what you want to be exposed to? ISPs and Google? they only show you what you ask them for? do you believe in freedom of information, and free speech, or do you need your government to decide, on your behalf, what you may, or may not be exposed to? which sites exactly would you like to see shut down? suicide sites? anorexia sites? self-harm sites? jihadi sites? 9/11 sites? adulterous sites like this one? this place no doubt offends any number of people? where would you stop?
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Suicide has aways been for one of three reasons, the good of others, honour and running away.
travis, you forgot the fourth . . . i'll fucking show you you bastards, see how you like it when i'm gone? suicide is an act of extreme violence. it's mainly inward violence, cos what's more extreme than killing yourself, but there is a bit of lashing out in there too. it's not noble, even if you think it's about 'the good of others' and 'honour'? that's maybe what suicide bombers think, but i don't think your examples are true of most suicides? suicide is mainly about anger, IMO? :?
n x x x ;)
My family have had 5 suicide tragedies over the years, during the last 4 four year three of my cousins have hung themselves. One 6 months pregnant at the time (her mother also committed suicide), another had lunch with family and went minutes later he was dead. The recent one last year in a prison cell - due to shame and not being able to face his family for what he did I suppose. The last two were totally random and unexpected……no clue whatsoever anything was wrong, no notes/letters left by any of them. Their families have to live with what they left behind…… grief, pain an confusion.
I think some suicides about sadness so deep you have a feeling of helplessness and hopelessness, not knowing how to resolve something, shame, failure, a way of ending the pain! Some things in life are so painful it physically hurts…and you think it will never go away, you hate feeling like that, you don’t want to feel like that anymore and cant see another solution because your so into your own misery you cant see outside it. Or see how anyone can help you, sometimes you don’t want that help because its about failure and the shame of it…..it eats away at you. It’s just a feeling that you cant express to anyone cos it hard to describe and express. It’s a downward spiral with no way back up………
It takes an extremely patient an understanding person with a lot of energy to support anyone though those feelings. Its demanding, time consuming and draining! I’m talking family, close friends etc they may already have professional support but they cant be accessible all the time. Some people don’t ever seek help or support…there good at hiding the pain, putting a smile on for the world around them but inside they are tormented souls. The latter are probably the ones that are most successful in taking their own life (imo).
It’s the people left behind with no answers to their questions. They too suffer pain of not knowing, not understanding why and the terrible grief of losing a loved one/s. I really feel for these families in Bridgend, they may never find the answer……that’s gonna be so hard for them and my heart goes out to them.
I think some suicides about sadness so deep you have a feeling of helplessness and hopelessness, not knowing how to resolve something, shame, failure, a way of ending the pain! Some things in life are so painful it physically hurts…and you think it will never go away, you hate feeling like that, you don’t want to feel like that anymore and cant see another solution because your so into your own misery you cant see outside it. Or see how anyone can help you, sometimes you don’t want that help because its about failure and the shame of it…..it eats away at you. It’s just a feeling that you cant express to anyone cos it hard to describe and express. It’s a downward spiral with no way back up………
It takes an extremely patient an understanding person with a lot of energy to support anyone though those feelings. Its demanding, time consuming and draining! I’m talking family, close friends etc they may already have professional support but they cant be accessible all the time. Some people don’t ever seek help or support…there good at hiding the pain, putting a smile on for the world around them but inside they are tormented souls. The latter are probably the ones that are most successful in taking their own life (imo).
It’s the people left behind with no answers to their questions. They too suffer pain of not knowing, not understanding why and the terrible grief of losing a loved one/s. I really feel for these families in Bridgend, they may never find the answer……that’s gonna be so hard for them and my heart goes out to them.
Well its an arguable case whatever your viewpoint.
If such young people had gone onto a life of benefits, petty crime, social services support etc; no doubt there would those who would consider them worthless to society etc.
The fact that they have topped themselves doesn't mean we have lost a handful of the geniuses who 'might' have reshaped all our lives. I would not wish a life of unemployment, poverty and unfulfillment on anyone.
Its somehow almost expectant and instantly reassuring that 'experts' were produced to 'explain' this recent burst of snuffings. How very efficient indeed.
If such young people had gone onto a life of benefits, petty crime, social services support etc; no doubt there would those who would consider them worthless to society etc.
The fact that they have topped themselves doesn't mean we have lost a handful of the geniuses who 'might' have reshaped all our lives. I would not wish a life of unemployment, poverty and unfulfillment on anyone.
Its somehow almost expectant and instantly reassuring that 'experts' were produced to 'explain' this recent burst of snuffings. How very efficient indeed.
Sex God
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Well its an arguable case whatever your viewpoint.
If such young people had gone onto a life of benefits, petty crime, social services support etc; There are problems there like in 100% of other UK cities but it's Brigend for crying out loud not not outer f*ckuptnia! no doubt there would those who would consider them worthless to society etc. <<<And they would be wrong
The fact that they have topped themselves doesn't mean we have lost a handful of the geniuses who 'might' have reshaped all our lives. <<<< we might of though I would not wish a life of unemployment, poverty and unfulfillment on anyone.
Its somehow almost expectant and instantly reassuring that 'experts' were produced to 'explain' this recent burst of snuffings. How very efficient indeed.<<<< Does make you wonder doesn't it who researches these experts out. Especially when it breaking news and they get on telly that quick. Obviously a lot of thought from the T.V bosses goes into it
This is a wholly sad situation and tbh if anyone considers otherwise then surely. how can they live with themselves? Are these youngsters, by committing suicide are depriving society, of course they are. Who knows what implications the deaths of these have in the wider spectrum?
All i can see in the whole affair is sadness piled on sadness, It would be a tragic indictment on us all if there could be any value found in the deaths of these people.
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These internet sites that glorify suicide should be shut down by the authorities and brought to justice in some way. ISP'S like Google have a lot to answer for...not just in these cases but in many others, including extreme violence.
KS777? do you believe in personal responsibility? do you believe in Nanny States? do you want protecting from yourself, or do you think you can decide for yourself what you want to be exposed to? ISPs and Google? they only show you what you ask them for? do you believe in freedom of information, and free speech, or do you need your government to decide, on your behalf, what you may, or may not be exposed to? which sites exactly would you like to see shut down? suicide sites? anorexia sites? self-harm sites? jihadi sites? 9/11 sites? adulterous sites like this one? this place no doubt offends any number of people? where would you stop?
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Suicide has aways been for one of three reasons, the good of others, honour and running away.
travis, you forgot the fourth . . . i'll fucking show you you bastards, see how you like it when i'm gone? suicide is an act of extreme violence. it's mainly inward violence, cos what's more extreme than killing yourself, but there is a bit of lashing out in there too. it's not noble, even if you think it's about 'the good of others' and 'honour'? that's maybe what suicide bombers think, but i don't think your examples are true of most suicides? suicide is mainly about anger, IMO? :?
n x x x ;)
There is a lot of " do you's " here. :shock: So what you are saying here is that if ANYONE interferes in what people view, then it is a nanny state? If shutting down some of these sites means we have to have a " nanny " state, then bring it on!!
I am all for free speech and the choice to make our own decisions as ADULTS but...a lot of this material is being viewed by kids! So in your view you think we should all be able to view what we like, and if that is taken away we are somehow being exposed to the Big Brother Nanny state show? So your ok with people being able to access peodaphile sites, where kids are and buggered? Or what about how to make a bomb and blow people up in three easy steps? Because it seems to me that is exactly what you are saying here. Let everyone view whatever they like and be damned?
I think most normal people would think viewing these sites are weird enough, let alone encouraging people to view them! I am all for people having freedoms of choice but....cerainly not in the ways you want to see. Shut these sites down because anyone who views them anyway is seriously strange. Also we should be protecting our kids from this kind of crap!!
Newspapers are often " gagged " from reporting on things.I saw the Arsenal game today where a footballer suffered a serious leg injury, which Sky did not show. If we have your way his broken leg should have been showed to all of us? No there are certain things that people should not be able to view, or to be exposed too. I do not class that as interferance from a nanny state at all. Maybe others will not agree with me here, but feel most would.
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but...a lot of this material is being viewed by kids!
Parental control
Dave_Notts
If there was parental control great, but for that to happen you would have to educate many parents as to what that actually means. :shock: Plus a lot of parents and some I know, just really dont give a damn what their kids do.....period.
Quote by kentswingers777
but...a lot of this material is being viewed by kids!
Parental control
Dave_Notts
If there was parental control great, but for that to happen you would have to educate many parents as to what that actually means. :shock: Plus a lot of parents and some I know, just really dont give a damn what their kids do.....period.
So a blanket ban on all offensive sites.
Whats the definition of offensive? And offensive to whom? That was the point of Neils post. Would this one, where you are airing your opinion, not be classed as offensive to some? Should this also be banned?
Dave_Notts
Quote by Dave__Notts
but...a lot of this material is being viewed by kids!
Parental control
Dave_Notts
If there was parental control great, but for that to happen you would have to educate many parents as to what that actually means. :shock: Plus a lot of parents and some I know, just really dont give a damn what their kids do.....period.
So a blanket ban on all offensive sites.
Whats the definition of offensive? And offensive to whom? That was the point of Neils post. Would this one, where you are airing your opinion, not be classed as offensive to some? Should this also be banned?
Dave_Notts
I cant make the sites I think should be banned any clearer? :shock:
Quote by kentswingers777
but...a lot of this material is being viewed by kids!
Parental control
Dave_Notts
If there was parental control great, but for that to happen you would have to educate many parents as to what that actually means. :shock: Plus a lot of parents and some I know, just really dont give a damn what their kids do.....period.
So a blanket ban on all offensive sites.
Whats the definition of offensive? And offensive to whom? That was the point of Neils post. Would this one, where you are airing your opinion, not be classed as offensive to some? Should this also be banned?
Dave_Notts
I cant make the sites I think should be banned any clearer? :shock:
Ahhhhhh got you. Only sites that are offensive to you. Now I have got you.
So only the ones that you quoted above are offensive. Now it is all clear to me
Dave_Notts
Quote by Dave__Notts
but...a lot of this material is being viewed by kids!
Parental control
Dave_Notts
If there was parental control great, but for that to happen you would have to educate many parents as to what that actually means. :shock: Plus a lot of parents and some I know, just really dont give a damn what their kids do.....period.
So a blanket ban on all offensive sites.
Whats the definition of offensive? And offensive to whom? That was the point of Neils post. Would this one, where you are airing your opinion, not be classed as offensive to some? Should this also be banned?
Dave_Notts
I cant make the sites I think should be banned any clearer? :shock:
Ahhhhhh got you. Only sites that are offensive to you. Now I have got you.
So only the ones that you quoted above are offensive. Now it is all clear to me
Dave_Notts
So you dont think a peodaphile site is offensive ? If you do should it not be banned then? Think 99.9% of people would find that kind of site offensive! Maybe you dont though?
Quote by kentswingers777
but...a lot of this material is being viewed by kids!
Parental control
Dave_Notts
If there was parental control great, but for that to happen you would have to educate many parents as to what that actually means. :shock: Plus a lot of parents and some I know, just really dont give a damn what their kids do.....period.
So a blanket ban on all offensive sites.
Whats the definition of offensive? And offensive to whom? That was the point of Neils post. Would this one, where you are airing your opinion, not be classed as offensive to some? Should this also be banned?
Dave_Notts
I cant make the sites I think should be banned any clearer? :shock:
Ahhhhhh got you. Only sites that are offensive to you. Now I have got you.
So only the ones that you quoted above are offensive. Now it is all clear to me
Dave_Notts
So you dont think a peodaphile site is offensive ? If you do should it not be banned then? Think 99.9% of people would find that kind of site offensive! Maybe you dont though?
The point in my opinion is offensive sites and what defines them.
People like Tony Blair says "The babies will be affected" and pushes through legislation, animal charities highlight the plight of big cuddly creatures and then spirit away the money for other animals.
This says to me that they start with a good agenda and then start playing with things that we did not think that our vote or money was going towards. So if they start banning "offensive" sites where will it stop?
Talking about offensive......your last bit was, in my opinion, a personal slur against me by asking me that question. That is truly offensive and you should feel damn ashamed for trying to add very offensive digs at individuals on a public forum.
Dave_Notts
Sex God
I tend to agree with Kent on this issue. There has to be in my mind some controls which are not left to the individual. That just makes sense. I feel thats all that Kent is trying to say. These controls should and rightly so and are put into the hands of the state. It doesn't take genius to figure that surely. Or maybe we would have had hanging brought back! 
sorry 
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Hey i entered this after you posted Dave. I dont think there was an intentional slur there just a bit quick reactioned off the keyboard i'm sure Kent wasn't assuming anything I know i wasn't
sorry In edit:-
Hey i entered this after you posted Dave. I dont think there was an intentional slur there just a bit quick reactioned off the keyboard i'm sure Kent wasn't assuming anything I know i wasn't
Sex God
Quote by Cherrytree
But I think that Dave Notts has a point too.
Maybe this should be started on a thread of its own, as it's a sensitive issue, and we don't want to hi-jack an already sensitive thread?
Good idea Cherry. We've had some great topics discuused lately lets hope Dave or Kent start another - game on guys.
Quote by Dave__Notts
but...a lot of this material is being viewed by kids!
Parental control
Dave_Notts
If there was parental control great, but for that to happen you would have to educate many parents as to what that actually means. :shock: Plus a lot of parents and some I know, just really dont give a damn what their kids do.....period.
So a blanket ban on all offensive sites.
Whats the definition of offensive? And offensive to whom? That was the point of Neils post. Would this one, where you are airing your opinion, not be classed as offensive to some? Should this also be banned?
Dave_Notts
I cant make the sites I think should be banned any clearer? :shock:
Ahhhhhh got you. Only sites that are offensive to you. Now I have got you.
So only the ones that you quoted above are offensive. Now it is all clear to me
Dave_Notts
So you dont think a peodaphile site is offensive ? If you do should it not be banned then? Think 99.9% of people would find that kind of site offensive! Maybe you dont though?
The point in my opinion is offensive sites and what defines them.
People like Tony Blair says "The babies will be affected" and pushes through legislation, animal charities highlight the plight of big cuddly creatures and then spirit away the money for other animals.
This says to me that they start with a good agenda and then start playing with things that we did not think that our vote or money was going towards. So if they start banning "offensive" sites where will it stop?
Talking about offensive......your last bit was, in my opinion, a personal slur against me by asking me that question. That is truly offensive and you should feel damn ashamed for trying to add very offensive digs at individuals on a public forum.
Dave_Notts
Of course it was NOT a slur against you. If it was I would have been a lot more outspoken. I just simply asked what your opinion was, or is that not allowed on a public forum? :shock:
Quote by kentswingers777
but...a lot of this material is being viewed by kids!
Parental control
Dave_Notts
If there was parental control great, but for that to happen you would have to educate many parents as to what that actually means. :shock: Plus a lot of parents and some I know, just really dont give a damn what their kids do.....period.
So a blanket ban on all offensive sites.
Whats the definition of offensive? And offensive to whom? That was the point of Neils post. Would this one, where you are airing your opinion, not be classed as offensive to some? Should this also be banned?
Dave_Notts
I cant make the sites I think should be banned any clearer? :shock:
Ahhhhhh got you. Only sites that are offensive to you. Now I have got you.
So only the ones that you quoted above are offensive. Now it is all clear to me
Dave_Notts
So you dont think a peodaphile site is offensive ? If you do should it not be banned then? Think 99.9% of people would find that kind of site offensive! Maybe you dont though?
The point in my opinion is offensive sites and what defines them.
People like Tony Blair says "The babies will be affected" and pushes through legislation, animal charities highlight the plight of big cuddly creatures and then spirit away the money for other animals.
This says to me that they start with a good agenda and then start playing with things that we did not think that our vote or money was going towards. So if they start banning "offensive" sites where will it stop?
Talking about offensive......your last bit was, in my opinion, a personal slur against me by asking me that question. That is truly offensive and you should feel damn ashamed for trying to add very offensive digs at individuals on a public forum.
Dave_Notts
Of course it was NOT a slur against you. If it was I would have been a lot more outspoken. I just simply asked what your opinion was, or is that not allowed on a public forum? :shock:
Thread has been split......see other post
Quote by Lost
Well its an arguable case whatever your viewpoint.
If such young people had gone onto a life of benefits, petty crime, social services support etc; There are problems there like in 100% of other UK cities but it's Brigend for crying out loud not not outer f*ckuptnia! no doubt there would those who would consider them worthless to society etc. <<<And they would be wrong
The fact that they have topped themselves doesn't mean we have lost a handful of the geniuses who 'might' have reshaped all our lives. <<<< we might of though I would not wish a life of unemployment, poverty and unfulfillment on anyone.
Its somehow almost expectant and instantly reassuring that 'experts' were produced to 'explain' this recent burst of snuffings. How very efficient indeed.<<<< Does make you wonder doesn't it who researches these experts out. Especially when it breaking news and they get on telly that quick. Obviously a lot of thought from the T.V bosses goes into it
This is a wholly sad situation and tbh if anyone considers otherwise then surely. how can they live with themselves? Are these youngsters, by committing suicide are depriving society, of course they are. Who knows what implications the deaths of these have in the wider spectrum?
All i can see in the whole affair is sadness piled on sadness, It would be a tragic indictment on us all if there could be any value found in the deaths of these people.
An interesting set of views here.
I certainly feel that most peoples lifes are precious and special. They don't have to be Nobel prize winners just ordinary people. Just think about your loved ones, they are special to you. They light up your life and would be missed if they were not there.
The experts thing. I think you are missing the point. These suicides didn't happen over one weekend but over a significant period of time so that people have time to draw conclusions. This isn't the first occasion that these kinds of clusters have happened. So you can't just dismiss experts if you don't happen to understand of agree with what they are saying.
I have the feeling that Duncan believes depressed people should just pull themselves together. Oh how little you know.
