I've just heard this on the radio.
If a teacher has sex with a pupil they lose their job and go on the sex offenders register.
This includes pupils up to the age of 18.
If the teacher picks up an 18 year old at a club and has sex this is not illegal.
Can this be right?
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Can this be right?
I think that is right, a teacher has a responsibly to their students a person they could turn to if needed, for advice. This trust could be abused I believe. Whereby when a teacher is out at a night club they are just like the rest of us just another member of the public and should be treated that way.
This is just my opinion.
This is just my opinion.
It is quite correct Keeno. Teachers have a duty of care towards their pupils and this does not include having sex with them. I would hope that any teacher worth their metal wouldn't be picking up 18 year olds in night clubs either even though they are legally classified as adults the maturity level might well be suspect. Teachers should stick to older people. After all we are expected to be supermen and women. (And most of us are)
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It's only if they attend the school the teacher is employed at, legally, they can have whatever sort of relationship they want with a 16-18 year old from the school over the road 
Think it was introduced to stop teachers taking advantage of 6th form students under their supervision. As for the sex offends list, you can get added to that for mooning someone or even taking a piss is public (exposure laws) if they really, really wanted to prosecute you hard :shock:
Think it was introduced to stop teachers taking advantage of 6th form students under their supervision. As for the sex offends list, you can get added to that for mooning someone or even taking a piss is public (exposure laws) if they really, really wanted to prosecute you hard :shock:
Quote by buckingfabe
I would hope that any teacher worth their metal wouldn't be picking up 18 year olds in night clubs either even though they are legally classified as adults the maturity level might well be suspect. Teachers should stick to older people.
Is that all teachers? Wouldn't the 22 year old NQT's be accused of granny-grabbing if they looked for older people?
Quote by northwest-cpl
I would hope that any teacher worth their metal wouldn't be picking up 18 year olds in night clubs either even though they are legally classified as adults the maturity level might well be suspect. Teachers should stick to older people.
Is that all teachers? Wouldn't the 22 year old NQT's be accused of granny-grabbing if they looked for older people?
Not at all. They could choose 20,21,22 or even 23 year olds up to 25 maybe without being accused of anything.
Quote by keeno
I can see what people are saying about a duty of care but the sex offenders register??????
Isn't that a bit extreme?
no... not in my opinion.
The "Register" is there to ensure that a record is maintained against those who have "preyed" on those in a more "vulnerable" position than to those given a short or community based punishment as a method of ensuring that whilst the offence and sentence was light... their future conduct is to be kept monitored.
The problem as i see it... is that many people dont know what the punishment for some conduct could be... therefore not taking advantages of the fact that the "sentence" is a form of deterrent.
I hope this makes sense....
Quote by buckingfabe
It is quite correct Keeno. Teachers have a duty of care towards their pupils and this does not include having sex with them. I would hope that any teacher worth their metal wouldn't be picking up 18 year olds in night clubs either even though they are legally classified as adults the maturity level might well be suspect. Teachers should stick to older people. After all we are expected to be supermen and women. (And most of us are)
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I have to disagree with you, or I could be reading this incorrectly. Are you saying that a teacher has a higher maturity than other people? Because that is how I am reading your statement.
I know some very mature 18 year olds and there are some very immature teachers around.
Quote by keeno
Urinating in public gets you on the register?????
I defy any man here to say he hasn't had a crafty piss in a public place.
This is crazy
It depends on the circumstances. If one was down the back of a dark alley... away from site/vision, releiving themselves then you would be safe. Id call this a crafty piss. Ive done it myself, and often late at night, when walking my dog, i might have one up against the tree in the park.... but its not vaguely sexual.
waving yer todge in public, pissing up against the wall in an open area is absolutely gross and also probably not going to get you on the register either...
Youd be surprised though at the number of "flashers" that claim they were just having a pee... when they were actually doing something more sinister....
Now they are they type of people who might end up n the register...
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Quote by DeeCee
Urinating in public gets you on the register?????
I defy any man here to say he hasn't had a crafty piss in a public place.
This is crazy
It depends on the circumstances. If one was down the back of a dark alley... away from site/vision, releiving themselves then you would be safe. Id call this a crafty piss. Ive done it myself, and often late at night, when walking my dog, i might have one up against the tree in the park.... but its not vaguely sexual.
waving yer todge in public, pissing up against the wall in an open area is absolutely gross and also probably not going to get you on the register either...
Youd be surprised though at the number of "flashers" that claim they were just having a pee... when they were actually doing something more sinister....
Now they are they type of people who might end up n the register...
oh dear so where would i of stood the other day when i got caught short on the motorway
there had been a crash up ahaed and we had been stood still for yonks n i was incredibly desperate we got moving but very very slowly and i knew i couldn't hold till we got to services cause i had no idea how much longer we would b crawling so i made hubby pull onto hard shoulder, there was no bushes to hide behind so i opened my door and passenger door n squated between the 2 and would ya believe it cause i had been holdin on so damn long it took me forever to go, didn't help there was a long que of traffic crawling past i can tell ya
now in this situation could i get done for that??
just for future ref bit scarey if i could end up as a sexual offender for that
Quote by bouncy332
Urinating in public gets you on the register?????
I defy any man here to say he hasn't had a crafty piss in a public place.
This is crazy
It depends on the circumstances. If one was down the back of a dark alley... away from site/vision, releiving themselves then you would be safe. Id call this a crafty piss. Ive done it myself, and often late at night, when walking my dog, i might have one up against the tree in the park.... but its not vaguely sexual.
waving yer todge in public, pissing up against the wall in an open area is absolutely gross and also probably not going to get you on the register either...
Youd be surprised though at the number of "flashers" that claim they were just having a pee... when they were actually doing something more sinister....
Now they are they type of people who might end up n the register...
oh dear so where would i of stood the other day when i got caught short on the motorway
there had been a crash up ahaed and we had been stood still for yonks n i was incredibly desperate we got moving but very very slowly and i knew i couldn't hold till we got to services cause i had no idea how much longer we would b crawling so i made hubby pull onto hard shoulder, there was no bushes to hide behind so i opened my door and passenger door n squated between the 2 and would ya believe it cause i had been holdin on so damn long it took me forever to go, didn't help there was a long que of traffic crawling past i can tell ya
now in this situation could i get done for that??
just for future ref bit scarey if i could end up as a sexual offender for that
I have been there done that too!But we have a sliding door at the back now, not so easy to hide from traffic coming your way anymore! :shock:
Quote by keeno
I can see what people are saying about a duty of care but the sex offenders register??????
Isn't that a bit extreme?
Of course it is but.... so is having sex with one of your pupils. They are in a position of trust, the same way a doctor is. If a doctor had sex with one of their patients, they would be struck off no matter what the age of the patient.
Remember that until somebody reaches 18 they are NOT an adult. The teachers are placed in a position of responsibility towards the " children " in their care.
They know when they take that teachers job the ultimate sin, if that is the right word, would be to have sex with one of your pupils. They know it and we know it, so if they want to ignore that fact, then when caught heavy punishments should be there to stop it.
What namby pamby member of the teachers union, decided it was ok to have sex with one of your pupils? It beggars belief that anyone would think it was ok, let alone somebody quite high up in a union. Whatever happened to protecting our kids?
Quote by Theladyisaminx
It is quite correct Keeno. Teachers have a duty of care towards their pupils and this does not include having sex with them. I would hope that any teacher worth their metal wouldn't be picking up 18 year olds in night clubs either even though they are legally classified as adults the maturity level might well be suspect. Teachers should stick to older people. After all we are expected to be supermen and women. (And most of us are)
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I have to disagree with you, or I could be reading this incorrectly. Are you saying that a teacher has a higher maturity than other people? Because that is how I am reading your statement.
I know some very mature 18 year olds and there are some very immature teachers around.
Immature and bad ones too.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
They know when they take that teachers job the ultimate sin, if that is the right word, would be to have sex with one of your pupils. They know it and we know it, so if they want to ignore that fact, then when caught heavy punishments should be there to stop it.
What namby pamby member of the teachers union, decided it was ok to have sex with one of your pupils? It beggars belief that anyone would think it was ok, let alone somebody quite high up in a union. Whatever happened to protecting our kids?
I always think of Sting when I hear of anything like this - he was 'stalked' (for want of a better word) by a pupil, when he was a teacher (wrote a song about it - 'Don't stand so close to me').
What union says it's OK to have sex with a pupil?
Quote by Freckledbird
They know when they take that teachers job the ultimate sin, if that is the right word, would be to have sex with one of your pupils. They know it and we know it, so if they want to ignore that fact, then when caught heavy punishments should be there to stop it.
What namby pamby member of the teachers union, decided it was ok to have sex with one of your pupils? It beggars belief that anyone would think it was ok, let alone somebody quite high up in a union. Whatever happened to protecting our kids?
I always think of Sting when I hear of anything like this - he was 'stalked' (for want of a better word) by a pupil, when he was a teacher (wrote a song about it - 'Don't stand so close to me').
What union says it's OK to have sex with a pupil?
I heard it on the radio this morning, and will be in the papers tom. When I see an artical about it, I will post it. I was not listening as to what union or who said it FB, but that is what all the fuss was about,not so much what was said, but who had said it.
Will keep ya posted.
Sex God
Quote by Freckledbird
They know when they take that teachers job the ultimate sin, if that is the right word, would be to have sex with one of your pupils. They know it and we know it, so if they want to ignore that fact, then when caught heavy punishments should be there to stop it.
What namby pamby member of the teachers union, decided it was ok to have sex with one of your pupils? It beggars belief that anyone would think it was ok, let alone somebody quite high up in a union. Whatever happened to protecting our kids?
I always think of Sting when I hear of anything like this - he was 'stalked' (for want of a better word) by a pupil, when he was a teacher (wrote a song about it - 'Don't stand so close to me').
What union says it's OK to have sex with a pupil?
the NUS....
Sex God
Quote by wild rose and the stag
They know when they take that teachers job the ultimate sin, if that is the right word, would be to have sex with one of your pupils. They know it and we know it, so if they want to ignore that fact, then when caught heavy punishments should be there to stop it.
What namby pamby member of the teachers union, decided it was ok to have sex with one of your pupils? It beggars belief that anyone would think it was ok, let alone somebody quite high up in a union. Whatever happened to protecting our kids?
I always think of Sting when I hear of anything like this - he was 'stalked' (for want of a better word) by a pupil, when he was a teacher (wrote a song about it - 'Don't stand so close to me').
What union says it's OK to have sex with a pupil?
the NUS....
The NUS is the National Union of Students.
Sex God
IT AINT IS IT..
Sex God
Chris Keates of the NASUWT said:
"But it does seem a step too far, when there has been a consensual relationship, to put that person on the sex offenders register when, in fact, they could have a perfectly legitimate relationship with an 18-year-old at another school."
What she said was that they shouldn't go on the sex offenders register. I'm inclined to agree - either put any teacher having a sexual relationship with anyone under 18 on the register, or none at all. What's the difference if they are/aren't at the school you teach in? If it's abuse yes, but not if it's consensual.
With regard to the male pupil, sorry but he probably bragged to all his mates about it and then changed his stance to 'poor me, I lost a piece of my childhood', when he got caught out. He was supposedly 'seduced' but they then had an affair? Why was that any more likely to ruin his life than if he'd met someone older when out? I had a relationship with a 34-year old man when I was 16. Wouldn't have made any difference if he'd been a teacher.
"But it does seem a step too far, when there has been a consensual relationship, to put that person on the sex offenders register when, in fact, they could have a perfectly legitimate relationship with an 18-year-old at another school."
What she said was that they shouldn't go on the sex offenders register. I'm inclined to agree - either put any teacher having a sexual relationship with anyone under 18 on the register, or none at all. What's the difference if they are/aren't at the school you teach in? If it's abuse yes, but not if it's consensual.
With regard to the male pupil, sorry but he probably bragged to all his mates about it and then changed his stance to 'poor me, I lost a piece of my childhood', when he got caught out. He was supposedly 'seduced' but they then had an affair? Why was that any more likely to ruin his life than if he'd met someone older when out? I had a relationship with a 34-year old man when I was 16. Wouldn't have made any difference if he'd been a teacher.
Quote by Freckledbird
Chris Keates of the NASUWT said:
"But it does seem a step too far, when there has been a consensual relationship, to put that person on the sex offenders register when, in fact, they could have a perfectly legitimate relationship with an 18-year-old at another school."
What she said was that they shouldn't go on the sex offenders register. I'm inclined to agree - either put any teacher having a sexual relationship with anyone under 18 on the register, or none at all. What's the difference if they are/aren't at the school you teach in? If it's abuse yes, but not if it's consensual.
With regard to the male pupil, sorry but he probably bragged to all his mates about it and then changed his stance to 'poor me, I lost a piece of my childhood', when he got caught out. He was supposedly 'seduced' but they then had an affair? Why was that any more likely to ruin his life than if he'd met someone older when out? I had a relationship with a 34-year old man when I was 16. Wouldn't have made any difference if he'd been a teacher.
Agree FB. To a point.
Blimey what 16 year old boy would not want sex with a good looking older woman? Anyway did she force him? I guess she did not.
Does not quite make it right though me thinks. Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
Chris Keates of the NASUWT said:
"But it does seem a step too far, when there has been a consensual relationship, to put that person on the sex offenders register when, in fact, they could have a perfectly legitimate relationship with an 18-year-old at another school."
What she said was that they shouldn't go on the sex offenders register. I'm inclined to agree - either put any teacher having a sexual relationship with anyone under 18 on the register, or none at all. What's the difference if they are/aren't at the school you teach in? If it's abuse yes, but not if it's consensual.
With regard to the male pupil, sorry but he probably bragged to all his mates about it and then changed his stance to 'poor me, I lost a piece of my childhood', when he got caught out. He was supposedly 'seduced' but they then had an affair? Why was that any more likely to ruin his life than if he'd met someone older when out? I had a relationship with a 34-year old man when I was 16. Wouldn't have made any difference if he'd been a teacher.
Agree FB. To a point.
Blimey what 16 year old boy would not want sex with a good looking older woman? Anyway did she force him? I guess she did not.
Does not quite make it right though me thinks.Please don't get me wrong - I'm certainly not saying it's acceptable. But I don't think it merits an entry on the sex offenders register.
The thing is, what happens if the teacher has sex with the pupil, and the teacher ends up on the sex offender register, BUT the relationship lasts (stranger things have happened)....the teacher has this hanging over him (I will say him, but only for the sake of not keeping on typing him/her all the time.
Does that mean 'he' is labelled for the rest of their marriage/relationship/partnership as a danger to society....doesnt seem fair somehow to me.
Does that mean 'he' is labelled for the rest of their marriage/relationship/partnership as a danger to society....doesnt seem fair somehow to me.
Sex God
Quote by Freckledbird
Chris Keates of the NASUWT said:
"But it does seem a step too far, when there has been a consensual relationship, to put that person on the sex offenders register when, in fact, they could have a perfectly legitimate relationship with an 18-year-old at another school."
What she said was that they shouldn't go on the sex offenders register. I'm inclined to agree - either put any teacher having a sexual relationship with anyone under 18 on the register, or none at all. What's the difference if they are/aren't at the school you teach in? If it's abuse yes, but not if it's consensual.
With regard to the male pupil, sorry but he probably bragged to all his mates about it and then changed his stance to 'poor me, I lost a piece of my childhood', when he got caught out. He was supposedly 'seduced' but they then had an affair? Why was that any more likely to ruin his life than if he'd met someone older when out? I had a relationship with a 34-year old man when I was 16. Wouldn't have made any difference if he'd been a teacher.
Agree FB. To a point.
Blimey what 16 year old boy would not want sex with a good looking older woman? Anyway did she force him? I guess she did not.
Does not quite make it right though me thinks.Please don't get me wrong - I'm certainly not saying it's acceptable. But I don't think it merits an entry on the sex offenders register.
I totally agree with FB. The idea of being put on the same register as a child molester or some such is way to extreme. You talk about the fact that Dr's would be struck off. OK, thats a little different isn't it. They lose their professional status and their employment. What doesn't happen is that they are then stigmatised for the rest of their days by every section of the public.
Fair enough to take their livelihood and their reputation away from them but to subject a teacher for having sex with a 16 - 18 year old to a life time of just awfulness, which for the average molester is no less maybe than they deserve, in my mind is so wrong.
I went out with a 22 year old teacher when i was 17 I was a trainee Chef. Was that teacher bad for going out with me? Would they deserve to lose their reputation for that? I don't think so. I was at the same college as they were teaching at though not the same subject admitted.
ome on, at what point do we lay some of the responsiblity on the teen, ermm no child, ermmmm no adult, ermmm no a young adult
Quote by kentswingers777
They know when they take that teachers job the ultimate sin, if that is the right word, would be to have sex with one of your pupils. They know it and we know it, so if they want to ignore that fact, then when caught heavy punishments should be there to stop it.
What namby pamby member of the teachers union, decided it was ok to have sex with one of your pupils? It beggars belief that anyone would think it was ok, let alone somebody quite high up in a union. Whatever happened to protecting our kids?
I always think of Sting when I hear of anything like this - he was 'stalked' (for want of a better word) by a pupil, when he was a teacher (wrote a song about it - 'Don't stand so close to me').
What union says it's OK to have sex with a pupil?
I heard it on the radio this morning, and will be in the papers tom. When I see an artical about it, I will post it. I was not listening as to what union or who said it FB, but that is what all the fuss was about,not so much what was said, but who had said it.
Will keep ya posted.
You mean, it wasn't in the SUN :shock: :shock:
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
This is an artical I found FB.
The person that said it was a high ranking union official, NASUWT general secretary Chris Keates
Im impressed!
Its not only the Sun you read
but can I ask, what took you and your interest to the Sheff Forum? And dont say Google! 