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Quote by Freckledbird
... the government's insistence on adoption agencies accepting all sorts of partnerships as suitable - and therefore forcing the catholic adoption agency out of business...

How has it put the Catholic adoption agency out of 'business' ?
As I understand it, the government is saying that if the catholic adoption agency wishes to continue it must be prepared to place children with same sex couples, and that if it won't agree to that it cannot continue ... presumably it has a licence and this would be withdrawn.
Ahhhh, I see - thanks!
Would same-sex couples necessarily want to adopt a Catholic child though - isn't homosexuality 'wrong' in the eyes of the Catholic church? The religion of the child's birth parents would be immaterial after adoption - presumably the child would be raised with the beliefs of the adoptive parents?
Does the Catholic adoption agency only deal with Catholic-born children?
Apologies if this offends anyone; it isn't intended to, I am just asking.
I don't know the answers to the latest questions Darkfire and FB, but having been raised as a female that was expected to get married to a nice man and have 2.4 children I can't say that those pressures/expectations affected my sexuality or gender indentity in a positive way, just made me feel suicidal and like a freak!
I'm no specialist and I'm only talking about personal views here, although I don't know if allowing a female to dress as a male at that age is a good or a bad thing. But could it be more harmful than forcing him/her into a very uncomfortable place with the view that they can sort it out when they are older. Any damage would already be done. Who can say?
Everything about myself inside is and always has felt male to me, ever since I can remember.
November 1995, vol 378: 6552, pp. 68-70: 'a female brain structure in genetically male transsexuals supports the hypothesis that gender identity develops as a result of an interaction between the developing brain and sex hormones'

I'm not sure how much of gender has to do with brain biology but it's something I'm very intersted in. Many of you know I have Aspergers Syndrome and all the latest theories surrounding it are that "It's and extreme for of the male brain". Great! That's why I am desperate to have a deep voice and a beard. lol
Anyway I digress... not all women with Aspergers feel so strongly they are actually men and need to do something about it, but a huge majority of Female-2-Male transsexuals have Aspergers.
Where am I going with this? Oh yes.. Aspergers is genetic, hereditary and can be seen on a brain scan due to the different biology in the brain of a person with AS. I wanted to keep my brain scans to make some sort of pop-art out of but I wasn’t allowed. :lol:
I am sure my gender is very tied in with my AS and my AS is biological, therefore my gender was pre-determined at birth.
(That's what I think at the moment anyway!).
I would imagine that many apprehensions about a child being adopted and raised by same sex parents stem from the anticipation of problems in the social groups (away from the home and out of the loving parents control) during the child’s school years… i.e. they can imagine a child being taunted and segregated by other children at some point.
As fellow classmates learn to understand the traditional family is constructed of mummy and daddy (even if mummy and daddy don’t live together anymore and daddy is now shacked up with the 24 year old who worked at the chip shop) there are bound to be questions as to why little Sally has two mummies/daddies.
Then children develop and become a little aware of sexuality and understand that mummy and daddy had…… sex :shock: . “How did your parents do that Sally?”
Before you know it the pulling of pigtails has progressed to holding hands and again the majority of children in the school yard will have been raised in a home environment where boys like girls and girls like boys (and Steven’s mummy seems to know a lot of ‘uncles’). Children can be creatures of such extremes. Either totally accepting without question or expressing their naivety, prejudice and ignorance (and the prejudices of their parents) in the most vocal of ways… “Sally’s parents are faggots!” “Don’t go round to Sally’s house, my dad says it’s not safe to be around queers!”
Of course there will come a point later when it is cool to have gay parents and all Sally’s mates wish they had gay parents as they hate their own (because they just don’t understand and constantly try to cramp their individuality and won’t buy them the new brand of trainers everyone else seems to have “it’s so unfair!”) – but that is the fickle nature of puberty and adolescence I guess.
Is it wrong for people to be apprehensive of the potential problems, bullying, torment, social exclusion a child raised by same sex parents may face during their school year – the most important part of their life in terms of discovering who they are and building the social skills to carry them thought life.
Is it wrong for people to be concerned about what a child may be subjected to by other children - especially when you think of how many stories you have read where victims of severe and persistent bullying have stated how it has affected them long into their adult life?
I don’t think it is wrong to be concerned about such things.
I feel it is pretty naive to ignore the fact that no matter what the parents do – at some point the child will come face to face with prejudice from peers and elders.
Concerns only exist until solutions are made clear!
To balance things though, it is worth remembering children can be born into a ‘traditional’ family unit and still go through all that same degrees of torment for being short/fat/tall/having a lisp/being ginger/being too hairy/having a big nose and any other reason you care to think of. The only difference is…. you don’t anticipate those problems when you see a baby with a proud mum and dad taking baby for a stroll in the pram on the park.
So in summary:
It doesn’t always mean people think same sex parenting is wrong because they have concerns as for what is best for a child – it can mean they are looking for reassurances and solutions to make it feel right.
Pololady, fancy a shag ? dunno
rotflmao :rotflmao:
ok, so it was a good post but you'd hate it if I came in and said ':thumbup: worship great post Polo!' lol
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ok, so it was a good post but you'd hate it if I came in and said ':thumbup: worship great post Polo!' lol

Make ya mind up - was it good or great :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote by PoloLady
I don’t think it is wrong to be concerned about such things.
I feel it is pretty naive to ignore the fact that no matter what the parents do – at some point the child will come face to face with prejudice from peers and elders.
Concerns only exist until solutions are made clear!
To balance things though, it is worth remembering children can be born into a ‘traditional’ family unit and still go through all that same degrees of torment for being short/fat/tall/having a lisp/being ginger/being too hairy/having a big nose and any other reason you care to think of. The only difference is…. you don’t anticipate those problems when you see a baby with a proud mum and dad taking baby for a stroll in the pram on the park.
So in summary:
It doesn’t always mean people think same sex parenting is wrong because they have concerns as for what is best for a child – it can mean they are looking for reassurances and solutions to make it feel right.

Great post :thumbup:
The problems may not be anticipated for the 2.4 family, but, does that then make them less prepared for prejudice?
Digressing slightly, there was once a time that disabled people were put in institutions (not just mentally but physical disabilities also) If a disabled woman got pregnant, the child was taken away from them as they were not considered the "norm".
Now, as parents, I would say disabilities were more accepted and in some ways this has been forced on society - all for the good i would say, but if people think back, the problems are the same questions that are being raised here.
I have a sister who is disabled and is now also a single mum, personally, i would say that her child has faced all the prejudices and questions thrown at him very well, because he was well prepared for it. As has been said, as a 2.4 hetero family, i did not prepare my children as well for bullying as i did not expect it so much confused
(When she mentioned children, the whole family including myself said "No", not just because of her disabilities, but the problems her child could face and also the health risks to herself - Thank God she did not listen to us, if we were to lose her tomorrow, that little boy has made her so happy and he is a gift to us all)
As previously stated, its down to the individual parents, be they hetero, single, gay or disabled. If they are balanced, not bitter about their lot and are able to share their life with love and respect, then who are we to question ! wink
This is a subject close to mine and my sons' life. He knows that I am now bi. But has been raised by me in two, long term same sex relationships. (I am now definately single)
I copied and pasted several posts from this forum and asked him to respond to what was written.
in his words. (he isn't, obviously, objective he is my son afterall) So you can do whatever you like with what he has written.
"Well, I have been bullied. But it wasn’t because my mum is gay (now bi) Other kids get bullied for all sorts of reasons. I am not damaged, I am a lucky kid cause I am the son of a lesbian/bi. It gives me a whole new perspective on life and doesn’t restrict me or my friendships. It stops me from being ignorant and homophobic like many of the adults I have met and seen on TV.
I wouldn’t choose any other upbringing or family and wouldn’t even wish to have it different."

splendid
Quote by splendid_
you can do whatever you like with what he has written.
"Well, I have been bullied. But it wasn’t because my mum is gay (now bi) Other kids get bullied for all sorts of reasons. I am not damaged, I am a lucky kid cause I am the son of a lesbian/bi. It gives me a whole new perspective on life and doesn’t restrict me or my friendships. It stops me from being ignorant and homophobic like many of the adults I have met and seen on TV.
I wouldn’t choose any other upbringing or family and wouldn’t even wish to have it different."
splendid

Blow it up and laminate that one splendid - Proud moment captured forever worship God, I love kids' biggrin :thumbup:
Now, im off to the pink fluffy corner lol bolt
Quote by Juniper_couple
(When she mentioned children, the whole family including myself said "No", not just because of her disabilities, but the problems her child could face and also the health risks to herself - Thank God she did not listen to us, if we were to lose her tomorrow, that little boy has made her so happy and he is a gift to us all)

That gave me goosebumps, J. Mixture of sad and smile
Quote by PoloLady
I would imagine that many apprehensions about a child being adopted and raised by same sex parents stem from the anticipation of problems in the social groups (away from the home and out of the loving parents control) during the child’s school years… i.e. they can imagine a child being taunted and segregated by other children at some point.
As fellow classmates learn to understand the traditional family is constructed of mummy and daddy (even if mummy and daddy don’t live together anymore and daddy is now shacked up with the 24 year old who worked at the chip shop) there are bound to be questions as to why little Sally has two mummies/daddies.
Then children develop and become a little aware of sexuality and understand that mummy and daddy had…… sex :shock: . “How did your parents do that Sally?”
Before you know it the pulling of pigtails has progressed to holding hands and again the majority of children in the school yard will have been raised in a home environment where boys like girls and girls like boys (and Steven’s mummy seems to know a lot of ‘uncles’). Children can be creatures of such extremes. Either totally accepting without question or expressing their naivety, prejudice and ignorance (and the prejudices of their parents) in the most vocal of ways… “Sally’s parents are faggots!” “Don’t go round to Sally’s house, my dad says it’s not safe to be around queers!”
Of course there will come a point later when it is cool to have gay parents and all Sally’s mates wish they had gay parents as they hate their own (because they just don’t understand and constantly try to cramp their individuality and won’t buy them the new brand of trainers everyone else seems to have “it’s so unfair!”) – but that is the fickle nature of puberty and adolescence I guess.
Is it wrong for people to be apprehensive of the potential problems, bullying, torment, social exclusion a child raised by same sex parents may face during their school year – the most important part of their life in terms of discovering who they are and building the social skills to carry them thought life.
Is it wrong for people to be concerned about what a child may be subjected to by other children - especially when you think of how many stories you have read where victims of severe and persistent bullying have stated how it has affected them long into their adult life?
I don’t think it is wrong to be concerned about such things.
I feel it is pretty naive to ignore the fact that no matter what the parents do – at some point the child will come face to face with prejudice from peers and elders.
Concerns only exist until solutions are made clear!
To balance things though, it is worth remembering children can be born into a ‘traditional’ family unit and still go through all that same degrees of torment for being short/fat/tall/having a lisp/being ginger/being too hairy/having a big nose and any other reason you care to think of. The only difference is…. you don’t anticipate those problems when you see a baby with a proud mum and dad taking baby for a stroll in the pram on the park.
So in summary:
It doesn’t always mean people think same sex parenting is wrong because they have concerns as for what is best for a child – it can mean they are looking for reassurances and solutions to make it feel right.

as someone said earlier good post :thumbup:
and splendid, good post, good points :thumbup: well balanced child you have their he is a credit to you and you to him. (not an arse kiss btw folks just an opinion)
In edit> there has been some great posts on this topic on here, i know we all have our differences of opinion and points of view, but its good that we can all come on here and exchange them and maybe gain new insights and form new opinions based on what others have said. Fook this im getting all mushy, going to the photo ads to be a real man and do some pervin' lol
Just read in the paper today that the Indian Gov, is relaxing the rules on Westerners adopting Indian orphans, ie will be a quicker process.
However, while the Indian Gov will allow single people to apply to adopt, they will not allow same sex couples.
John & Shel