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wish they had free bus passes here for kids we have got to fork out £360 for our lad to travel to school for his a levels still trying to work out how and crossing fingers he can carry on gettin on bus un-noticed in the meantime
our oldest lad missed his stop a while back he is diabetic and had gone low so slept till he was around 10 miles from home he tried ringing us but we were out n phone on silent by ther time i had seen the missed call luckily the return bus driver had let him on for free to return home as he had no money on him and made sure he got off safely in our village
this i felt was above and beyond and he was very obviously a good guy with compassion and i will b eternally gratefull to the guy
our oldest lad missed his stop a while back he is diabetic and had gone low so slept till he was around 10 miles from home he tried ringing us but we were out n phone on silent by ther time i had seen the missed call luckily the return bus driver had let him on for free to return home as he had no money on him and made sure he got off safely in our village
this i felt was above and beyond and he was very obviously a good guy with compassion and i will b eternally gratefull to the guy
I've lived in London during 2006 & found that the
CCTV on Bus where on every one.... :shock:
This CCTV am sure is sent via a live link-up to a Central Control Base & the Drivers Cab is a main focal point.
So if the Driver did let the Schoolchild away with NOT having the correct I.D HE could be getting into deep trouble from a Jobsworth back at H.Q.
Am sure if the CCTV wasn't around he would of let the child off.
Just a sign of the times.
CCTV on Bus where on every one.... :shock:
This CCTV am sure is sent via a live link-up to a Central Control Base & the Drivers Cab is a main focal point.
So if the Driver did let the Schoolchild away with NOT having the correct I.D HE could be getting into deep trouble from a Jobsworth back at H.Q.
Am sure if the CCTV wasn't around he would of let the child off.
Just a sign of the times.
Casanova
I have to pay £65 a quarter for my son to get to school and back. This also consists of 2 buses each way and he has been kicked off several times. Once for taking his jumper off as his shirt started to rise to by accident. They assumed he was going to strip (that is so not him you would not believe) and once because someone complained about the smell of his bag and fish and chips he bought to bring home with him.
Bus drivers are notorious for expecting trouble off teenagers and kicking them off at the drop of a hat. Invariably my son tends to walk as much as possible and only really uses the bus during inclement weather.
Under the circumstances I think the children where I live should be entitled to free transport as well, seeing as they are so easily thrown off.
Bus drivers are notorious for expecting trouble off teenagers and kicking them off at the drop of a hat. Invariably my son tends to walk as much as possible and only really uses the bus during inclement weather.
Under the circumstances I think the children where I live should be entitled to free transport as well, seeing as they are so easily thrown off.
Sex God
We pay £20 per month for each of our 2 kids for their bus passes....
Pity we cant have oyster cards :lol2: would save us a small fortune...
Round here it used to be that you could fill in a small form if you hadn't the money or forgotten your pass etc so the money could then be claimed back(plus a small admin fee) but not sure if that system still operates....Too much scope for dishonesty I suspect....
Anyway.......Back to the question in the first post...
The bus driver was a total knob IMHO....
Pity we cant have oyster cards :lol2: would save us a small fortune...
Round here it used to be that you could fill in a small form if you hadn't the money or forgotten your pass etc so the money could then be claimed back(plus a small admin fee) but not sure if that system still operates....Too much scope for dishonesty I suspect....
Anyway.......Back to the question in the first post...
The bus driver was a total knob IMHO....
Quote by Mr-Powers
or look at another scenario
Bus driver tells child,your not coming on my bus.
Child has to walk home.
10pm and child still hasn't arrived home.
Two days later body of child found in bushs 1 mile from home.
Child had been and then strangled.
if this driver has any ounce of consience...letting that child on the bus...would have been the sensible thing to do regardless of his insurance!
Something like this actually happened a good few years ago when kids had to pay for bus fares. I can't remember the exact details but a girl in South London was ordered off the bus on her way home as she was short of (I think) 10p. As she was walking home she was assaulted.
Everybody was, understandably, outraged at the bus driver. Can't remember if anything was done about that.
Weird things do happen.
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If yopu complain to the depot they will understand your poiint, but they will ultimately say he was right.
Or...
They might realise that they need to put a better process in place to deal with lost passes whilst taking child safety into consideration. Complaints sometimes lead to change rather than two dimensional thinking i.e. right or wrong!
Quote by Serendipity
If yopu complain to the depot they will understand your poiint, but they will ultimately say he was right.
Or...
They might realise that they need to put a better process in place to deal with lost passes whilst taking child safety into consideration. Complaints sometimes lead to change rather than two dimensional thinking i.e. right or wrong!
We can but hope that this would be the case
Costs me £300 a year for a bus pass for the eldest to get to college. He only goes 4 days a week and one of those days he gets a lift back
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i think its a lesson to be learnt in making sure you always have your bus pass.......or you end up paying or walking!!!
whilst im sure she is a lovely girl, and i commend her friends for staying with her on the walk...... i dont have much sympathy for her.
I tend to agree with you to a point on this one.
The Oyster card is there for a reason...free travel IF you produce it. As has already been stated it is NOT free for most other parts of the country, so down here thank your lucky stars that they do get free travel.
Mrs777's kids also have oyster cards and we make sure they carry them at all times, for fear of a bus driver not letting one of them on. We always make sure they have it.
Yes the bus driver could well be accused of being an arse but he is told what to do in that scenario and it is up to the driver at that point in time. He chose not to let the child on. There are two things at fault here, firstly the child should have remembered this Oyster card and secondly the driver should have let the child travel but...Don't knock the geezer for doing his job, as he probably has this situation happen every day of the week.
If there was NO Oyster card and the child had NO money would that same driver have allowed that child to travel? Don't really see why he should.
A difficult one to judge though if honest, as there are two very strong arguements, and both seem to be right. :shock:
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I don’t know if this relates to the whole country or just here in London.
At the age of 11 children need to have an oyster card to travel free on the buses,
My daughter today forgot her oyster card for school as she gets a lift to school didn’t realise until home time.
She has to get two buses home from school and is 11 so has just started secondary schools.
She realised when walking to the bus stop that she didn’t have her pass, and tried to explain to the bus driver what had happened, she had her twin brother with her to, she was told she would have to pay or get off the bus there was nothing he could do. They don’t have money at school they have a lunch card and bus pass, so never need cash on them
They have just walked the three plus miles back from school.
I think to throw an 11 year old off the bus is appalling when full time students up to the age of 18 are entitled to free bus travel.
Am I alone in feeling this way?
What are others views?
if this is the case then why do they even need a card to travel, surely looking under 18 and and having a uniform on would be eough to know they qualify?
Quote by kentswingers777
i think its a lesson to be learnt in making sure you always have your bus pass.......or you end up paying or walking!!!
whilst im sure she is a lovely girl, and i commend her friends for staying with her on the walk...... i dont have much sympathy for her.
I tend to agree with you to a point on this one.
The Oyster card is there for a reason...free travel IF you produce it. As has already been stated it is NOT free for most other parts of the country, so down here thank your lucky stars that they do get free travel.
Mrs777's kids also have oyster cards and we make sure they carry them at all times, for fear of a bus driver not letting one of them on. We always make sure they have it.
Yes the bus driver could well be accused of being an arse but he is told what to do in that scenario and it is up to the driver at that point in time. He chose not to let the child on. There are two things at fault here, firstly the child should have remembered this Oyster card and secondly the driver should have let the child travel but...Don't knock the geezer for doing his job, as he probably has this situation happen every day of the week.
If there was NO Oyster card and the child had NO money would that same driver have allowed that child to travel? Don't really see why he should.
A difficult one to judge though if honest, as there are two very strong arguements, and both seem to be right. :shock:
Put it another way then.
What would you have done if you were the driver in that instance?
Sex God
I don't agree with them throwing kids off a bus who have a genuin reason... but i bet they get endless excuses each and every day.
I just wish they would kick the ones off that i have to sit and listen to 5 days a week on my way home from work.. The behaivour and language is disgusting.
Lil
I just wish they would kick the ones off that i have to sit and listen to 5 days a week on my way home from work.. The behaivour and language is disgusting.
Lil
Quote by Lilmiss
I don't agree with them throwing kids off a bus who have a genuin reason... but i bet they get endless excuses each and every day.
I just wish they would kick the ones off that i have to sit and listen to 5 days a week on my way home from work.. The behaivour and language is disgusting.
Lil
Ah come on lilmiss, the little loves have to express theirselves somehow.
Quote by kentswingers777
i think its a lesson to be learnt in making sure you always have your bus pass.......or you end up paying or walking!!!
whilst im sure she is a lovely girl, and i commend her friends for staying with her on the walk...... i dont have much sympathy for her.
I tend to agree with you to a point on this one.
The Oyster card is there for a reason...free travel IF you produce it. As has already been stated it is NOT free for most other parts of the country, so down here thank your lucky stars that they do get free travel.
Mrs777's kids also have oyster cards and we make sure they carry them at all times, for fear of a bus driver not letting one of them on. We always make sure they have it.
Are you blaming the parents then?
Yes the bus driver could well be accused of being an arse but he is told what to do in that scenario and it is up to the driver at that point in time. He chose not to let the child on. There are two things at fault here, firstly the child should have remembered this Oyster card and secondly the driver should have let the child travel but...Don't knock the geezer for doing his job, as he probably has this situation happen every day of the week.
If there was NO Oyster card and the child had NO money would that same driver have allowed that child to travel? Don't really see why he should.
Yes because they didnt pay before the Oyster cards
A difficult one to judge though if honest, as there are two very strong arguements, and both seem to be right. :shock:
Unlike you to agree on both sides of a debate!
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Quote by kentswingers777
I don't agree with them throwing kids off a bus who have a genuin reason... but i bet they get endless excuses each and every day.
I just wish they would kick the ones off that i have to sit and listen to 5 days a week on my way home from work.. The behaivour and language is disgusting.
Lil
Ah come on lilmiss, the little loves have to express theirselves somehow.
Well yeh...but not with...
"Oi....you with the grey hair..."
or
"im gonna fucking shit on your face"
Quote by Theladyisaminx
i think its a lesson to be learnt in making sure you always have your bus pass.......or you end up paying or walking!!!
whilst im sure she is a lovely girl, and i commend her friends for staying with her on the walk...... i dont have much sympathy for her.
I tend to agree with you to a point on this one.
The Oyster card is there for a reason...free travel IF you produce it. As has already been stated it is NOT free for most other parts of the country, so down here thank your lucky stars that they do get free travel.
Mrs777's kids also have oyster cards and we make sure they carry them at all times, for fear of a bus driver not letting one of them on. We always make sure they have it.
Are you blaming the parents then?
Yes the bus driver could well be accused of being an arse but he is told what to do in that scenario and it is up to the driver at that point in time. He chose not to let the child on. There are two things at fault here, firstly the child should have remembered this Oyster card and secondly the driver should have let the child travel but...Don't knock the geezer for doing his job, as he probably has this situation happen every day of the week.
If there was NO Oyster card and the child had NO money would that same driver have allowed that child to travel? Don't really see why he should.
Yes because they didnt pay before the Oyster cards
A difficult one to judge though if honest, as there are two very strong arguements, and both seem to be right. :shock:
Unlike you to agree on both sides of a debate!
Ohhhh I have come over all liberal Minxy. :lol:
If your child is under the age of 14 then it is the parents responsibility to make sure they have it. With little kiddy winks you have to make sure they have their keys and their lunch money and all the other little things they have to take. What is so different with something as important as their Oyster card?
Cos in your case had you of made sure they had it then this problem would not have happened.If over 14 then they should bloody remember themselves.
:lol:
When mrs777's son forgot it, he was lucky that the driver let him stay on, but had he not have let him, he would have had to use those funny little things on the end of your legs.... called feet. :lol:
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If your child is under the age of 14 then it is the parents responsibility to make sure they have it. With little kiddy winks you have to make sure they have their keys and their lunch money and all the other little things they have to take. What is so different with something as important as their Oyster card?
Whose responsibility is it that they keep it once the parents have given it to them?
If over 14 then they should bloody remember themselves.
Fair enough, but 14yr olds are still kids, and kids will be kids.
Quote by Lilmiss
I don't agree with them throwing kids off a bus who have a genuin reason... but i bet they get endless excuses each and every day.
I just wish they would kick the ones off that i have to sit and listen to 5 days a week on my way home from work.. The behaivour and language is disgusting.
Lil
Another good reason to have these cards is for that purpose. If children's behaviour on the bus is bad, the driver can report said child and a point would be added to their card. 3 points and cards are taken away. This will make the parents responsible to pay for travel. In London each bus you get on costs fall rate.
I do think the cards are a good idea, but have also found innocent children are being punished to.
After talking to friends this is happening a lot, one friends son had to walk 6 miles back from school on his own at aged 11, said he felt like a criminal, when he was ordered off the bus.
This can't be right surely, a slap on the wrist even a name taken down and recorded, and there must be another way to punish them.
This children have just left primary school where they have been taken and picked up most of the time, then to get used to travelling around on buses alone in London is bad enough, but then to have to walk a route they are just getting used to, I think is outright madness.
I have said to my daughter, you won’t forget it again, and yes the nights are still light and she knows the journey home on foot now. But I still think doing what this driver done shouldn’t happen to children that are not even old enough yet to be in the house alone.
I am not ranting at anyone just a rant!
Quote by Theladyisaminx
I don't agree with them throwing kids off a bus who have a genuin reason... but i bet they get endless excuses each and every day.
I just wish they would kick the ones off that i have to sit and listen to 5 days a week on my way home from work.. The behaivour and language is disgusting.
Lil
Another good reason to have these cards is for that purpose. If children's behaviour on the bus is bad, the driver can report said child and a point would be added to their card. 3 points and cards are taken away. This will make the parents responsible to pay for travel. In London each bus you get on costs fall rate.
I do think the cards are a good idea, but have also found innocent children are being punished to.
After talking to friends this is happening a lot, one friends son had to walk 6 miles back from school on his own at aged 11, said he felt like a criminal, when he was ordered off the bus.
This can't be right surely, a slap on the wrist even a name taken down and recorded, and there must be another way to punish them.
This children have just left primary school where they have been taken and picked up most of the time, then to get used to travelling around on buses alone in London is bad enough, but then to have to walk a route they are just getting used to, I think is outright madness.
I have said to my daughter, you won’t forget it again, and yes the nights are still light and she knows the journey home on foot now. But I still think doing what this driver done shouldn’t happen to children that are not even old enough yet to be in the house alone.
I am not ranting at anyone just a rant!
Minxy after chatting to mrs777 this is my take on it.
Oyster cards are not a right they are a means to travel that can be revoked at anytime, due to bad behavour. As far as we know there are no points that go on an Oyster card.
If a child does not behave and say the child does graffiti on the bus, the driver can confiscate the card. If a child does anything bad they can lose the card. and rightly so.
So lets take an example... a child rips a seat and gets caught. The driver confiscates the card, which then renders that card useless. That child no longer has an Oyster card. Move forward the next day and that child goes to get on a bus and says they have lost the card. The driver then lets them om.
Now that card has been revoked for a reason but that child is still allowed to travel for free. Thats not right. The drivers have been told not to let a child on a bus without an Oyster card, for the reason they might not have one, could be that they have had it taken away.
When a child gets on a bus they have to put the card up against something that flashes green if ok, and red if not. If it flashes red, the driver can and often does refuse entry onto the bus. Mrs777's Daughter has said that on the buses she gets onto, every child knows that if they do not have a valid Oyster card, they cannot get on the bus.
However most schools will sub the child the bus fare in a case of an emergancy.
So to clarify if a child does not have their Oyster card, how does the driver know the real reason? It could well be that child has had the card taken away, and on that basis the driver often refuses entry onto the bus.
I tend to disagree with both of the above viewpoints.
Much as I tend to dislike gobby 11 year olds, I dislike slavish and robotic obedience to the powers that be more.
I'm sorry but it just seems to me to be a way of shirking one's own moral responsibilities and common-sense.
And no I wouldn't kick the kid off the bus and the boss can go fuck himself for all I care. If that kid got hurt because I kicked him/her off the bus I couldn't live with myself, and to me that is worth losing my job.
You fellers are obviously different.
Much as I tend to dislike gobby 11 year olds, I dislike slavish and robotic obedience to the powers that be more.
I'm sorry but it just seems to me to be a way of shirking one's own moral responsibilities and common-sense.
And no I wouldn't kick the kid off the bus and the boss can go fuck himself for all I care. If that kid got hurt because I kicked him/her off the bus I couldn't live with myself, and to me that is worth losing my job.
You fellers are obviously different.
Bottom line is the kids KNOW no card no bus ride. I cannot understand what people cannot see in that.
There bloody lucky they get free travel anyway. Would they allow them on the bus with no money? I doubt it.
To stop any problems, make sure ya kiddy winkles have the card when they leave for school.
There bloody lucky they get free travel anyway. Would they allow them on the bus with no money? I doubt it.
To stop any problems, make sure ya kiddy winkles have the card when they leave for school.
Quote by kentswingers777
Bottom line is the kids KNOW no card no bus ride. I cannot understand what people cannot see in that.
There bloody lucky they get free travel anyway. Would they allow them on the bus with no money? I doubt it.
To stop any problems, make sure ya kiddy winkles have the card when they leave for school.
If you want to stick to that and be a jobsworth then feel free, it's your prerogative.
Personally I would rather play safe and give them the benefit of the doubt.
