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Quote by musketeer
We have 2 Rotweillers and a young child and under no circumstances would i ever leave my daughter alone with them, my dogs are soooooo soft natured and would give u a nasty lick rather than a bite but you can never take that chance with any dogs.
But i think something must have happened for the dog to do what it did.

I don't blame you for being cautious, it's sensible, but every Rotweiller I have ever met has been a charming and wonderful dog, (I like dogs, they like me). I think there are two criteria here:
1. The dogs owners. Dogs kept purely as guard dogs are more likely to be difficult, damn difficult, than those kept indoors as pets. 99% of the time it's the owner who ultimately causes the problem. Like Alsatians, always worry about the owner and therefore the dogs when they are called Prince or King!
2. Keeping two dogs together of the same breed is asking for it if they are big dogs. They become a pack and you are not necessarily pack leader when push comes to shove. I approve of keeping two dogs together and don't like the idea of a dog kept without companionship of its own kind, but choose dogs with different character traits, it's much safer.
I agree here. I had a Rotty years ago and she was a family pet and not a guard dog. She was allowed free run of the house and garden and we made sure she had a muzzle on when she was walked, not because she needed it but as it was at the time of all the 'Devil Dogs' reports we did that to make other people feel less threatened by her. My youngest son was a baby at the time but even with her placid temperament, we would never leave her alone with the baby.
Your second point is why we only ever had one dog and not more. When we first went to buy her, the breeders warned us against having more than one for that exact reason. It's a pity now that all Rotties and large breeds will be deemed to be dangerous just because of the irresponsiblity of the owners. My next door neighbour had a Staffy and I know from experience what a wonderful and loving nature they can have given the right training and treatment. Unfortunately, the neighbour is neither responsible nor sensible and with his 2 year old daughter teasing the life out of the poor dog, it's a disaster waiting to happen.
My dogs dont have full run of the house, we have a huge garden for them to play in and they only come into the livingroom the only reason we got another rotty was coz our jack russel died and Dotty the older one was missing him, she stopped eating and became quite ill so we thought we would get a small breed of rotty.
Quote by mezagog
The question had to be asked why the dog did what it did.....
Was the child provoking it?
Did it have that nature?
Was the dog really friendly at all?
I think untill this can be answered we can't explain anything about what happened.
In the most recent attack which I think mezagog is refering too the child was 5 months old and not in the immediate area of the dogs. Apparently they went from the roof into the living quarters and dragged the child back onto the an update there has been another attack last night , again the dog got out from where it was supposed to be and attacked a child further down the road . A nieghbour beat the dog off the child with a hammer, the child is in serious condition in hospital.
and in the crazy world of ours.. the "madman" with the hammer will probably be prosecuted for animal cruelty....
Quote by GnV
The question had to be asked why the dog did what it did.....
Was the child provoking it?
Did it have that nature?
Was the dog really friendly at all?
I think untill this can be answered we can't explain anything about what happened.
In the most recent attack which I think mezagog is refering too the child was 5 months old and not in the immediate area of the dogs. Apparently they went from the roof into the living quarters and dragged the child back onto the an update there has been another attack last night , again the dog got out from where it was supposed to be and attacked a child further down the road . A nieghbour beat the dog off the child with a hammer, the child is in serious condition in hospital.
and in the crazy world of ours.. the "madman" with the hammer will probably be prosecuted for animal cruelty....
He was actually praised by the police for his bravery, which is spot on I think. The animal in this attack has now been/is going to be destroyed.
ok, change prosecuted with persecuted... The Police have obviously come to their senses on this one but the animal activists have yet to declare their interest
Quote by GnV
ok, change prosecuted with persecuted... The Police have obviously come to their senses on this one but the animal activists have yet to declare their interest

From what I read the neighbour hit the dog only enough to distract it from mauling the child. Apparently it was still growling and barking but ceased the attack when struck. As it (the dog) was tied up the neighbour removed the child to safety.
I see your point GnV, but even animal activists will have a hard job trying to convince people that the dog was "harmed". I am an animal lover and hate to see cruelty in any form, but I wouldn't hesitate to react in the same way as I am sure many, many others would too.
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Think you should change the title from dangerous dogs to dangerous owners as thats what it realy boils down to, how many times have we seen or heard of this happen more so with certain breeds of dogs yet we still see these said breed roaming freely or without a muzzle, don't get me wrong i'm not saying everyone with a dog is the same but if those 2 guard dogs in question were not free to roam the entire premises or the other that was roaming the street had a muzzle would we still be having this conversation?
There have been pets in our family since before I was born, including a guard dog when we were in Africa who I used to ride as a horse.
She was marvellous with me when my Dad was around, I wasn't allowed near her if he wasn't and she was kept chained securely.
We had an Afghan Hound when I was growing up, that was a pet and had the run of the house, soft as butter, except with other big dogs.
I used to cuddle up to him watching tv and do allsorts of adventures with him, we grew up together and nothing about him frightened me.
I have small scars on my face where his brother bit me whilst we were visiting his house.
I shoved my face in his as I threw my arms around his neck to cuddle him because it's what I did with my dog. He, quite rightly with hindsight, thought cheeky cow and bit me, fortunatly my dog saved me from a serious attack. I only needed telling once that not all dogs were my pet. lol
I still think that dogs are great pets and every child should have one, I think it helps to teach respect for animals.
It's very sad that these things happen and I do think guard dogs should be appropriately trained and licenced, but going on witch hunts after certain breeds won't help, any dog can bite in given circumstances and some of the smaller ones can do far more damage with tearing to a childs face.
All parents can do is be aware and do their best, and ensure their children know not to tease dogs ever.
Jas
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Quote by BiWelshMinx
ok, change prosecuted with persecuted... The Police have obviously come to their senses on this one but the animal activists have yet to declare their interest
From what I read the neighbour hit the dog only enough to distract it from mauling the child. Apparently it was still growling and barking but ceased the attack when struck. As it (the dog) was tied up the neighbour removed the child to safety.
I see your point GnV, but even animal activists will have a hard job trying to convince people that the dog was "harmed". I am an animal lover and hate to see cruelty in any form, but I wouldn't hesitate to react in the same way as I am sure many, many others would too.
smile
Too right!! :thumbup:
I have a dog who is the most gorgeous and soft dog ive ever had, hes a german shepherd and everyone around here knows hes just a big teddy bear. I take him up to school when i take my son to school every day, hes very obedient and he loves kids. He walks off the lead most of the time and i never worry about him biting anyone - its just not in him.
However, my last GSD was a different kettle of fish altogether. He was a nervous dog, very protective and territorial. He was brilliant with my kids tho and i never had a problem with him in that way. But i had to be careful with him when out walking, and i couldnt let anyone in the house with him around - he had to be locked away.
It wasnt anything we did with him, he was just born that way. Im a responsible dog owner and my dog is very much loved by everyone around here. I suppose now tho, ill be getting the strange looks and people crossing over the road to avoid Max.
Hopefully, itll blow over - i must say i do feel extremely upset about the children who have been mauled this week, its just terrible.
Suze xx
As has been said rightly, any dog can be dangerous regardless of its breed and anyone who keeps dogs and has children takes a risk, however small that the child will get bitten... or in some cases that the dog will get its ears pulled off wink . However, that is not to say that dogs and children do not mix, i grew up with dogs and it never did me any harm :wink:
Whilst I think it is appalling that these events have happened in the last few days, we cannot throw the baby out with the bathwater so it speak and assume that all rotties are going to savage children in unprovoked attacks. We must think that the type of behaviour and training a guard dog has had, which is sometimes very cruel, is completely different from the way a pet dog is treated --- or SHOULD be treated.... this is the problem... sme owners are just prats... nuff said rolleyes .... I think that the way forward is to bring back licensing for dogs and make the sum paid a reasonable one, not the 37p that i recall it used to be! I think the term DANGEROUS DOG for certain breeds is misleading and licensing is needed for ALL dogs. Perhaps anyone keeping a guard dog should be subject to different licensing conditions than those of us keeping pets
Don't shoot me, I am a dog owner and I have a small child, and I have cats too.... which actually rule both the dog and the child :roll: :roll: :roll: :wink: :wink: :wink:
Quote by Fun Scottish Couple
Think you should change the title from dangerous dogs to dangerous owners as thats what it realy boils down to, how many times have we seen or heard of this happen more so with certain breeds of dogs yet we still see these said breed roaming freely or without a muzzle, don't get me wrong i'm not saying everyone with a dog is the same but if those 2 guard dogs in question were not free to roam the entire premises or the other that was roaming the street had a muzzle would we still be having this conversation?

Yes, a dog chained up in a front garden tells you all you need to know about its owner.
Quote by Jas-Tim
It's very sad that these things happen and I do think guard dogs should be appropriately trained and licenced, but going on witch hunts after certain breeds won't help, any dog can bite in given circumstances and some of the smaller ones can do far more damage with tearing to a childs face.
All parents can do is be aware and do their best, and ensure their children know not to tease dogs ever.
Jas
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Agreed, especially the bit about particular breeds :thumbup:
I doubt very much that the parents of children who have been mauled will agree with me, but media sensationalism & the demonising of particular breeds ends only in the unecessary destruction of thousands of dogs.
Quote by Suze43
I have a dog who is the most gorgeous and soft dog ive ever had, hes a german shepherd and everyone around here knows hes just a big teddy bear. I take him up to school when i take my son to school every day, hes very obedient and he loves kids. He walks off the lead most of the time and i never worry about him biting anyone - its just not in him.

Having owned GSD's for a long time and seen the softest friendliest dog (a bitch btw) ive ever known turn into a foaming at the mouth lunatic who pinned a child to the wall when he climbed the fence to get his ball back, (We have now changed to a smaller breed due to the trouble we had after that incident) i have to say it most certainly is in him, im sorry but dogs and especially the bigger breeds and males seem more prone to it, work on a 'pack' mentality, they fit into the pack if trained and raised correctly where they should do, as subservient to their owner, this brings problems of its own as the dog will attack to protect its 'pack leader' from something the dog may view as a threat. If a dog is startled, scared or simply unsure of anything they will all give warnings, this varys from breed to breed and can be something as subtle as a change in stance to the full on growl and bared teeth etc. The only way you can safely say you will have a dog who will never bite is by physically preventing it from doing so by muzzling it permanantly, obviously this is cruel and unecessary, so unfortunately we will always have dog attacks, dogs work on instinct, they are essentially wild animals, they can and do survive without human intervention. Its more down to risk management than anything else, i believe legally if your dog does attack whilst off a lead in a public place you are in very deep water. Having said this no dog is any less likely to bite than any other, its depends on the situation and how threatened the animal feels itself or its 'pack' to be.
I had a 'friend' whose brother had a Rottweiler, I ended up refusing to go and see him when I saw the way they treated the poor dog.
They had it permanently chained up in the garden, would go out and tease it, antagonise it and basically turned it from a very placid dog into something I would be terrified to be anywhere near. When I questioned this 'friend' he laughed it off as a bit of fun, we subsequently fell out over it because I said he had little regard for if the dog got free one day and went for someone.
I think there are certain dogs who are more prone to being aggressive, but I'm not naive to think that it's only these dogs that are likely to attack. I believe the main responsibility has to be with the owners and their way of rearing the dog, it's a natural progression that if you train the dog to be aggressive, it will be that way. Likewise, I think you can never underestimate or second guess what a dog (or any other animal for that matter) is going to do.
My sympathies are with the families who are going through this at the moment....
Quote by staffcple
they are essentially wild animals, they can and do survive without human intervention.

I agree with everything you say except this bit. Since man first caught an animal in a trap, and discovered that if he threw the bones to the wild dogs they would stay near the camp and warn him of unwelcome visitors dogs have been domesticated. They've been domesticated almost as long as man, and their lives have been interwoven with ours since the dawn of time. I don't know of a dog that could really survive in the wild, or more that would want to try, they will always gravitate to humans.
my mother has a rottweiler crossed with a bullmastive which is now 9 years old and she has had it since it was a pup... i have 3 children that have been brought up with the dog and my eldest is now 13 so was born before my mother got the dog and the dog has never even attempted to go for any of my children or other chilren that have been around it,,,, when they were younger they used to sit on it back and it never bothered the dog also when the dog was younger i used to play in the garden with him as in he used to jump up me and i have put my arm in it mouth in playing and the dog has never bit me....
the dog has got a brillant temperment and would never hurt anyone.... but saying that i would not leave my youngest alone with the dog cause he is only 4 and i no if he was left alone with him he would probally winde the dog up and with all dogs if annoyed to much then theres always that chance of them turning....but as for laeving my other 2 children with him i would have no problem with leaving them in the same house as the dog on there own...
i think rottweillers are loverly dog and as for any dog if brought up right as a family dog then they make great pets
Its a simple fact that out of every thousand dogs or so 999 would never harm a fly let alone a child. It only takes one one second to have instinct kick in and have a go, the owners should bear the responsibility of that at all times no matter how soft and cuddly a dog may seem. never leave them alone together no one ever knows what the dogs really thinking do they!
Before you have a go we have had dogs and children.
Its so sad for these people who have had these attacks, no one is blaming as I don't think for one minute they would do anything to harm either deliberately. They have lost children and pets in one go!
Mike x
I think throughout my life I have been around dogs.
When my firstborn came along, I actually had 4, all different breeds. All of them with different temperaments, all of them with their own personalities.
Of course any dog owner with kids has to accept that there is a risk, but there are also a multitude of rewards. When I was a kid, growing up with my boxer was something I remember with very fond memories indeed.
It does sadden me that certain breeds are picked on by the media, typically the large breeds. It was not that long ago that a study found that Golden Retrievers were accountable for more attacks on people as a percentage than any other breed.
We talk so much about the responsibilities of dog owners, which I agree with. However, parents also have a responsibility. I used to own a Pyrenean Mountain Dog, a huge fluffy white thing. I used to take her to the local pub, sit in the garden and she would sit under the table good as gold and wait patiently for the odd crisp. What annoyed me was the number of kids, especially very young kids, who would come up to her and tease her in full view of the parents. The amount of times I had to have words with the parents to tell their kids to leave the dog alone, I hate to think. All the parents and kids saw was this white cuddly thing that maybe reminded them of a fluffy toy they had at home.
Quote by Manolishi
What annoyed me was the number of kids, especially very young kids, who would come up to her and tease her in full view of the parents.

Thats part of the problem........Our kids have been told not to and do not go near any dog without authorisation from either Shireen or I or the dog owner as its impossible to tell how the dog will react...
At the very least the owner will have some idea of the dogs temprement........Thus giving an indication of if its ok to approach or not.....
Its not foolproof by any means but it is an indication..
our kids know the boundries when playing with our dog ,they know she is old and as such has a bit of pain in her joints at times. they know this and how far to go and what will cause her discomfort.
with any other dog it is a total , do not touch or go near situation . If another dog runs up to them on the beach they freeze and stay quiet,,,with I could get that reaction at home lol
but its allways better safe than sorry
Quote by Steve_Mids
What annoyed me was the number of kids, especially very young kids, who would come up to her and tease her in full view of the parents.

Thats part of the problem........Our kids have been told not to and do not go near any dog without authorisation from either Shireen or I or the dog owner as its impossible to tell how the dog will react...
At the very least the owner will have some idea of the dogs temprement........Thus giving an indication of if its ok to approach or not.....
Its not foolproof by any means but it is an indication..
Very true.
My parents currently have a bulldog and a poodle.
The bulldog might knock you off your feet jumping to say hello and lick you to death, so when Dad is walking her and people approach he warns them. Not that she is dangerous but that she is very friendly and heavy.
Everyone is warned not to touch the poodle as you wouldn't trust her one inch. She has never bitten anyone, but she is a nark and doesn't like her ears or feet being touched, and so you just don't let people take the chance. Fortunatly she's teeny so you just sling her in your handbag or pocket if it looks busy lol :lol: :lol: :lol:
Jas
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Quote by Jas-Tim
What annoyed me was the number of kids, especially very young kids, who would come up to her and tease her in full view of the parents.

Thats part of the problem........Our kids have been told not to and do not go near any dog without authorisation from either Shireen or I or the dog owner as its impossible to tell how the dog will react...
At the very least the owner will have some idea of the dogs temprement........Thus giving an indication of if its ok to approach or not.....
Its not foolproof by any means but it is an indication..
Very true.
My parents currently have a bulldog and a poodle.
The bulldog might knock you off your feet jumping to say hello and lick you to death, so when Dad is walking her and people approach he warns them. Not that she is dangerous but that she is very friendly and heavy.
Everyone is warned not to touch the poodle as you wouldn't trust her one inch. She has never bitten anyone, but she is a nark and doesn't like her ears or feet being touched, and so you just don't let people take the chance. Fortunatly she's teeny so you just sling her in your handbag or pocket if it looks busy lol :lol: :lol: :lol:
Jas
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This reminds me of a yorkshire terrier that lived down the road from me a few years ago. Before you got out of the car, you had to check the street to see if it was out. If it was, the number of times I could have beaten Linford Christie in a sprint was a joke! The darling little mutt would be right there snapping at your ankles and he was a viscious little sod! The kids were terrified of it but the owner couldn't see how dangerous it could be.
Quote by mezagog
so another child has been savaged by a rotwieller dog..
this subject raises it head more and more frequently these days, as a dog owner Im not anti dog . But also as a parent of young children Im concerned, very concerned.
In allmost all cases the dog has been described as " a big freindly dog " , " would not hurt anyone " .
But they did .....
What is the answer?.

The answer is simple. Take them out and shot them.
Shot all bad dog owners then you have no bad dogs.
...but seriously, apart from the odd dog with brain damage it is bad training not bad dog.
What defines a dangerous dog though? There are the obvious breeds like pitbulls which are covered under the dangerous dogs act, but in fact only 4 breeds are covered under this act:
* the Pit Bull Terrier
* the Japanese tosa
* the Dogo Argentino
* the Fila Brasileiro
.. but as has been mentioned in this thread that poodles can be vicious, as can collies (personal experience). I have also seen a King Charles spaniel who was a 'jealous' dog attack someone who was too freindly with it's owner, apparently that's a trait of it's breed.
I am sure we have all seen an over zealous Jack Russell in the past as well.
I don't want to scare people unintentionally, but we should all be aware of the dangers of anydog as Steve_Mids says, get the approval of any owner before letting kids approach them.
I am having a bit of a problem with this atm as my (8yr old) daughter thinks that every dog loves her and she sticks her face into easy snapping distance of any dogs that pass her orbit confused :?
Minx x x
Quote by BiWelshMinx
What defines a dangerous dog though? There are the obvious breeds like pitbulls which are covered under the dangerous dogs act, but in fact only 4 breeds are covered under this act:
* the Pit Bull Terrier
* the Japanese tosa
* the Dogo Argentino
* the Fila Brasileiro
.. but as has been mentioned in this thread that poodles can be vicious, as can collies (personal experience). I have also seen a King Charles spaniel who was a 'jealous' dog attack someone who was too freindly with it's owner, apparently that's a trait of it's breed.
I am sure we have all seen an over zealous Jack Russell in the past as well.
I don't want to scare people unintentionally, but we should all be aware of the dangers of any dog as Steve_Mids says, get the approval of any owner before letting kids approach them.
I am having a bit of a problem with this atm as my (8yr old) daughter thinks that every dog loves her and she sticks her face into easy snapping distance of any dogs that pass her orbit confused :?
Minx x x

Minxy
Any dog can bite, owners who believe their dog will never bite are not not living in the real world.
As for yorur daughter, honestly, you really do need to have a serious chat with her. The problem being that it is all to easy to put her off dogs for life and that, in my opinion, would be a very sad result indeed.
I had a relative that from an early age it was drummed into him that dogs were dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. He is in his forties now and is still shit scared of them.
Maybe if you have a friend who is a dog owner and understanding could sit down with her and explain how to introduce herself to a dog properly?
Quote by Manolishi
I had a relative that from an early age it was drummed into him that dogs were dangerous and should be avoided at all costs. He is in his forties now and is still shit scared of them.

I got bitten by a very large dog when I was younger. It got his chops round my wrist and wouldn't let go.
Shit scared then, shit scared of dogs now rolleyes
i always find it amazing that each time(every few years) we hear of an horrific dog attack there seems to be a spate of attacks after?? are these follow on attacks a coincidence or does it need a high profile case to bring the "minor" ones to our attention?
many of the houses(maybe all) i work in either have a rotty or a pitbull and i get the impression that its poor handling by the owner that leads to these does anyone need a rotty or a pitbull anyway?? and why is it that if you live in a council estate you are 10 times more likely to own one??????????????????????? rolleyes
Quote by robbie_rob
why does anyone need a rotty or a pitbull anyway?? and why is it that if you live in a council estate you are 10 times more likely to own one??????????????????????? rolleyes

We didnt go out looking for a rotty but she was the one that looked the best sort of dog for us, we got her from the RSPCA 4 yrs ago and never had any trouble with her, untill last yr we had a rough hair jack russel aswell, and people wer more scarred of him than her, we now have another rotty aswell.
why does anyone need a rotty or a pitbull anyway??
Because we like that breed of dog, its not that we need 1 its the fact that we want one or 2 in our case.
and why is it that if you live in a council estate you are 10 times more likely to own
Yes we also live on a council estate but we had our dogs b4 we moved to a council estate