Just picking up from another thread, something just caused me to ask this question
Can we be taught to manage people?
I was always under the impression that these skills would come naturally.
I have managed people but I have never been taught how to.
I have been taught the job in hand as to pass on my knowledge, I would have thought that is different than being taught to manage.
So can we be taught to do something that doesn’t come naturally?
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Can we be taught to Manage people?
Sex God
When you find out... can you come teach my boss please?
I think duncanlondon summed him up perfectly in another thread! :giggle:
I think duncanlondon summed him up perfectly in another thread! :giggle:
Sex God
sometimes we handle things differently and can be educated in different ways to handle a situation.. is this the same thing .. perhaps.
most skills can be taught and lessons learned from yours or others mistakes its how you intergrate that into managing people and adapting what you do and say to them.
we all cannt get along with everyone and sometime personalities clash its how you handle the difficult situations with the difficult people is where the training comes into its own. i believe that if we dont get along with someone we rely on training not instinct on how to handle that person.
by training i mean either formal education or from a previous experience from a similar situation
most skills can be taught and lessons learned from yours or others mistakes its how you intergrate that into managing people and adapting what you do and say to them.
we all cannt get along with everyone and sometime personalities clash its how you handle the difficult situations with the difficult people is where the training comes into its own. i believe that if we dont get along with someone we rely on training not instinct on how to handle that person.
by training i mean either formal education or from a previous experience from a similar situation
Yes
Or there would be a helluva lot of people out of a job who teach on BSc (Hons) courses that have integrated management or the gurus that have seminars up and down the country.
Are some people natural managers? They may have an inner confidence to take the lead but how to do the job or to get the best out of the people under them is an art to be learnt over time.
It is similar to this common sense nonsense that is bandied about. There is no such thing as common sense. A child does not wake up and have the in built knowledge tha the fire is hot. They either put their hand in the fire and learn by experience that it is hot or they are told by their parent and learn by anothers experience. This becomes a common knowledge. So without being taught or learning yourself, you will never know.
Dave_Notts
Or there would be a helluva lot of people out of a job who teach on BSc (Hons) courses that have integrated management or the gurus that have seminars up and down the country.
Are some people natural managers? They may have an inner confidence to take the lead but how to do the job or to get the best out of the people under them is an art to be learnt over time.
It is similar to this common sense nonsense that is bandied about. There is no such thing as common sense. A child does not wake up and have the in built knowledge tha the fire is hot. They either put their hand in the fire and learn by experience that it is hot or they are told by their parent and learn by anothers experience. This becomes a common knowledge. So without being taught or learning yourself, you will never know.
Dave_Notts
I think most people can be taught, to do almost anything. I think its the same as guiding them in the right direction. I feel that the problem comes in when people are unwilling to be taught/guided.
We have a trainee manager at work, and to be honest hes stuck so far up his own backside that even if you try and explain things to him, he has little or no understanding of, he chooses not to listen and do things his own way. A few times this has caused more problems then there was in the first place. I understand that he has a hell of a lot to learn, and our department is a "specialist" department, and is classed as a skilled trade. However, even though he has no idea about the procedures that we use, and follow, he has no time to actually listen to what they are and go about things his own way. I am not sure if this is trying to teach him something or just trying to pass on info, but in my eyes its the same thing.
We have a trainee manager at work, and to be honest hes stuck so far up his own backside that even if you try and explain things to him, he has little or no understanding of, he chooses not to listen and do things his own way. A few times this has caused more problems then there was in the first place. I understand that he has a hell of a lot to learn, and our department is a "specialist" department, and is classed as a skilled trade. However, even though he has no idea about the procedures that we use, and follow, he has no time to actually listen to what they are and go about things his own way. I am not sure if this is trying to teach him something or just trying to pass on info, but in my eyes its the same thing.
Quote by Sara_2006
sometimes we handle things differently and can be educated in different ways to handle a situation.. is this the same thing .. perhaps.
most skills can be taught and lessons learned from yours or others mistakes its how you intergrate that into managing people and adapting what you do and say to them.
we all cannt get along with everyone and sometime personalities clash its how you handle the difficult situations with the difficult people is where the training comes into its own. i believe that if we dont get along with someone we rely on training not instinct on how to handle that person.
by training i mean either formal education or from a previous experience from a similar situation
Good post
Quote by Dave__Notts
Yes
Or there would be a helluva lot of people out of a job who teach on BSc (Hons) courses that have integrated management or the gurus that have seminars up and down the country.
Are some people natural managers? They may have an inner confidence to take the lead but how to do the job or to get the best out of the people under them is an art to be learnt over time.
It is similar to this common sense nonsense that is bandied about. There is no such thing as common sense. A child does not wake up and have the in built knowledge tha the fire is hot. They either put their hand in the fire and learn by experience that it is hot or they are told by their parent and learn by anothers experience. This becomes a common knowledge. So without being taught or learning yourself, you will never know.
Dave I believe there is such thing as common sense,
Dave_Notts
Dave I see common sense is a mixture of knowledge and expierance.
Dave I see common sense as being independent of specialised training but something that is there from expiernaces and knowledge that is gained from life’s education and that we can draw a judgement from to deal with a situation.
Babies will not have it, as they have no previous experiences or knowledge to draw from, but I would expect adults to have some.
So I can see how it can't be taught, as our expierances and knowledge differ from person to person.
So I do believe in common sense.
Blimey Minx it never ceases to amaze me how efficiently you manage to lift the rocks on the path of my own philosophical musings.
We all learn new skills all the time. In terms of managing people I think we tend to get thrown into the job and expected to pick it up as we go along. Its one of the reasons so many managers are absolutely shit at managing people. The examples provided on the telly don't help matters.
Most of the managers I've observed over the years haven't got a clue.
The problem with training people to manage is that the training offered reflects the culture of the organisation. Shifting an organisation that has a bullying overbearing management style towards inclusive, responsive respectful communication is incredibly difficult.
We all learn new skills all the time. In terms of managing people I think we tend to get thrown into the job and expected to pick it up as we go along. Its one of the reasons so many managers are absolutely shit at managing people. The examples provided on the telly don't help matters.
Most of the managers I've observed over the years haven't got a clue.
The problem with training people to manage is that the training offered reflects the culture of the organisation. Shifting an organisation that has a bullying overbearing management style towards inclusive, responsive respectful communication is incredibly difficult.
I personally believe a manager should like people, you can not teach people that, it is something from within.
If you don’t like people why manage?
I have worked with all types of manager ones of a lower ranking, at the same level, and senior.
I know a lot of managers that don’t like people, but enjoy having the power over them.
So ok you can teach people the job in hand, to pass on to teach others and make sure the job is getting done, but you can’t teach them to manage people.
If you don’t like people why manage?
I have worked with all types of manager ones of a lower ranking, at the same level, and senior.
I know a lot of managers that don’t like people, but enjoy having the power over them.
So ok you can teach people the job in hand, to pass on to teach others and make sure the job is getting done, but you can’t teach them to manage people.
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Dave I see common sense is a mixture of knowledge and expierance.
Agree, thats what I said
Dave I see common sense as being independent of specialised training but something that is there from expiernaces and knowledge that is gained from life’s education and that we can draw a judgement from to deal with a situation.
Agree, thats what I said
Babies will not have it, as they have no previous experiences or knowledge to draw from
Agree, thats what I said
, but I would expect adults to have some.
Now you lost me. If someone has never had an experience or been taught (includes teaching, educating, training, etc) something......how would they ever know?
So I can see how it can't be taught, as our expierances and knowledge differ from person to person.
Lost me again sorry. Are we on about common sense or training for management now?
So I do believe in common sense.
See first "Lost me"
Dave_Notts
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Dave I see common sense is a mixture of knowledge and expierance.
Agree, thats what I said
Dave I see common sense as being independent of specialised training but something that is there from expiernaces and knowledge that is gained from life’s education and that we can draw a judgement from to deal with a situation.
Agree, thats what I said
Babies will not have it, as they have no previous experiences or knowledge to draw from
Agree, thats what I said
, but I would expect adults to have some.
Now you lost me. If someone has never had an experience or been taught (includes teaching, educating, training, etc) something......how would they ever know?
So I can see how it can't be taught, as our expierances and knowledge differ from person to person.
Lost me again sorry
So I do believe in common sense.
See first "Lost me"
Dave_Notts
I am confused now too!
I thought you were saying you did not believe in common sense, sorry I might have mistook what you said and that we might agree lol
I did say I believe most adults should have a degree of common sense, it could be by knowledge taught or own expierances. To have both would give you a greater sense of common sense but as adults we must all surely have some at least.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Dave I see common sense is a mixture of knowledge and expierance.
Agree, thats what I said
Dave I see common sense as being independent of specialised training but something that is there from expiernaces and knowledge that is gained from life’s education and that we can draw a judgement from to deal with a situation.
Agree, thats what I said
Babies will not have it, as they have no previous experiences or knowledge to draw from
Agree, thats what I said
, but I would expect adults to have some.
Now you lost me. If someone has never had an experience or been taught (includes teaching, educating, training, etc) something......how would they ever know?
So I can see how it can't be taught, as our expierances and knowledge differ from person to person.
Lost me again sorry
So I do believe in common sense.
See first "Lost me"
Dave_Notts
I am confused now too!
I thought you were saying you did not believe in common sense, sorry I might have mistook what you said and that we might agree lol
I did say I believe most adults should have a degree of common sense, it could be by knowledge taught or own expierances. To have both would give you a greater sense of common sense but as adults we must all surely have some at least.
I believe there is no such thing as common sense.
An adult IT worker who has had training, education and experience at a work station would be expected to have the "common knowledge" to adjust their workstation and equipment to work efficiently.
This adult now loses their job. They want to set up on their own and decide on being a window cleaner. They have never used a ladder before in their life. Just because they are an adult, should they have a "common knowledge" to carry out this job efficiently?
In my view no. They would need to gain experience and knowledge before they would be able to carry out the job efficiently.
I have found people and especially managers use the term common sense when it was their responsibility to oversee the work and ensure it was done properly. This is their get out clause to blame the employee. They should have done their job right in the first place and imparted the knowledge to the employee to allow them to carry out the work efficiently.
Dave_Notts
Sex God
Common knowledge is just that - knowledge that is commonly available through the population.
That said, the ability to manage people is NOT common knowledge. The opinion that they CAN manage people is sadly common among some people who, frankly, shouldn't be allowed to manage a paper napkin.
Managing people is a skill. It can be taught just like football or playing the piano can be taught. It doesn't mean the person taught can do it effectively. They will also need other skills (like stringing a sentence together, forward thinking, seeing big pictures and many others). And they need to want to do it. Many unfortunately confuse managing people with dominating people.
It breaks down to 2 things - knowledge of management techniques and ability to apply them effectively. You need both.
That said, the ability to manage people is NOT common knowledge. The opinion that they CAN manage people is sadly common among some people who, frankly, shouldn't be allowed to manage a paper napkin.
Managing people is a skill. It can be taught just like football or playing the piano can be taught. It doesn't mean the person taught can do it effectively. They will also need other skills (like stringing a sentence together, forward thinking, seeing big pictures and many others). And they need to want to do it. Many unfortunately confuse managing people with dominating people.
It breaks down to 2 things - knowledge of management techniques and ability to apply them effectively. You need both.
Sex God
I would guess yes , but not to manage people can all be taught to do pretty much anything but to do anything well requires a degree of natural aptitude.
On further reading ......like she said.....oops!! must pay more attention
On further reading ......like she said.....oops!! must pay more attention
Im a manager...of sorts... no, really!
rediculous isnt it eh?
anyhow, Im also currently in a programme of management training... so the theory goes that yes, you can be taught management... I'll also agree with what was said above about 'how it is applied'... the same as any 'skill', it needs to be honed and improved upon through experience.
common sence... the first thing, and the bastard lesson-learned was:there is none... only yours.
sadly sence is only common to some and not all.
thier common sence is buildon different values and experiences.
management... me! rrreally!!!!
oh the humanity
lp
rediculous isnt it eh?
anyhow, Im also currently in a programme of management training... so the theory goes that yes, you can be taught management... I'll also agree with what was said above about 'how it is applied'... the same as any 'skill', it needs to be honed and improved upon through experience.
common sence... the first thing, and the bastard lesson-learned was:there is none... only yours.
sadly sence is only common to some and not all.
thier common sence is buildon different values and experiences.
management... me! rrreally!!!!
oh the humanity
lp
Quote by jaymarand being right all the time too eh?
Yes. I've got a Management Diploma but I have to be honest a lot of it comes down to common sense, maturity and experience as well as being taught.
i know it makes a differnce for me, knowing that, oh yes!
lp
?? you've lost me!
ooops, hope that didnt come across as a personal slight or somesuch?
not intended.
me, being unequivicably right and justified in everything I do... helps a lot, on the management front.
(actually, I'm rubbish, thats why Im hoping that the training does me some good... but all the same... I am right!)
lp
Quote by __random_orbit__and being right all the time too eh?
Yes. I've got a Management Diploma but I have to be honest a lot of it comes down to common sense, maturity and experience as well as being taught.
i know it makes a differnce for me, knowing that, oh yes!
lp
?? you've lost me!
ooops, hope that didnt come across as a personal slight or somesuch?
not intended.
me, being unequivicably right and justified in everything I do... helps a lot, on the management front.
(actually, I'm rubbish, thats why Im hoping that the training does me some good... but all the same... I am right!)
lp
ah right
it did kind of, I was thinking.. and how well do you know me then! 
Can we be taught to manage people?
Yes, we all are. Some are taught in childhood, and do not notice. Some are taught later, some even learn what they are taught, and some put to good use what they are taught.
The truth is we all effect those around us. It is just that some know what that effect is likely to be.
