Myself and Juicy have moved our swinging operation back here after being suspended by another popular site for exposing a massive fake profile scam on there to the owners. Many users of SH are also users there and we would urge caution elsewhere.
Quote by wideeyedand Myself and Juicy have moved our swinging operation back here after being suspended by another popular site for exposing a massive fake profile scam on there to the owners. Many users of SH are also users there and we would urge caution elsewhere.
We never believe much of what is written here, or by the people who write it. We are always cautious with regards to swingers, and that caution I am sure has helped us to have very few bad meets along the way. :thumbup:
Hi guys, I'm sure we're all likely to be thankful for the heads up on any scam, and I would certainly like you to pm me the details. I know it's difficult to post certain things on here, and in public, but maybe there's a way we can let people know.
Quote by skinny Hi guys, I'm sure we're all likely to be thankful for the heads up on any scam, and I would certainly like you to pm me the details. I know it's difficult to post certain things on here, and in public, but maybe there's a way we can let people know.
Quote by Lost Would be fabulous if we could find a way!
No, it's no good Losty. Over my 'ead like an aeroplane fella, were you driving at something there? ;)
Quote by wideeyedand Fabulous is a much overrated word in the context of the site I am talking about!
What would be the point? It's a free site ( assuming I understand Losty's clue correctly? ). Are they gearing up towards commercialising then? I don't use it BTW, I wouldn't know. I expect a flood of PMs from hot and horny women responding to my completely blank single male profile on some of the more dubious pay-sites out there I've ever looked into ( cos that happens aaaaaall the time on swinging sites, doesn't it? :lol: ) but a fake profile scam on a free site doesn't make a lot of sense?
If its the site I think it is, we are on there. I guess there are fake profiles whichever site you join but also genuine people. I did hear of people who would join, arrange meets and the address that they gave was that of an elderly couple who lived across the road from a pub. Some friends of ours were caught out. My guess is that these people got some kind of kick out of watching from the pub. These people would then leave the site and open another profile (using the same pictures) to do the same again. They were reported but the owners said they couldn't do much about it as they couldn't track the IP address or something like that (I'm not very techy). Suppose when it's a free site, these things can happen as you can open as many profiles you want. There are some strange people out there!
Quote by Funlovers2009 If its the site I think it is, we are on there. I guess there are fake profiles whichever site you join but also genuine people. I did hear of people who would join, arrange meets and the address that they gave was that of an elderly couple who lived across the road from a pub. Some friends of ours were caught out. My guess is that these people got some kind of kick out of watching from the pub. These people would then leave the site and open another profile (using the same pictures) to do the same again. They were reported but the owners said they couldn't do much about it as they couldn't track the IP address or something like that (I'm not very techy). Suppose when it's a free site, these things can happen as you can open as many profiles you want. There are some strange people out there!
No, this is far more sinister than a fake profile here and there which I agree is part and parcel of the whole experience. I have traced 72 fake profiles, 14 probable fakes and another 9 suspicious by association which I suspect all emanate from the one source. These are the ones I could establish with the data at my disposal, I would expect there would be more following hidden pointers. Only 16 of the fake profiles found have been suspended. More than half of the suspect profiles have pictures with only 2 of them having common ones. It would follow that the miscreant has collected his picture stock from elsewhere. Deeply disturbing all round!
Quote by Mr-Powers So what did you get suspended for?
"Your account has been permanently suspended because we believe it to the in the best interests of the community." This was after we had sent the owners a strongly worded letter with the details and reminding them of their obligations!
Quote by wideeyedand If its the site I think it is, we are on there. I guess there are fake profiles whichever site you join but also genuine people. I did hear of people who would join, arrange meets and the address that they gave was that of an elderly couple who lived across the road from a pub. Some friends of ours were caught out. My guess is that these people got some kind of kick out of watching from the pub. These people would then leave the site and open another profile (using the same pictures) to do the same again. They were reported but the owners said they couldn't do much about it as they couldn't track the IP address or something like that (I'm not very techy). Suppose when it's a free site, these things can happen as you can open as many profiles you want. There are some strange people out there!
No, this is far more sinister than a fake profile here and there which I agree is part and parcel of the whole experience. I have traced 72 fake profiles, 14 probable fakes and another 9 suspicious by association which I suspect all emanate from the one source. These are the ones I could establish with the data at my disposal, I would expect there would be more following hidden pointers. Only 16 of the fake profiles found have been suspended. More than half of the suspect profiles have pictures with only 2 of them having common ones. It would follow that the miscreant has collected his picture stock from elsewhere. Deeply disturbing all round! Wow! Some people have far too much time on their hands (them not you!). Why would anyone want to produce so many fake profiles? What's to gain?
Quote by wideeyedand So what did you get suspended for?
"Your account has been permanently suspended because we believe it to the in the best interests of the community." This was after we had sent the owners a strongly worded letter with the details and reminding them of their obligations! So do you believe it's all a big cover up and the administrators are in on it as well?
Quote by wideeyedand Myself and Juicy have moved our swinging operation back here after being suspended by another popular site for exposing a massive fake profile scam on there to the owners. Many users of SH are also users there and we would urge caution elsewhere.
:welcome: back. You seem to have realised that it's best to steer well clear of naming and shaming any other swinging sites as it could be your downfall here too. ;) Also, you might want to consider scattering the occasional 'allegedly' into your posts to cover your own backside. :thumbup: (Of course, that's just my humble opinion based on watching too much satirical telly. :lol2
Quote by Funlovers2009 If its the site I think it is, we are on there. I guess there are fake profiles whichever site you join but also genuine people. I did hear of people who would join, arrange meets and the address that they gave was that of an elderly couple who lived across the road from a pub. Some friends of ours were caught out. My guess is that these people got some kind of kick out of watching from the pub. These people would then leave the site and open another profile (using the same pictures) to do the same again. They were reported but the owners said they couldn't do much about it as they couldn't track the IP address or something like that (I'm not very techy). Suppose when it's a free site, these things can happen as you can open as many profiles you want. There are some strange people out there!
No, this is far more sinister than a fake profile here and there which I agree is part and parcel of the whole experience. I have traced 72 fake profiles, 14 probable fakes and another 9 suspicious by association which I suspect all emanate from the one source. These are the ones I could establish with the data at my disposal, I would expect there would be more following hidden pointers. Only 16 of the fake profiles found have been suspended. More than half of the suspect profiles have pictures with only 2 of them having common ones. It would follow that the miscreant has collected his picture stock from elsewhere. Deeply disturbing all round! Wow! Some people have far too much time on their hands (them not you!). Why would anyone want to produce so many fake profiles? What's to gain? Tbh, I have had to make plenty of time, just to follow all of the trails The profile at the top of the pile ran a fake party scam across Nov/Dec which we got stung by. Because of the lack of cooperation from the site I started digging deeper. The breadth of the fake profiles has minded me to believe that there might be more than that to it but don't know what. A number of the profiles have been active on the site in the last week additionally...
Quote by Cubes Myself and Juicy have moved our swinging operation back here after being suspended by another popular site for exposing a massive fake profile scam on there to the owners. Many users of SH are also users there and we would urge caution elsewhere.
:welcome: back. You seem to have realised that it's best to steer well clear of naming and shaming any other swinging sites as it could be your downfall here too. ;) Also, you might want to consider scattering the occasional 'allegedly' into your posts to cover your own backside. :thumbup: (Of course, that's just my humble opinion based on watching too much satirical telly. :lol2 Thanks Cubes. I'm not an allegation kind of guy more the irrefutable type. Everything can be substantiated.
Quote by Cubes Thanks Cubes. I'm not an allegation kind of guy more the irrefutable type. Everything can be substantiated.
Fair enough. Just as long as everyone understands that SH won't let this turn into a witch hunt. ;) Witch hunting is best left to zealots imho Cubes. I am coming from a community information angle and think it is important for people to be aware. Knowledge is good!
We can access all area on said site with the exception of forums, which we have been given a life time ban for putting forward our point of view which didnt agree with a moderator, think the people who run the site need to take a look at some of the sites that have been around for many years and see how it should be done. Julie n Alan (benidorm)
Quote by neilinleeds What would be the point? It's a free site ( assuming I understand Losty's clue correctly? ). Are they gearing up towards commercialising
Your assumption is partially correct Neil, Yes the site in question is free to join and you can use it for free too but it is a commercial site owned by a limited company. It generates revenue from 2 streams, advertising and a "site supporter" package. Any one who rocks the boat or frightens the punters doesn't seem to last long. The scam in question could have been perpetrated on any site even this one. It just happens they chose to use the other "popular" site. The fact it's "free" just makes it easier to re-invent themselves and do it all over again.
Quote by tricky-dicky What would be the point? It's a free site ( assuming I understand Losty's clue correctly? ). Are they gearing up towards commercialising
Your assumption is partially correct Neil, Yes the site in question is free to join and you can use it for free too but it is a commercial site owned by a limited company. It generates revenue from 2 streams, advertising and a "site supporter" package. Any one who rocks the boat or frightens the punters doesn't seem to last long. The scam in question could have been perpetrated on any site even this one. It just happens they chose to use the other "popular" site. The fact it's "free" just makes it easier to re-invent themselves and do it all over again. Agreed Tricky, it could just as easily be played out here using the same system. It would be more difficult but perfectly feasible. I have had a sweep around as would expect it to pop up in some form on any equivalent site and haven't seen any of the signatures. Bottom line is never pay anything up-front however sound the mechanism looks.
Thought it might be helpful to post an update about this as the party season fast approaches and it looks like all is in place on the other site to clean up again. The vast majority of the fake supporting profiles are still active and have all been accessed sometime recently with many showing new pictures. A number of new profiles have been set up in the past year to replace the ones that had been removed and all used for fake cross verifications both ways with existing. Before, the locations of the fake profiles were spread around the country. Now, most have been changed to show a location somewhere in Scotland. This would lead to believe that they are planning to run a scam there. They are smart and would expect they might be looking at changing the front end scam in some way to keep under the radar. But, on the other hand, as they say, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Would advise all users of the other site to be extra vigilant and, trying to avoid stereotyping, all Scottish users to keep their money in their pockets.
Quote by DirtynSquirty If its the site I think it is, we are on there. I guess there are fake profiles whichever site you join but also genuine people. I did hear of people who would join, arrange meets and the address that they gave was that of an elderly couple who lived across the road from a pub. Some friends of ours were caught out. My guess is that these people got some kind of kick out of watching from the pub. These people would then leave the site and open another profile (using the same pictures) to do the same again. They were reported but the owners said they couldn't do much about it as they couldn't track the IP address or something like that (I'm not very techy). Suppose when it's a free site, these things can happen as you can open as many profiles you want. There are some strange people out there!
No, this is far more sinister than a fake profile here and there which I agree is part and parcel of the whole experience. I have traced 72 fake profiles, 14 probable fakes and another 9 suspicious by association which I suspect all emanate from the one source. These are the ones I could establish with the data at my disposal, I would expect there would be more following hidden pointers. Only 16 of the fake profiles found have been suspended. More than half of the suspect profiles have pictures with only 2 of them having common ones. It would follow that the miscreant has collected his picture stock from elsewhere. Deeply disturbing all round! Wow! Some people have far too much time on their hands (them not you!). Why would anyone want to produce so many fake profiles? What's to gain? Tbh, I have had to make plenty of time, just to follow all of the trails The profile at the top of the pile ran a fake party scam across Nov/Dec which we got stung by. Because of the lack of cooperation from the site I started digging deeper. The breadth of the fake profiles has minded me to believe that there might be more than that to it but don't know what. A number of the profiles have been active on the site in the last week additionally...
Do you know, I've never even considered this to be an issue. I have regularly used dating sites over the years and I knew that this 'Fake profile' thing was an issue there, But on the swingers sites too? Maybe that's my own naivety I guess. It stands to reason I suppose. Id used dating sites on and off and you can generally detect fake profiles at various points along the way, and if need be, swerve it. But to think this may have been going on on the swinging forums too? God only knows how many hours I've wasted chatting with fake people over the 8+ years I've been online!! I'm sure though, that most have been genuine, and some I definitely KNOW to be genuine :rascal: But it does make you wonder doesn't it. Mmmmmm ::undecided:
i did some looking into how one adult dating/swinging network actually operated. this company has many so called sites covering all areas of adult interest and most of these sites offer a free 30 day introduction period where you can chat,browse profiles and of course send mail. the thing you notice about all the sites is that in your 30 days you will get hardly any interest at all then once your 30 days are up out of the blue the most attractive women only miles down the road will start messaging you and your personal email box will be overloaded with links to the mail. but you can only access them once you hand over the cash. and thats the trick and they know plenty of men will hand over the cash at that point,but once you do your done for. because you never get a reply from the so called interested ladies who mailed you before as they are generated bots to bring you back to the site and make you part with the money. this company advertises one of its site on tv late at night and also will appear all over the place on website pop ups. ladies get all the sites features for free yet couples and males pay full price. as for the other 'free' site i think your on about i also got a lifetime ban from the forum as i went up against a friend of a mod and they didnt like hearing the truth. best forgotten about to be honest as ive done better since.
Quote by Albagman We can access all area on said site with the exception of forums, which we have been given a life time ban for putting forward our point of view which didnt agree with a moderator, think the people who run the site need to take a look at some of the sites that have been around for many years and see how it should be done. Julie n Alan (benidorm)
The problem with that Site is that moderation is reactive after complaints and if, in the forums, you antagonise people they can effectively get you banned by posting multiple complaints about your postings. It is absolutely ok on that site to post offensive, abusive and racist comments about the outside world but if you question the motives of the poster and enough people complain about your post... You, not the cretin, gets banned.
What is the scam ? You surely cant break any rules by pointing out scams in the world, you don't have to name, names or sites, but you can warn people what to be wary of. For example I heard about a party, cant even remember what site it was on I am a member of loads. People sent (yes they did) deposits to attend the party, the party was then cancelled and a new date put forward, those that could not make the second date asked for a refund and got no reply, the second date was subsequently cancelled and the profile that organised the party closed. The most basic of scams I thought, I certainly wouldn't send a deposit to someone simply advertising a party, personally I wouldn't pay more than a tenner to go to a private party at a house, why would anyone want more, yes something to cover damage or wear n tear might be in order, but unlike clubs, they don't have insurance, income tax, adult venue tax, staff wages, rates and the like to pay so they don't need the same entrance fee as clubs to. Also going to a private party is legal, going to a "private party" where you pay an entrance fee in any format means that it comes under all sorts of laws and regulations. I can get in my local club for a tenner on a Friday or £25 on a Saturday with all its facilities, most house parties have very few facilities. If I have an accident at a club that was not my fault but the fault of the club I am insured under the club insurance, I can live without that at a free private party but if I am paying I want to be covered. Clubs are safer, their hygiene is inspected, fire checks are carried out and so on, that is why I am willing to pay to go in them. Finally how do we know that this post is not the scam, in that it could be this site trying to deter people from other sites, not for one second suggesting that this is the case and I believe the opposite, but if we are talking about scams ......... I know one club that uses such tactics to stop people going to a club nearby, it is quite common in business, even British Airways got fined big time for such a scam.
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