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Democracy on SH

I have said in another thread!
The reason I am here is I feel secure in the knowledge that if I have a problem there are people that would help me to sort them out.
If you had the members voting for ops or mods it would go down the route if your face fits.
They have to be non bias and non judgemental and in having a members vote would I believe take this emphasise away. You could end up with a I’ll scratch your back you can scratch mine scenarios, the in and out crowds
Luckily I have never had to make a complaint but have asked mods and ops questions in the past and have always felt that I have been given a fair and just response.
So why change something that seems to be working?
Quote by vodka_babe22uk
I have said in another thread!
The reason I am here is I feel secure in the knowledge that if I have a problem there are people that would help me to sort them out.
If you had the members voting for ops or mods it would go down the route if your face fits.
They have to be non bias and non judgemental and in having a members vote would I believe take this emphasise away. You could end up with a I’ll scratch your back you can scratch mine scenarios, the in and out crowds
Luckily I have never had to make a complaint but have asked mods and ops questions in the past and have always felt that I have been given a fair and just response.
So why change something that seems to be working?

quite agree
why meddle with wots not broke
folks forget the mods and ops do this in there free time
and they also have familys to look after let alone have fun themselves
Mods have fun too? :shock:
The mods and ops are not politicians! They effectively "police" the site.
I don't get to vote for any of the law enforcements officers to say whether they'd do a good job so why mods/ops?
The system is fine as is ...
On a tangent, what is with these posts about changing rules etc? If it aint broke don't fix it!
Quote by Theladyisaminx
I have said in another thread!
The reason I am here is I feel secure in the knowledge that if I have a problem there are people that would help me to sort them out.
If you had the members voting for ops or mods it would go down the route if your face have to be non bias and non judgemental and in having a members vote would I believe take this emphasise away. You could end up with a I’ll scratch your back you can scratch mine scenarios, the in and out crowds
Luckily I have never had to make a complaint but have asked mods and ops questions in the past and have always felt that I have been given a fair and just response.
So why change something that seems to be working?

Sorry if I sound like an idiot here but is that not the way it is done now, with ops and mods voting for new ones? dunno
As far as I am aware, and I may be wrong, to become an op or mod, it is those very same people who decide whether or not you can be one? So you apply, all the mods and ops sit down and have a vote. Is that right or wrong as it is something I have been told happens.
If that is the case if you have had a run in with an op or mod, there is no way they are going to vote for you. Also if you are not well known you dont stand a chance either. I hope I am not wrong on this though. lol So it could well be if your " face fits ".
Well, this is more like it, a thread that's got some bollocks.
I find it rather strange that such am important thread has ONLY been commented by one
Moderator... confused:
Without naming anyone or a recent incident,
I have come to the conclusion that Moderators need
to be every 4 years.
With a maximum of 2 terms being served after an election after the 4th year.
Like an 'American Presidential System' where
a person can ONLY be in The White House for
8 years OR two consecutive terms in office.
This means in the perfect manner that democracy can have progression & NOT get stale.
The only thing is that not everyone is a fan of who has power. Yet that is the nature of democracy.
Recently, I was thinking about this in terms when dealing with.....
Anyways, am not going there.
It's time that Swinging Heaven 'changed the game' & became fresher.
I recommend that the current set of Moderators
step-down & an election takes place for replacements.
Now certain members might think that because they consider themsleves popular they would gain enough votes to gain power & leverage in this community.
I have more faith in the members of this community, in selecting people that CAN do the role.
Another important point, is a member whom likes the idea of being a candidate :idea:
Must realize that other members can question their previous conduct & eligibility.... :?
Also a fail-safe, in case a member get's unfairly kicked out are the other Moderators & Admin.
Another rule could be.... a member that is banned has 24hrs from the time that they open the PM infoming them of this. In which they can appeal.
Does this exist or more importantly what is the current procedure of banning members on this website... :?:
I would very much appreciate an answer...any Moderators please answer this.
Ohhhh...I would never want to become a Moderator. Am far too controversial, some members like me & others....
From,
Wunderhorse.
I haven't read the thread fully but I will try later.
Quote by Wunderhorse
I find it rather strange that such am important thread has ONLY been commented by one
Moderator... confused:

This made me laugh though. Wunderhorse you say that as if we are afraid to post or are hiding something.
I never saw this thread last night, maybe I was in bed when it was started.
I have just got home from work and now need cook dinner rolleyes
Quote by Deviants
Don’t think it would work to be honest.
It would just become a popularity contest rather than people voting for the best person/s to do the job.

Agreed :thumbup:
It's a swinging site anyway, not a democracy. It's a business and makes money for someone. In my opinion, anyone who actually strives to be a mod and asks for it, probably shouldn't be.
Some good points there wunderhorse..
There are a few flaws though..
How would you know that a replacement mod/op was actually a replacement at all? They all seem to have other nic's and maybe their "alter-ego" is the one "selected" or "elected" to continue after.
Who would count the votes? The "vanilla" Electoral Reform Society?
I think it has to be said that the present team is well balanced and doing a very good job. This is a commercial site after all and competition in business is always welcome; it keeps this site focused and in the forefront.
Many have tried to emulate it and have failed miserably. Many will try to emulate it and will fail miserably. There is a significant investment at stake here - make no mistake. The improvements made to the chat rooms over the past couple of years is evidence of the commitment of the owners and long may it continue.
As they said in the trenches in WW1 (not that I remember of course - although the Sarge might pmsl) if you can find a better hole, go there!
Quote by kentswingers777
I have said in another thread!
The reason I am here is I feel secure in the knowledge that if I have a problem there are people that would help me to sort them out.
If you had the members voting for ops or mods it would go down the route if your face have to be non bias and non judgemental and in having a members vote would I believe take this emphasise away. You could end up with a I’ll scratch your back you can scratch mine scenarios, the in and out crowds
Luckily I have never had to make a complaint but have asked mods and ops questions in the past and have always felt that I have been given a fair and just response.
So why change something that seems to be working?

Sorry if I sound like an idiot here but is that not the way it is done now, with ops and mods voting for new ones? dunno
As far as I am aware, and I may be wrong, to become an op or mod, it is those very same people who decide whether or not you can be one? So you apply, all the mods and ops sit down and have a vote. Is that right or wrong as it is something I have been told happens.
If that is the case if you have had a run in with an op or mod, there is no way they are going to vote for you. Also if you are not well known you dont stand a chance either. I hope I am not wrong on this though. lol So it could well be if your " face fits ".
My comments were in answer to the original post, where I understood the vote to be all members being, anyone that if registered on this site would vote.
Democracy is overrated and in fact thrives on an argumentative environment. It is difficult enough attempting to conduct a discussion or argument in this medium without it descending into insults and too much heat.
I reckon the best system is a benevolent dictatorship, which is pretty close to what we have here already.
I 'vote' fer no change.
.
What's the shift roster like for a mod?
Who mods the system at 4am when the night shift mod needs a break?
What happens when a mod nods off?
What happens when a mod sods off?
What happens when a mod takes his socks off?
If more than one mod gets together with another mod in a huddle is it known as a muddle? Or is it a cuddle? If one likes squirting is it a puddle?
Do mods have office gadgets to play with?
What happens at the mods xmas party?
If there are mods what do the rockers do?
I have to grow up one day.................... rolleyes
Quote by duncanlondon
What's the shift roster like for a mod?
Who mods the system at 4am when the night shift mod needs a break?
What happens when a mod nods off?
What happens when a mod sods off?
What happens when a mod takes his socks off?
If more than one mod gets together with another mod in a huddle is it known as a muddle? Or is it a cuddle? If one likes squirting is it a puddle?
Do mods have office gadgets to play with?
What happens at the mods xmas party?
If there are mods what do the rockers do?
I have to grow up one day.................... rolleyes

:laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove: :laughabove:
Quote by Calista
On a tangent, what is with these posts about changing rules etc? If it aint broke don't fix it!

I thought that Cali. Way I see it, there are two types of members - paying or free. Paying members can vote with their feet and go elsewhere if they don't like something. Free ones, well they're getting it all free so can hardly complain.
Either way, stop bloody moaning!
Quote by Dawnie
I haven't read the thread fully but I will try later.

I find it rather strange that such am important thread has ONLY been commented by one
Moderator... confused:

This made me laugh though. Wunderhorse you say that as if we are afraid to post or are hiding something.
I never saw this thread last night, maybe I was in bed when it was started.
I have just got home from work and now need cook dinner rolleyes
What, you get time to have a real life as well :shock:
Wonderhorse, I am also not afraid to comment, I just really have not had the time as I also have a real life which sometimes, just sometimes, needs to have a little of my attention.
As for my views on whether a mod/op should be voted on, well I dont think I should give my opinion, cause it seems as a mod/op, we are not allowed to have an opinion, or a vote.
Plus Im too busy wading through the hundreds of pics which are uploaded each day and the abuse reports which submitted about site members who are doing things they really should not being doing. wink
(and all of the above was said with my tongue firmly stuck in my cheek) biggrin
I as do all the mods/ops and admin do a good job if we didn't think that I'm sure we would be adult enough to admit it and either resign from the post or even walk away from the site.
I think what most people who have posted here don't realise is that we are subject to the same rules and regulations as the rest of the members here and in fact we are more closer scrutinized because we have a couple of extras buttons.
We are not scared to post as some one had suggested, as the owners of this site believe in free speech and do not govern what we say, but if we step out of line then we are punished like any one else.
As far as I am aware the present system works and I don't see it changing in the very near future.
All of us admin team care about this place passionately and that includes the site owners I know for a fact.
We do this job because we care and for no other reason.
We have fun when we can and treat everyone with respect and sometimes even (cough) some Scottish humor and some may even like to see "the yellow star" arrive in their room cos they know that it is some one they can turn to for advice and that they can trust.
They might never have met the ops but personalities do come across with the way people conduct them selves thro chat or posting in the forum.
We are here primarily to help people and whether that be by interacting or helping them with a chat problem or even banning some one because they can't act like adults.
All of us try our best and I'm sure most of this site sees it that way.
Oh!! End of rant by the way lol
Oooh! Can I be a Mod? Please?

:rascal:
So long as I get to listen to rockers music, of course.
Anyhoo, question. If it ain't broke.....
However, just out of curiosity- has a mod ever had their modness (modernity?) revoked?
Quote by winchwench
Anyhoo, question. If it ain't broke.....

But what if it is broke?
I do like your style Flower rotflmao :thumbup:
But.... and the end of the day this is a business to make money for the 4 tops that own the site, for us its fun and enjoyment, and for me thats where it stays, but I do like the fact that you came be open and ask questions like this because in a lot of comapnies you would be gone by now. cool
Quote by Peanut

Anyhoo, question. If it ain't broke.....

But what if it is broke?
What if it isn't?
Dave_Notts
Quote by Dave__Notts

Anyhoo, question. If it ain't broke.....

But what if it is broke?
What if it isn't?
Dave_Notts
If there's complaints it must be.
:P
Quote by duncanlondon
What's the shift roster like for a mod?
Who mods the system at 4am when the night shift mod needs a break?
What happens when a mod nods off?
What happens when a mod sods off?
What happens when a mod takes his socks off?
If more than one mod gets together with another mod in a huddle is it known as a muddle? Or is it a cuddle? If one likes squirting is it a puddle?
Do mods have office gadgets to play with?
What happens at the mods xmas party?
If there are mods what do the rockers do?
I have to grow up one day.................... rolleyes

no dont ever grow up biggrin lol :lol:
Quote by Peanut
If there's complaints it must be.
:P

But the majority of the complaints are from a very small number of site users. If the site was as bad as you make out Peanut, we would not have the membership we have, and to be honest, if you dislike the place, the rules, the mods and the ops, why keep logging on?
Quote by Naughty Wigan Couple

If there's complaints it must be.
:P

But the majority of the complaints are from a very small number of site users. If the site was as bad as you make out Peanut, we would not have the membership we have, and to be honest, if you dislike the place, the rules, the mods and the ops, why keep logging on?
Because none of those things are of consequence to me. It's the members I come here for... and I don't mean in an attempt to shag them either.
can i ask an obvious question ... why do you come here then? lol
Quote by willing2try_4
can i ask an obvious question ... why do you come here then? lol

It's not an obvious question when I already gave the answer before you asked.
well as a purely amateur in this forum, i kinda get the impression you dont like most of the people in here, so thoguht the question apt, my personal opinion after reading several threads though biggrin
Quote by Wunderhorse
Another rule could be.... a member that is banned has 24hrs from the time that they open the PM infoming them of this. In which they can appeal.
Does this exist or more importantly what is the current procedure of banning members on this website... confused:
I would very much appreciate an answer...any Moderators please answer this.
From,
Wunderhorse.

I've never quoted myself in this community before...an historic first. :idea:
Therefore could I please have an answer to this question, please... :?:
Any Moderator will do
.
Why that could be the title for a new Graham Norton Saturday Night BBC 1 Show....
'Any Moderator will Do' with Andrew Lloyd Webber.
Now that would be a show .... :shock:
From,
Wunderhorse.
Quote by winchwench
However, just out of curiosity- has a mod ever had their modness (modernity?) revoked?

This bit in my post answers your question wenchy
I think what most people who have posted here don't realise is that we are subject to the same rules and regulations as the rest of the members here and in fact we are more closely scrutinized because we have a couple of extras buttons.
Quote by Wunderhorse
Another rule could be.... a member that is banned has 24hrs from the time that they open the PM infoming them of this. In which they can appeal.
Does this exist or more importantly what is the current procedure of banning members on this website... confused:
I would very much appreciate an answer...any Moderators please answer this.
From,
Wunderhorse.

I've never quoted myself in this community before...an historic first. :idea:
Therefore could I please have an answer to this question, please... :?:
Any Moderator will do
.
Why that could be the title for a new Graham Norton Saturday Night BBC 1 Show....
'Any Moderator will Do' with Andrew Lloyd Webber.
Now that would be a show .... :shock:
From,
Wunderhorse.
I'll answer to the best of my ability for you.
If your banned, you wouldn't be able to open a pm informing you of it (anyone correct me if I'm wrong in this please). Anyone who is banned does get a message when they log in, either giving a reason why or asking them to contact Admin regarding their account. A note is made as to why a ban has taken place so Admin can look that up and contact a moderator/chat op for more information if necessary.
I don't think there is a time limit to appeal as such, but it is best to do it as soon as you know this has happened. For example: why appeal months later? Unless there is a good reason for that of course.
Majority of bans are for short time periods and the member concerned is told how long it is. At times its more of a time-out or cooling off period.
Anais x