Broken Britain?

23 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
I do not care what anyone says about her really. I have my views and you lot are entitled to yours. At least she as a PM had some balls.
This lots balls rolled down the road years ago.
But as I am always right, I will leave this thread on that knowledge.

She was an attention seeking, self centred, money grabbing menapausal old cow! mad

:x :x

23 Sep 2008

Quote by helnheaven
I do not care what anyone says about her really. I have my views and you lot are entitled to yours. At least she as a PM had some balls.
This lots balls rolled down the road years ago.
But as I am always right, I will leave this thread on that knowledge.

She was an attention seeking, self centred, money grabbing menapausal old cow! mad

:x :x

:lol: :lol:
Still a great PM though hel. :lol:

23 Sep 2008

Brings a tear to my eye every time. lol

:lol:

23 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
You off on your rants again...tut tut

If it were having a rant I'd be saying more and would be breaching the AUP and would subsequently be banned.
Currently I'm merely expressing an "opinion".
Thats true but you are also stating my opinions for me, ie the rose tinted glasses comment.
Lets just leave it at that shall we? You have stated your opinions and I have stated mine. Is it at all possible you can leave it there, or do you always have to disect and comment on everything?
Go on I know you are just eager to put your comment across again, but I will not reply.

Thats true but you are also stating my opinions for me, ie the rose tinted glasses comment.

I was stating an opinion OF your opinion. I wasn't stating an opinion FOR you.
Just thought I'd clear that up.

23 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
I do not care what anyone says about her really. I have my views and you lot are entitled to yours. At least she as a PM had some balls.
This lots balls rolled down the road years ago.
But as I am always right, I will leave this thread on that knowledge.

She was an attention seeking, self centred, money grabbing menapausal old cow! mad

:x :x

:lol: :lol:
Still a great PM though hel. :lol:
No way!
Im not gonna get myself hung here by mentioning women and hormones and who in their right mind would trust one to run the country
bolt

23 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
I do not care what anyone says about her really. I have my views and you lot are entitled to yours. At least she as a PM had some balls.
This lots balls rolled down the road years ago.
But as I am always right, I will leave this thread on that knowledge.

She was an attention seeking, self centred, money grabbing menapausal old cow! mad

:x :x

:lol: :lol:
Still a great PM though hel. :lol:
If someone rewrote the definition of "great" then possibly :P

23 Sep 2008

Quote by Peanut
You off on your rants again...tut tut

If it were having a rant I'd be saying more and would be breaching the AUP and would subsequently be banned.
Currently I'm merely expressing an "opinion".
Thats true but you are also stating my opinions for me, ie the rose tinted glasses comment.
Lets just leave it at that shall we? You have stated your opinions and I have stated mine. Is it at all possible you can leave it there, or do you always have to disect and comment on everything?
Go on I know you are just eager to put your comment across again, but I will not reply.

Thats true but you are also stating my opinions for me, ie the rose tinted glasses comment.

I was stating an opinion OF your opinion. I wasn't stating an opinion FOR you.
Just thought I'd clear that up.
bolt

23 Sep 2008

Quote by Calista
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
One of the reason this country has gone to the wall is because people just aren't tolerant of others points of view!!!

Which is arguably what you are doing rolleyes

23 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
You off on your rants again...tut tut

If it were having a rant I'd be saying more and would be breaching the AUP and would subsequently be banned.
Currently I'm merely expressing an "opinion".
Thats true but you are also stating my opinions for me, ie the rose tinted glasses comment.
Lets just leave it at that shall we? You have stated your opinions and I have stated mine. Is it at all possible you can leave it there, or do you always have to disect and comment on everything?
Go on I know you are just eager to put your comment across again, but I will not reply.

Thats true but you are also stating my opinions for me, ie the rose tinted glasses comment.

I was stating an opinion OF your opinion. I wasn't stating an opinion FOR you.
Just thought I'd clear that up.
bolt

You've totally lost me on that one, sorry.

23 Sep 2008

Quote by helnheaven
Im not gonna get myself hung here by mentioning women and hormones and who in their right mind would trust one to run the country

Well they seem to trust blokes and their testosterone rolleyes

23 Sep 2008

Quote by Peanut
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
One of the reason this country has gone to the wall is because people just aren't tolerant of others points of view!!!

Which is arguably what you are doing rolleyes

No actually, I'm quite tolerant of both aspects of this "argument", neither opinion is wrong, neither opinion is right, they are just that ... opinions!
I don't feel the need to belittle someone so publically because they hold a differing opinion to my own, I may not agree with what they say, I may find it frustrating that they are so one sided, but as I am entitled to how I feel, they are entitled to be the same way.
I just see that it mirrors society, if people were willing to accept someone elses point of view, even if they don't believe it, then society would be a much nicer place!

23 Sep 2008

Quote by Calista
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
One of the reason this country has gone to the wall is because people just aren't tolerant of others points of view!!!

Which is arguably what you are doing rolleyes

No actually, I'm quite tolerant of both aspects of this "argument", neither opinion is wrong, neither opinion is right, they are just that ... opinions!
I don't feel the need to belittle someone so publically because they hold a differing opinion to my own, I may not agree with what they say, I may find it frustrating that they are so one sided, but as I am entitled to how I feel, they are entitled to be the same way.
I just see that it mirrors society, if people were willing to accept someone elses point of view, even if they don't believe it, then society would be a much nicer place!
"Tolerance" manifests itself in many ways, as does 'intolerance'.
Frustration as in 'banging one's head against a wall' could be deemed to be intolerant.
Intolerance isn't just when one speaks out or argues with another's PoV, intolerance can be a passive event too.
You also seem to be confusing the right for someone to have a PoV and the right to believing that PoV to be correct. There is nothing wrong, in my view, with contesting the reasons behind why someone has a particular viewpoint.
Likewise, agreeing with someone's viewpoint when it is diametrically opposed to one's own isn't always the right thing to do either.

23 Sep 2008

:smitten:

23 Sep 2008

Quote by Peanut
Well they seem to trust blokes and their testosterone

Look its simple...
A blokes testosterone is by far the lesser evil.
Trust me on that, Im a woman and I know!

23 Sep 2008

I find myself having little respect for any politicians nowadays as presentation is now all that matters and content has precious little to do with anything . It seems the mantra is ...do as little as possible and thus avoid blame for f***ing it up.
Love her or loath her , and there are sound arguments for both, Thatcher changed britain hugely and maintained our place as a significant force in Europe.
Politicians have a difficult job to do as they can only tinker round the edges of a rampant and obscenely avaricious capitalism that has distorted economies and creates all powerful lobbyists that dictate government policy.
However, there is a role for national government, but alas, Tony and Gordon have conspired to create an unbalanced mixed economy whereby they solved unemployment problems by a combination of sleight of hand and goverment recruitment. This they had to underfund by tax rises, well they couldn't afford to fund it all (new labour indeed ha ha)both by raising direct taxes(Vat and pension fund taxes) and indirect covert taxes.. parking fees at hospitals, the full list of both of these is almost year after year after year they ran the country at a loss and have had to borrow money even after selling all our gold (at rock bottom prices). Now we are in a global crisis and they are forecasting huge borrowing requirements ....beware of national bankruptcy...does anyone recall what happened the last time we had to go to the IMF and hand over the running of our country to them.
In addition we have allowed an already creaking country to receive on purpose, and by deceipt, and by accident hundreds and hundreds of thousands of immigrants(whislt kicking the ghurka's out FFS .lunacy or what ...and that point has nothing at all to do with me fancying the pants off Joanna Lumley)
Immigration is having many many effects ...on housing stock , on labour rates , on unemployment ..oh and probably on benefits as the economy dawdles and we have to pay for their unemployment(well I assume we wont send them home )
There is so so much more I could put ..but I shall conclude with the total lack of foresight to prepare for the Energy crisis wit a strategy that replaced North Sea gas and above all we place our gas supply at the mercy of the Russians who we then (no doubt to keep the USA happy )proceed to tell how they should conduct their foreign affairs ...Putin must be rolling in the aisles.
Talking about diplomatic and capable Foreign policy Tony and Gordon took us on the back of a pack of pathetic lies into Iraq ...
and of course all this isn't Gordon's fault at all.
Sorry folks for that rant but for Gordon to say its unique world circumstances that has caused this crisis is nothing but smoke and mirrors and it makes me just a tad angry
mad

:x :x
Back to swinging redface

ops:

24 Sep 2008

Quote by Peanut
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
One of the reason this country has gone to the wall is because people just aren't tolerant of others points of view!!!

Which is arguably what you are doing rolleyes

No actually, I'm quite tolerant of both aspects of this "argument", neither opinion is wrong, neither opinion is right, they are just that ... opinions!
I don't feel the need to belittle someone so publically because they hold a differing opinion to my own, I may not agree with what they say, I may find it frustrating that they are so one sided, but as I am entitled to how I feel, they are entitled to be the same way.
I just see that it mirrors society, if people were willing to accept someone elses point of view, even if they don't believe it, then society would be a much nicer place!
"Tolerance" manifests itself in many ways, as does 'intolerance'.
Frustration as in 'banging one's head against a wall' could be deemed to be intolerant.
Intolerance isn't just when one speaks out or argues with another's PoV, intolerance can be a passive event too.
You also seem to be confusing the right for someone to have a PoV and the right to believing that PoV to be correct. There is nothing wrong, in my view, with contesting the reasons behind why someone has a particular viewpoint.
Likewise, agreeing with someone's viewpoint when it is diametrically opposed to one's own isn't always the right thing to do either.
I don't disagree, however goading people over their PoV when it doesn't match our own is never the answer! When does contesting someone's viewpoint cross the fine line into bullying? (Peanut I'm not implying that is the case here, just trying to stay on track about Britain in general - I'm tired and not sure that it doesn't read that way confused

)
Too many times it crosses the line of intolerance.
FWIW I don't disagree that MT was a good PM however the policies she believed in were not good! MT had a spine whereas a lot of politicians these days don't, she had conviction again a lot of today's politicians don't! It was the policies that she introduced that screwed the country, however I think we've become too lenient now and the country is going to the dogs just as much!

24 Sep 2008

Quote by Wunderhorse
I feel that the reason why Britain is 'broken' is due to the fact that it was based or built on a lie.
This lie being the Empire therefore making it Great Britain.
All Empire's fall or destory themsleves because they take & never give anything in return.
So Empire's are cursed due to the wickness that they have done to others.
For the record, I am Mixed Race born & living in Liverpool. All I have experienced living my entire 31 years in this country is negativity.
An example of this is our collectivite obsession with the Weather... :
All we do is moan about it raining.
It's Britian it has & will always Rain along with the Weather being unpredictable.
I've been in contact with people from all over the world & even they cannot understand the obsession over the Weather, that we have... :?:
We moan about not getting enough Hot Summers like we are in the same part of the globe as
Jamaica... :shock:
Again an example of moaning negative Britian.
As I've mentioned in a previous thread about winning the Lottery, I mentioned about the affect that spending a hoilday in Barbados had on me last year (2006). The people had a pride & respect for there environment that I've never seen.
No spit, no Dog Mess, no litter in the streets, no vomit in the city centre after a Saturday night / Sunday Morning.
Just a quite polite respect for the nation & their history. That manifests in a respect for the elderly, beaches, Police, property.
I would really look back at the History of Great Britain & all you really see is misery....
Absloute Monchary.
Press Gangs.
The exploitation of the most vulnerable for the gain of the few wealthy elite.
London centric...the futher away the less opportunities you have. This has been going on for centuries & still exsits.
The Slave Trade...Africa & the entire African diaspora still are feeling the affect of this today.
Our historical relationship with Alcohol & Illegal Drugs. We drink & take more Drugs than any other nation in Europe... :!:
Their are many things that this nation does well & has given the world for the better...from the Railway / Steam Train to Football to
The Rolling Stones....
So am not Anti - Britian, if you create something on a lie then it will always be negative & poison.
I've tried to contribute to this thread without writing a essay (that would be very easy for me to produce), I hope that you can understand my points either if you agree or disagree.
From,
Wunderhorse.

Is that the same Barbados where away from the beachfront people live in shanty towns? Where shacks are made from wood with corrugated iron roofs and all those in poverty just hang around and smoke week all day?
Been there many times! Go back and have a good look next time. lol

24 Sep 2008

Quote by flower411
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
One of the reason this country has gone to the wall is because people just aren't tolerant of others points of view!!!

Which is arguably what you are doing rolleyes

No actually, I'm quite tolerant of both aspects of this "argument", neither opinion is wrong, neither opinion is right, they are just that ... opinions!
I don't feel the need to belittle someone so publically because they hold a differing opinion to my own, I may not agree with what they say, I may find it frustrating that they are so one sided, but as I am entitled to how I feel, they are entitled to be the same way.
I just see that it mirrors society, if people were willing to accept someone elses point of view, even if they don't believe it, then society would be a much nicer place!
"Tolerance" manifests itself in many ways, as does 'intolerance'.
Frustration as in 'banging one's head against a wall' could be deemed to be intolerant.
Intolerance isn't just when one speaks out or argues with another's PoV, intolerance can be a passive event too.
You also seem to be confusing the right for someone to have a PoV and the right to believing that PoV to be correct. There is nothing wrong, in my view, with contesting the reasons behind why someone has a particular viewpoint.
Likewise, agreeing with someone's viewpoint when it is diametrically opposed to one's own isn't always the right thing to do either.
People banging there heads against the wall in frustration doesn`t appear to me to be because they are in any way commenting on your opinion or views.
It is simply the fact that you constantly pick peoples threads apart line by line if they have the audacity to disagree with you.
Your constant nit-picking and total inability to allow somebody to express a differing opinion to your own is, at worst, a form of bullying and, at best, just plain boring.
:thumbup: go flower go! lol

24 Sep 2008

Lets stay on topic then please. lol

24 Sep 2008

Its not often I ask posters to quit the constant tit for tat,nit picking,bickering etc but for fucks sake can certain people just give it a fukin rest....
Its gone way past tiresome and its spoling interesting threads.....
And in edit
The above is not meant to be a personal attack on anyone...

24 Sep 2008

herein lies the reason why i still think it would be better to split these types of threads from the "light hearted" threads....
lets face it.... this is turning into a thread where people are trying to censor what another poster is saying... again.
As ive said before, im not without fault in the way i sometimes have used the forums..... but even if one uses the pre-cursor that "i'm not making this statement about anybody in particular" it cleary (imo) is exactly what you are doing.
theres a massive amount of intolearnce/bigotry on this forum... and even worse are the tactics of being personal to other members without actually saying it....... personally if i think someones a bully or whatever, ive got the balls to say it.... even if it would get me banned!!!!
no offence like.....

24 Sep 2008

Quote by DeeCee
herein lies the reason why i still think it would be better to split these types of threads from the "light hearted" threads....
lets face it.... this is turning into a thread where people are trying to censor what another poster is saying... again.
As ive said before, im not without fault in the way i sometimes have used the forums..... but even if one uses the pre-cursor that "i'm not making this statement about anybody in particular" it cleary (imo) is exactly what you are doing.
theres a massive amount of intolearnce/bigotry on this forum... and even worse are the tactics of being personal to other members without actually saying it....... personally if i think someones a bully or whatever, ive got the balls to say it.... even if it would get me banned!!!!
no offence like.....

I agree with you, other forums have a place just for topical debate and poster are asked to stick to op. It works well there, I can't see why it wouldn't work just as well here.
we have sections already here as in: chatroom forum, the cafe, lets meet up etc would another be so hard?
Then the mods can do their job and watch things there dont get out of hand.
Just an idea!

24 Sep 2008

My opinion on it should be that who ever started the thread, should have the power to either delete a post or to be able to issue a warning.
This was my original thread and what started off as a debate, as usual goes off topic, and away from the question that I asked...exactly the same thing happened on my 9/11 thread.
If I open a chat room I have the power to kick members who are either abusive or nasty. You should be able to have those same powers in the forum IF it is your own thread.
I feel that would work and would I think stop the vast majority of the problems we now have. Two of my threads ended up going off topic and I could have easily stopped that from happening had I, as the poster had that option.
Maybe one for admin to look at at some stage in the future? dunno

Blimey....hijacking me own thread now. :shock:

24 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
My opinion on it should be that who ever started the thread, should have the power to either delete a post or to be able to issue a warning.
This was my original thread and what started off as a debate, as usual goes off topic, and away from the question that I asked...exactly the same thing happened on my 9/11 thread.
If I open a chat room I have the power to kick members who are either abusive or nasty. You should be able to have those same powers in the forum IF it is your own thread.
I feel that would work and would I think stop the vast majority of the problems we now have. Two of my threads ended up going off topic and I could have easily stopped that from happening had I, as the poster had that option.
Maybe one for admin to look at at some stage in the future?
Blimey....hijacking me own thread now. :shock:

:shock: everyone including myself would be booted if they don't agree with you! lol

You would be left chatting to yourself! rotflmao

24 Sep 2008

Quote by capricornten
I feel that the reason why Britain is 'broken' is due to the fact that it was based or built on a lie.
This lie being the Empire therefore making it Great Britain.
All Empire's fall or destory themsleves because they take & never give anything in return.
So Empire's are cursed due to the wickness that they have done to others.
For the record, I am Mixed Race born & living in Liverpool. All I have experienced living my entire 31 years in this country is negativity.
An example of this is our collectivite obsession with the Weather... :
All we do is moan about it raining.
It's Britian it has & will always Rain along with the Weather being unpredictable.
I've been in contact with people from all over the world & even they cannot understand the obsession over the Weather, that we have... :?:
We moan about not getting enough Hot Summers like we are in the same part of the globe as
Jamaica... :shock:
Again an example of moaning negative Britian.
As I've mentioned in a previous thread about winning the Lottery, I mentioned about the affect that spending a hoilday in Barbados had on me last year (2006). The people had a pride & respect for there environment that I've never seen.
No spit, no Dog Mess, no litter in the streets, no vomit in the city centre after a Saturday night / Sunday Morning.
Just a quite polite respect for the nation & their history. That manifests in a respect for the elderly, beaches, Police, property.
I would really look back at the History of Great Britain & all you really see is misery....
Absloute Monchary.
Press Gangs.
The exploitation of the most vulnerable for the gain of the few wealthy elite.
London centric...the futher away the less opportunities you have. This has been going on for centuries & still exsits.
The Slave Trade...Africa & the entire African diaspora still are feeling the affect of this today.
Our historical relationship with Alcohol & Illegal Drugs. We drink & take more Drugs than any other nation in Europe... :!:
Their are many things that this nation does well & has given the world for the better...from the Railway / Steam Train to Football to
The Rolling Stones....
So am not Anti - Britian, if you create something on a lie then it will always be negative & poison.
I've tried to contribute to this thread without writing a essay (that would be very easy for me to produce), I hope that you can understand my points either if you agree or disagree.
From,
Wunderhorse.

Is that the same Barbados where away from the beachfront people live in shanty towns? Where shacks are made from wood with corrugated iron roofs and all those in poverty just hang around and smoke week all day?
Been there many times! Go back and have a good look next time. lol

So capricornten, I write loads about a subject & all you did was just be negative...another example of Britian today.
Yeah, people in Barbados do live as you say live in poverty but they would not mugg you becasue you have more then them.
In the neighborhood where my extended family live has people living in them conditions of as you mentioned:
'shacks are made from wood with corrugated iron roofs...'.
Yet these people where never a threat to me or any member of my family both close & extended.
This I could not belive as I had a low view on humanity & the people whom are poor would mugg & roob & kill to survive.
These people are diffrent...they have self-respect. Even if they live poor they have respect for themsleves. The Government of Barbados needs to sort this problem out as eventually the poor will rise up & possible trouble might occur.
No where is perfect & capricornten...I am more than aware of this fact.
Another thing I didn't like was the following:
'...those in poverty just hang around and smoke week all day?'.
That is a generalization with NO basis in fact.
Quite a lot of the people of Barbados are Anti - Drugs due to seeing the affect of this in other fellow Caribbean nations such as:
Jamaica.
Also the people of Barbados are Christian but without being in your face about it unlike certain parts of the United States of America.
So Illegal Drugs are seen as being wrong.
Barbados has been classified by the United Nations as having...Developed Country Status. Placing it on par with the U.K, Norway, Japan, Canada, France, Germany, New Zeland....
So capricornten, I know my facts about Barbados maybe because I have family living in that nation, perhaps.... :idea:
So your point about 'weed' is just typical of how people view the Caribbean & it's people.
My final point is this...I can go out on a Saturday night in Barbados & not get into any fights or see any fights. No ones is vomiting due to being drunk & I can go home safe.
Unlike a certain place called the U.K..... rolleyes

capricornten..... :?:
From,
Wunderhorse.
p.s: If you can vist Barbados & don't let anyone tell you otherwise. It's a lovely place with lovely people that enrich the soul.

24 Sep 2008

Quote by flower411
People banging there heads against the wall in frustration doesn`t appear to me to be because they are in any way commenting on your opinion or views.

A cop out if ever there was one rolleyes

It is simply the fact that you constantly pick peoples threads apart line by line if they have the audacity to disagree with you.

Duh! That's what debate and discussion is.
Or put another way, if you don't want what you say to be picked up on then there's a simple answer... don't fucking say it! :roll:

Your constant nit-picking and total inability to allow somebody to express a differing opinion to your own is, at worst, a form of bullying and, at best, just plain boring.

Nit picking? I see it as attention to detail. Don't like it? Tough.
You only see me debating with someone who has a differing opinion as it tends to be somewhat of a mutual masturbation session if one chooses to debate with someone with the same opinion.
As for the bullying, well the answer to that is bollocks, you do talk some shite now and again, and if you're bored then the answer is simply to stay clear. There are a lot of threads and posts here that bore me. I don't pipe up and say that they are boring I simply steer clear. Something that you may be as well doing, if only for the sake of your blood pressure.
Now I can only perceive your post to be trolling as it has fuck all to do with the thread topic, is nothing but an essay on your personal beliefs about me personally and is generally a waste of space and close to breeching the AUP as it is nothing but a personal attack on me.
Now frankly I'm getting a bit pissed off by all these pops at me personally. And I'm sick to fucking death of hypocrites like you swanning into a thread, coming up with crap like this then expecting to be perceived as the voice of reason.

24 Sep 2008

Quote by Peanut
Or put another way, if you don't want what you say to be picked up on then there's a simple answer... don't fucking say it!

Peanut,
The above quote is another example of you going well over the top...again.
I've mentioned that you sometimes have to leave a debate as it can do your reputation in the community more harm than good.
I know this from MY OWN experiences on this Forum & Community.
You don't have to use language like this & all people will do is when they view an thread of interest but see that you have made an contribution...they will not post their views...to avoid you.
Relax Peanut...relax.
From,
Wunderhorse.

24 Sep 2008

Quote by Peanut
As for the bullying, well the answer to that is bollocks, you do talk some shite now and again, and if you're bored then the answer is simply to stay clear.
Now I can only perceive your post to be trolling as it has fuck all to do with the thread topic...

Another example of your style...Peanut.
Relax...don't go on the site for a couple of days, read some books, listen to some music...relax.
From,
Wunderhorse.

24 Sep 2008

Quote by flower411
Same old bad language and abuse !
Can`t you just accept that someone has a different point of view for once and walk away ?

Not when it's directed squarely at me personally, no!

24 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
My opinion on it should be that who ever started the thread, should have the power to either delete a post or to be able to issue a warning.
This was my original thread and what started off as a debate, as usual goes off topic, and away from the question that I asked...exactly the same thing happened on my 9/11 thread.
If I open a chat room I have the power to kick members who are either abusive or nasty. You should be able to have those same powers in the forum IF it is your own thread.
I feel that would work and would I think stop the vast majority of the problems we now have. Two of my threads ended up going off topic and I could have easily stopped that from happening had I, as the poster had that option.
Maybe one for admin to look at at some stage in the future?
Blimey....hijacking me own thread now. :shock:

but this is a forum................ not a chatroom.
secondly if admin/mods havn't even commented on a sensible, pragmatic approach like splitting the chatroom, they are hardly going to give the power of the "delete post" or "lock thread" to the OP a second thought they?