can throwing children off buses be right?

21 Sep 2008

Quote by Peanut
Yes !! Won't do it again then maybe?

At last the straight answer. Thank you.
Now, another question whilst we're on a roll.
Would you be able to forgive yourself if that child was subsequently harmed in some way on the way home?
I thought I made my views perfectly clear in my previous replies, will have to make sure I am much more clearer in future.
Your other question is one I cannot possibly answer without putting myself in that situation for real.
The answer would be hypothetical and irrelevant, and one which maybe you should find out from someone that has been through it. cool

To judge their feelings. I would not know how I would feel at that time.
Now I have made my views crystal clear and see no point in carrying on this pointless excercise, as it will only go down the locked thread again, which I for one do not want..but cannot speak for everybody.
So its goodnight from him and goodnight from me. lol

21 Sep 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
Your other question is one I cannot possibly answer without putting myself in that situation for real.
The answer would be hypothetical and irrelevant, and one which maybe you should find out from someone that has been through it. To judge their feelings. I would not know how I would feel at that time.

I would have thought that anyone with an imagination could quite have easily managed that one.
The fact that you either couldn't or wouldn't speaks volumes.
Once again, thank you.

21 Sep 2008

Quote by flower411
AAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHH :x :x
:banghead: :banghead:

Passing a kidney stone?

21 Sep 2008

why should a bus driver feel responsible for following rules? would it have been better to allow the child on then issue a £20 fine for traveling without the card?
Unfortunately we don't have these oyster cards up this way, however if we did i'd tend to blame myself for not checking they had the card when they left the house for school.

21 Sep 2008

Quote by Deviants
why should a bus driver feel responsible for following rules? would it have been better to allow the child on then issue a £20 fine for traveling without the card?
Unfortunately we don't have these oyster cards up this way, however if we did i'd tend to blame myself for not checking they had the card when they left the house for school.

why would he need to issue a £20 fine?
he's giving the child permission to travel,the child isn't trying to evade their fare...in fact if the driver wasn't such a cock...he could have just taken the childs name and address and his bus company could have billed the childs parents...and the reason drivers tend to let kids on anyway and not do that is its too much hassle and they just want to get on with the journey.

21 Sep 2008

Quote by Hibernian
why should a bus driver feel responsible for following rules? would it have been better to allow the child on then issue a £20 fine for traveling without the card?
Unfortunately we don't have these oyster cards up this way, however if we did i'd tend to blame myself for not checking they had the card when they left the house for school.

why would he need to issue a £20 fine?
he's giving the child permission to travel,the child isn't trying to evade their fare...in fact if the driver wasn't such a cock...he could have just taken the childs name and address and his bus company could have billed the childs parents...and the reason drivers tend to let kids on anyway and not do that is its too much hassle and they just want to get on with the journey.
I Was wondering when wee Jimmy Crankie would put in an appearance bolt

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21 Sep 2008

i cant understand how an adult would turn away an eleven year old for not having oyster card,but how many adults in the bus witnessed the child being deny entry and ignored to offer to pay or challenge the driver...i would have done is Deecee,this must be a crime under neglect on the law of tort?or is it negligent

21 Sep 2008

Quote by Phuckers
i cant understand how an adult would turn away an eleven year old for not having oyster card,but how many adults in the bus witnessed the child being deny entry and ignored to offer to pay or challenge the driver...i would have done is Deecee,this must be a crime under neglect on the law of tort?or is it negligent

Point of order M'lud. Tort law doesn't involve crime. :P

21 Sep 2008

I tort I taw a puddy Tat dunno

Gone to bed, honest. :arrow:

21 Sep 2008

Quote by Peanut
i cant understand how an adult would turn away an eleven year old for not having oyster card,but how many adults in the bus witnessed the child being deny entry and ignored to offer to pay or challenge the driver...i would have done is Deecee,this must be a crime under neglect on the law of tort?or is it negligent

Point of order M'lud. Tort law doesn't involve crime. :P
of course it doesnt cause it involves claims and compensations

21 Sep 2008

Quote by Phuckers
i cant understand how an adult would turn away an eleven year old for not having oyster card,but how many adults in the bus witnessed the child being deny entry and ignored to offer to pay or challenge the driver...i would have done is Deecee,this must be a crime under neglect on the law of tort?or is it negligent

Point of order M'lud. Tort law doesn't involve crime. :P
of course it doesnt cause it involves claims and compesations
Tort law is civil law, criminal law is, errr criminal law biggrin

22 Sep 2008

Take a leaf from the Spanish book...
Don't they throw children from church towers?
and donkey's from busses...or somesuch?
lp

22 Sep 2008

Phuckers dude...here i am... i have been in London for a few days....
a member of the public failing to pay on behalf of a child without a ticket wouldnt be an act of negligence. The public dont have such duties of care towards other members of the public.
maybe its morally right for an adult to stand up for a strangers child in these circumstances... but there is no obligation.
the closest .... and im struggling to find something here...i can see to someone being responsible for the child in the OP ... is the parent... for not ensuring that they had the pass with them when they left home....... but then again , for a tort to be committed, there has to be some sort of financial loss/harm caused/suffered....... a 3 mile walk never did any 11 year old i know any harm!!!!!
next...........lol

22 Sep 2008

Quote by DeeCee
Phuckers dude...here i am... i have been in London for a few days....
a member of the public failing to pay on behalf of a child without a ticket wouldnt be an act of negligence. The public dont have such duties of care towards other members of the public.
maybe its morally right for an adult to stand up for a strangers child in these circumstances... but there is no obligation.
the closest .... and im struggling to find something here...i can see to someone being responsible for the child in the OP ... is the parent... for not ensuring that they had the pass with them when they left home....... but then again , for a tort to be committed, there has to be some sort of financial loss/harm caused/suffered....... a 3 mile walk never did any 11 year old i know any harm!!!!!
next...........lol

well done very elliquently put,hope you're enjoying the big village.....
hey Deecee just off topic,at what point can you say someone is presummed guilty unless proven otherwise by the court of law?

22 Sep 2008

Quote by Phuckers
Phuckers dude...here i am... i have been in London for a few days....
a member of the public failing to pay on behalf of a child without a ticket wouldnt be an act of negligence. The public dont have such duties of care towards other members of the public.
maybe its morally right for an adult to stand up for a strangers child in these circumstances... but there is no obligation.
the closest .... and im struggling to find something here...i can see to someone being responsible for the child in the OP ... is the parent... for not ensuring that they had the pass with them when they left home....... but then again , for a tort to be committed, there has to be some sort of financial loss/harm caused/suffered....... a 3 mile walk never did any 11 year old i know any harm!!!!!
next...........lol

well done very elliquently put,hope you're enjoying the big village.....
hey Deecee just off topic,at what point can you say someone is presummed guilty unless proven otherwise by the court of law?
you cant.........there's still (just about) a presumption of innocence unless you plead guilty or are found guilty.
prior to this happening... one can only be labelled "the accused"...
unless specific reporting restrictions are made in a case, theres nothing to stop what you are accused of being made public.
what the feck have you done now Phuckers??????

22 Sep 2008

Quote by DeeCee
Phuckers dude...here i am... i have been in London for a few days....
a member of the public failing to pay on behalf of a child without a ticket wouldnt be an act of negligence. The public dont have such duties of care towards other members of the public.
maybe its morally right for an adult to stand up for a strangers child in these circumstances... but there is no obligation.
the closest .... and im struggling to find something here...i can see to someone being responsible for the child in the OP ... is the parent... for not ensuring that they had the pass with them when they left home....... but then again , for a tort to be committed, there has to be some sort of financial loss/harm caused/suffered....... a 3 mile walk never did any 11 year old i know any harm!!!!!
next...........lol

well done very elliquently put,hope you're enjoying the big village.....
hey Deecee just off topic,at what point can you say someone is presummed guilty unless proven otherwise by the court of law?
you cant.........there's still (just about) a presumption of innocence unless you plead guilty or are found guilty.
prior to this happening... one can only be labelled "the accused"...
unless specific reporting restrictions are made in a case, theres nothing to stop what you are accused of being made public.
what the feck have you done now Phuckers??????
hehehe dont worry am very disipline was taught common sense by my parents...
but i did think people denied bail before the hearing were presummed guilty,i must have been wrong

22 Sep 2008

Quote by Phuckers
Phuckers dude...here i am... i have been in London for a few days....
a member of the public failing to pay on behalf of a child without a ticket wouldnt be an act of negligence. The public dont have such duties of care towards other members of the public.
maybe its morally right for an adult to stand up for a strangers child in these circumstances... but there is no obligation.
the closest .... and im struggling to find something here...i can see to someone being responsible for the child in the OP ... is the parent... for not ensuring that they had the pass with them when they left home....... but then again , for a tort to be committed, there has to be some sort of financial loss/harm caused/suffered....... a 3 mile walk never did any 11 year old i know any harm!!!!!
next...........lol

well done very elliquently put,hope you're enjoying the big village.....
hey Deecee just off topic,at what point can you say someone is presummed guilty unless proven otherwise by the court of law?
you cant.........there's still (just about) a presumption of innocence unless you plead guilty or are found guilty.
prior to this happening... one can only be labelled "the accused"...
unless specific reporting restrictions are made in a case, theres nothing to stop what you are accused of being made public.
what the feck have you done now Phuckers??????
hehehe dont worry am very disipline was taught common sense by my parents...
but i did think people denied bail before the hearing were presummed guilty,i must have been wrong
hmmmmmmmm
people denied bail are presumed likely not to turn up, or carry on breaking the law if they are on the , say if its likely that a substantial term of prison will follow if convicted, bail can be withheld.
apparently

23 Sep 2008

Well I'm 43 and lost my coach ticket to go from the West Country to an airport and the coach driver let me on without it....these things are easily checked on computers....so I don't for the life of me understand why that bus driver had to be such an arse!!! mad