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Do classic handsome looks spoil a man?

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Is there a difference between knowing you can go into a pub and be able to pull - and going into a pub and pulling the ones you want? (just a question)
Dont think i get the question,but this is my take on it.
What would be the point of pulling someone you didnt want dunno but yes there will always be those you dont desire trying to pull you i guess.
Nicky
Being a people watcher, the Christmas works parties (usually in large hotel venues with other companies sharing the disco after dinner) and smaller department drinkie sessions (which lead on to some nightclub filled with hormone enraged adolescents) is a fabulous time for me.
I referred to teenagers and young adults in my initial post as it was the behaviours of these people which struck me the most. The packs of giggling girlies hunting out the potential trophy guy to snog was far more apparent than any male hunting activities.
Jostling for prime eye line positioning to dance like a Pussy Cat Doll in an attempt to grab the handsome male’s attention. Tops and blouses being repositioned to give maximum cleavage – along with back arching to maximise the effect (which a Russian gymnast would have needed 3 years training to achieve). In this domain the handsome male does indeed appear to be the lion and king of his adoring pride. Or, another way to put it – have the power turned in his favour.
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What would be the point of pulling someone you didnt want dunno but yes there will always be those you dont desire trying to pull you i guess.
Nicky

i would say this goes inline with PL's booze n bonking thread
it depends on how much you;ve had and how rose tinted those glasses are
Earthy xx
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Is there a difference between knowing you can go into a pub and be able to pull - and going into a pub and pulling the ones you want? (just a question)

I think so-the person you're interested in might not be interested in you or be married/gay/a martian whatever.
Just because I have in the past been lucky when on the pull, doesn't mean I always will ;)
I wouldn't however pull someone I didn't want to just for the sake of it confused
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2) I would be wary of their attitude/personality. A lot of handsome men know they are handsome and arrogance isn't endearing.

What may have cultivated that arrogance and gave them the opinion that held the upper hand? This is part of my musing – does that not suggest, that at some point, women did the chasing after them to give them this inflated perception of them self?
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Just because I have in the past been lucky when on the pull, doesn't mean I always will ;)

A lot depends on how much confidence you display ;)
Of course it does and as you know Scandal - I am somewhat lacking in that department, hence the reason for the word 'lucky' in my post ;)
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2) I would be wary of their attitude/personality. A lot of handsome men know they are handsome and arrogance isn't endearing.

What may have cultivated that arrogance and gave them the opinion that held the upper hand? This is part of my musing – does that not suggest, that at some point, women did the chasing after them to give them this inflated perception of them self?
Yes it does, but not being the type to chase after said handsome men, I can safely say that I had no part in the making of the beast ;)
I do see your point Polo and referring to the nightclub situation you mentioned, I have seen the same sort of thing myself rolleyes but I don't go to clubs that often (and when I do they tend to be gay clubs) so maybe the different environment plays a part ? ie pub vs club ?
I see women as being the one's in control, mostly they pick and choose who they want and, for all my openess, humour and empathy with them and my genuine interest in them and their feelings, it ain't usually me!
But I wouldn't change who I am just to 'pull' more.
I wish I had that elusive look that attracts them but I don't, I'm no Johnny Depp but nor are a lot of other blokes!
By the time I read all the posts, I forgot what the question was redface
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Interesting musings PL..
In general I have to say that I probably wouldn't make initial contact with (what society deems) a stunningly handsome man for a few reasons:
1) I wouldn't have the confidence.
2) I would be wary of their attitude/personality. A lot of handsome men know they are handsome and arrogance isn't endearing.
If I get chatted up by someone I consider out of my league I am dubious about their motives-I am not expecting marriage but I want to at least feel fancied! ;)
However, a man doesn't need to be conventionally gorgeous for me to fancy him-personality and a GSOH are more important to me than looks ( I know it's a cliche but it's true-if a man can't make me laugh he's got no hopes). This applies both if I am arranging a meet through here or out on the pull with my mates ;)
I have to agree with Maz and Den-I find I have no trouble "pulling" if I am out with my mates, whereas my single male friends are not often so lucky. Does this mean women have the upper hand in both societies ?

I agree with Binxy except for the last bit, I've never had any luck 'pulling' as I don't have the confidence to be pro-active about it and leave it up to the guys to do the 'pulling' and thus the lack of success, does that mean I have the power or they do? Also, one person's 'hunk' is another person's turn off, Bradd Pitt is supposed to be the epitomy of male beauty yet does nothing for me. And like Sassy, having read the whole thread I can't remember what the question was and have no idea whether I've answered it or not.
H.x
lol, dont think the original question is very clear to be honest, seems to start on one thing and drift slowly into something completely different! But think you might have answered the first part maybe, sort of??
Don’t worry – the original questions are not the actual questions – they are merely there to start the thought process and explain some background to mine. Rather than the post being a specific question, as it says it is more to theorise and open up discussion to a broader rage of thoughts around a few generalised yet linked observations and subjects – something a closed or overly focused question would inhibit. In summary: these are some of my thoughts – let’s see where it goes.
It can be much more fun when things are left to be unpredictable wink
ok, heres something i think. There is maybe too much made of the "swinging world" and vanilla world" thing.
I have lots of different interests and groups of people i know, i dont have a "football world". its all my world, and everything is a part of that, and to be honest just treat them all the same.
i hate the whole vanilla this, vanilla that, swinger friend etc etc. a friend is a friend, swinging is part of what makes up a big picture, it isnt who you some people get a bit caught up trying to analyse everything and put it in boxes, but dont think thats possible.
I would have to say that I think there is a difference.
For example are you saying that if a man was bi he would find it just as easy to walk into a pub and talk about sucking a cock as he would on a swinging site?
I think that is why many people often refer to the swinging world and the vanilla world - to differentiate between the perceived reactions and attitudes of people.
well of course thats different, but thats cos your talking to a different group of people, not a different world!
i would chat away to my mates about shagging but wouldnt do to my mum or dad.

For example are you saying that if a man was bi he would find it just as easy to walk into a pub and talk about sucking a cock as he would on a swinging site?
just thinking of the reaction I would get lol :lol: redface mad :shock: .... mmmmmixed emotions
When i was in my twenties,my wife and i split up for just over a year,so i use to go out alot at the weekends with my mates....i was obvioulsy going out on the pull...i found by just standing around talking to my mates and not pestering or leering over the women that i had a better chance of pulling....most of the time they approached me and chatted me up!...i assume this was because of my looks.....and my winning smile!.....as for the swinging scene......i believe the attraction to other couples lies with my wife now!
Have to agree with mazandden, swinging is a lifestyle and the people in the lifestyle are more sexualy openminded, that has nothing to do with the labelled "vanilla world" the same world we live in on a daily basis while out shopping or doing our jobs etc etc, people on here are differentiating between 2 different interests and thats it, not worlds, the same applies between race and religion yet it is seen as racist to assume theres a difference on this, so why is it so important to apply labels to everthing? and to kiss's comment it really depends who's in the pub at the time, we go to pubs or are you saying people on here put up barriers when they hit the log out button, the pub could be full of members from various swinging sites for all we would know, The same could possibly be said for a straight or bi female entering a gay club. but even though this is a swinging site i still wouldn't assume that people on here are all happy to listen to a bi male talking about sucking a cock, but like the other post on the first page most deny it anyhow so it would be highly unlikely they'd want to tell a crowded pub anyhow if they won't even admit it to liberated adults. we're just more tolerant when it comes to sexual behaviour and thats it.
Anyway back to the initial question PL, we both see this when in clubs but i don't know if you notice the same as us but we've concluded that it seems to be the younger generation of female who hunt for the so called attractive male, but we've also noticed that its the opposite with the older ladies that the chasing then becomes done more by the male, so in theory the so called attractive male thinks he only has to bat an eyelid to pull which might be true in his teens if the evidence you see in clubs has any bearing on this, but the older the so called attractive man becomes then if he keeps with this thinking then his chances of being successfull will trully evoporate if the evidence is anything to go by. Girls love cocky show off males, whereas Ladies hate them, hope all this makes sense biggrin
But isn't it the case for either gender? The beautiful people of this world (I call them 'shiny') will always expect to be chased after and faught over wont they? Which begs the question, how do shiny men and women ever get together if both are expecting the other to do the chasing?
H.x
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But isn't it the case for either gender? The beautiful people of this world (I call them 'shiny') will always expect to be chased after and faught over wont they? Which begs the question, how do shiny men and women ever get together if both are expecting the other to do the chasing?
H.x

lol
intrestinfg from my adolence clubing it happened fit girls looked for fit blokes, fit blokes looked for anything in a skirt...........
Mike
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i was obvioulsy going out on the pull...i found by just standing around talking to my mates and not pestering or leering over the women that i had a better chance of pulling....most of the time they approached me and chatted me up!...

I've noticed this aswell but from the other side of things.........when I was at uni and when out with the girls......(generally to some awful sticky carpet club :shock: ) there would be two type of blokes.......the ones trying to pull anything in a skirt and the others stood in the corner having a quiet pint with there mates.......and to me the more attractive ones were the ones just having a quiet drink with their mates, I'm not sure why this was........maybe they seemed more mysterious, maybe they seemed more attractive as they were 'harder' to pull than the ones who were obviously out on the pull........I've no idea really why, but I think it's safe to say that they probably had more success than the guys who were flirting with anything that moved........
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But isn't it the case for either gender? The beautiful people of this world (I call them 'shiny') will always expect to be chased after and faught over wont they? Which begs the question, how do shiny men and women ever get together if both are expecting the other to do the chasing?
H.x

Good point :thumbup: ( love the 'shiny' reference too :giggle: )
Not being a member of the 'shiny' world, if I see someone who's outrageously gorgeous then I wouldn't make the first move. I do think that some if not most, of the beautiful people tend to look for other beautiful people ( one exception being Billy Piper and Chris Evans of course confused ) so I wouldn't stand a chance.
Sorry to be crass but I always 'punch above my weight' as I love a challenge.
If somebody is classicaly beautiful but has an ego the size of a house they instantly become extremely unattractive to me.
Of course I enjoy casting my eye over somebody who is attractive, but they have to be nice too.
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But isn't it the case for either gender? The beautiful people of this world (I call them 'shiny') will always expect to be chased after and faught over wont they? Which begs the question, how do shiny men and women ever get together if both are expecting the other to do the chasing?
H.x

Good point :thumbup: ( love the 'shiny' reference too :giggle: )
Not being a member of the 'shiny' world, if I see someone who's outrageously gorgeous then I wouldn't make the first move. I do think that some if not most, of the beautiful people tend to look for other beautiful people ( one exception being Billy Piper and Chris Evans of course confused ) so I wouldn't stand a chance.
We have had the same things when browsing the couples ads..
We see a couple who seem to share all the same interests as us but because they are,to us at least, members of the "shiny" brigade we dont bother to contact as we are quite certain a knockback would ensue... sad
I tend to carry this frame of mind with me when I am looking for myself as well... :(
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i was obvioulsy going out on the pull...i found by just standing around talking to my mates and not pestering or leering over the women that i had a better chance of pulling....most of the time they approached me and chatted me up!...

I've noticed this aswell but from the other side of things.........when I was at uni and when out with the girls......(generally to some awful sticky carpet club :shock: ) there would be two type of blokes.......the ones trying to pull anything in a skirt and the others stood in the corner having a quiet pint with there mates.......and to me the more attractive ones were the ones just having a quiet drink with their mates, I'm not sure why this was........maybe they seemed more mysterious, maybe they seemed more attractive as they were 'harder' to pull than the ones who were obviously out on the pull........I've no idea really why, but I think it's safe to say that they probably had more success than the guys who were flirting with anything that moved........
exactly!......they were clearly the smarter one's....as the other guys just reeked of desperation!!.......and desperation in an unattractive quailty!
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I do think that some if not most, of the beautiful people tend to look for other beautiful people ( one exception being Billy Piper and Chris Evans of course confused ) so I wouldn't stand a chance.

surely youre not suggesting that Billy Piper is ugly?
lp
Obviously some shiny people think they're God's gift & never have to try. However, I've known some plain/ugly feckers who are just as pretentious.
Knowing you're God's gift & thinking you're God's gift both involve the same attitude- they just get different results!
I'm no oil painting (well possibly a Picasso) but I have noticed this much. If I've made a major effort to get glammed up for a night out guy's will give me the eye but not speak to me. If I'm just looking "nice" they approach far more.
How much of this is blokes thinking " I wouldn't stand a chance" and how much of it is them thinking "pretentious cow"? *
*Neither is true-if you're breathing, you're in with a fighting chance
redface
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"seduce my mind, and you are more likely to get to seduce my body" biggrin

That's what I said in a thread once though I don't think mine was as ladylike :giggle:
Question for you Polo....
If this hypothetical "Classically Good looking man" has no problems getting the attention of the opposite sex then why would they be drawn to the swinging world in the first place ?
Would it be more plausible to follow a line of thought that said if such an individual came here it was because they were interested in a lifestyle that spared them the unwanted attentions of those only interested in their looks and not their whole personality?
Having seen in Vanilla world as you like to refer to it yes some especially good looking people can get arrogant but equally I have known stunningly beautiful women who complain about never getting asked out !! and occasionally complaints from good looking men about the constant attention based only on their looks !!! Now there's something I would love to be able to complain about !!
IMHO the looks is always a distraction .... I'll admit sometimes a very welcome distraction but there always has to be a personality you like to back it up.
Oh and Winch Wench I am almost certain you are being subjected more to the she's out of my league problem when in full dazzle mode than the she's up herself...that or they know what you could do to them if they upset you.....
bolt
Don't think really answered the question but I believe musing was allowed...
smile
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<---------------------------------- no lady here :grin:

It warms my heart ( and other places :twisted: ) to hear that innocent