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If you were caught on a train without a ticket, you would get a £20 fine. So no difference to me.
Mrs 777 xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Trains are big long things run on tracks............
Sorry
I shall say again for the hard of HEARING.... The kids KNOW that no Oyster card NO travel!!!
If kids had to pay for their travel am sure Mummsy would make sure they had the money, so make sure they have their Oyster card fgs.
What is so difficult for some to understand that? It's called rules, and if you do not want rules then naff off to Cuba!
Remember this though. Not long ago children HAD to pay to use the buses, then along came Ken and his lefties and made it free for all kids on the condition an Oyster card was purchased, and that the rules were adhered too. Also read the conditions put down when getting a card..that you agree to abide by the rules set out by Transport for London. It's there in black and white, if people choose not to read them then tough. Dont start moaning when you break them.
Now read how much people say they are paying for their kids travel at the moment.
Red Ken made it a very generous concession, for kids to travel for free. I do not know of any other city that this
happens. So it is a concession and NOT a right for free travel, that can also be taken away at any time as well.
The rules are very clear and there for all to see. If that concession were to be taken away from the kids of London, then would the same rules apply if kids had no money to pay for their fares? Would the bus driver still be put in a moral dilema as to either let the child on, or not?
Londoners are lucky that their children can travel for FREE, but rules apply, as it does in every walk of life. But of course there are always those people who just hate rules, until they want the rules to apply to someone that has done them wrong. Ya can't have it both ways here, but of course some want a large slice of cake, and scoff their faces with it too.
My opinion of course. 8-)
If kids had to pay for their travel am sure Mummsy would make sure they had the money, so make sure they have their Oyster card fgs.
What is so difficult for some to understand that? It's called rules, and if you do not want rules then naff off to Cuba!
Remember this though. Not long ago children HAD to pay to use the buses, then along came Ken and his lefties and made it free for all kids on the condition an Oyster card was purchased, and that the rules were adhered too. Also read the conditions put down when getting a card..that you agree to abide by the rules set out by Transport for London. It's there in black and white, if people choose not to read them then tough. Dont start moaning when you break them.
Now read how much people say they are paying for their kids travel at the moment.
Red Ken made it a very generous concession, for kids to travel for free. I do not know of any other city that this
happens. So it is a concession and NOT a right for free travel, that can also be taken away at any time as well.
The rules are very clear and there for all to see. If that concession were to be taken away from the kids of London, then would the same rules apply if kids had no money to pay for their fares? Would the bus driver still be put in a moral dilema as to either let the child on, or not?
Londoners are lucky that their children can travel for FREE, but rules apply, as it does in every walk of life. But of course there are always those people who just hate rules, until they want the rules to apply to someone that has done them wrong. Ya can't have it both ways here, but of course some want a large slice of cake, and scoff their faces with it too.
My opinion of course. 8-)
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I shall say again for the hard of HEARING.... The kids KNOW that no Oyster card NO travel!!!
That sounds more like a statement of fact rather than an opinion so I'll counter with something else...
Kids know a lot of things, but sometimes they forget those things, primarily because they don't think like adults, which is what you are doing now.
It must be great being a perfect adult who never forgets anything or gets anything wrong. I wish I was like you.
Meanwhile back in the real world, kids forget things and lose things. They do it all the time and I really don't think that will change any time soon. Do you?
So this leaves several quandaries. What happens to the poor kid who's lost his pass? What happens to the kid who's forgotten his?
Now you suggest that they should be punished by not being allowed access to the bus.
I suggest that they should be allowed access to the bus.
You suggest that it should be this way because there are rules.
I suggest that it should be my way because it's safer for the kid to be allowed on.
So the crux of the matter seems to be that you suggest that rules take priority over safety.
Do I have this right?
Quote by Peanut
I tend to disagree with both of the above viewpoints.
Much as I tend to dislike gobby 11 year olds, I dislike slavish and robotic obedience to the powers that be more.
I'm sorry but it just seems to me to be a way of shirking one's own moral responsibilities and common-sense.
And no I wouldn't kick the kid off the bus and the boss can go fuck himself for all I care. If that kid got hurt because I kicked him/her off the bus I couldn't live with myself, and to me that is worth losing my job.
You fellers are obviously different.
Peanut I totally agree,
I have thought about this topic and to me the safety of all children would always come first.
If I was in that position I too would allow them on, if then they caused trouble I would ask them to leave, but I still have to give children the benefit of the doubt.
If then I got into trouble with the company and they sacked me because of it. I wonder if a court of law would see that a fair dismissal. I am not one to take any action to court, but I would that as a act of principal.
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I don't agree with them throwing kids off a bus who have a genuin reason... but i bet they get endless excuses each and every day.
I just wish they would kick the ones off that i have to sit and listen to 5 days a week on my way home from work.. The behaivour and language is disgusting.
Lil
Another good reason to have these cards is for that purpose. If children's behaviour on the bus is bad, the driver can report said child and a point would be added to their card. 3 points and cards are taken away. This will make the parents responsible to pay for travel. In London each bus you get on costs fall rate.
I do think the cards are a good idea, but have also found innocent children are being punished to.
After talking to friends this is happening a lot, one friends son had to walk 6 miles back from school on his own at aged 11, said he felt like a criminal, when he was ordered off the bus.
This can't be right surely, a slap on the wrist even a name taken down and recorded, and there must be another way to punish them.
This children have just left primary school where they have been taken and picked up most of the time, then to get used to travelling around on buses alone in London is bad enough, but then to have to walk a route they are just getting used to, I think is outright madness.
I have said to my daughter, you won’t forget it again, and yes the nights are still light and she knows the journey home on foot now. But I still think doing what this driver done shouldn’t happen to children that are not even old enough yet to be in the house alone.
I am not ranting at anyone just a rant!
Minxy after chatting to mrs777 this is my take on it.
Oyster cards are not a right they are a means to travel that can be revoked at anytime, due to bad behavour. As far as we know there are no points that go on an Oyster card.
If a child does not behave and say the child does graffiti on the bus, the driver can confiscate the card. If a child does anything bad they can lose the card. and rightly so.
So lets take an example... a child rips a seat and gets caught. The driver confiscates the card, which then renders that card useless. That child no longer has an Oyster card. Move forward the next day and that child goes to get on a bus and says they have lost the card. The driver then lets them om.
Now that card has been revoked for a reason but that child is still allowed to travel for free. Thats not right. The drivers have been told not to let a child on a bus without an Oyster card, for the reason they might not have one, could be that they have had it taken away.
When a child gets on a bus they have to put the card up against something that flashes green if ok, and red if not. If it flashes red, the driver can and often does refuse entry onto the bus. Mrs777's Daughter has said that on the buses she gets onto, every child knows that if they do not have a valid Oyster card, they cannot get on the bus.
However most schools will sub the child the bus fare in a case of an emergancy.
So to clarify if a child does not have their Oyster card, how does the driver know the real reason? It could well be that child has had the card taken away, and on that basis the driver often refuses entry onto the bus.
*Hmmm... wonders to self if she is getting more right wing in her old age as she finds herself nodding in agreement with a post of Kent's!?!? :shock: Must be meeting the lovely MrsKent in chat last night...
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Lostie .......... No! All these years and I never knew ..... :crazy:
Mrs 777 xxxxx
Mrs. K. - what have you done with Mr.K? :shock:
Nice to see you posting
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Lostie .......... No! All these years and I never knew ..... :crazy:
Mrs 777 xxxxx
Mrs. K. - what have you done with Mr.K? :shock:
Nice to see you posting
Shhhhh I've just finished burying him under my lovely new patio!!! Anyone got any pretty plants to put in the pots?
:happy:
Not really ........ he's out blasting around on his bike!!!
But it looks like I've caught post-itus as I can't resist coming in and having a look-see. And chatting to some of these lovely people in Forum Chat last night was great fun.
Mrs 777 xxxxxxxx
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Lostie .......... No! All these years and I never knew ..... :crazy:
Mrs 777 xxxxx
Mrs. K. - what have you done with Mr.K? :shock:
Nice to see you posting
I concur, and it's nice to see Mrs Kent gaining the confidence to poke her head out of the "pink and fluffy" threads too.
Kudos to you Mrs Kent!
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I shall say again for the hard of HEARING.... The kids KNOW that no Oyster card NO travel!!!
That sounds more like a statement of fact rather than an opinion so I'll counter with something else...
Kids know a lot of things, but sometimes they forget those things, primarily because they don't think like adults, which is what you are doing now.
It must be great being a perfect adult who never forgets anything or gets anything wrong. I wish I was like you.
Meanwhile back in the real world, kids forget things and lose things. They do it all the time and I really don't think that will change any time soon. Do you?
So this leaves several quandaries. What happens to the poor kid who's lost his pass? What happens to the kid who's forgotten his?
Now you suggest that they should be punished by not being allowed access to the bus.
I suggest that they should be allowed access to the bus.
You suggest that it should be this way because there are rules.
I suggest that it should be my way because it's safer for the kid to be allowed on.
So the crux of the matter seems to be that you suggest that rules take priority over safety.
Do I have this right?
I bet you wish you was too, but hey ho such is life..
Does priority take preference over safety? hmmmm. Let me give YOU a scenario then. A child gets on a bus and causes trouble. He or she rips a seat and is abusive to the driver. You with me ? Right that driver then chucks that child off of the bus and he or she then has to walk home. On the way home that child is either knocked down or God forbid something more serious happens.
Are you then telling me that the driver was wrong to kick that child off, and the driver is to blame as he followed the rules of his employer and ejected that child?
If a driver kicks a child off for ANY reason that is wrong then? In YOUR world a child should never be kicked off for any reason? Is that right?
If it is then that child has no reason to behave and has no fear of punishment. If it is not then a child kicked off could have something happen to it on the walk home... no ?
I know perfectly well that having no Oyster card is not the same reason as a child being abusive, and both could carry the punishment of not getting or staying on that bus but...there is a line that the bus companies follow, along the same lines you and me have to follow everyday of the week, and that word is " RULES ".
If a child has forgotten his card or lost it, the schools always will sub the child it,s fair, there are many other alternatives. Why should the bus company or the driver bare the brunt of this?
I know I am perfect but even I thought people less perfect would understand that point.
Maybe I should change my signature...what ya think? :lol: Mr perfect.... has a sort of ring about it me thinks. :lol:
Quote by noladreams30
I don't agree with them throwing kids off a bus who have a genuin reason... but i bet they get endless excuses each and every day.
I just wish they would kick the ones off that i have to sit and listen to 5 days a week on my way home from work.. The behaivour and language is disgusting.
Lil
Another good reason to have these cards is for that purpose. If children's behaviour on the bus is bad, the driver can report said child and a point would be added to their card. 3 points and cards are taken away. This will make the parents responsible to pay for travel. In London each bus you get on costs fall rate.
I do think the cards are a good idea, but have also found innocent children are being punished to.
After talking to friends this is happening a lot, one friends son had to walk 6 miles back from school on his own at aged 11, said he felt like a criminal, when he was ordered off the bus.
This can't be right surely, a slap on the wrist even a name taken down and recorded, and there must be another way to punish them.
This children have just left primary school where they have been taken and picked up most of the time, then to get used to travelling around on buses alone in London is bad enough, but then to have to walk a route they are just getting used to, I think is outright madness.
I have said to my daughter, you won’t forget it again, and yes the nights are still light and she knows the journey home on foot now. But I still think doing what this driver done shouldn’t happen to children that are not even old enough yet to be in the house alone.
I am not ranting at anyone just a rant!
Minxy after chatting to mrs777 this is my take on it.
Oyster cards are not a right they are a means to travel that can be revoked at anytime, due to bad behavour. As far as we know there are no points that go on an Oyster card.
If a child does not behave and say the child does graffiti on the bus, the driver can confiscate the card. If a child does anything bad they can lose the card. and rightly so.
So lets take an example... a child rips a seat and gets caught. The driver confiscates the card, which then renders that card useless. That child no longer has an Oyster card. Move forward the next day and that child goes to get on a bus and says they have lost the card. The driver then lets them om.
Now that card has been revoked for a reason but that child is still allowed to travel for free. Thats not right. The drivers have been told not to let a child on a bus without an Oyster card, for the reason they might not have one, could be that they have had it taken away.
When a child gets on a bus they have to put the card up against something that flashes green if ok, and red if not. If it flashes red, the driver can and often does refuse entry onto the bus. Mrs777's Daughter has said that on the buses she gets onto, every child knows that if they do not have a valid Oyster card, they cannot get on the bus.
However most schools will sub the child the bus fare in a case of an emergancy.
So to clarify if a child does not have their Oyster card, how does the driver know the real reason? It could well be that child has had the card taken away, and on that basis the driver often refuses entry onto the bus.
*Hmmm... wonders to self if she is getting more right wing in her old age as she finds herself nodding in agreement with a post of Kent's!?!? :shock: Must be meeting the lovely MrsKent in chat last night...
Nola you know I am right hun, it's just that you have now seen the error of your ways.
Don't worry they all do eventually. 8-)
Quote by kentswingers777
I shall say again for the hard of HEARING.... The kids KNOW that no Oyster card NO travel!!!
That sounds more like a statement of fact rather than an opinion so I'll counter with something else...
Kids know a lot of things, but sometimes they forget those things, primarily because they don't think like adults, which is what you are doing now.
It must be great being a perfect adult who never forgets anything or gets anything wrong. I wish I was like you.
Meanwhile back in the real world, kids forget things and lose things. They do it all the time and I really don't think that will change any time soon. Do you?
So this leaves several quandaries. What happens to the poor kid who's lost his pass? What happens to the kid who's forgotten his?
Now you suggest that they should be punished by not being allowed access to the bus.
I suggest that they should be allowed access to the bus.
You suggest that it should be this way because there are rules.
I suggest that it should be my way because it's safer for the kid to be allowed on.
So the crux of the matter seems to be that you suggest that rules take priority over safety.
Do I have this right?
I bet you wish you was too, but hey ho such is life..
Does priority take preference over safety? hmmmm. Let me give YOU a scenario then. A child gets on a bus and causes trouble. He or she rips a seat and is abusive to the driver. You with me ? Right that driver then chucks that child off of the bus and he or she then has to walk home. On the way home that child is either knocked down or God forbid something more serious happens.
Are you then telling me that the driver was wrong to kick that child off, and the driver is to blame as he followed the rules of his employer and ejected that child?
I think you are coming up with reasons to justify your answer to the original post!
If a driver kicks a child off for ANY reason that is wrong then? In YOUR world a child should never be kicked off for any reason? Is that right?
I have read through the posts and that isn't what anyone is saying incluing me!
I think you are trying to put words in our mouths.
If it is then that child has no reason to behave and has no fear of punishment. If it is not then a child kicked off could have something happen to it on the walk home... no ?
I know perfectly well that having no Oyster card is not the same reason as a child being abusive, and both could carry the punishment of not getting or staying on that bus but...there is a line that the bus companies follow, along the same lines you and me have to follow everyday of the week, and that word is " RULES ".
If a child has forgotten his card or lost it, the schools always will sub the child it,s fair, there are many other alternatives. Why should the bus company or the driver bare the brunt of this?
I know I am perfect but even I thought people less perfect would understand that point.
Maybe I should change my signature...what ya think? :lol: Mr perfect.... has a sort of ring about it me thinks. :lol:
My question was and still is would you throw a child off because they didn't have a bus pass that day?
Quote by kentswingers777
I shall say again for the hard of HEARING.... The kids KNOW that no Oyster card NO travel!!!
That sounds more like a statement of fact rather than an opinion so I'll counter with something else...
Kids know a lot of things, but sometimes they forget those things, primarily because they don't think like adults, which is what you are doing now.
It must be great being a perfect adult who never forgets anything or gets anything wrong. I wish I was like you.
Meanwhile back in the real world, kids forget things and lose things. They do it all the time and I really don't think that will change any time soon. Do you?
So this leaves several quandaries. What happens to the poor kid who's lost his pass? What happens to the kid who's forgotten his?
Now you suggest that they should be punished by not being allowed access to the bus.
I suggest that they should be allowed access to the bus.
You suggest that it should be this way because there are rules.
I suggest that it should be my way because it's safer for the kid to be allowed on.
So the crux of the matter seems to be that you suggest that rules take priority over safety.
Do I have this right?
I bet you wish you was too, but hey ho such is life..
Does priority take preference over safety? hmmmm. Let me give YOU a scenario then. A child gets on a bus and causes trouble. He or she rips a seat and is abusive to the driver. You with me ? Right that driver then chucks that child off of the bus and he or she then has to walk home. On the way home that child is either knocked down or God forbid something more serious happens.
Are you then telling me that the driver was wrong to kick that child off, and the driver is to blame as he followed the rules of his employer and ejected that child?
Yes I must have got the "perfect" thing wrong. Had you been perfect you would have realised that there is always more than just one choice in any given situation.
No, I wouldn't have thrown the child off in that situation. What I would have done is called the police. The child committed an illegal act and should therefore be subject to official punishment. Additionally had the police been called the child would also have been safe.
End result: driver did his job, child suitably punished/chastened, child not put in situation where his/her safety is at risk.
As I said. Safety takes precedence.
If a driver kicks a child off for ANY reason that is wrong then? In YOUR world a child should never be kicked off for any reason? Is that right?
Yup, that's right.
Doesn't mean I think the child should get off scot free though!
If it is then that child has no reason to behave and has no fear of punishment. If it is not then a child kicked off could have something happen to it on the walk home... no ?
Being kicked off, in my opinion, is not a suitable punishment. Neither is it an adequate one either.
I know perfectly well that having no Oyster card is not the same reason as a child being abusive, and both could carry the punishment of not getting or staying on that bus but...there is a line that the bus companies follow, along the same lines you and me have to follow everyday of the week, and that word is " RULES ".
No-one, ever, anywhere, you included, follows the rules 100% of the time so that is somewhat of a fallacious argument.
The day rules outweigh either common-sense or a child's safety is the day this country truly has gone down the shitter and been flushed.
If a child has forgotten his card or lost it, the schools always will sub the child it,s fair, there are many other alternatives. Why should the bus company or the driver bare the brunt of this?
Because we have a duty to keep kids safe, profit margins not withstanding.
I know I am perfect but even I thought people less perfect would understand that point.
Oh I understand the point, I just think it stinks. Especially by someone who has stated his views on what he would do to a should he catch one.
It seems a child's safety differs if its sexual innocence rather than someone's profits is the deciding factor.
Maybe I should change my signature...what ya think? :lol: Mr perfect.... has a sort of ring about it me thinks. :lol:
You put in your signature whatever you feel like. after all it is your right, isn't it?
Quote by Theladyisaminx
I shall say again for the hard of HEARING.... The kids KNOW that no Oyster card NO travel!!!
That sounds more like a statement of fact rather than an opinion so I'll counter with something else...
Kids know a lot of things, but sometimes they forget those things, primarily because they don't think like adults, which is what you are doing now.
It must be great being a perfect adult who never forgets anything or gets anything wrong. I wish I was like you.
Meanwhile back in the real world, kids forget things and lose things. They do it all the time and I really don't think that will change any time soon. Do you?
So this leaves several quandaries. What happens to the poor kid who's lost his pass? What happens to the kid who's forgotten his?
Now you suggest that they should be punished by not being allowed access to the bus.
I suggest that they should be allowed access to the bus.
You suggest that it should be this way because there are rules.
I suggest that it should be my way because it's safer for the kid to be allowed on.
So the crux of the matter seems to be that you suggest that rules take priority over safety.
Do I have this right?
I bet you wish you was too, but hey ho such is life..
Does priority take preference over safety? hmmmm. Let me give YOU a scenario then. A child gets on a bus and causes trouble. He or she rips a seat and is abusive to the driver. You with me ? Right that driver then chucks that child off of the bus and he or she then has to walk home. On the way home that child is either knocked down or God forbid something more serious happens.
Are you then telling me that the driver was wrong to kick that child off, and the driver is to blame as he followed the rules of his employer and ejected that child?
I think you are coming up with reasons to justify your answer to the original post!
If a driver kicks a child off for ANY reason that is wrong then? In YOUR world a child should never be kicked off for any reason? Is that right?
I have read through the posts and that isn't what anyone is saying incluing me!
I think you are trying to put words in our mouths.
If it is then that child has no reason to behave and has no fear of punishment. If it is not then a child kicked off could have something happen to it on the walk home... no ?
I know perfectly well that having no Oyster card is not the same reason as a child being abusive, and both could carry the punishment of not getting or staying on that bus but...there is a line that the bus companies follow, along the same lines you and me have to follow everyday of the week, and that word is " RULES ".
If a child has forgotten his card or lost it, the schools always will sub the child it,s fair, there are many other alternatives. Why should the bus company or the driver bare the brunt of this?
I know I am perfect but even I thought people less perfect would understand that point.
Maybe I should change my signature...what ya think? :lol: Mr perfect.... has a sort of ring about it me thinks. :lol:
My question was and still is would you throw a child off because they didn't have a bus pass that day?
Yes !! Won't do it again then maybe?
Quote by kentswingers777
I shall say again for the hard of HEARING.... The kids KNOW that no Oyster card NO travel!!!
That sounds more like a statement of fact rather than an opinion so I'll counter with something else...
Kids know a lot of things, but sometimes they forget those things, primarily because they don't think like adults, which is what you are doing now.
It must be great being a perfect adult who never forgets anything or gets anything wrong. I wish I was like you.
Meanwhile back in the real world, kids forget things and lose things. They do it all the time and I really don't think that will change any time soon. Do you?
So this leaves several quandaries. What happens to the poor kid who's lost his pass? What happens to the kid who's forgotten his?
Now you suggest that they should be punished by not being allowed access to the bus.
I suggest that they should be allowed access to the bus.
You suggest that it should be this way because there are rules.
I suggest that it should be my way because it's safer for the kid to be allowed on.
So the crux of the matter seems to be that you suggest that rules take priority over safety.
Do I have this right?
I bet you wish you was too, but hey ho such is life..
Does priority take preference over safety? hmmmm. Let me give YOU a scenario then. A child gets on a bus and causes trouble. He or she rips a seat and is abusive to the driver. You with me ? Right that driver then chucks that child off of the bus and he or she then has to walk home. On the way home that child is either knocked down or God forbid something more serious happens.
Are you then telling me that the driver was wrong to kick that child off, and the driver is to blame as he followed the rules of his employer and ejected that child?
I think you are coming up with reasons to justify your answer to the original post!
If a driver kicks a child off for ANY reason that is wrong then? In YOUR world a child should never be kicked off for any reason? Is that right?
I have read through the posts and that isn't what anyone is saying incluing me!
I think you are trying to put words in our mouths.
If it is then that child has no reason to behave and has no fear of punishment. If it is not then a child kicked off could have something happen to it on the walk home... no ?
I know perfectly well that having no Oyster card is not the same reason as a child being abusive, and both could carry the punishment of not getting or staying on that bus but...there is a line that the bus companies follow, along the same lines you and me have to follow everyday of the week, and that word is " RULES ".
If a child has forgotten his card or lost it, the schools always will sub the child it,s fair, there are many other alternatives. Why should the bus company or the driver bare the brunt of this?
I know I am perfect but even I thought people less perfect would understand that point.
Maybe I should change my signature...what ya think? :lol: Mr perfect.... has a sort of ring about it me thinks. :lol:
My question was and still is would you throw a child off because they didn't have a bus pass that day?
Yes !! Won't do it again then maybe?
Well I think if you have bought your kids up right a stiff word in their ear from the driver, to say you would not let them off next time would be enough to make them release that next time they would not be so lucky!
Talk about going off into a tangent m8.
It may well stink, but it is the rules. You seem the type of person that does not like sticking to rules....
You have your opinion and I have mine, and I know which one is right. Yes maybe will change me signature, as mr perfect just about sums me up really.
Ya cant even get a copper to come out if you have been burgled, how the heck is a copper going to come out to kick a nasty little brat off of a bus?
Rules are there, and if ya don't stick to them then don't moan, when people break them. I might as well talk to me telly.
It may well stink, but it is the rules. You seem the type of person that does not like sticking to rules....
You have your opinion and I have mine, and I know which one is right. Yes maybe will change me signature, as mr perfect just about sums me up really.
Ya cant even get a copper to come out if you have been burgled, how the heck is a copper going to come out to kick a nasty little brat off of a bus?
Rules are there, and if ya don't stick to them then don't moan, when people break them. I might as well talk to me telly.
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Talk about going off into a tangent m8.
It may well stink, but it is the rules. You seem the type of person that does not like sticking to rules....
You have your opinion and I have mine, and I know which one is right. Yes maybe will change me signature, as mr perfect just about sums me up really.
Ya cant even get a copper to come out if you have been burgled, how the heck is a copper going to come out to kick a nasty little brat off of a bus?
Rules are there, and if ya don't stick to them then don't moan, when people break them. I might as well talk to me telly.
Well thanks for your opinions on this.
I am now able to have a more educated opinion on yourself and what you are about. Thanks for the insight and the confirmation.
Quote by kentswingers777
Talk about going off into a tangent m8.
It may well stink, but it is the rules. You seem the type of person that does not like sticking to rules....
You have your opinion and I have mine, and I know which one is right. Yes maybe will change me signature, as mr perfect just about sums me up really.
Ya cant even get a copper to come out if you have been burgled, how the heck is a copper going to come out to kick a nasty little brat off of a bus?
Rules are there, and if ya don't stick to them then don't moan, when people break them. I might as well talk to me telly.
So do you stick by every rule?
Some I feel can be bend a little if it isnt breaking the law.
I didnt think you held rule is such a high esteem!
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