Do they know its Christmas?

5 Nov 2008

Quote by browning
Christmas offends me, it costs a bloody fortune! :shock:

Your also right there.
This Christmas will be a nightmare for most, what with the credit crunch. My kids will not be getting as much as they usually do.
I still say it is a wonderful time of the year, and Christmas Eve is such a lovely day.

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Zeddies

Do I really have to define "ethnic minority" for you? It's a commonly used phrase that most people understand.
No I don't believe it's generalising full stop, let alone extremely. There are very few, if any white people with religions that don't celebrate Christmas who speak out about how offended they are by Christmas.
The point I was making, which seems totally lost on you, is that certain people, most commonly people who have religions and customs that have been imported into the UK, who always seem to be offended about something or other. For example, the moslem women doing an impression of Batman get the hump and are offended if they are told to take off their ridiculous garb due to security concerns. People were outraged and offended by a Danish cartoon, people were offended when they were told they had to take off their headgear whilst riding a motorcycle. Certain people just love it and look for reasons to be offended if for no other reason than the simple fact it gets them noticed.
It's customary for visitors to a country to follow the rules and traditions of the country they are in... with the exception it seems of the UK. Over here it's the Brits that have to change their customs and traditions in case we offend the visitors.
In a nutshell Peanut thinks it's fucking ridiculous.

As you seem to be so well read on the subject, I think you may be able to enlighten me, regarding muslim women they wearing the burqa. I thought that it has little to do with religion more to do with the cultural background or am I wrong.

No I'm not well read on the subject. I find religion (any religion) rather boring and somewhat silly.
Judging by the way this sub-thread is appearing to go you are unwittingly starting to prove my point.
No I'm not picking on the muslims, no I'm not singling out any religion, you're doing that well enough without my help. As it happens I was referring to ethnic minorities, so that encompasses both religion and culture. You're the one who seems to have narrowed it down to religion only.

Who was offended by the cartoon? wasn't it a small minority or are you just generalising again, are they muslims?

Are you forgetting that I was referring to a sub-group of people who were looking to be offended. I wasn't referring to every person. rolleyes

Which people were offended when they were told they had to take off their headgear whilst riding a motorcycle? or is that a generalisation again, are they muslims? Least make yourself a bit clearer.

This paragraph speaks volumes to me. You seem intent on being an offended muslim by thinking that I'm having a pop at muslims. You would be mistaken. The headgear and bikes was based the Sikh's exemption from having to wear a crash helmet (stemming from a court case in the 80s I think).

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Zeddies
There did seem a hell of a lot demonstrating in London over the cartoons, If my memory serves me right there was someone wearing a certain jacket, for which he was arrested for. :shock:

So who was demonstrating? Not all muslims but a minority of muslims.
Where did you get the idea that ALL muslims were being referred to?

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Peanut
There did seem a hell of a lot demonstrating in London over the cartoons, If my memory serves me right there was someone wearing a certain jacket, for which he was arrested for. :shock:

So who was demonstrating? Not all muslims but a minority of muslims.
Where did you get the idea that ALL muslims were being referred to?
Well you never made it clear a small minority were offended. Instead you put people and kentswingers had some I idea there was alot of demonstrating, part of free speach. Everytime there has been a something on the forum regarding religion or religious intolerances you examples include muslims. I question how much you really know and how much is you reading the papers and believing everything they say is true?

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Peanut
This paragraph speaks volumes to me. You seem intent on being an offended muslim by thinking that I'm having a pop at muslims. You would be mistaken. The headgear and bikes was based the Sikh's exemption from having to wear a crash helmet (stemming from a court case in the 80s I think).

I love the way you put it speaks volumes, I am never offended and would never be offended by someone who thinks they know more than I do. Questions why I had to mention wasn't muslims for you then to write was Sikh's that is false. It was a Sikh in the Police force how didn't want to remove his headgear and wear the helmet. The motorbike crash helmet was a Rasta not wanting to show his 7 locks, in small heath Birmingham.

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Zeddies
There did seem a hell of a lot demonstrating in London over the cartoons, If my memory serves me right there was someone wearing a certain jacket, for which he was arrested for. :shock:

So who was demonstrating? Not all muslims but a minority of muslims.
Where did you get the idea that ALL muslims were being referred to?
Well you never made it clear a small minority were offended. Instead you put people and kentswingers had some I idea there was alot of demonstrating, part of free speach.

I'm sure how well your English skills are. I'm not meaning to be offensive but several of your comments relate to things I'm supposed to have written but you haven't apparently understood them.
This is one case in point. What I actually said was... "The point I was making, which seems totally lost on you, is that certain people, most commonly people who have religions and customs that have been imported into the UK, who always seem to be offended about something or other."
To me that means a subset, it does not mean every person on the planet who comes under the heading of ethnic minority.

Everytime there has been a something on the forum regarding religion or religious intolerances you examples include muslims. I question how much you really know and how much is you reading the papers and believing everything they say is true?

The only time I use muslims as an example is when it's relevant to the conversation I'm in. Personally I couldn't give a flying fuck whether someone is muslim, hindu or a Jedi fricken' Knight. What is far more relevant to me are people's actions.
As for the newspapers, I haven't read a newspaper in more than 10 years (with the exception of occasionally waiting for my meal to show up in the Chinese takeaway), and I've never, ever bought a newspaper on a regular basis. My reason not not reading or buying them is precisely because I think they report news in a biased way, if indeed it is news that is being reported. So ultimately you've got your last comment so wrong it couldn't be more incorrect.
But back to the comment that started this sub-thread. I still think that it's ridiculous for an immigrant to come to a country that offends his/her sensibilities whether that be cultural or belief. For example I wouldn't dream of moving to Indonesia because their lack of separation between religion and government is ludicrous, but if I did I'd expect to have to follow the rules and culture of the state.
We, in the UK, are so intent on not trying to offend people that we offend people. This is what happens when one tries to affect all the people all the time. Over the last few decades whatever small amount of customs and culture Britain had has been eroded to the point that there is pretty much nothing left that is truly British.

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Zeddies
This paragraph speaks volumes to me. You seem intent on being an offended muslim by thinking that I'm having a pop at muslims. You would be mistaken. The headgear and bikes was based the Sikh's exemption from having to wear a crash helmet (stemming from a court case in the 80s I think).

I love the way you put it speaks volumes, I am never offended and would never be offended by someone who thinks they know more than I do.

Suit yourself, but you are certainly giving a good impression of being offended. When the hell have I said I know more than you? I even told you that I am not well read on the subject. I know fuck all about religious matters and actively make sure I know nothing about it because as I said I find the subject boring and silly. So where you got that assumption from I have no idea.

Questions why I had to mention wasn't muslims for you then to write was Sikh's that is false. It was a Sikh in the Police force how didn't want to remove his headgear and wear the helmet. The motorbike crash helmet was a Rasta not wanting to show his 7 locks, in small heath Birmingham.

So now you're telling me what I remember, there seems to be an element of pot, kettle, black going on here.
And no I'm not confusing a Rasta and a Sikh. It was prior to when helmets became compulsory in 1977. It was the reason why the 1976 exemption to the Road Traffic act came about.

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Peanut
The only time I use muslims as an example is when it's relevant to the conversation I'm in. Personally I couldn't give a flying fuck whether someone is muslim, hindu or a Jedi fricken' Knight. What is far more relevant to me are people's actions.

Strong use of language, I don't understand how Muslims are relevant to xmas apart from most celebrate it. surprised

Quote by Peanut
As for the newspapers, I haven't read a newspaper in more than 10 years (with the exception of occasionally waiting for my meal to show up in the Chinese takeaway), and I've never, ever bought a newspaper on a regular basis. My reason not not reading or buying them is precisely because I think they report news in a biased way, if indeed it is news that is being reported. So ultimately you've got your last comment so wrong it couldn't be more incorrect.

Sorry I've got it wrong but I do agree with you alot of material out there is biased.

Quote by Peanut
But back to the comment that started this sub-thread. I still think that it's ridiculous for an immigrant to come to a country that offends his/her sensibilities whether that be cultural or belief. For example I wouldn't dream of moving to Indonesia because their lack of separation between religion and government is ludicrous, but if I did I'd expect to have to follow the rules and culture of the state.

I don't thevillians mentioned any immigrantmore councils and the PC police doing this, because they may offend someone somewhere. So if your going back to the orginal post, there is some confusion as I will openly say as a muslim if they banned use of christmas or celebration of the birth of Isa (Jesus) I would be highly offended. By the way I am not an immigrant, my parents and grandparents are british too.

Quote by Peanut
We, in the UK, are so intent on not trying to offend people that we offend people. This is what happens when one tries to affect all the people all the time. Over the last few decades whatever small amount of customs and culture Britain had has been eroded to the point that there is pretty much nothing left that is truly British.

As far as this post and the subject of christmas and offending people maybe rather than thinking people are offended it is time to ask if people are offended. The BNP often puts out alot of false info that people seem to latch onto but don't considered even if it is true. Same as the media and the PC police.
As far as people born under the british flag aboard are british (or was the case before 1947), so some of these immigrants are actually british.
British customs and cultures is a mix from when we used to go around the world and came it ours. :lol: Sadly somethings we did were wrong but things happen. I don't understand how customs and culture has been eroded? and what is truly British?

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Peanut
Suit yourself, but you are certainly giving a good impression of being offended. When the hell have I said I know more than you? I even told you that I am not well read on the subject. I know fuck all about religious matters and actively make sure I know nothing about it because as I said I find the subject boring and silly. So where you got that assumption from I have no idea.

so now your telling me i'm offend which I am not rotflmao

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Zeddies
The only time I use muslims as an example is when it's relevant to the conversation I'm in. Personally I couldn't give a flying fuck whether someone is muslim, hindu or a Jedi fricken' Knight. What is far more relevant to me are people's actions.

Strong use of language, I don't understand how Muslims are relevant to xmas apart from most celebrate it. surprised

I use language to communicate, as do all people. I use terms that gets across my sentiment. In this instance the expression was perfect to demonstrate my total lack of interest in someone's belief in relation to my behaviour or feelings towards them.

As for the newspapers, I haven't read a newspaper in more than 10 years (with the exception of occasionally waiting for my meal to show up in the Chinese takeaway), and I've never, ever bought a newspaper on a regular basis. My reason not not reading or buying them is precisely because I think they report news in a biased way, if indeed it is news that is being reported. So ultimately you've got your last comment so wrong it couldn't be more incorrect.

Sorry I've got it wrong but I do agree with you alot of material out there is biased.

Fair enough, you were expected to know and it's a conclusion that is likely to be correct. In this instance it wasn't that's all.

But back to the comment that started this sub-thread. I still think that it's ridiculous for an immigrant to come to a country that offends his/her sensibilities whether that be cultural or belief. For example I wouldn't dream of moving to Indonesia because their lack of separation between religion and government is ludicrous, but if I did I'd expect to have to follow the rules and culture of the state.

I don't thevillians mentioned any immigrantmore councils and the PC police doing this, because they may offend someone somewhere. So if your going back to the orginal post, there is some confusion as I will openly say as a muslim if they banned use of christmas or celebration of the birth of Isa (Jesus) I would be highly offended. By the way I am not an immigrant, my parents and grandparents are british too.

I was referring to this sub-thread, not the thread started by the OP.
I should also make it clear that I don't think all this bollocks about banning Christmas is something that is called for by muslims or any other religion. In this it's white, liberal politicians who are doing it because they believe that we should just in case it offends anyone. This is my point, or at least one of them.
1. I wasn't referring to you as being an immigrant.
2. A British citizen can still be an immigrant. Having a British passport is not the same as being a British resident.

We, in the UK, are so intent on not trying to offend people that we offend people. This is what happens when one tries to affect all the people all the time. Over the last few decades whatever small amount of customs and culture Britain had has been eroded to the point that there is pretty much nothing left that is truly British.

As far as this post and the subject of christmas and offending people maybe rather than thinking people are offended it is time to ask if people are offended. The BNP often puts out alot of false info that people seem to latch onto but don't considered even if it is true. Same as the media and the PC police.

In my experience (and I live in a very multi-cultural area) nobody is offended and most of the time get into the swing of things. For example, I frequently see Asian families going out buying Christmas presents. For them it isn't a religious thing it's just a western culture they are integrating into their own lives.

As far as people born under the british flag aboard are british (or was the case before 1947), so some of these immigrants are actually british.
British customs and cultures is a mix from when we used to go around the world and came it ours. :lol: Sadly somethings we did were wrong but things happen. I don't understand how customs and culture has been eroded? and what is truly British?

The fact that you have to ask that question shows that there is next to nothing left that can be said to be traditionally British. Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of these people who shout about Britain should be for the British, but it is rather sad to see, for example, schools not allowing kids to bring xmas pressies in for mates, teaching all about foreign religions yet next to nothing about Christianity (personally I wish RE wasn't a compulsory subject) and basically all the political correctness crap that isn't being asked for by minorities but is being offered by liberal fuckwits who have nothing better to do with their time.

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Zeddies

Suit yourself, but you are certainly giving a good impression of being offended. When the hell have I said I know more than you? I even told you that I am not well read on the subject. I know fuck all about religious matters and actively make sure I know nothing about it because as I said I find the subject boring and silly. So where you got that assumption from I have no idea.

so now your telling me i'm offend which I am not rotflmao

I'm not telling you anything, what I'm pointing out is the observation that you appear to be.

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Peanut
A British citizen can still be an immigrant. Having a British passport is not the same as being a British resident.

From British now you go on to British citizen and British Resident? What are you trying to clarify? What is british? is it an citizen or a resident? :haha:
My family past generation have been in the armed forces for britian, my late grandfather had documents that stated he was a british national not a british citizen, so what does that mean to him, if you called him anything thank british I'm sure he would have kicked butt .
So is a british resident someone that lives in britain, well you don't have to be a british citizen to live in britain, any EU citizen can live in britain. :doh:

Quote by Peanut
I'm not telling you anything, what I'm pointing out is the observation that you appear to be.

Your observations are incorrect and far from it, I am not offended but you seem to be. rotflmao

As my late grandfather used to say he and his friends fighting for britain and all the blood, sweat and toil or other nations, worship

put the Great in Great Britain, so being British the part for him was he was the Great of Britain.

5 Nov 2008

Quote by flower411
Well this clip shows some of the demo.
Not wanting to get involved, just answering your question.

Bearing in mind this was on the streets of London.

I think that clip just goes to show what a nice well behaved lot the muslim demonstrators were !! :shock:
Did I miss something ?? confused

If this is some kind of dig flower411 then my friend you have been take to be made a mug, this is an edited version showing the worst of the protest. This is by a BNP member and I am sure they are alot more video's on YouTube by them. :shock:

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Zeddies
Well this clip shows some of the demo.
Not wanting to get involved, just answering your question.

Bearing in mind this was on the streets of London.

I think that clip just goes to show what a nice well behaved lot the muslim demonstrators were !! :shock:
Did I miss something ?? confused

If this is some kind of dig flower411 then my friend you have been take to be made a mug, this is an edited version showing the worst of the protest. This is by a BNP member and I am sure they are alot more video's on YouTube by them. :shock:
actually its a video from the NEFA Foundation set up after 9/11 in America.

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Mr-Powers
Well this clip shows some of the demo.
Not wanting to get involved, just answering your question.

Bearing in mind this was on the streets of London.

I think that clip just goes to show what a nice well behaved lot the muslim demonstrators were !! :shock:
Did I miss something ?? confused

If this is some kind of dig flower411 then my friend you have been take to be made a mug, this is an edited version showing the worst of the protest. This is by a BNP member and I am sure they are alot more video's on YouTube by them. :shock:
actually its a video from the NEFA Foundation set up after 9/11 in America.
I do know what the NEFA Foundation is and why it was set-up, now you find this foundations views seem to be very biased and I have seen footage and leaflets being used by members of the BNP in West Yorkshire.

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Zeddies
.......... and what is truly British?

Fox hunting dunno

Dave_Notts

5 Nov 2008

Quote by flower411
Well this clip shows some of the demo.
Not wanting to get involved, just answering your question.

Bearing in mind this was on the streets of London.

I think that clip just goes to show what a nice well behaved lot the muslim demonstrators were !! :shock:
Did I miss something ?? confused

There were worse demonstrations than that around the world. They may be a minority but....for us to allow anyone to spout that crap on British streets was disgusting.....I wonder why the police just stood by? dunno

As we are such a tolerant country we have allowed this kind of thing to happen. The Frindsbury park Mosque was a classic example of us being tolerant. Was there not fundamentalists preaching on the street there, whilst the police stood by and did nothing. That should not be allowed no matter what religion you are " supposed " to represent.
No wonder I am an athiest. :shock:

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Zeddies
Well this clip shows some of the demo.
Not wanting to get involved, just answering your question.

Bearing in mind this was on the streets of London.

I think that clip just goes to show what a nice well behaved lot the muslim demonstrators were !! :shock:
Did I miss something ?? confused

If this is some kind of dig flower411 then my friend you have been take to be made a mug, this is an edited version showing the worst of the protest. This is by a BNP member and I am sure they are alot more video's on YouTube by them. :shock:
actually its a video from the NEFA Foundation set up after 9/11 in America.
I do know what the NEFA Foundation is and why it was set-up, now you find this foundations views seem to be very biased and I have seen footage and leaflets being used by members of the BNP in West Yorkshire.
everyone is allowed to campaign or protest,even the BNP!

5 Nov 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
Well this clip shows some of the demo.
Not wanting to get involved, just answering your question.

Bearing in mind this was on the streets of London.

I think that clip just goes to show what a nice well behaved lot the muslim demonstrators were !! :shock:
Did I miss something ?? confused

There were worse demonstrations than that around the world. They may be a minority but....for us to allow anyone to spout that crap on British streets was disgusting.....I wonder why the police just stood by? dunno

As we are such a tolerant country we have allowed this kind of thing to happen. The Frindsbury park Mosque was a classic example of us being tolerant. Was there not fundamentalists preaching on the street there, whilst the police stood by and did nothing. That should not be allowed no matter what religion you are " supposed " to represent.
No wonder I am an athiest. :shock:
I'm getting a little sick of treading on eggshells,but that what we do as a nation!

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Mr-Powers
Well this clip shows some of the demo.
Not wanting to get involved, just answering your question.

Bearing in mind this was on the streets of London.

I think that clip just goes to show what a nice well behaved lot the muslim demonstrators were !! :shock:
Did I miss something ?? confused

If this is some kind of dig flower411 then my friend you have been take to be made a mug, this is an edited version showing the worst of the protest. This is by a BNP member and I am sure they are alot more video's on YouTube by them. :shock:
actually its a video from the NEFA Foundation set up after 9/11 in America.
I do know what the NEFA Foundation is and why it was set-up, now you find this foundations views seem to be very biased and I have seen footage and leaflets being used by members of the BNP in West Yorkshire.
everyone is allowed to campaign or protest,even the BNP!
As long as it is within the confines of the law, which this demo most certainly was not. It was a blatant display of hatred.
Can anyone think of a reason why the police stood by? Or were there orders from above NOT to intervene? dunno

If that was the case.....I wonder why?

5 Nov 2008

Quote by kentswingers777
Well this clip shows some of the demo.
Not wanting to get involved, just answering your question.

Bearing in mind this was on the streets of London.

I think that clip just goes to show what a nice well behaved lot the muslim demonstrators were !! :shock:
Did I miss something ?? confused

If this is some kind of dig flower411 then my friend you have been take to be made a mug, this is an edited version showing the worst of the protest. This is by a BNP member and I am sure they are alot more video's on YouTube by them. :shock:
actually its a video from the NEFA Foundation set up after 9/11 in America.
I do know what the NEFA Foundation is and why it was set-up, now you find this foundations views seem to be very biased and I have seen footage and leaflets being used by members of the BNP in West Yorkshire.
everyone is allowed to campaign or protest,even the BNP!
As long as it is within the confines of the law, which this demo most certainly was not. It was a blatant display of hatred.
Can anyone think of a reason why the police stood by? Or were there orders from above NOT to intervene? dunno

If that was the case.....I wonder why?
the police more than likely didn't step in because they were more than likely filming the demo for themselves to use the footage for future prosecutions,probably better this way than arresting people at the demo when they could just turn up at their homes instead later!

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Zeddies
A British citizen can still be an immigrant. Having a British passport is not the same as being a British resident.

From British now you go on to British citizen and British Resident? What are you trying to clarify? What is british? is it an citizen or a resident? :haha:

I really don't know what the hell you are on about you know.
If you would like me to say that I'm typifying the Brit in relation to this discussion as white anglo-saxon then I'm happy to do so.
If you wish to continue your straw man argument then that's up to you.

My family past generation have been in the armed forces for britian, my late grandfather had documents that stated he was a british national not a british citizen, so what does that mean to him, if you called him anything thank british I'm sure he would have kicked butt .

There are 1000s of British nationals all over the world who have never set foot here, and as far as I know chicken korma has never been a traditional British dish regardless of the number of British Asians who live here.

So is a british resident someone that lives in britain, well you don't have to be a british citizen to live in britain, any EU citizen can live in britain. :doh:

So are you a native Brit or are you a 2nd generation Brit? Or are you just an EU citizen living here?
Are you British or are you Asian?

I'm not telling you anything, what I'm pointing out is the observation that you appear to be.

Your observations are incorrect and far from it, I am not offended but you seem to be. rotflmao

What do I have to be offended about? Sometimes what you write makes no sense at all.

As my late grandfather used to say he and his friends fighting for britain and all the blood, sweat and toil or other nations, put the Great in Great Britain, so being British the part for him was he was the Great of Britain.

What the hell are you waffling about now?
You can have a British passport, belong to the British forces and kicked butt for Britain as much as you like, it still won't make you a native Brit. No more than me moving to Pakistan and eventually gaining Pakistani nationality either for myself or my family will get me to be a native Pakistani.
I'm just betting the scarecrow was your favourite character in the Wizard of Oz!

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Peanut
You can have a British passport, belong to the British forces and kicked butt for Britain as much as you like, it still won't make you a native Brit. No more than me moving to Pakistan and eventually gaining Pakistani nationality either for myself or my family will get me to be a native Pakistani.
I'm just betting the scarecrow was your favourite character in the Wizard of Oz!

No wonder your called peanut. You said british not a native of britain. A native of britian. Sorry to inform you I am a native of Britain oh dear me...
na⋅tive /ˈneɪtɪv/ Show Spelled Pronunciation Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. being the place or environment in which a person was born or a thing came into being: one's native land.

5 Nov 2008

am looking for that thread about christmas,has anyone seen it? wink

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Phuckers
am looking for that thread about christmas,has anyone seen it?

... are you a native of britain too ... :lol:

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Phuckers
am looking for that thread about christmas,has anyone seen it?

It's been lost under the racism bollox rolleyes

5 Nov 2008

Quote by flower411
Well this clip shows some of the demo.
Not wanting to get involved, just answering your question.

Bearing in mind this was on the streets of London.

I think that clip just goes to show what a nice well behaved lot the muslim demonstrators were !! :shock:
Did I miss something ?? confused

If this is some kind of dig flower411 then my friend you have been take to be made a mug, this is an edited version showing the worst of the protest. This is by a BNP member and I am sure they are alot more video's on YouTube by them. :shock:
Taken to be a mug !!!
I commented that they seemed a nice well behaved bunch !!!
I see much worse than that outside the One Stop Shop just round the corner from me every weekend !!
I didn`t see anything I`d take particular exception to except for a few crappy placards obviously written in the same hand and a couple of rabble rousers keeping everybody warm with a bit of chanting :shock:
Was I watching the wrong clip ???? :?
I apologise, sorry I was thinking you was being sarcastic.

5 Nov 2008

Quote by Phuckers
am looking for that thread about christmas,has anyone seen it?

Snap!!! I was looking for the same thread :giggle:
Will go out of this thread and try again a bit later on.
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

5 Nov 2008

Merry Christmas or Seasonal Greetings for others
Least I am a native of britain..... I'm british lol

5 Nov 2008

When is christmas anyway?
lp