I'm doing a St George's Day show, and the first song is "God Save the Queen".
Now I don't go to any functions where this is played - but I know sometimes people do stand up - does anyone know if is it still common, in which case I'll invite people to stand while we sing - or is it an outdated practice now?
I don't want to offend anyone by seeming to diss the Queen, on the other hand I don't want to appear bossy if people don't do this anymore.
The age range of the audience will 65 upwards.
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Do we still stand up for the Queen?
Sex God
At every event I have every been to people stand for God save the Queen, this is usually announced. I would stand if I liked the Queen or not, dont actually have anything against her by the way. I would stand as its our national anthem and I am proud to be British.
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At every event I have every been to people stand for God save the Queen, this is usually announced. I would stand if I liked the Queen or not, dont actually have anything against her by the way. I would stand as its our national anthem and I am proud to be British.
Thanks Tweeky :thumbup: - I should have added, this is an informal jolly sing-a-long show, don't know if it makes any difference.
Sex God
I would say an invitation to stand if people would like to stand would be appropriate. It's then giving people the option not to - for whatever reason - but also making those who wish to feel okay about doing so.
I reckon at a St. George's event you'll find most folk happy to stand.
Have fun.
I reckon at a St. George's event you'll find most folk happy to stand.
Have fun.
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If the age range is 65 upwards I`d hazard a guess that ya don`t have to say anything at all, they`ll all just stand up as a matter of course.
Well they didn't when I did the show last year, I think they were wondering what to do, and as it was my first year, I hadn't thought about it, I was too :scared: about getting the words right
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I would say an invitation to stand if people would like to stand would be appropriate. It's then giving people the option not to - for whatever reason - but also making those who wish to feel okay about doing so.
I reckon at a St. George's event you'll find most folk happy to stand.
Have fun.
Thanks Nola
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I'm doing a St George's Day show, and the first song is "God Save the Queen".
Now I don't go to any functions where this is played - but I know sometimes people do stand up - does anyone know if is it still common, in which case I'll invite people to stand while we sing - or is it an outdated practice now?
I don't want to offend anyone by seeming to diss the Queen, on the other hand I don't want to appear bossy if people don't do this anymore.
The age range of the audience will 65 upwards.
I know some people will assume the worst, but why are you playing the anthem of the United Kingdom at an event to commemorate St George, the sometime patron saint of England?
Sex God
i always stand its a natural reaction so much so i have even caught myself going to do it at home when its on telly :shock:
I always stand and I'm Irish. Stand out of respect as is the national anthem of the country I live in. That said a lot of British/English people I may be with do not stand for the anthem.
Also stand for Amhrán na bhFiann no matter what country I am in (like bouncy I have been known to stand for it at home in front of tv lol). And happily stand for the Flower of Scotland and The Land Of My Fathers when am watching the rugby also.
Hope you have a great 's Day show
Also stand for Amhrán na bhFiann no matter what country I am in (like bouncy I have been known to stand for it at home in front of tv lol). And happily stand for the Flower of Scotland and The Land Of My Fathers when am watching the rugby also.
Hope you have a great 's Day show
Sex God
In this context an invitation to stand would be perfectly correct I think.
Do I stand? It depends on context. At a concert etc if everyone else does, I will without any problem. If it's just being played as a piece of musics, on the TV or I hear it while sitting on the train, no. There is no need and no expectation that I would.
I do feel we should accept that God Save etc is the anthem for the UK and Great Britain, but that we need a separate one for England. No need to look far - Land of Hope and Glory is already well accepted in that role at sporting events.
Do I stand? It depends on context. At a concert etc if everyone else does, I will without any problem. If it's just being played as a piece of musics, on the TV or I hear it while sitting on the train, no. There is no need and no expectation that I would.
I do feel we should accept that God Save etc is the anthem for the UK and Great Britain, but that we need a separate one for England. No need to look far - Land of Hope and Glory is already well accepted in that role at sporting events.
Thanks all for the replies 
I know some people will assume the worst, but why are you playing the anthem of the United Kingdom at an event to commemorate St George, the sometime patron saint of England?
Because I have an hour to fill with patriotic songs, and they are in short supply after Land of Hope & Glory, Rule Britannia, There'll always be an England, and Jerusalem.
I'm filling with war songs, White Cliffs, etc - however, if you know a song specifically for the sometime patron saint of England, I'd be very glad of a link. :thumbup:
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I'm doing a St George's Day show, and the first song is "God Save the Queen".
Now I don't go to any functions where this is played - but I know sometimes people do stand up - does anyone know if is it still common, in which case I'll invite people to stand while we sing - or is it an outdated practice now?
I don't want to offend anyone by seeming to diss the Queen, on the other hand I don't want to appear bossy if people don't do this anymore.
The age range of the audience will 65 upwards.
I know some people will assume the worst, but why are you playing the anthem of the United Kingdom at an event to commemorate St George, the sometime patron saint of England?
Because I have an hour to fill with patriotic songs, and they are in short supply after Land of Hope & Glory, Rule Britannia, There'll always be an England, and Jerusalem.
I'm filling with war songs, White Cliffs, etc - however, if you know a song specifically for the sometime patron saint of England, I'd be very glad of a link. :thumbup:
Sex God
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Thanks all for the replies
I know some people will assume the worst, but why are you playing the anthem of the United Kingdom at an event to commemorate St George, the sometime patron saint of England?
Because I have an hour to fill with patriotic songs, and they are in short supply after Land of Hope & Glory, Rule Britannia, There'll always be an England, and Jerusalem.
I'm filling with war songs, White Cliffs, etc - however, if you know a song specifically for the sometime patron saint of England, I'd be very glad of a link. :thumbup:
You could try
But, seriously - I'll have a think/web-hunt and get back to this.
Sex God
Do you sing Jerusalem, Cherry? I have fond - and not so fond - memories of music lessons at school and being forced to recite the lines till we knew it by heart. Only then were we allowed to actually sing it. My music teacher was a tad eccentric.
Sex God
Well, I've had a hunt and the web is overstuffed with people who want to come and sing this stuff. I couldn't find any sensible websites that simply listed the music I was looking for. My next move would be to head out to the nearest sheet music store (Foulds of Derby in my case) and start looking through their compilation books.
I found this in The Music Room - an online sheet/book music
It is one of many places available, you may even find similar on Amazon and other similar websites. It may at least give you an idea of songs that might go down well.
I found this in The Music Room - an online sheet/book music
It is one of many places available, you may even find similar on Amazon and other similar websites. It may at least give you an idea of songs that might go down well.
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Do you sing Jerusalem, Cherry? I have fond - and not so fond - memories of music lessons at school and being forced to recite the lines till we knew it by heart. Only then were we allowed to actually sing it. My music teacher was a tad eccentric.
Yes I sing it, but I'm more scared of Rule Britannia - have you seen how many verses there are :lol:
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Well, I've had a hunt and the web is overstuffed with people who want to come and sing this stuff. I couldn't find any sensible websites that simply listed the music I was looking for. My next move would be to head out to the nearest sheet music store (Foulds of Derby in my case) and start looking through their compilation books.
I found this in The Music Room - an online sheet/book music ://
It is one of many places available, you may even find similar on Amazon and other similar websites. It may at least give you an idea of songs that might go down well.
Thanks Foxy, I have most of those in my war show, my favourite is Lille Marlene :thumbup:
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Do you sing Jerusalem, Cherry? I have fond - and not so fond - memories of music lessons at school and being forced to recite the lines till we knew it by heart. Only then were we allowed to actually sing it. My music teacher was a tad eccentric.
Every child should sing Jerusalem. Then they should be taught to understand it. Calling Jerusalem a patriotic song is ignorance elevated to the highest degree....
Sex God
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Do you sing Jerusalem, Cherry? I have fond - and not so fond - memories of music lessons at school and being forced to recite the lines till we knew it by heart. Only then were we allowed to actually sing it. My music teacher was a tad eccentric.
Every child should sing Jerusalem. Then they should be taught to understand it. Calling Jerusalem a patriotic song is ignorance elevated to the highest degree....
Yes, we also studied it as part of our poetry studies. Blake is a great writer. But then poetry is open to such interpretation. My Jerusalem may well be very different to your Jerusalem. But then that's the joy of literature.
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Do you sing Jerusalem, Cherry? I have fond - and not so fond - memories of music lessons at school and being forced to recite the lines till we knew it by heart. Only then were we allowed to actually sing it. My music teacher was a tad eccentric.
Every child should sing Jerusalem. Then they should be taught to understand it. Calling Jerusalem a patriotic song is ignorance elevated to the highest degree....
Yes, we also studied it as part of our poetry studies. Blake is a great writer. But then poetry is open to such interpretation. My Jerusalem may well be very different to your Jerusalem. But then that's the joy of literature.
In general I am against interpretation - I blame Susan Sontag for that particular stance on my part. I think Blake's meaning is fairly well understood by those who have studied the poem, as opposed to learning it by rote to sing at the WI.
Sex God
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Do you sing Jerusalem, Cherry? I have fond - and not so fond - memories of music lessons at school and being forced to recite the lines till we knew it by heart. Only then were we allowed to actually sing it. My music teacher was a tad eccentric.
Every child should sing Jerusalem. Then they should be taught to understand it. Calling Jerusalem a patriotic song is ignorance elevated to the highest degree....
Yes, we also studied it as part of our poetry studies. Blake is a great writer. But then poetry is open to such interpretation. My Jerusalem may well be very different to your Jerusalem. But then that's the joy of literature.
In general I am against interpretation - I blame Susan Sontag for that particular stance on my part. I think Blake's meaning is fairly well understood by those who have studied the poem, as opposed to learning it by rote to sing at the WI.
Without interpretation I fear life must be quite dull.
Oh and I know what the poem is about. We may have been made to learn it by heart but we were also taught well.
I have Billy Bragg singing it on my iPod, so I enjoy it to this day.
Sex God
Quote by noladreams
Do you sing Jerusalem, Cherry? I have fond - and not so fond - memories of music lessons at school and being forced to recite the lines till we knew it by heart. Only then were we allowed to actually sing it. My music teacher was a tad eccentric.
Every child should sing Jerusalem. Then they should be taught to understand it. Calling Jerusalem a patriotic song is ignorance elevated to the highest degree....
Yes, we also studied it as part of our poetry studies. Blake is a great writer. But then poetry is open to such interpretation. My Jerusalem may well be very different to your Jerusalem. But then that's the joy of literature.
In general I am against interpretation - I blame Susan Sontag for that particular stance on my part. I think Blake's meaning is fairly well understood by those who have studied the poem, as opposed to learning it by rote to sing at the WI.
Without interpretation I fear life must be quite dull.
Oh and I know what the poem is about. We may have been made to learn it by heart but we were also taught well.
I have Billy Bragg singing it on my iPod, so I enjoy it to this day.
What's to interpret? It's a poem about how England is a Christian country. :dunno:
Quote by foxylady2209
Do you sing Jerusalem, Cherry? I have fond - and not so fond - memories of music lessons at school and being forced to recite the lines till we knew it by heart. Only then were we allowed to actually sing it. My music teacher was a tad eccentric.
Every child should sing Jerusalem. Then they should be taught to understand it. Calling Jerusalem a patriotic song is ignorance elevated to the highest degree....
Yes, we also studied it as part of our poetry studies. Blake is a great writer. But then poetry is open to such interpretation. My Jerusalem may well be very different to your Jerusalem. But then that's the joy of literature.
In general I am against interpretation - I blame Susan Sontag for that particular stance on my part. I think Blake's meaning is fairly well understood by those who have studied the poem, as opposed to learning it by rote to sing at the WI.
Without interpretation I fear life must be quite dull.
Oh and I know what the poem is about. We may have been made to learn it by heart but we were also taught well.
I have Billy Bragg singing it on my iPod, so I enjoy it to this day.
What's to interpret? It's a poem about how England is a Christian country. :dunno:
Exactly....surely not that difficult to grasp?
Quote by kentswingers777
Do you sing Jerusalem, Cherry? I have fond - and not so fond - memories of music lessons at school and being forced to recite the lines till we knew it by heart. Only then were we allowed to actually sing it. My music teacher was a tad eccentric.
Every child should sing Jerusalem. Then they should be taught to understand it. Calling Jerusalem a patriotic song is ignorance elevated to the highest degree....
Yes, we also studied it as part of our poetry studies. Blake is a great writer. But then poetry is open to such interpretation. My Jerusalem may well be very different to your Jerusalem. But then that's the joy of literature.
In general I am against interpretation - I blame Susan Sontag for that particular stance on my part. I think Blake's meaning is fairly well understood by those who have studied the poem, as opposed to learning it by rote to sing at the WI.
Without interpretation I fear life must be quite dull.
Oh and I know what the poem is about. We may have been made to learn it by heart but we were also taught well.
I have Billy Bragg singing it on my iPod, so I enjoy it to this day.
What's to interpret? It's a poem about how England is a Christian country. :dunno:
Exactly....surely not that difficult to grasp?
Ah, the authentic voice of middle England.
Can I ask, why are the first two verses full of questions? And if ENgland was a Christian country, why did Blake portray it as being plagued by the output of the dark satanic mills? Oh, and what was the Jerusalem that Blake wished to build?
Quote by noladreams
Do you sing Jerusalem, Cherry? I have fond - and not so fond - memories of music lessons at school and being forced to recite the lines till we knew it by heart. Only then were we allowed to actually sing it. My music teacher was a tad eccentric.
Every child should sing Jerusalem. Then they should be taught to understand it. Calling Jerusalem a patriotic song is ignorance elevated to the highest degree....
Yes, we also studied it as part of our poetry studies. Blake is a great writer. But then poetry is open to such interpretation. My Jerusalem may well be very different to your Jerusalem. But then that's the joy of literature.
In general I am against interpretation - I blame Susan Sontag for that particular stance on my part. I think Blake's meaning is fairly well understood by those who have studied the poem, as opposed to learning it by rote to sing at the WI.
Without interpretation I fear life must be quite dull.
Oh and I know what the poem is about. We may have been made to learn it by heart but we were also taught well.
I have Billy Bragg singing it on my iPod, so I enjoy it to this day.
I recommend Sontag's essay 'Against Interpretation'. As an argument for an erotics of literature, as opposed to a system of hermeneutics, and for the work of art as opposed to the interpreter, it is simply brilliant.
The Jerusalem that Blake wishes to build, replacing the "dark Satanic Mills" is not a physical reconstruction of Jerusalem in Palestine but a metaphorical place where want and misery do not exist, were men and women can live free and happy.
William Blake was a deeply spiritual man, a precursor to the Christian socialist tradition. He railed against the powers of both Church and Crown. Blake's religious beliefs stemmed from a long tradition in Britain ofChristian dissenters
William Blake was a deeply spiritual man, a precursor to the Christian socialist tradition. He railed against the powers of both Church and Crown. Blake's religious beliefs stemmed from a long tradition in Britain ofChristian dissenters
Sex God
Quote by awayman
Do you sing Jerusalem, Cherry? I have fond - and not so fond - memories of music lessons at school and being forced to recite the lines till we knew it by heart. Only then were we allowed to actually sing it. My music teacher was a tad eccentric.
Every child should sing Jerusalem. Then they should be taught to understand it. Calling Jerusalem a patriotic song is ignorance elevated to the highest degree....
Yes, we also studied it as part of our poetry studies. Blake is a great writer. But then poetry is open to such interpretation. My Jerusalem may well be very different to your Jerusalem. But then that's the joy of literature.
In general I am against interpretation - I blame Susan Sontag for that particular stance on my part. I think Blake's meaning is fairly well understood by those who have studied the poem, as opposed to learning it by rote to sing at the WI.
Without interpretation I fear life must be quite dull.
Oh and I know what the poem is about. We may have been made to learn it by heart but we were also taught well.
I have Billy Bragg singing it on my iPod, so I enjoy it to this day.
What's to interpret? It's a poem about how England is a Christian country. :dunno:
Exactly....surely not that difficult to grasp?
Ah, the authentic voice of middle England.
Can I ask, why are the first two verses full of questions? And if ENgland was a Christian country, why did Blake portray it as being plagued by the output of the dark satanic mills? Oh, and what was the Jerusalem that Blake wished to build?
Questions are often used as a method for describing stuff.
If it weren't Christian the dark satanic mills would hardly be decribed as a problem.
Christians believe this world in imperfect and in continual state of needing improvement - hence building Jerusalem rather than it already being here.
Just my 'interperetation' (LOL) but it seems pretty obvious. Can you point me at Blake's explanation of his words? Or are we relying on other people's interpretations?
