A new munch has been posted on Let's Meet Up that specifically states that there is an entrance fee of £3..... is this adhering to the Swinging Heaven philosophy of a non-profit making event???.... even so, if the proceeds are going to charity, is it up to the individual to determine whether they want to contribute?? A strict Entrance Fee policy removes the individual's right to decide whether they want to contribute or not???? ... or does it....... If someone takes it upon themselves to organise a munch is it not their responsiblity to pay for all costs incurred???
Quote by Wishmaster If someone takes it upon themselves to organise a munch is it not their responsiblity to pay for all costs incurred???
So you're saying the key to an inexpensive life is to let someone else do all the work? Real life isn't like that unless you're an assylum seeker. ;) DB indicated that the more people attending, the lower the cost would be per person. That suggests to me that the organisers are having to fork out money up front for the hire of the venue and that will be recouped on a pro rata basis. There is no suggestion of a profit motive and I am certain that profit is not the intention. The way I read it, all that's being asked is that people contribute a fair share of the costs. I don't see any problem with this. Ice
wishmaster your real isnt scrooge by any chance? or do you just expect that everything in life should be free? yes if someone organises an event thats up to them but i see no reason why they should end up out of pocket,would you? per person is a very very cheap entrance fee my god there are some flucking tight arses on here
I think people who organise munches take on enough without having to pay for a venue and maybe buffet etc etc... A "Fee" of £3 is a paltry amount to pay for just being aable to turn up IMHO... I would have no problem in paying that amount........
We were very lucky for the Notss Munch we found a venue that we only had to put a deposit down which we got back on the night. The only personal cost to us was the £10 for the late licence and we thought it was money well spent For those who want to organise these things and can only do it at a small cost to the peeps coming then good for the best and cheapest night out you could get anywhere :D :D :D We had a whip round for the doorman and the DJ's and im sure people put more money in than £3 each,not bad really!!
£3 is a very small amount to pay for an event whatever it is. We personally do not see anything wrong with that and would be happy to pay it. Just because there is an entrance fee does not necessarily mean that the organiser is making profit. Also its not compulsory to attend the particular munch your refering to, so it really is up to you if you want to pay it. As it is only £3, its a small price to pay to be amoung friends
your advert says you are prepared to travel long distance for right people. so do you think is to much to pay to meet nice people. or would you prefer to spend on petrol to travel a long distance. so go to munch spend and then donate £10 and you will still be in pocket. what can u get for nowdays best you will spend cause you will have freinds forever
I certainly agree with the sentiments expressed above - the ones that say that a small cover charge for hire of venue is absolutely fine - these things cost money. However, I also seem to remember that plans by a certain lovely Teesside lass to organise a munch in her home area earlier last year were stopped by the mods when a cover charge was planned - she was told she couldn't call it a munch, nor could she publicise it in here, I seem to recall. So I suspect things are not quite set in stone in this area, and some confusion is bound to occur. Mike.
Jeez Wishy :shock: and they say us Scots are tight assed ;) :lol: These organisers are having to pay for function rooms..buffet ,ect. for everyone's enjoyment and benefit why should they be out of pocket? the monies they are asking for a meezly £3 and they are making no profit whatsoever from it..anything left goes to charity !! Lucyxxxxxxx
I have no problems with contributing towards expenses for a munch. It certainly isn't fair to allow the organiser to bear the costs of your night out! £3 is a miniscule amount of money, you pay more to go in most nightclubs and there you won't be in a whole room of friends!
I don`t think Wishmaster was taking umbrage to the amount, just that there was one, and that he felt that this in conflict with the site ettiquette. We all know three quid is not a lot of money! Venusxxx
We,d have no probs paying an entrance fee, the wigan mini munch was so enjoyable Frogster had a whip round for naughty wigan couple and friends and everybody gave generously,
Nothing is for nothing in this world, there are no free rides. You go into a nightclub and think nothing of paying more than three quid for a drink. Not to mention the entrance fee, if you are a fella. So why are you bitching about the cost, when you know the night will exceed all your expectations.
I believe the site etiquette about not charging an entrance fee for a munch is to prevent commercial entrepeneurs from abusing the site and it's members. Asking for a donation (which I recall DeniseBabes and Mr_D did) to cover costs is not a breach of this etiquette, but purely recouping personal costs.
You've all missed my point completely. The question was not wouldI pay but shouldI pay. This is supposed to be a non-profit generating website, I've been to several munches b4 and I have not had to pay an entrance fee. I just want to know where it stops : £5, £10 .... £50???? What's the policy on charging entrance fees at munches? Thanks Libra babes. I responded before reading your reply..
Quote by Wishmaster You've all missed my point completely. The question was not would I pay but should I pay. This is supposed to be a non-profit generating website, I've been to several munches b4 and I have not had to pay an entrance fee. I just want to know where it stops : £5, £10 .... £50???? What's the policy on charging entrance fees at munches? Thanks Libra babes. I responded before reading your reply..
I think you have slightly, but not completely, missed the point too Wishmaster. The site itself has nothing to do with organising and running munches, it is mearly a platform for communication. A munch is organised by an individual, and it is each individuals choice about whether to attend. The policy on advertising swinging events is designed to prevent commercially motivated organisers using the site to promote profit making events.
Quote by wishmaster If someone takes it upon themselves to organise a munch is it not their responsiblity to pay for all costs incurred???
Quote by DeniseBabe As we stated for the first munch there would be an entrance fee of around £5, this infact dropped to £3, so now we have dropped this one to £3 and are hoping it will be less on the actual night. We are not in anyway making a profit on the night and will once again show a full break down of monies spent and then donate any overflow to a worthwile cause.
Personally I reckon its right and fair you ask people to share the costs, I dont see people moaning about spending out £40 for a membership for a year to a club and then £15-25 a throw to get in, and thats not even to be amongst friends from SH where they know they will be having a great time. I aint working, the upcoming Leicester munch is taking a big chunk of my fortnights income, so what, I am going to have a great time amongst people who I am respecting and liking more each passing day.
Quote by KitKat You've all missed my point completely. The question was not would I pay but should I pay. This is supposed to be a non-profit generating website, I've been to several munches b4 and I have not had to pay an entrance fee. I just want to know where it stops : £5, £10 .... £50???? What's the policy on charging entrance fees at munches? Thanks Libra babes. I responded before reading your reply..
I think you have slightly, but not completely, missed the point too Wishmaster. The site itself has nothing to do with organising and running munches, it is mearly a platform for communication. A munch is organised by an individual, and it is each individuals choice about whether to attend. The policy on advertising swinging events is designed to prevent commercially motivated organisers using the site to promote profit making events.
Quote by wishmaster If someone takes it upon themselves to organise a munch is it not their responsiblity to pay for all costs incurred???
No. lhk Kat I beg to differ KitKat... As organiser of the former Herts/Beds Munch I was told by forum mods in here that I could not close the munch list to single guys and keep the 'Munch' tag and therefore had to re-classify it as a private party (FOR WHICH CONSIDERABLE EXPENSE HAS BEEN INCURRED AND NO CHARGES ARE PLANNED TO RECOUP THIS). So to say that the site has nothing to do with running and organising munches is not quite true is it?
Wishmaster, the forum is kinda responsible for defining what a munch is for people who are new to the scene, as the main subject of the site is Swinging, and providing correct information to that end. If someone organises an event which does not meet this classification, then as site moderators they have to act accordingly to help clear up any confusion. The definition of a munch, as far as I remember, is a social only interaction of likeminded liberated people regardless of gender or status. Venusxxx
But if I have a party for my birthday, I wouldn't expect people to pay to come, because I would only invite people who i wanted there. That's what you've said by limiting the number of single guys. A munch is organised by someone who might not necessarily want to meet all the people attending. It's to facilitate the meeting of like minded adults in a non-pressurised environment. Put another way, if you were having a party at home, you might ask people to 'bring a bottle'; isn't that the amounting to the same as asking for a contribution to costs at a munch? Bev xx
Quote by Wishmaster I beg to differ KitKat... As organiser of the former Herts/Beds Munch I was told by forum mods in here that I could not close the munch list to single guys and keep the 'Munch' tag and therefore had to re-classify it as a private party (FOR WHICH CONSIDERABLE EXPENSE HAS BEEN INCURRED AND NO CHARGES ARE PLANNED TO RECOUP THIS).
Sorry I don't get it How can closing the list to single guys and re-classifying as a private party have incurred expenses? Surely if the list is closed to more people, there would be less people = less expense? :dunno: Besides if you are restricting the amount of single guys for whatever reason, this is not a true munch where everyone is welcome, regardless of their sex or status as either single's or couples Tracy-Jayne
Quote by MikeNorth I certainly agree with the sentiments expressed above - the ones that say that a small cover charge for hire of venue is absolutely fine - these things cost money. However, I also seem to remember that plans by a certain lovely Teesside lass to organise a munch in her home area earlier last year were stopped by the mods when a cover charge was planned - she was told she couldn't call it a munch, nor could she publicise it in here, I seem to recall.
I am fairly skint, but to object to paying a reasonable charge is just silly. If someone is prepared to put in the effort to organise a Munch, & wishes to charge a fee I have no problem with that. Like Mike I attended the Teeside "Social" & the fact that it couldn't be called a Munch was absurd. And the organiser is totally gorgeous :P . If commercial operators are abusing the site, then they can be kicked off. If someone tries to charge a lot for a Munch, then perhaps no-one will attend it. Problems solved .
Although we've not attended either a 'munch' or 'party' yet, we feel we wouldn't ever dream of attending either without contributing something to the cost of the event. Whether thats by way a donation on the night, a reasonable charge up front, or just a bottle of something bubbly as a thank you. We like to think we would be wise enough enough to make a calculated decision on what would be deemed to us as 'reasonable' though, and if we deemed that to be too much would question whether the cost has indeed been calculated on the hope that at the end of the night the organizer(s) would end up with a bulging pocket - and not caused by anything that occured 'in' the party ;) We basically dont mind paying, but would have to judge every 'get-together' on its own merits. On the subject of single guys though, we would prefer not to see a lists longer than that for couples. Otherwise, you may be in need of a new 'party' title, ie: gang bang! However, we were assuming from posts on SH that a munch was nothing other than a sex-free gathering of all who wish from SH, regardless of sex / status, ie: the more the merrier to put faces to avatars so-to-speak. If that is still the case, then we look forward to our first
As organiser of the former Herts/Beds Munch I was told by forum mods in here that I could not close the munch list to single guys and keep the 'Munch' tag and therefore had to re-classify it as a private party (FOR WHICH CONSIDERABLE EXPENSE HAS BEEN INCURRED AND NO CHARGES ARE PLANNED TO RECOUP THIS). So to say that the site has nothing to do with running and organising munches is not quite true is it?
Nobody on this site had any power to prevent you closing the list to single guys, or make any other arrangments, including charging, that you chose to apply. As I said, the site serves only as a communications platform. From what you have said here, the only restriction that was placed on you was how you could communicate your plans to others. The 'policy' is implemented in such a way that it prevents commercially motivated events from exploiting the SH 'munch concept' whilst ensuring it is not become a punitive barrier which would be so difficult to overcome the whole concept of munches would die a death. lhk Kat
We seem to be confusing two issues................ This site will not allow profit making activities to be advertised in the forums. If a person is organising a munch and there is a charge for the function room/DJ etc then I think it's totally unreasonable to expect the organiser to foot the bill on their own. As long as it's made clear at the beginning what the cost is likely to be and what it's for then I would be perfectly happy to see it advertised. What we don't want to see is club & pub owners thinking "wow, that looks like a good idea to get some cash in, let's organise one here". There's a big difference between a private individual organising a munch in a commercial establishment and a commercial establishment trying to line their own pockets. We also won't allow individuals to advertise an event with a cover charge where they are expecting to make a profit. If the cost can't be reasonably explained as a cost then it doesn't get advertised. As for a munch......................A munch is regarded as non-exclusive as far as gender, colour or creed are concerned. Once you start putting exclusions on the people invited it is regarded as being a private party not a munch. We don't have any problems with people advertising private parties at all, there are plenty of them organised in the forums all the time. We accept that there may be limitations on numbers etc at a munch but the basic principle is that they are non-exclusive for the regular site users. Steve
Quote by HungryP I certainly agree with the sentiments expressed above - the ones that say that a small cover charge for hire of venue is absolutely fine - these things cost money. However, I also seem to remember that plans by a certain lovely Teesside lass to organise a munch in her home area earlier last year were stopped by the mods when a cover charge was planned - she was told she couldn't call it a munch, nor could she publicise it in here, I seem to recall.
. Like Mike I attended the Teeside "Social" & the fact that it couldn't be called a Munch was absurd. And the organiser is totally gorgeous :P .
Hungry p, the attempted Teeside munch I was referring to was not the one you and I attended in December, but a previous attempt to organise one earlier last year, around May-June time. Mike.
Quote by MikeNorth I certainly agree with the sentiments expressed above - the ones that say that a small cover charge for hire of venue is absolutely fine - these things cost money. However, I also seem to remember that plans by a certain lovely Teesside lass to organise a munch in her home area earlier last year were stopped by the mods when a cover charge was planned - she was told she couldn't call it a munch, nor could she publicise it in here, I seem to recall.
. Like Mike I attended the Teeside "Social" & the fact that it couldn't be called a Munch was absurd. And the organiser is totally gorgeous :P .
Hungry p, the attempted Teeside munch I was referring to was not the one you and I attended in December, but a previous attempt to organise one earlier last year, around May-June time. Mike. I remember that the previous attempt at a NE munch was going to be arranged in a swingers club..............hardly a neutral environment for a newbie so we asked for it to be changed to a private party. The collapse of the event had nothing to do with the way it was advertised but was at the request of the organisers who decided that they'd kinda jumped in at the deep end.. Steve
Thanks for the clarification Steve.... which was what I asked for in the first place. I don't have a problem paying an admittance fee if the organiser/s are going to be out of pocket, I just wanted to know what SH's official stance on it was.
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