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Climate change- fact or fiction?

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Carbon foot print.
It seems that no matter how much we reduce the power we use for all the things we need power for, someone comes up with something new that needs power; TV, video, etc.
In the end there is only two ways to reduce carbon release:
dump all forms of technology,
reduce the number of humans.
There is no way anyone will go back to hunting and gathering without fire. That just leaves reducing the number of humans. In the past the human race has made several attempts, the Nazis being the most highly successful. There remains only one human way to reduce human pressure on the Earth's resources. reduce the birth rate. Only China is attempting this. It is time to follow the lead of the central kingdom.
Still think the answer I gave my mother when I was younger is the best one.
She gave me a row for spraying air freshener like crazy one day by saying "hoi stop spraying so much of that, you will cause the hole in the ozone layer to get bigger"
My answer "but I'm in the house"
One slapped ear later I knew better confused
Read the OPPOSING viewpoint, not the IPCC (attention-seeking, grant-hogging and biased-without-honesty):
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Read the OPPOSING viewpoint, not the IPCC (attention-seeking, grant-hogging and biased-without-honesty):

Very interesting read
Dave_Notts
Mo' cynicism fo' yo' bo' !
if greenhouse gases are bad for the environment then why dont they ban greenhouse's confused:
if climate changing is so bad then why dont the government ban people sending out pointless junk mail or at least make it smaller, I have a paper recycle bin and its always full every 2 weeks of junk mail :!:
I think if the government was that bothered then they would cut out a load of stuff that wasnt nesseary instead of green taxing the things that are :!:
I remember the summer of 76, as being a 'real' summer. The most recent was in 2005, I think. The rest of the time its been the typical British summer we all know.
Global warming doesn't mean much to anyone as they only recognise what is happening to them, in their own country and immediate climatic environment.
Its almost like the butterfly effect. If a dozen office workers in Manhatten pop out for a quick fag break, you can bet that an iceberg in Russia will melt by tea time.

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As you have pointed out st3v3, pollution and consetrvation of resourses ia another matter and we should make an effort there, but what gets my goat is the blame is soley put onto the individual. It is entirely our fault for leaving the tv on standby, whereas industries contribution to pollution overshaddows the combind individual contribution by a significant ammount, but that doesn't stop them and we will continue to be blamed!

Oh dear.
The whole point of the climate change furore is to get things done before people realise that they've been conned, big time.
As many, many, climate change supporters have said in the past, and will say in the future: "just because the science is flawed and the data inaccurate does not mean we should pass the opportunity to use it for social change"
The idea is to change US before we realise that it is happening.
Never forget, politicians are ALL liars, FULL TIME liars as well. Trace the background of the ipcc scientists and you realise that many are not even experts in climate, or any science related to it.
Climate change is controlled primarily by cyclical eccentricities in Earth's rotation and orbit, as well as variations in the sun's energy output.
"Greenhouse gases" in Earth's atmosphere also influence Earth's temperature, but in a much smaller way. Human additions to total greenhouse gases play a still smaller role, contributing about 0.2% - 0.3% to Earth's greenhouse effect.

We had an ice age 2 million years ago that melted and it was'nt because of me driving my land rover!.
I think the whole global warming debate is just another way to get money out of us.
I do however agree with controlling pollution and recycling where possible.
i raised the issue of car tax in another thread, and it digressed into me thinking about the levels of tax we pay to run a car, and aht that tax is being used on.
if they say we are paying higher tax on more carbon footprint making vehichals to combat global warming, how exactly? does it not just mean that thse that can afford to pay will, and those that cant go skint, not everyone can afford to buy a newer more efficiant car.
and is global warming really down to us or a natural thing?
is recyclying helping? the effort to wash a carton out, ( water, gas to warm water, washing up liquid)
then the petrol to drive to the recyclying centre, then that truck that collects it all to take it to a factory to recycle it and the energy that factory uses, then the cost in pertol etc for those people to drive to the factory to get to work.?
so we get taxed on everything we do, in a backward way to save the enviroment, but what do we get back for recyclying? nothing financially thats for sure.
wouldnt the government be best placed to make companys make all packaging bio degradable?
then why do local governments give the bin collecting contract to the company that can do it cheapest, and in my area this mean the one that wont provide us with wheelie bins or they cant afford the new bin lorrys for wheelie bins, so we have to use black bin bags.
if the goverment want us to use biodegradable bin bags why dont they give them to us?
today my head is hurting, ive been thinking far to much.
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“Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?”
Maurice Strong
Head of the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro

“The data don't matter. We're not basing our recommendations upon the data. We're basing them upon the climate models”
Chris Folland
UK Meteorological Office

“The answer to global warming is in the abolition of private property and production for human need. A socialist world would place an enormous priority on alternative energy sources. This is what ecologically-minded socialists have been exploring for quite some time now.”
Louis Proyect
Columbia University

“No matter if the science is all phoney, there are collateral environmental benefits.... climate change the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
Christine Stewart
Canadian Environment Minister
Calgary Herald
14 Dec 1998

“Time is running out”
Henry Kendall
speaking on behalf of Greenpeace
1992
“Time running out for action on global warming”
Greenpeace
1994
“Time is running out for the climate”
Chris Rose
Greenpeace
1997

“We have a policy at Greenpeace that we no longer debate people who don't accept the scientific reality of anthropogenic climate change.”
Ben Stewart, Greenpeace
in a letter to Iain Dale
circa 2007-05-28
(Showing that is they who are the real 'deniers', for there is not one climate realist who seeks to suppress debate on the issue)

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister

“Ideology on which the Kyoto Protocol is based, is a new form of totalitarian id eology, along with Marxism, Communism and socialism.”
“We had doubts about the Kyoto Protocol, we wanted reasoning from our partners in the European Union, in the IPCC. Formal requests had been sent to these organizations. But we have not received responses yet, which suggests that no coherent answers can be offered. What we hear is ‘it is not comprehensive responses that matter, we will not give them anyway; what is important is whether you believe us or not’.”
“We have received no single argument in favour of this document except political pressure. No link has been established between carbon dioxide emissions and climate change. No other objective facts have been presented in recent time. The IPCC's reports in 1990 and 1995 show it clearly.”
“We are close to a consensus that the Kyoto Protocol does huge economic, political, social and ecological damage to the Russian Federation. In addition, it certainly violates the rights and freedoms of Russian citizens, and well as the rights and freedoms of citizens in those countries which signed and ratified it.”
Andrey Illarionov
Economic Adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
2004-05-19