Dangerous driving....

13 Aug 2008

Quote by TabbynTina
There seems to be an awful lot of pious thinking in this thread.
The fact of the matter is that every person behind the wheel is a human and as such has human qualities and traits. Everyone of us in this thread (who drive) and every driver out there, at some point, will lose concentration, do stupid things and break the law whilst driving.
If you really think you're a safe driver (most people aren't as safe as they think) then may I suggest that you go here, sign up for a course and realise just how bad your driving is.
And just for balance, yes I am an advanced driver, and yes I still make silly mistakes but due to the 2 week full time course I undertook for ambulance work I make less mistakes than the average motorist.
If, as this thread shows, people are so irate about it then don't just vent, do something about it. The more advanced motorist on the road the less accidents occur. In case anyone suggests that it's other people doing the stupid things, well all I can say is that you are obviously not an advanced driver. In advanced driving the whole point is safety and driving in such a way as to avoid the numpties on the road.

I had an advanced driver drive up the inside of me when the lane went from 2 lanes to 1, he then went onto bleeping his horn all way down the road, when I turned round shrugging my shoulders very anoyed, he then went onto following me to my work place and giving me loads of verbal abuse and my manager had to get involved, he was very intimidating and was ranting on about how he was an off duty advanced driving instructor!!!
Not sure which advanced driving school he went to but I wonder if they learnt him the whole point of safety and driving in a way to avoid numpties on the road ( and no I wasnt the numpty lol

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Even twats can be advanced drivers... part of the human condition I'm afraid.
Also just because he says he is doesn't mean he actually is.

13 Aug 2008

Having a bike license has saved my neck whilst driving a car on more than one occasion. You have to ride defensively if you want to stay alive long term. The fact that I assume the tipper driver waiting to pull out onto the road I'm on is a fuckwit, and I may need to react fast has stood me in good stead.
Although when you're stationary at a junction and some twat who "thought you'd gone" accelerates into you & pushes you into the oncoming bypass traffic- there's little you can do mad

Bloody sure he was on the phone, too :x :x

13 Aug 2008

My former company was in the process of removing all hands free kits from company cars and issued instructions that no phonecalls company should be made or received whilst driving a vehicle.
It is no longer acceptable to conduct a phonecall whilst driving a motor vehicle.
Be aware that if it can be proven one was on the phone at the time of an accident not only may you be at risk of prosecution but insurance companies will refuse cover under such circumstances.
On a lighter note I can't help thinking that colliding with winchwench's rear does have it's attractive side redface

14 Aug 2008

Quote by winchwench
Having a bike license has saved my neck whilst driving a car on more than one occasion. You have to ride defensively if you want to stay alive long term. The fact that I assume the tipper driver waiting to pull out onto the road I'm on is a fuckwit, and I may need to react fast has stood me in good stead.
Although when you're stationary at a junction and some twat who "thought you'd gone" accelerates into you & pushes you into the oncoming bypass traffic- there's little you can do
Bloody sure he was on the phone, too :x :x

It is amazing how many loons who think that just because they go through red/amber light then the person in front of them should. The I saw it, the guy got out of the car and had a go at the lass who did stop. There was no accident, but there could have been. The light changed and she drove off, I do hope they went down different roads!
Now that is one guy who should have lost his licence, twat.

14 Aug 2008

Quote by TabbynTina
I used to ride a motorbike, and have never learnt to drive a car. I know this might sound silly, but I felt more vunerable in a car.. wheras I had more control over my bike. I also ALWAYS wore the full amour kit when I went out.. and it served me well.
I got knocked off my bike by a drunk driver, but got straight back on my bike.. but had to go to casualty later as I didn't realise how injured I was. I was almost knocked flying by a bus, and a taxi driver on another occasion sending a text.
I now walk everywhere..that I can... as I am too scared to learn to drive now. Some drivers in Oxford and London where I go every week frighten me silly.. I will not tar everyone with the same brush, as there are some good drivers out there, but its the few that ruin things for everyone else.
I wish I could drive, would make things a lot easier..

sorry dont know how to quote the bit I want
Hubby is a bike rider and he has mentioned many times the car drivers that dont see the bike at junctions/roundabouts, its not often i go on the back but more recently I have started and I must admit there are times when I dont feel very safe ( not due to hubby's riding skills)
They don't see bikes full stop!
I drive a very powerfull sportsbike which is capable of silly speeds in a blink of an eye. I treat EVERY car or van or bus or coach or lorry driver as complete idiots, wanting to wipe me out. That attitude has kept me in good stead so far and has helped me escape being another bike statisitc many times.
There are many drivers who pull over to let me pass and for those i take my hat off too, as they obviously are " bike aware ".
As a biker I get to pass cars a lot and some of the driving habits are just gross. Driving whilst reading, mobile phones, general lack of consideration to everyone.
I don't need an advanced driving course cos riding a bike for over 30 years has taught me more about saving my life, than any advanced driving could have done. On a bike there are no second chances and as such you have to be more aware than in a car. I feel everyone should resit a test every 10 years if not sooner and as a biker anyone over the age of 65 should take one every five years. The reason is from what I see on my bike is the older you are the more chance there is of that person being much slower in their reactions to fast moving vehicles, and their reaction times are so slow.
The " numpties " out there in other cars are rife, and if you think of every other car driver being one, you won't go far wrong in avoiding any problems.

14 Aug 2008

Bloody hell, Kent & I are in agreement!
Smelling salts, quick! :lol2:

14 Aug 2008

Quote by winchwench
Bloody hell, Kent & I are in agreement!
Smelling salts, quick! :lol2:

Winch you know I am a big pussy really. :shock:

14 Aug 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
The " numpties " out there in other cars are rife, and if you think of every other car driver being one, you won't go far wrong in avoiding any problems.

Proportionally speaking there are far more numpties out there on bikes than on cars I'm afraid. Both experience and statistics point to this.
As for the advanced driving, you'd be amazed at what it can teach you regardless of length of experience. 30 years doesn't just give you experience, it also gives you more than enough time to pick up bad habits too. We all have them and we all say we don't have them, but more often than not it's a bad habit that will wipe us or someone else out.
The advanced bike course is cool and a lot of fun. It's changed a bit since I did mine, but I'd guarantee you'd get something out of it be it survival tips or having fun. What do you have to lose?
Oh and I almost forgot. A lot of insurance companies offer additional discounts to advanced drivers.

14 Aug 2008

I'm no fan of speed cameras placed as money grabbers. But I would applaud any council that put red-light cameras on every light. Set to identify those who accelerate at amber to get through, who cross the line at red or who are on the phone even when stopped waiting, who are furtling about in their handbags while waiting or driving through - the list goes on.
Some may say 'if you're at the lights it's ok to do stuff'.
I disagree - apart from something really quick like switching a radio button (not tuning in, just pressing a button) there is NOTHING a drivers eyes or hands should be doing but driving/watching the lights and being ready to go.
When I was learning to drive it was drilled into me - approach any give way or lighted junction in 3rd and prepared to stop. Ok I have slipped with the being in 3rd bit, but I am always ready to stop and NOT slamming the accelerator down to race the lights. Mostly cos I can imagine what would happen if another idiot was doing the same thing from the other side.
Oh and as for 'all drivers never see motorcyclist' - I am one who looks, and looks again for motor/bi-cyclists. But maybe that is cos my ex used a bike.

14 Aug 2008

Proportionally speaking there are far more numpties out there on bikes than on cars I'm afraid. Both experience and statistics point to this.

Sorry.. I'm going to leap up and down a bit here because I am actually actively involved with the DOT with a new motorcycle helmet testing standard (SHARP) and I can tell you that motorcycle fatalites have been stable for the last few years but the released figures have not taken into account the general increase in road traffic - thus in real terms there has been a reduction.
If you want to check the figures out you will need a copy of the COST 327 report (a 10 year research program). That report will also confirm that 60% of all urban motorcycle accidents were caused by third parties..... perhaps not as many numpties on bikes as you suggest!!!
I sat on my first bike at 8 years old, a good few years ago now and i've raced em, trailed 'em and ridden 'em on the road in the UK, US and Europe and from my experience, motorcyclists make better car drivers and are far more aware of road conditions and what is going on around them....
OK rant over...! bolt

14 Aug 2008

Quote by Peanut
The " numpties " out there in other cars are rife, and if you think of every other car driver being one, you won't go far wrong in avoiding any problems.

Proportionally speaking there are far more numpties out there on bikes than on cars I'm afraid. Both experience and statistics point to this.
As for the advanced driving, you'd be amazed at what it can teach you regardless of length of experience. 30 years doesn't just give you experience, it also gives you more than enough time to pick up bad habits too. We all have them and we all say we don't have them, but more often than not it's a bad habit that will wipe us or someone else out.
The advanced bike course is cool and a lot of fun. It's changed a bit since I did mine, but I'd guarantee you'd get something out of it be it survival tips or having fun. What do you have to lose?
Oh and I almost forgot. A lot of insurance companies offer additional discounts to advanced drivers.
In my opinion that is rubbish. You made a statement, now show the proof of that and back it up please!
I have been driving bikes for 33 years and cars for 30 years. I have never had an accident on either. I know I have bags of experience of driving bikes and I dont care even if there are statistics out there, car drivers contribute greatly to bikers injuries and deaths. Trust me I have seen it first hand, many times.
There are of course bad bike riders, but from my experience which is a lot, there are far more bad drivers out there on four wheels, than on two wheels any day of the week.

14 Aug 2008

Quote by shark
Proportionally speaking there are far more numpties out there on bikes than on cars I'm afraid. Both experience and statistics point to this.

Sorry.. I'm going to leap up and down a bit here because I am actually actively involved with the DOT with a new motorcycle helmet testing standard (SHARP) and I can tell you that motorcycle fatalites have been stable for the last few years but the released figures have not taken into account the general increase in road traffic - thus in real terms there has been a reduction.
If you want to check the figures out you will need a copy of the COST 327 report (a 10 year research program). That report will also confirm that 60% of all urban motorcycle accidents were caused by third parties..... perhaps not as many numpties on bikes as you suggest!!!
I sat on my first bike at 8 years old, a good few years ago now and i've raced em, trailed 'em and ridden 'em on the road in the UK, US and Europe and from my experience, motorcyclists make better car drivers and are far more aware of road conditions and what is going on around them....
OK rant over...! bolt

I'll answer this for both yourself and kent. Firstly please note the use of proportionally. Secondly I didn't say that the bikers were the cause of the accident. I know full weel the statistics that car drivers cause most of them, but that does not detract from the fact that inexperience and bad biking practices are partly to blame for not avoiding the accident in the first place.
I've been driving since the age of 12 and riding bikes since the age of 10 (though I gave up bikes about 10 years ago). I only mention this because I want to make it clear that I'm not coming at this from a car driver thinking badly of bikers. I'm not.
A lot of those statistics could be avoided if the bikers knew what they were doing in the first place. And just to make sure we're all on the same page, my use of "numpty" includes those who ride in t-shirts, no gloves, no decent boots, scratched and or smoked visors at night etc etc. yes the bikers always come off worst, yes most times the car driver is the prat who caused the accident, but what I was talking about is the biker who was positioned on the road incorrectly, the biker who was driving slightly too fast for the conditions (regardless of whether he/she was under the speed limit or not), the biker who was distracted, the biker who had had a jar. This list goes on. I don't have to tell you how bad it is out there, so I also don't have to tell you how much more the biker has to be a better rider to survive it.

14 Aug 2008

oh come on all, isn't this another of those 'oh how wrong this is' yet how many actually are guilty? Speeding kills, yet don't we all do it at one time or another? How many of us park on double yellow lines (or on the pavement, blocking up the footpath yet considerate to the other road users); how many park in disabled bays, go through amber traffic lights, thow fag ends out of the windows (ok, not me on that one, or disabled bays either while I'm at it); and oh my god how many have dumped macdonalds/kentucky rubbish?.
And yes to all those pedants out there I do know there should probably be another question mark in somewhere but I couldn't find a reasonable spot and my language skills do need honing up a little.
lol

14 Aug 2008

Quote by Peanut
Proportionally speaking there are far more numpties out there on bikes than on cars I'm afraid. Both experience and statistics point to this.

Sorry.. I'm going to leap up and down a bit here because I am actually actively involved with the DOT with a new motorcycle helmet testing standard (SHARP) and I can tell you that motorcycle fatalites have been stable for the last few years but the released figures have not taken into account the general increase in road traffic - thus in real terms there has been a reduction.
If you want to check the figures out you will need a copy of the COST 327 report (a 10 year research program). That report will also confirm that 60% of all urban motorcycle accidents were caused by third parties..... perhaps not as many numpties on bikes as you suggest!!!
I sat on my first bike at 8 years old, a good few years ago now and i've raced em, trailed 'em and ridden 'em on the road in the UK, US and Europe and from my experience, motorcyclists make better car drivers and are far more aware of road conditions and what is going on around them....
OK rant over...! bolt

I'll answer this for both yourself and kent. Firstly please note the use of proportionally. Secondly I didn't say that the bikers were the cause of the accident. I know full weel the statistics that car drivers cause most of them, but that does not detract from the fact that inexperience and bad biking practices are partly to blame for not avoiding the accident in the first place.
I've been driving since the age of 12 and riding bikes since the age of 10 (though I gave up bikes about 10 years ago). I only mention this because I want to make it clear that I'm not coming at this from a car driver thinking badly of bikers. I'm not.
A lot of those statistics could be avoided if the bikers knew what they were doing in the first place. And just to make sure we're all on the same page, my use of "numpty" includes those who ride in t-shirts, no gloves, no decent boots, scratched and or smoked visors at night etc etc. yes the bikers always come off worst, yes most times the car driver is the prat who caused the accident, but what I was talking about is the biker who was positioned on the road incorrectly, the biker who was driving slightly too fast for the conditions (regardless of whether he/she was under the speed limit or not), the biker who was distracted, the biker who had had a jar. This list goes on. I don't have to tell you how bad it is out there, so I also don't have to tell you how much more the biker has to be a better rider to survive it.
You said " Both experience and statistics point to this ". I am still waiting for your statistics.
I dont dispute some of your comments above, but it gets my goat when bikes are held to blame for car drivers faults. You have not ridden a bike for ten years, and I have. The comments above DO occur sometimes for bikes but in the whole are not an accurate picture of most bikers. That would be a fair statement for car drivers for sure.
The rep who is more intent on chatting on his mobile, or adjusting his sat nav. The car driver who has had a jar too many, not many bikers would dare to do that one. The lorry driver with a full load who topples over for going too fast on a roundabout. The list goes on and on. Bikers are far more aware of the dangers out there, they are not cocooned in a tin box, with all the benefits they have.
If you can find statistics which can back up your claim about more biker numpties out there than car ones, would be very interested if you would find it.

14 Aug 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
Proportionally speaking there are far more numpties out there on bikes than on cars I'm afraid. Both experience and statistics point to this.

Sorry.. I'm going to leap up and down a bit here because I am actually actively involved with the DOT with a new motorcycle helmet testing standard (SHARP) and I can tell you that motorcycle fatalites have been stable for the last few years but the released figures have not taken into account the general increase in road traffic - thus in real terms there has been a reduction.
If you want to check the figures out you will need a copy of the COST 327 report (a 10 year research program). That report will also confirm that 60% of all urban motorcycle accidents were caused by third parties..... perhaps not as many numpties on bikes as you suggest!!!
I sat on my first bike at 8 years old, a good few years ago now and i've raced em, trailed 'em and ridden 'em on the road in the UK, US and Europe and from my experience, motorcyclists make better car drivers and are far more aware of road conditions and what is going on around them....
OK rant over...! bolt

I'll answer this for both yourself and kent. Firstly please note the use of proportionally. Secondly I didn't say that the bikers were the cause of the accident. I know full weel the statistics that car drivers cause most of them, but that does not detract from the fact that inexperience and bad biking practices are partly to blame for not avoiding the accident in the first place.
I've been driving since the age of 12 and riding bikes since the age of 10 (though I gave up bikes about 10 years ago). I only mention this because I want to make it clear that I'm not coming at this from a car driver thinking badly of bikers. I'm not.
A lot of those statistics could be avoided if the bikers knew what they were doing in the first place. And just to make sure we're all on the same page, my use of "numpty" includes those who ride in t-shirts, no gloves, no decent boots, scratched and or smoked visors at night etc etc. yes the bikers always come off worst, yes most times the car driver is the prat who caused the accident, but what I was talking about is the biker who was positioned on the road incorrectly, the biker who was driving slightly too fast for the conditions (regardless of whether he/she was under the speed limit or not), the biker who was distracted, the biker who had had a jar. This list goes on. I don't have to tell you how bad it is out there, so I also don't have to tell you how much more the biker has to be a better rider to survive it.
You said " Both experience and statistics point to this ". I am still waiting for your statistics.

And you can continue to wait. I have neither the time nor the inclination to try to dig up something I read somewhere and can't remember where. If you don't believe then that's fine.

I dont dispute some of your comments above, but it gets my goat when bikes are held to blame for car drivers faults. You have not ridden a bike for ten years, and I have.

Bike riding is bike riding, nothing has changed in the 10 years other than the amount of traffic. If anything the bikes are safer now than they were 10 years ago, the safety equipment is better and the training is compulsory. So the fact you've collected 10 more years of flies on your teeth is immaterial. I took the same test you did. The point was that I was an experienced rider and wasn't the typical driver having a pop at an easy target.

The comments above DO occur sometimes for bikes but in the whole are not an accurate picture of most bikers. That would be a fair statement for car drivers for sure.

Stop being so defensive, they happen to bikers ALL the time. You seem to have in your head the image of middle-aged, experienced bikers such as yourself, which would of course demonstrate your point. You seem to be forgetting the fuckwits on the Clairol 1200 scooters, teenage learners on a 125 who want to show off to their girlfriends, recent licence holders who go out and buy a superbike. I've treated all of those sorts of bikers and a lot of the time they did something wrong but someone else caused the accident.

The rep who is more intent on chatting on his mobile, or adjusting his sat nav. The car driver who has had a jar too many, not many bikers would dare to do that one. The lorry driver with a full load who topples over for going too fast on a roundabout. The list goes on and on. Bikers are far more aware of the dangers out there, they are not cocooned in a tin box, with all the benefits they have.

If bikers were "far more aware" of the problem there would be less accidents, regardless of the fact that they aren't to blame for them.

If you can find statistics which can back up your claim about more biker numpties out there than car ones, would be very interested if you would find it.

If you're that interested in them may I suggest that you find them. This isn't Wikipedia requiring reliable sources before we type anything. It would help if you realised that a biker (in this context) is someone who rides any motorised 2 wheel vehicle. Not just someone limited to being 50 plus riding a Goldwing with a trailer.

14 Aug 2008

Quote by Peanut
Proportionally speaking there are far more numpties out there on bikes than on cars I'm afraid. Both experience and statistics point to this.

Sorry.. I'm going to leap up and down a bit here because I am actually actively involved with the DOT with a new motorcycle helmet testing standard (SHARP) and I can tell you that motorcycle fatalites have been stable for the last few years but the released figures have not taken into account the general increase in road traffic - thus in real terms there has been a reduction.
If you want to check the figures out you will need a copy of the COST 327 report (a 10 year research program). That report will also confirm that 60% of all urban motorcycle accidents were caused by third parties..... perhaps not as many numpties on bikes as you suggest!!!
I sat on my first bike at 8 years old, a good few years ago now and i've raced em, trailed 'em and ridden 'em on the road in the UK, US and Europe and from my experience, motorcyclists make better car drivers and are far more aware of road conditions and what is going on around them....
OK rant over...! bolt

I'll answer this for both yourself and kent. Firstly please note the use of proportionally. Secondly I didn't say that the bikers were the cause of the accident. I know full weel the statistics that car drivers cause most of them, but that does not detract from the fact that inexperience and bad biking practices are partly to blame for not avoiding the accident in the first place.
I've been driving since the age of 12 and riding bikes since the age of 10 (though I gave up bikes about 10 years ago). I only mention this because I want to make it clear that I'm not coming at this from a car driver thinking badly of bikers. I'm not.
A lot of those statistics could be avoided if the bikers knew what they were doing in the first place. And just to make sure we're all on the same page, my use of "numpty" includes those who ride in t-shirts, no gloves, no decent boots, scratched and or smoked visors at night etc etc. yes the bikers always come off worst, yes most times the car driver is the prat who caused the accident, but what I was talking about is the biker who was positioned on the road incorrectly, the biker who was driving slightly too fast for the conditions (regardless of whether he/she was under the speed limit or not), the biker who was distracted, the biker who had had a jar. This list goes on. I don't have to tell you how bad it is out there, so I also don't have to tell you how much more the biker has to be a better rider to survive it.
You said " Both experience and statistics point to this ". I am still waiting for your statistics.

And you can continue to wait. I have neither the time nor the inclination to try to dig up something I read somewhere and can't remember where. If you don't believe then that's fine.

I dont dispute some of your comments above, but it gets my goat when bikes are held to blame for car drivers faults. You have not ridden a bike for ten years, and I have.

Bike riding is bike riding, nothing has changed in the 10 years other than the amount of traffic. If anything the bikes are safer now than they were 10 years ago, the safety equipment is better and the training is compulsory. So the fact you've collected 10 more years of flies on your teeth is immaterial. I took the same test you did. The point was that I was an experienced rider and wasn't the typical driver having a pop at an easy target.

The comments above DO occur sometimes for bikes but in the whole are not an accurate picture of most bikers. That would be a fair statement for car drivers for sure.

Stop being so defensive, they happen to bikers ALL the time. You seem to have in your head the image of middle-aged, experienced bikers such as yourself, which would of course demonstrate your point. You seem to be forgetting the fuckwits on the Clairol 1200 scooters, teenage learners on a 125 who want to show off to their girlfriends, recent licence holders who go out and buy a superbike. I've treated all of those sorts of bikers and a lot of the time they did something wrong but someone else caused the accident.

The rep who is more intent on chatting on his mobile, or adjusting his sat nav. The car driver who has had a jar too many, not many bikers would dare to do that one. The lorry driver with a full load who topples over for going too fast on a roundabout. The list goes on and on. Bikers are far more aware of the dangers out there, they are not cocooned in a tin box, with all the benefits they have.

If bikers were "far more aware" of the problem there would be less accidents, regardless of the fact that they aren't to blame for them.

If you can find statistics which can back up your claim about more biker numpties out there than car ones, would be very interested if you would find it.

If you're that interested in them may I suggest that you find them. This isn't Wikipedia requiring reliable sources before we type anything. It would help if you realised that a biker (in this context) is someone who rides any motorised 2 wheel vehicle. Not just someone limited to being 50 plus riding a Goldwing with a trailer.
So after all that bottom line is you cant back up your " statistic ". Thats fine...Now I know. lol

14 Aug 2008

Quote by jameybruce
oh come on all, isn't this another of those 'oh how wrong this is' yet how many actually are guilty? Speeding kills, yet don't we all do it at one time or another? Guilty How many of us park on double yellow lines (or on the pavement, blocking up the footpath yet considerate to the other road users)Never; how many park in disabled baysNever, go through amber traffic lightsNever, thow fag ends out of the windows Never - nor chewing gum(ok, not me on that one, or disabled bays either while I'm at it); and oh my god how many have dumped macdonalds/kentucky rubbish?Never.

Not picking on you truly - but please don't tar us all with the same brush. Some of us do actually make and effort to drive safely and considerately and consider ourselves entitled to object to those who don't.

14 Aug 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
So after all that bottom line is you cant back up your " statistic ". Thats fine...Now I know.

The bottom line is that I can't be arsed, but if you wish to translate that into something else please feel free.
Incidentally, did you really have to quote all of that just to add one line of text?

14 Aug 2008

Quote by foxylady2209
oh come on all, isn't this another of those 'oh how wrong this is' yet how many actually are guilty? Speeding kills, yet don't we all do it at one time or another? Guilty How many of us park on double yellow lines (or on the pavement, blocking up the footpath yet considerate to the other road users)Never; how many park in disabled baysNever, go through amber traffic lightsNever, thow fag ends out of the windows Never - nor chewing gum(ok, not me on that one, or disabled bays either while I'm at it); and oh my god how many have dumped macdonalds/kentucky rubbish?Never.

Not picking on you truly - but please don't tar us all with the same brush. Some of us do actually make and effort to drive safely and considerately and consider ourselves entitled to object to those who don't.
:thumbup: I had exactly the same thoughts Foxy- guilty of only one of the above- 80mph down a deserted M4.
Now give me the Nurnbergring...... :twisted:

14 Aug 2008

The Mrs Think Bikers dressed up in Leather male or female are really sexy luckily if we pass one or they us then she is the one craning her head to look at them whilst i drive (perfectly of course)
I'm with Jamesbruce on the fact that i try 99% of the time to drive consciencously but i know I fail for that 1%. To err is human.

14 Aug 2008

I lied, I do go through amber lights- but only when I should do. wink

14 Aug 2008

Quote by winchwench
I lied, I do go through amber lights- but only when I should do.

LOL It's the ones that accelerate at amber that get my goat. As you say - 'when you should'. Sometimes it's safer to keep going.

14 Aug 2008

Quote by Lost
To err is human.

Yeah but you try telling the magistrates that wink

14 Aug 2008

Quote by Peanut

So after all that bottom line is you cant back up your " statistic ". Thats fine...Now I know.

The bottom line is that I can't be arsed, but if you wish to translate that into something else please feel free.
Incidentally, did you really have to quote all of that just to add one line of text?
What you don't like that either? :shock:
Translate what? You made a comment which you could not back up, did YOU really have to disect all my reply to get to that conclusion?
Moving on to another topic.

14 Aug 2008

< hijack> On the same line of thought withtraffic lights.. i dont drive but near me there is quite a few sets of traffic lights (living town centre theres bound to be) i know the sequence of by heart to walk over them, but when the green man isnt on,
Has anyone crossed knowing its pretty safe ish? although technically it's not?
I know its something i do alot (not when son is with me mind) i weigh it up i can cross safely or wait another 5 mintues for the green man to show..
<hijack over>

14 Aug 2008

Quote by kentswingers777

So after all that bottom line is you cant back up your " statistic ". Thats fine...Now I know.

The bottom line is that I can't be arsed, but if you wish to translate that into something else please feel free.
Incidentally, did you really have to quote all of that just to add one line of text?
What you don't like that either? :shock:

If you feel that your post was worthy of all that screen real estate then I suppose that's your prerogative. personally I just think it's inconsiderate.

Translate what? You made a comment which you could not back up, did YOU really have to disect all my reply to get to that conclusion?

The "could not" is yours, the "can't be arsed" is mine. That sounds like translation to me.

Moving on to another topic.

So you can take up more pages with unnecessarily quoted text? Yes, why not.

14 Aug 2008

Quote by TanKinky
< hijack> On the same line of thought withtraffic lights.. i dont drive but near me there is quite a few sets of traffic lights (living town centre theres bound to be) i know the sequence of by heart to walk over them, but when the green man isnt on,
Has anyone crossed knowing its pretty safe ish? although technically it's not?
I know its something i do alot (not when son is with me mind) i weigh it up i can cross safely or wait another 5 mintues for the green man to show..
<hijack over>

Technically it would be jaywalking, but TBH I'm not sure if it's an offence any more (if it ever was) under UK law. If that's the case then all you would be doing is going contrary to the highway code, which is only advisory.

14 Aug 2008

Quote by Peanut
< hijack> On the same line of thought withtraffic lights.. i dont drive but near me there is quite a few sets of traffic lights (living town centre theres bound to be) i know the sequence of by heart to walk over them, but when the green man isnt on,
Has anyone crossed knowing its pretty safe ish? although technically it's not?
I know its something i do alot (not when son is with me mind) i weigh it up i can cross safely or wait another 5 mintues for the green man to show..
<hijack over>

Technically it would be jaywalking, but TBH I'm not sure if it's an offence any more (if it ever was) under UK law. If that's the case then all you would be doing is going contrary to the highway code, which is only advisory.
Not sure if it is breaking laws but was meaning more from a safety aspect?

14 Aug 2008

Quote by TanKinky
Not sure if it is breaking laws but was meaning more from a safety aspect?

If you look both ways and there's nothing coming then that's the safety aspect covered biggrin

You may even get a Tufty Club badge for it. wink

14 Aug 2008

Quote by Peanut
< hijack> On the same line of thought withtraffic lights.. i dont drive but near me there is quite a few sets of traffic lights (living town centre theres bound to be) i know the sequence of by heart to walk over them, but when the green man isnt on,
Has anyone crossed knowing its pretty safe ish? although technically it's not?
I know its something i do alot (not when son is with me mind) i weigh it up i can cross safely or wait another 5 mintues for the green man to show..
<hijack over>

Technically it would be jaywalking, but TBH I'm not sure if it's an offence any more (if it ever was) under UK law. If that's the case then all you would be doing is going contrary to the highway code, which is only advisory.
I don't believe there's a UK equivalent to "jaywalking." But yup, if it's safe to cross the road, I'll cross it. I don't care if it's a rainbow coloured man flashing his tackle at me! :color: