Yes, I do believe in ghosts and life after death... there must be more than your alloted 70 odd years (if you're lucky), and then nothing... a darkness.
I think that every person who lives leaves behind an imprint of themselves.. in either a place that meant a lot to them or maybe even where they met their end.
It explains why we feel cold sometimes even in the middle of Summer... and the odd feeling of deja vu when visiting places you've never been to before.
I think that spirits can communicate with the living... some may not choose to... but others have something important to tell relatives left behind... especially if death came quickly.
Nurses in hospital can tell almost when a person is about to die... they seem at peace and its almost as though someone has come to hold their hand and guide them into the next life.
I def have a guardian Angel watching over me... the amount of near misses I have had.
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Do you believe?
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Do I believe in ghosts and people talking to 'spirits' and dead people? No.
Do I believe that the human brain is capable of SO much more than we realise? Yes.
I'm a scientist at heart - I need proof.
Can we prove or disprove it? :rascal:
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I remember hearing that there is a set amount of matter in the universe which remains constant. The fact that the body is "recycled" is without dispute.
However, the whole what makes me "me" question is a lot more complex. Do we have a soul? What is a soul? Do we all start off with the same blank canvas which is coloured over the years by individual experiences which in turn dictate our reactions?
The Humanist school of Psychology certainly thinks so. The Phenomenological approach believes that we are all shaped by experiences, no matter how small, and that these in turn shape our personalities.
Do I believe it's that simple? Possibly not.
But you have no idea how long I've waited to use the word phenomenological in here, and I'll be damned if I was going to miss the chance!
However, the whole what makes me "me" question is a lot more complex. Do we have a soul? What is a soul? Do we all start off with the same blank canvas which is coloured over the years by individual experiences which in turn dictate our reactions?
The Humanist school of Psychology certainly thinks so. The Phenomenological approach believes that we are all shaped by experiences, no matter how small, and that these in turn shape our personalities.
Do I believe it's that simple? Possibly not.
But you have no idea how long I've waited to use the word phenomenological in here, and I'll be damned if I was going to miss the chance!
Can you imagine how terrified (and I mean truly terrified, not just a little perturbed) people would be if they knew there was no form of afterlife, and that everything they were and had been would be snuffed out?
The thought that this living, thinking being sat expressing his opinion at a keyboard might just cease to be one day scares the hell out of me. And no amount of rational philosophising can change that. The thought that people I care about might just cease is very saddenning too.
I do have my own beliefs about what happens to the person (soul/ spirit/ mind, whatever you want to call that which makes you you) but they're quite muddy - I'm more agnositcally clinging onto the need for there to be something after the fleshy bits have packed in than holding a firm belief.
And aside from the concerns about just ceasing to be, how would society really be if people thought/ believed this was it? No judgement, no everlasting guilt, just there here and now. How does that effect consience? If I am just a bag of loosely coherent cells acting on chemical reactions I call instinct and thought, then what does it matter how I effect other bags of cells that are nothing more than chemical reactions that give an illusion of person? So is there a need for an afterlife to keep society together and functional?
The thought that this living, thinking being sat expressing his opinion at a keyboard might just cease to be one day scares the hell out of me. And no amount of rational philosophising can change that. The thought that people I care about might just cease is very saddenning too.
I do have my own beliefs about what happens to the person (soul/ spirit/ mind, whatever you want to call that which makes you you) but they're quite muddy - I'm more agnositcally clinging onto the need for there to be something after the fleshy bits have packed in than holding a firm belief.
And aside from the concerns about just ceasing to be, how would society really be if people thought/ believed this was it? No judgement, no everlasting guilt, just there here and now. How does that effect consience? If I am just a bag of loosely coherent cells acting on chemical reactions I call instinct and thought, then what does it matter how I effect other bags of cells that are nothing more than chemical reactions that give an illusion of person? So is there a need for an afterlife to keep society together and functional?
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Can you imagine how terrified (and I mean truly terrified, not just a little perturbed) people would be if they knew there was no form of afterlife, and that everything they were and had been would be snuffed out?
I'm not terrified
Nothing can be done to change it so why worry about it :dunno:
Time is better spent elsewhere..
Quote by blonde
Do I believe in ghosts and people talking to 'spirits' and dead people? No.
Do I believe that the human brain is capable of SO much more than we realise? Yes.
I'm a scientist at heart - I need proof.
Can we prove or disprove it? :rascal:
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Maybe I should have said in my first post... I totally respect others views and beliefs on this matter but I just can't believe it myself.
Lack of proof isn't atually proof in itself. :rascal:
I just think in this day and age with all the technology available to us, we can send people to the moon yet nobody has actually been able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that ghosts exist.
And the first person to say "But maybe the moon landings were fake?" will get a :kick:
This may seem strange but I find the belief that there is no afterlife tremedously life affirming.
Why? Since I believe this is the only go I get. I try to make it count. I'm nice to people now cos that when it counts.
I have come to accept that I will die and there is no more and I suspect I will not get my 3 score and 10 years.
I try very hard to make every minute I've got count. :D
Why? Since I believe this is the only go I get. I try to make it count. I'm nice to people now cos that when it counts.
I have come to accept that I will die and there is no more and I suspect I will not get my 3 score and 10 years.
I try very hard to make every minute I've got count. :D Quote by keeno
This may seem strange but I find the belief that there is no afterlife tremedously life affirming.
Why? Since I believe this is the only go I get. I try to make it count. I'm nice to people now cos that when it counts.
I have come to accept that I will die and there is no more and I suspect I will not get my 3 score and 10 years.
That is one of the main reasons I quite like you Keeno, that is the best thing I've read all day!
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This may seem strange but I find the belief that there is no afterlife tremedously life affirming.
Why? Since I believe this is the only go I get. I try to make it count. I'm nice to people now cos that when it counts.
I have come to accept that I will die and there is no more and I suspect I will not get my 3 score and 10 years.
That is one of the main reasons I quite like you Keeno, that is the best thing I've read all day!
Thanks Jaymar :D
Only "quite like" :(
I'll have to try harder
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This may seem strange but I find the belief that there is no afterlife tremedously life affirming.
Why? Since I believe this is the only go I get. I try to make it count. I'm nice to people now cos that when it counts.
I have come to accept that I will die and there is no more and I suspect I will not get my 3 score and 10 years.
That is one of the main reasons I quite like you Keeno, that is the best thing I've read all day!
Thanks Jaymar :D
Only "quite like" :(
I'll have to try harder
I like a man who does "harder" but now I'm being rude!
N you know I'm in total admiration and respect of you M x
Quote by Mallock2006
I'm not terrified
Nothing can be done to change it so why worry about it :dunno:
Time is better spent elsewhere..
Given how many people seem to need an organised depiction of a creator/ overseer to explain the various (usually negative) aspects of life and existence in general, I'd say if the lack of afterlife was proven without a shadow of a doubt there'd be chaos. Not anarchy, simply chaos. Some people can happliy believe this is all there is, and still find a meaning and purpose to living in the here and now, but I suspect a great many would simply fall apart when faced with unquestionable mortality.
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Quote by Shambolic
I'm not terrified
Nothing can be done to change it so why worry about it :dunno:
Time is better spent elsewhere..
Given how many people seem to need an organised depiction of a creator/ overseer to explain the various (usually negative) aspects of life and existence in general, I'd say if the lack of afterlife was proven without a shadow of a doubt there'd be chaos. Not anarchy, simply chaos. Some people can happliy believe this is all there is, and still find a meaning and purpose to living in the here and now, but I suspect a great many would simply fall apart when faced with unquestionable mortality.
:grin: Thats why people have faith, to find a reason for all the bad things that happen in thier lives and make it seem just that little bit more bearable
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I'm not terrified
Nothing can be done to change it so why worry about it :dunno:
Time is better spent elsewhere..
Given how many people seem to need an organised depiction of a creator/ overseer to explain the various (usually negative) aspects of life and existence in general, I'd say if the lack of afterlife was proven without a shadow of a doubt there'd be chaos. Not anarchy, simply chaos. Some people can happliy believe this is all there is, and still find a meaning and purpose to living in the here and now, but I suspect a great many would simply fall apart when faced with unquestionable mortality.
Have you seen the film Children of Man? This shows the effect on society when no babies are born for 20 years. The collapse of society potrayed is very interesting. It's the world ending with a whimper rather than a bang.
I think what is potrayed in the film could well illustrate what you are talking about.
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But you have no idea how long I've waited to use the word phenomenological in here, and I'll be damned if I was going to miss the chance!
Well done!
I am impressed!
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
You think that's impressive.....try this! A conversation I had last week with my 7 year old;
Me "......because you have an excellent vocabulary. In fact I think you know more words than a lot of grown ups"
Her "Hmmmmm, you mean like phenomenological?"
Me " :shock: "
Mini hijack over...............
:spooked emoticon: @ Juniper_Couple!
this thread is rather fascinating...
I have a belief system (not an overly *comforting* one) and certain, shall we say *experiences* in life which quite dramatically contradict each other...
I'd like to think...stress *like*.... that I could come back to this thread with a coherant post... however I doubt it...
i hasn't happened so far...
lp
this thread is rather fascinating...
I have a belief system (not an overly *comforting* one) and certain, shall we say *experiences* in life which quite dramatically contradict each other...
I'd like to think...stress *like*.... that I could come back to this thread with a coherant post... however I doubt it...
i hasn't happened so far...
lp
I am not a techy ............... so how do I add a poll to this?
Something like ......
Do you believe in an afterlife?
Do you think when you are dead thats it?
Do you think there is something but dont know what?
Do you think there is absolutely nothing so you can be as naughty as you want?
Is there a techy person who could do it for me or can someone PM me and tell me how?
Ta you sexy little lovepots
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Something like ......
Do you believe in an afterlife?
Do you think when you are dead thats it?
Do you think there is something but dont know what?
Do you think there is absolutely nothing so you can be as naughty as you want?
Is there a techy person who could do it for me or can someone PM me and tell me how?
Ta you sexy little lovepots
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Quote by keeno
I'm not terrified
Nothing can be done to change it so why worry about it :dunno:
Time is better spent elsewhere..
Given how many people seem to need an organised depiction of a creator/ overseer to explain the various (usually negative) aspects of life and existence in general, I'd say if the lack of afterlife was proven without a shadow of a doubt there'd be chaos. Not anarchy, simply chaos. Some people can happliy believe this is all there is, and still find a meaning and purpose to living in the here and now, but I suspect a great many would simply fall apart when faced with unquestionable mortality.
Have you seen the film Children of Man? This shows the effect on society when no babies are born for 20 years. The collapse of society potrayed is very interesting. It's the world ending with a whimper rather than a bang.
I think what is potrayed in the film could well illustrate what you are talking about.
I was asking people the same last night in the chatroom, I had just watched it myself and found it deeply moving. It was amazing how in warfare and guns going off all over, grown men stopped fighting for two mins when they heard a baby cry, very moving indeed.
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Bugger ........ I've done it wrong havent I ?
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
yes xxxx
aaaw bless Quote by Kiss
Do I believe in ghosts and people talking to 'spirits' and dead people? No.
Do I believe that the human brain is capable of SO much more than we realise? Yes.
I'm a scientist at heart - I need proof.
I thought you were a Buddhist, doesn’t that mean you have to believe in reincarnation.
Oh, and the moon landings, very fishy if you ask me.
As for the question, I’m on the fence. I’ve had odd experiences, I’ve heard others have had them, but I’ve never had absolute proof.
reincarnation in itsself can be a very tricky business, depending on which *school*/tradition etc you might follow or read...
it doesnt neccessarily >did I spell that right this time?< mean a full and propper rebirth into another form or person... though it can also mean that...
... theres talk of a *stream* which we might all be progressing along... unaware of our place upon it, and how that stream flows is, or might be based on our actions today... a cause and effect type of deal...
ahem...however that cause and effect mallarki can and is a moment to moment affair... not particularly pertaining to the good life/bad life-knock on effect of how we behave...
did anyone notice above where I said something along the lines of I may attempt to post something coherant?
didn't woyk, did it?
lp
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it doesnt neccessarily >did I spell that right this time?< mean a full and propper rebirth into another form or person... though it can also mean that...
... theres talk of a *stream* which we might all be progressing along... unaware of our place upon it, and how that stream flows is, or might be based on our actions today... a cause and effect type of deal...
ahem...however that cause and effect mallarki can and is a moment to moment affair... not particularly pertaining to the good life/bad life-knock on effect of how we behave...
did anyone notice above where I said something along the lines of I may attempt to post something coherant?
didn't woyk, did it?
lp
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