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Quote by zootle
Besides, flirting is fun, nothing to do with ego stroking or anything.

It can be done in the chatroom or PM ..... it is purely for a couple of people, with 15000 people on the site I just think it's inconsiderate - now and again, yep, it does go like that ...... but constantly? - thread after thread of the same thing - to the point when I'm checking the threads I can predict exactly what some people are going to say - because they say the same thing over and over again.
I'm not talking here about the daft threads that loads of people all join in on, or is funny to read etc you know, the taking the piss out of each other .......... I'm talking about inane chat or the flirting, usually directly to one or two people.
It's so easy to PM, I just don't see why we should have to trawl through everyday chat which the people concerned would never ever read back over themselves! :shock:
Perhap threads like the word association are fine but kept on topic .. .makes it harder and the rules are that when it's run it gets deleted??
Then everyone knows where they stand .. can take part but there's no silliness with bumping post counts etc.
Quote by deancannock
just talking about swinging and sex ?? well I do think there would not exactly be much activity after a week.....just think of the stupid but great threads.....The DaveDJ thread springs to mind where everyone dressed up as the others avatar.......yesterday the wheres WBB thread where people pretended to be on radios....I could go on....but the fact is the cafe is open to choose to post what you want about what you want....if the subject doesn't interest you, then don't post on it and don't read it.

Very good point, Dean. How can a decision be made about what exactly is rubbish & what should be in the Cafe. Some threads would be better in the chatroom, but many of those that you have mentioned have been hilarious, & I have thoroughly enjoyed.
To add to my other post in this thread, if a thread is popular, can locking or deleting it be justified?
Frogster you had your public response on the other thread.
You obviously read it as you pick up some of the points given in it.
The thread won't be getting reinstated - it's gone.
Jas
Quote by Jas-Tim
Frogster you had your public response on the other thread.
You obviously read it as you pick up some of the points given in it.
The thread won't be getting reinstated - it's gone.
Jas

Yes, I heard your Jackboots........
I was wearing fluffy slippers, and be very careful because that's fairly offensive to me personally.
Jas
Quote by HungryP
To add to my other post in this thread, if a thread is popular, can locking or deleting it be justified?

I would say yes. It's up to the mods on what is acceptable and if they see fit to pull something because it has wandered away from the object of this site, then fine by me.
It is they who have to *police* every single post and if they find it boring after so many posts, then it follows that eventually, if not before, so will we.
You've said yourself you don't read threads which don't interest you. Mods have to do this all the time. No doubt a tedious task and boring in the extreme when they know person A will always flirt with person B and so forth rolleyes
Join any other site not dedicated to swinging and chat about swinging and sexual positions - see how long before it gets removed and your account deactivated :roll:
T-J
I will apologise now ... i'm a tad hungover, full of cold and absolutely sick and tired of this bickering on site.
Between newbies shouting about cliques and unfairness and other regulars complaining about the flirting, inane posting, post count boosts and fecking crap christmas posts (one to two fair enough but there are a huge trawl of them at the moment) I just don't want to be around this place.
It used to be a place to build people up, teach them about tolerance because I always thought that swingers had the greatest tolerance and understanding of each other, a place to support one another, talk openly, frankly and imformatively about sex and on the whoel was a very adult place to be. Day by day the place gets more and more childish ... and less and less tolerant of one another.
If you don't like the place fine then leave or make consructive criticism, if you have a gripe then just as flirting seems to annoy people arguing in channel does because it allows every tom dick (!) or harry to put their two penneth in !
Each day more and more people are staying away, posting less and leaving ... those that are staying are more and more wary about what they post in case someone takes offence wtf!
FFS it's about time people lightened up! If all you have to worry about is a thread of words deleted then dunno
If we can't flirt openly (i agree though beyond a certain point pm or msn is the place to go)
then sorry then maybe I'm in the wrong place sad
Calista
When I first joined, not long ago, there seemed to be more thoughtful posts than now. Certainly I was very engaged in discovering how I felt about my sexuality and the new chapter in my life that's about to start, and being here has clarified that a lot for me. Made me realise I'm not strange for one thing, (although you may disagree). lol
Some of the funnies are funny, some of the links are funnier still, but in the limited time available I really think the answer lies in encouraging better thread titles. Even on the first page today, even this thread....
I don't start many strings.... How does that help me know what this is about, wouldn't "Do we need changes in the forum?" be better?
Sexuality.. Sexuality what? How about, "How can you tell if you're bi?"
Names - Meanings. What is this, Smaller Oxford Dictionary question, why not "Why did you choose your user name?"
Big Issue - What? The state of the world, Turkey to join the EU. "The Big Issue" would have helped, "The BIg Issue, buy one at Christmas" would have been more useful
Grrrrrr - How does "Grrrrr" help as a post title? "Read my profile before you pm me dork!" might be more useful.
There are too many examples and they waste my time, or more likely I miss completely really interesting threads because I can't be bothered to suffer another disappointment.
Some good points there Calista. I was keeping out of this as I am also sick and tired of the bickering. I can't believe that people are still whinging about the loss of a couple of threads. FFS evil . There's more to life! So what, get over it! No-one pays for space on here, no-one has the divine right to be here (even mods), and it is meant to be fun... so I say again, what is the f*cking problem? There really is more to life, maybe if some people can't see that they should move away from their PCs and take one long look at the big picture.
OK, nuff said, I'm bored with this shit rolleyes :roll: :roll: :roll:
Quote by rogerthedragon
OK - some really good points, how about if the Mods start to lock/delete threads that do not relate to swinging in some way? I know it has not been done "in the past" as I alluded to but would that improve the site for those people looking to actually swing?

Just because it has not been done in the past does not make it wrong to do so now.... and surely more on topic posts make it easier to find information on swinging related issues?
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If this was the case would people miss the opportunity to just generally chat?

erm, no........... there is a chat room..............
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It seems to me that the popularity amongst the Mods/Regulars of the general chat threads depends on how well known the contributors are.

Maybe, maybe not - but usually those threads have no more than 6 - 10 contributors, out of 15000 members..........see Misschiefs response above
Quote by rogerthedragon
I would have said that to avoid the common allegations of 'cliques' and 'double-standards' the policy for Cafe threads needs to quite clear. I would say that either the Cafe becomes a place to discuss Swinging, Sex and similar issues exclusively or it stays as a free for all.

People who feel they don't fit into a particular group, or have different opinions often fall back to the "it's all a clique" defence - people want to feel they "belong" and are "part of the crowd"
Quote by rogerthedragon
If it is going to be an 'On Topic' forum then off-topic threads should be locked regardless of the posters - This would include such things as Warwick's Marbles, People asking permission to go on holiday, games of ping-pong and most of the content of GFZ (The can I have a back rub and a pint type of thing)

Absolutely agree
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If on the other hand it is to be free to the members in general to decide what they want to post then threads such as Word Association, "We'll meet again.." and the SH Clock have a place in that environment to enable new people to ease themselves in and also to enable people to flirt and chat.

A large number of newbies post introductory threads, nothing stopping all of them doing it. By limiting the spurious posts, they have less clutter to wade through and can pick up on the swinging issues easier and quicker, and integrate themselves into the site without pain.
Quote by rogerthedragon
My opinion is that if SH wants to continue to be an inclusive site and try move forward from the increased amount of "navel gazing" that has occured over the last few months, then maybe it is time to either consider some changes to the forum or for a clear statement of acceptable versus un-acceptable posts to be made.
Roger the Dragon.

Swiningingheaven *is* an inclusive site - it's free, easy to join, and easy to get along with - but at the end of the day, it is a *swingers* site, not a teenage junk forum.
In all this, nobody has considered the other side of the coin. Admin and Mods have to trawl through all the crap to find anything that does not belong on the site - hateful, racist, abuse, drugs, spam etc alone the photo ads section - they want to be able to post and join in too, not spend their on-line time moderating.
Thoughtful posting seems to have gone, and the spurious element has increased vastly. Post count seems to have taken over from issues relating to swinging.
ps
Sorry to pick on your post Roger, but it was one which I could use to place some points into.
Well a couple of quick points, this thread started as a request to make this a 'more' swinging site. So I will reply to that, if you do you will be very lonely...
There are a lot of social swingers, people who previously swung, may swing, can't swing due to their partner, but still like a bit of contact with the human race. Make this site pure sex related threads and they will feel alienated and depart. Even the swingers will get bored eventually, how many threads about how wet you got last night, or how big I am before it to becomes boring. After all, you can't post anything about meeting up in here.
On the other points that have come up through the thread:
There is and always has been a 'we discussed that before' response to most sexuality questions. No easy answers to that one, just two sides, boring the regulars as some topics will come up again and again, or deciding that we are writing an encyclopedia that should be static. Somewhere in the middle is the answer smile
On the inane drivel side, hmm, but strong word but at the end of the day the mods will make a call. The word association thread went on for a long time. It was obviously eating in to the modding time a lot (yes I know that what they do, but they not paid, and they would like a life outside the site) Final call was made by the mods to lose the thread, and such is life peeps. We had our fun now lets give them a break from modding it.
Looking on the bright side, at least we (as a community) seem far less polarised in this thread than some others. No name calling, and no one assuming this all aimed at them. So mods I think we getting there :)
Quote by Jon_TJ
If this was the case would people miss the opportunity to just generally chat?

erm, no........... there is a chat room..............


The chat room is not a general place to chat .. it's an extension of Lets Meet Up! We are not looking for anyone at the moment we don't have an ad. I used to go in the chat room occasionally and it's less chat and more about meeting up .. ie whats your ad no? can I pm you?
I'm a old mIRC pro .. had my own room and opped in a few but all of them have been about chat .. and altough our chat room is very good it's not a general chat room ... so this has spilled onto the forums. Hence the increase in flirting, silliness etc in the cafe.
As a suggestion perhaps now is the time to have another chat room? Let's meet and the Cafe???
Calista
Quote by Jon_TJ
If this was the case would people miss the opportunity to just generally chat?

erm, no........... there is a chat room..............
Yes but the chat room is for 'Swinging only' conversation, moves too fast for a lot of users, and presents other challenges. This is the 'Chat room' for the forum users.
Think one liners need to go into PM to flirt with each other yes, but the idea that the cafe should become a swinging threads only makes me shudder...
Quote by Calista
As a suggestion perhaps now is the time to have another chat room? Let's meet and the Cafe???

I still say a forum split is better.
Keep Cafe as is, and have a new Swinging Issues area.
Quote by Mark
The point made about using good topic titles has been made before somewhere... (clue).
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Well I know it's not an original thought, but it seems one that could be usefully made on a daily basis and still not be often enough!
TBH, i'm one of the people who may have posted utter drivel over the months ive been here, so i'm not going to comment on the deletion of the Word Association and SH Clock threads. HOWEVER, i have had a thread deleted because it may have caused trouble and bad feeling in the cafe. now, i could have complained, i could have started another thread to the same effect, or i could even have started a thread slagging off the mod who decided to delete it... if my memory serves me correctly, i think it was Jags... anyway, the point is, if it was Jags, she felt the need to delete the thread for the best interests of the site. and why not? i dont want to be personally responsible for creating bad feeling amongst others. and i felt the way it was dealt with by the mods was fantstic, i had a PM telling me it had been deleted, and the reasons as to why, and i was also told it would be discussed by the mods and i would be informed as to whether the thread would be put back or not. not once did i feel the mods were being "Nazis", nor did i have any doubt that the desicion was the right one.
My point is this..... the mods are there for a REASON, and if something is not in the best interests of the site, then they have EVERY RIGHT to get rid of it. nothing is done without a reason, they dont just log on and think.."oh, i'll delete a couple of threads just to piss so and so off...". The mods have been chosen by Mark and the other mods because they can do the job, and keep this site the fun place it always has been. So before everyone starts complaining, think about whether you could do it or not... i would love to be a mod, but i dont have the patience or level headedness to do it, and seeing the way the mods get treated now, and the abuse they get hurled at them, i personally dont envy them. would you talk to your boss at work the way some people talk to the mods?? No, i thought not. so why do it here??
Oh, and i forgot the mention the post count..... WTF???? there has been one time when i have tried to increase my post count rapidly... and that was in my race to beat Ice Pie to 1000 posts, which i felt was lighthearted fun, and i would hope didnt affect the forum in any negative way. Other than that, i rarely look at howm many posts ive done, unless its a big milestone such as 1000 or something. (Correct me if im wrong, if my memory serves me then i havent flooded the forum with threads about my post count, lol!)
Hey - an interesting thread at last!!
Come on guys - don't fall out over it. Discussion is good.
Yes - I am guilty of having started non-swinging related posts recently. So - have sat myself down and asked myself why.
I think the non pertinent threads start when there are a lot of non pertinent threads. You're bored with all the other threads - but you're addicted to SH, you view a lot of the people online as your friends - and if you've had a particulary shitty or good day - you tend to share that in some way with your friends.
Yip - probably not the best way to do it but there isn't a hell of a lot going on - so you do.
Well - that's the conclusion I came to after having a discussion with me.
So now I've read this thread through - and I think there are a lot of valid points put forward.
I personally don't like the idea of swinging only topics. When I first joined (being very inexperienced - and at that time not a swinger) I did the search thing, which answered a lot of my questions - and I posted two question posts (which I think I reffered to as a "Question" in my header). I got a lot of great advice. But most advice IS there already. So what is left, except for the odd good discussion after the press decide to slip their tuppence in? I guess I'd get bored and fade away. But I don't know - becuase that hasn't happend yet.
I also personally believe that you can ascertain a lot about a person from the way they talk about "normal" things. So would hate to see those go away.
Do I have a solution of my own to this dilemma? No I don't - but I do believe that we have mods who are there to make decisions and regulate the forum. Sometimes you may get a slap on the wrists. Sometimes they may decide to do things you don't agree with. But at the end of the day - they are there for a reason -and by signing up to this forum we signed up with that knowledge.
I just think that it is great that we can discuss it, and I personally hope that this doesn't turn into a slanging match with personal insults exchanged.
Some excellent and very honest posts in here. I think I'm pretty much in agreement with the bulk of the comments. Yes to a mixed forum for on and off topic threads but with a reasonalbe balance of topics and styles of posting.
I know this seems a bit simplistic but a wee symbol attached to the initial post to say - on topic, off topic, joke, moan, game, naval gazing, request for help - that would be visible in the index and folk could decide whether to read or not?
Re: Post counts.
I am Admin of a little forum and the post count is there, but cannot be disabled. I have no idea why.
I believe it has no practical use, in any forum.
I suppose it should be available for Mods and Admin to see, just so they can ascertain what's what, when there are silly fights rolleyes but no need for everyone to see it.
Quote by tallnhairy

If this was the case would people miss the opportunity to just generally chat?

erm, no........... there is a chat room..............
Yes but the chat room is for 'Swinging only' conversation, moves too fast for a lot of users, and presents other challenges. This is the 'Chat room' for the forum users.
Think one liners need to go into PM to flirt with each other yes, but the idea that the cafe should become a swinging threads only makes me shudder...
*Swinging only* conversation? That's because this is a *Swingers* site rolleyes
The room only moves too fast until you use it more often and get used to it. If you still can't keep up, there is always the option to open a pvt conversation and flirt all you please or talk about whatever you like, at a slower pace to suit yourselves.
We don't need swinging only threads on here. All life is diverse of course, but for the most part, topics seem to wander further and further away from the aims of this site.
I have no problems with topics relating to everyday life, such as one I have posted to today, regarding the Big Issue, but when a thread becomes totally boring to all but one or two, it's time to move on.
Let's face it either you are a swinger or you are not. A non swinger attending munches does not make them a *social* swinger surely? It makes them a friend of swingers who is welcome to attend munches parties etc. I don't understand the concept of being called a *social* swinger confused
You either are one, hope to be one very soon or you know you never will be because your wife/partner/husband whatever will never become one with you.
I agree, people do want to relax with others, even if they are not swingers, but the aims of this site is swinging and non swingers should be aware of this and not keep posting tripe just because they have no knowledge/experience of swinging :roll:
We joined this site to learn about the lifestyle and what it entailed. We weren't swingers at the time, but have since become so, which is perhaps the way this site is intended to be used? dunno
We found it informative, helpful and interesting and it gave us the courage to take our first steps into swinging.
If we found as much tripe on here then as there is now, we would probably never have taken swinging up, thinking all it meant was to chat about clocks and meal times/hair style's etc :roll:
All of us without exception have been guilty of posting tripe now and again, but when the tripe starts to overwhelm the real reason for this site, it's time for some people to take a long hard look at what they post :roll:
Tracy-Jayne
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I know this seems a bit simplistic but a wee symbol attached to the initial post to say - on topic, off topic, joke, moan, game, naval gazing, request for help - that would be visible in the index and folk could decide whether to read or not?

I was thinking that as well. Oooh - even more techie - you could provide a filter that filtered on only one type....... Hmmm - maybe not confused
But - yes Celticq - I for one would find that sort of thing useful.
Quote by Rainbows
I also personally believe that you can ascertain a lot about a person from the way they talk about "normal" things. So would hate to see those go away.

This is what I tried to say earlier only I didn't put it quite so clearly smile
Quote by celticq
I know this seems a bit simplistic but a wee symbol attached to the initial post to say - on topic, off topic, joke, moan, game, naval gazing, request for help - that would be visible in the index and folk could decide whether to read or not?

This is a reasonable idea but in practice it rarely works well, if at all. It relies on the poster starting the thread to set the icon appropriately. On various other boards I've been on it rarely gets used.
If trivial threads are merely started so that people can boost their post counts the answer is simple. Remove the post count from public view. It serves no useful function. It's easy enough to work out who the regular posters are
I look at people's words, not their post count, when I am deciding if I agree with them or if I am interested in their opinion.
The only valid point that I can see that's been made for the removal of the 2 threads that were deleted was the time taken to check them. The threads that really clutter up the board still remain. Those 2 threads were well known and easily avoided by non-mods. I looked in the clock thread occasionally but noone forced me to...I knew the type of thread it was. I have avoided the thread in dogging completely...it wasn't difficult to avoid clicking on it, I knew which one it was.
Quote by Rainbows
I also personally believe that you can ascertain a lot about a person from the way they talk about "normal" things. So would hate to see those go away.
Do I have a solution of my own to this dilemma? No I don't - but I do believe that we have mods who are there to make decisions and regulate the forum. Sometimes you may get a slap on the wrists. Sometimes they may decide to do things you don't agree with. But at the end of the day - they are there for a reason -and by signing up to this forum we signed up with that knowledge.
I just think that it is great that we can discuss it, and I personally hope that this doesn't turn into a slanging match with personal insults exchanged.

I am a massive fan of this site, and the café in particular. I've had threads locked and deleted. I even lost my avatar ffs !! But I'm still here. Why? Because all in all, it's a fun place to be. I had always looked on the café as being that - a café (well, bar really) where people meet, talk, chat, flirt a little and sometimes get laid. The beauty of it being theSwingingHeaven café, is that we can talk dirty, chat to all, flirt outrageously and sometimes get laid by more than one. I wouldn't want to see too many changes to the way the café is run. I enjoy, like most; some of the inane drivel, the jokes, the piss taking (without malice)
Escapism. This is a great place to escape the realities that some of us face, just as immersing oneself in a good book, film or music for a couple of hours. That's how I see some of the posts I've made and some of the posts/threads I've read.
I would hate to see the place ripped apart and divided. "You can't say that here, you have to say it over there." sort of thing. Having said that, I would go some way to agreeing that there is a place for "Swinging only related points" In my naivety, that's what I thought the LMU section was for and about.
I chose to quote part of ex-ShyNewbie (wave) above because, I actually think she has summed up the whole issue. We all knew what we were signing up for. Including the Mods.
So - have some posts been deleted? I must check that. It wil mean the 3some thread will be different lol
The 3some thread is all about post counts, in-so-far as your position in the league table dictates your 3some. There have been posts from others, intended to be funny I'm sure, saying that they need to post more to get to a more favourable position. Get rid of post counts, get rid of threads that relate to post counts.
Speaking as someone who has never posted any drivel........What? WHAT?
I have the following to contribute:
1) I don't and won't swing
2) I enjoy being in the company of open minded people who seem to be more plentiful here.
3) I like to contribute serious comment and bollox.
4) The Ooo-errr Mrs or meaningless 'commiserations' offered to someone when they've pricked their finger on a needle drives me fucking crazy. Total waste of space and other peole's time and should be locked - immediate.
5) The look at me threads/posts are more pernicious but are also a waste of space and should be treated similarly.
6) Trolls should be identified earliest and labelled as such. They make everybody they come to contact with look stupid.
7) The Cafe would lose quite a lot if the swinging part was hived of into another forum but I do have sympathy with the majority (and most of all the Mods), who have to wade through oceans of drivel to get to meaningful material.
8) Oh and I enjoy flirting but I generally do it in private.
I think there is a case for slightly tighter guidelines to reduce drivel and strengthen Mods hands in dealing with it.
Normally I don't contribute to serious threads. Not only has everything already been said, or at least most things have been said, but people can get quite touchy when it seems their views are being challenged, but as everyone else has had their say, I might as well have mine.
I'm a single female, and the big wide world out there is damn scary. Coming into a friendly forum such as this is safe, well moderated, and there are a variety of people with a variety of different wants and needs to chat to. 'Chatting' being the operative word. I want to get to know people, safely, take my time, build up a rapport. I have done this very recently, because I have been allowed to come onto the forum and 'be myself'. Not put on any airs n graces, not put myself out on limb by stating what I am looking for and asking people to contact me, but just by chipping in now and again, with my own weird sense of humour, I have made friends with like minded people who think I'm nice just for being me.
I did recently recieve a pm from someone who had a go at me for posting 'inane drivel'. I don't mind that. It just serves to point out that this person and I would never in a million years get along and I wouldn't waste my time attempting to build a friendship with them.
Don't stop us from being silly, the silly ones of us kind of clump together in our own little thread and try not to annoy the heck out of everyone who wants to have a serious discussion. We're not hurting anyone, we're just being us. If you're a 'serious' person, and you see the thread has been started by me, then just don't read it. I don't have a problem with that.
Live and let live, love and let love.
jules
kiss
Quote by Calista
The chat room is not a general place to chat .. it's an extension of Lets Meet Up! We are not looking for anyone at the moment we don't have an ad. I used to go in the chat room occasionally and it's less chat and more about meeting up .. ie whats your ad no? can I pm you? Calista

/Hijack mode on
Sorry Calista, but you've really got the wrong impression of what the room's all about.
I don't doubt that every time you've been in there you've been inundated with "whats your ad no? can I pm you?". It happens to every person who comes in with a nickname that even remotely suggests being female. Hell I get it sometimes - maybe my nick means "Lucy's up fer it" ???
The truth is that there's a huge community of regulars that use the chatroom to chat about all sorts of shite, flirt, joke, tease and yup, talk about sex and swinging. I even know quite a few people that are regulars in the chatroom that don't swing at all but still enjoy being part of the community.
I've had meets with people where we've first made contact in the room, yes it does happen, but for me and I suspect most of the regulars, that's an added bonus, not the reason for being there.
The people that use it as an extension of lets meet up tend to get bored quite quick, complain about the cliqueyness of the place and flounce out.
/hijack mode
Back to the original subject - this is one of the most lightly moderated forums I use, and I wouldn't wish it any other way.
From a user's perspective (rather than that of the mods) it's quite easy to skip / avoid / skim read the posts that are "inane drivel". Everyone here has the ability to make the decision on whether or not to read a particular thread.
Change?? Seems that as long as you conform youre ok!??
I dont understand all the locked threads?? There just now seems to be an abundance of them! And to be honest why the fuck are half of them locked???