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this site is defo for fantasy I really dont think people meet up lol lol it's easier to go pub and find swinger
I might be wrong but I don't think the people we've met here over the years are imaginary.
I'd give it a little more time, your profile states that you only joined 5 hours ago lol ;)
Had a guy round today, left a huge creampie in Eve. We get messages from blokes 300 miles away with no photo, one said he'd come yet his profile said he is in switzerland! Been let down more than once, had one do a runner lost his bottle, one clearly was just wanking off exchanging messages. We state LOCAL ask for non smokers (one stank of cigs and couldnt get it up). I can't answer or invite EVERY seeker or we'd be doing a dozen a day! And I get fed up of all this just trying to sort a bit of fun for EVE.
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Had a guy round today, left a huge creampie in Eve. We get messages from blokes 300 miles away with no photo, one said he'd come yet his profile said he is in switzerland! Been let down more than once, had one do a runner lost his bottle, one clearly was just wanking off exchanging messages. We state LOCAL ask for non smokers (one stank of cigs and couldnt get it up). I can't answer or invite EVERY seeker or we'd be doing a dozen a day! And I get fed up of all this just trying to sort a bit of fun for EVE.
I bet you get hundreds of offers but as you state, most are dreamers and spend time wanking while you chat online.
I’m quite local to you so maybe one day
The thing is we are still in a pandemic, it would be stupid to just meet without chatting on here then calling to ensure they are who they appear. Also you need to meet in person first, then you can assess your potential suitor and see if there is a connection. Above all else you have to be safe and secure, you are going to have to trust them before you let yourself go, being friends helps before getting down to the enjoyable bit. Yes there are time-wasters but they will trip up and you will find out who they really are, put it down to experience.
I think your missing the point. We are talking about the general success of this site prior to pandemic. This site whilst technically one of the best swingers sites has a poor successful meet rate with few active people looking to meet. This has got worse over last 3/4 years. Forget the pandemic excuse!
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Had a guy round today, left a huge creampie in Eve. We get messages from blokes 300 miles away with no photo, one said he'd come yet his profile said he is in switzerland! Been let down more than once, had one do a runner lost his bottle, one clearly was just wanking off exchanging messages. We state LOCAL ask for non smokers (one stank of cigs and couldnt get it up). I can't answer or invite EVERY seeker or we'd be doing a dozen a day! And I get fed up of all this just trying to sort a bit of fun for EVE.
What about Covid19..
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I think your missing the point. We are talking about the general success of this site prior to pandemic. This site whilst technically one of the best swingers sites has a poor successful meet rate with few active people looking to meet. This has got worse over last 3/4 years. Forget the pandemic excuse!
I'd be interested to know if you're talking anecdotally or have some comparative data to back up your claim? We've been members of another site for a long time but have found this place far better.
Of course, regardless of the site, it's a very different experience for guys than couples/females who generally have no shortage of men wanting to meet them. In the absence of any actual membership numbers and makeup, I do feel there's a larger number of guys active here than ever before and that's what is making it harder for them to secure meetings, especially where their opening gambit is just a wink or one liner and they clearly haven't even read the profile they're responding to...
Maybe theres a greater number of people on the other site looking for quick random sex and a greater number of couples and females into the type of swinging percieved to be more conventional on here. That said it mostly appears from the outside that single guys have an unrealistic idea of what swinging is maybe
Well its legal now so for some the risks will be acceptable I guess
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Well its legal now so for some the risks will be acceptable I guess
going to someones house for a meet etc
Quote by Snuffles87Quote by MrandMrsBadgoing to someones house for a meet etcQuote by Snuffles87What's legal
Well its legal now so for some the risks will be acceptable I guess
Really..and having sex with strangers and passing on the Coronavirus..no wonder its coming back with a vengeance. Oh my days.
Quote by MrandMrsBadQuote by Snuffles87Really..and having sex with strangers and passing on the Coronavirus..no wonder its coming back with a vengeance. Oh my days.Quote by MrandMrsBadgoing to someones house for a meet etcQuote by Snuffles87What's legal
Well its legal now so for some the risks will be acceptable I guess
This is an adult site and therefore adults make their own decisions and decide their own risk levels - a bit like someone who prefers bareback. Some think it is a risk too far, others accept that risk.
Each to their own and why should they be taken to task over it?
Wow..the thing is..Coronavirus is very contagious..and can be passed on to family members, especially the older generation of that family and therefore could end up killing them..unlike a sexually transmitted disease, unless you are into shagging your family members..you could then pass the Coronavirus on to me at the Tesco checkout because you caught it off someone you met the night before for sex, you have never previously met..you can not make any arguments in your favour regarding meeting folk for sex during the pandemic..and this is why it is coming back, because of irresponsible people and behaviour.
Quote by MalQuote by MrandMrsBadThis is an adult site and therefore adults make their own decisions and decide their own risk levels - a bit like someone who prefers bareback. Some think it is a risk too far, others accept that risk.Quote by Snuffles87Really..and having sex with strangers and passing on the Coronavirus..no wonder its coming back with a vengeance. Oh my days.Quote by MrandMrsBadgoing to someones house for a meet etcQuote by Snuffles87What's legal
Well its legal now so for some the risks will be acceptable I guess
Each to their own and why should they be taken to task over it?
Wow and you're moderater too..you should be ashamed of yourself, encouraging people to carry on as normal during the biggest threat to other people's life's ..unbelievable. .
Quote by MalQuote by MrandMrsBadThis is an adult site and therefore adults make their own decisions and decide their own risk levels - a bit like someone who prefers bareback. Some think it is a risk too far, others accept that risk.Quote by Snuffles87Really..and having sex with strangers and passing on the Coronavirus..no wonder its coming back with a vengeance. Oh my days.Quote by MrandMrsBadgoing to someones house for a meet etcQuote by Snuffles87What's legal
Well its legal now so for some the risks will be acceptable I guess
Each to their own and why should they be taken to task over it?
https://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/459614.html#post4119123
Quote by MrandMrsBadQuote by MalWow and you're moderater too..you should be ashamed of yourself, encouraging people to carry on as normal during the biggest threat to other people's life's ..unbelievable. .Quote by MrandMrsBadThis is an adult site and therefore adults make their own decisions and decide their own risk levels - a bit like someone who prefers bareback. Some think it is a risk too far, others accept that risk.Quote by Snuffles87Really..and having sex with strangers and passing on the Coronavirus..no wonder its coming back with a vengeance. Oh my days.Quote by MrandMrsBadgoing to someones house for a meet etcQuote by Snuffles87What's legal
Well its legal now so for some the risks will be acceptable I guess
Each to their own and why should they be taken to task over it?
I'm also a member and have a view, the same as everyone else on the site, even you. I have nothing to be ashamed of as I haven't encouraged anyone, and I'll say that bit again, I haven't encouraged anyone to do anything at all - unless you can show me otherwise??
It appears to me that you seem the biggest advocate of anyone not meeting, which in one way can be applaudable, but in the same breath that you advocate people not risking one thing, you advocate risking catching a sexually transmitted disease, which have been known to lead to the deaths of others.
I know the risks of Covid and I don't advocate anyone risk catching it - unless you can show me where I have?
Quote by MalQuote by MrandMrsBadI'm also a member and have a view, the same as everyone else on the site, even you. I have nothing to be ashamed of as I haven't encouraged anyone, and I'll say that bit again, I haven't encouraged anyone to do anything at all - unless you can show me otherwise??Quote by MalWow and you're moderater too..you should be ashamed of yourself, encouraging people to carry on as normal during the biggest threat to other people's life's ..unbelievable. .Quote by MrandMrsBadThis is an adult site and therefore adults make their own decisions and decide their own risk levels - a bit like someone who prefers bareback. Some think it is a risk too far, others accept that risk.Quote by Snuffles87Really..and having sex with strangers and passing on the Coronavirus..no wonder its coming back with a vengeance. Oh my days.Quote by MrandMrsBadgoing to someones house for a meet etcQuote by Snuffles87What's legal
Well its legal now so for some the risks will be acceptable I guess
Each to their own and why should they be taken to task over it?
It appears to me that you seem the biggest advocate of anyone not meeting, which in one way can be applaudable, but in the same breath that you advocate people not risking one thing, you advocate risking catching a sexually transmitted disease, which have been known to lead to the deaths of others.
I know the risks of Covid and I don't advocate anyone risk catching it - unless you can show me where I have?
You're ridiculous you really are..You must have been stalking our profile to come up with the unprotected sex angle..But..you can not compare the two risks..I would not catch and STD if I walked past you in Aldi, but I could possibly catch Covid-19 and then pass it on to my own family, the risk are worlds apart...The is an open forum and anyone can comment and have an opinion..But I feel admin or a moderator really do need to think before getting involved, it does not look good on the sites part regarding this pandemic and the risks it brings..I have a big concerns for others that seem to think this virus would not effect them and or others, and are carrying on as normal..those poor Nurses and Doctors they have to pick up the pieces of other people's recklessness , There is a second wave on it's way and the government are implementing more lockdown measures to help combat it..Yet you and SH are quite happy for people to carry on as normal and in fact tell me off like a child and dismiss my concerns, and yet one of your own moderaters had posted a warning regarding posting meet requests during this pandemic..
Quote by MrandMrsBadQuote by MalYou're ridiculous you really are..You must have been stalking our profile to come up with the unprotected sex angle..But..you can not compare the two risks..I would not catch and STD if I walked past you in Aldi, but I could possibly catch Covid-19 and then pass it on to my own family, the risk are worlds apart...The is an open forum and anyone can comment and have an opinion..But I feel admin or a moderator really do need to think before getting involved, it does not look good on the sites part regarding this pandemic and the risks it brings..I have a big concerns for others that seem to think this virus would not effect them and or others, and are carrying on as normal..those poor Nurses and Doctors they have to pick up the pieces of other people's recklessness , There is a second wave on it's way and the government are implementing more lockdown measures to help combat it..Yet you and SH are quite happy for people to carry on as normal and in fact tell me off like a child and dismiss my concerns, and yet one of your own moderaters had posted a warning regarding posting meet requests during this pandemic..Quote by MrandMrsBadI'm also a member and have a view, the same as everyone else on the site, even you. I have nothing to be ashamed of as I haven't encouraged anyone, and I'll say that bit again, I haven't encouraged anyone to do anything at all - unless you can show me otherwise??Quote by MalWow and you're moderater too..you should be ashamed of yourself, encouraging people to carry on as normal during the biggest threat to other people's life's ..unbelievable. .Quote by MrandMrsBadThis is an adult site and therefore adults make their own decisions and decide their own risk levels - a bit like someone who prefers bareback. Some think it is a risk too far, others accept that risk.Quote by Snuffles87Really..and having sex with strangers and passing on the Coronavirus..no wonder its coming back with a vengeance. Oh my days.Quote by MrandMrsBadgoing to someones house for a meet etcQuote by Snuffles87What's legal
Well its legal now so for some the risks will be acceptable I guess
Each to their own and why should they be taken to task over it?
It appears to me that you seem the biggest advocate of anyone not meeting, which in one way can be applaudable, but in the same breath that you advocate people not risking one thing, you advocate risking catching a sexually transmitted disease, which have been known to lead to the deaths of others.
I know the risks of Covid and I don't advocate anyone risk catching it - unless you can show me where I have?
Well that escalated quickly didn't it?
I think you're missing the point of Mal's post- what he actually said is that people will assess the risks for themselves and do as they see fit based on how they evaluate that risk- just as they do assessing risks of other things happening to them. Everything from Armed Robbery to Base Jumping to crossing the road carries a certain risk and where things get "too risky" for each person varies massively.
Where this seems to cause problems is in how people perceive those risks, clearly from what you've posted above, you're comfortable with some risks and not others, that is, of course, perfectly fine and to be expected, but if you expect people to respect your personal risk assessments you have to respect theirs too when it comes to their own safety.
I'm sure your attitude to unprotected sex would horrify some people as much as you are horrified by people who are happy to meet under the current circumstances- the only difference is the individual's point of view.
As for the warning posted by Cubes- absolutely right, they would appear to be different messages, however they are also five MONTHS apart, I think you'll agree that government guidance has changed dramatically in that time, so its only to be expected so have people's views on meeting... SH's advice on this has and continues to be, follow the government guidance.
For the record- I don't advocate meeting any more people that you have to at the moment, but that's just my view. (as Mal pointed out, we're all allowed one of those)
I do take issue with you claiming that Mal was encouraging anything though, he clearly did no such thing.
As for "Stalking" your profile: I would have thought it was good manners to check the profile of the person you're talking to in a forum so you have some idea of who they are and where they are coming from, given that and the fact you've got bareback in all capitals on your profile text for everyone to see makes it pretty safe ground for discussion surely- you clearly felt able to share that preference with anyone reading your profile. Stalking has a criminal connotation in this country now due to some people having incredibly bad experiences with some individuals, please do not equate reading a publicly posted profile with that kind of activity, it's totally uncalled for and undermines people who have had their lives made miserable by actual stalkers..
Quote by MrandMrsBadQuote by Snuffles87Really..and having sex with strangers and passing on the Coronavirus..no wonder its coming back with a vengeance. Oh my days.Quote by MrandMrsBadgoing to someones house for a meet etcQuote by Snuffles87What's legal
Well its legal now so for some the risks will be acceptable I guess
I wasnt saying it was right or wrong, just pointing out its legal.
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Help control the virus
To protect yourself and others, when you leave home you must:
If you are feeling unwell, get a test and do not leave home for at least 10 days.
Now they have the new 90 minute test deployed you only have to spend an hour an a half chatting and getting to know each other before the all clear or not is given, I wonder if we all qualify for this test. And before hand you have to have some sort of trust and security built up between you all, is never going to be a " Hi, your nice, lets get a hotel room....................was it good for you ? Bye "
Quote by Snuffles87Quote by MrandMrsBadI wasnt saying it was right or wrong, just pointing out its legal.Quote by Snuffles87Really..and having sex with strangers and passing on the Coronavirus..no wonder its coming back with a vengeance. Oh my days.Quote by MrandMrsBadgoing to someones house for a meet etcQuote by Snuffles87What's legal
Well its legal now so for some the risks will be acceptable I guess
Oh dear, now you have brought stalkers in to it..that was a figure of speech, of course it was..And please stop with the unprecedented sex angle and the fact we don't mind it, like probably half the folk on here. The two do not compare, like have said in my other replies..I WILL not get an STD or neither will other walking past each other in a store..but I could possibly catch Covid-19 this way..I would not kill a member of my family or the wider public walking past them with an STD. But, I possibly could if I passed on Covid-19. So let's leave the unprotected sex angle compared to Covid-19 behind.
I am not missing the point ..My point is and it's the Governments and the Doctors point of view too..STRANGERS should not meet..or at least keep a safe distance to help stop the spread of Covid-19..now I'm sure, having sex with strangers is not a thing they would condone, because obviously, it would be impossible to stop Covid-19 passing from one person to another, if one of those persons as it, then they go home to their family and so on and pass it on to them..no matter what you think or presume..A site like this has a duty of care,and should not be allowing meet request adverts. No excuses or reasoning..or changing the subject regarding stalking or STDs..THE FACT is Coronavirus is very contagious and in fact is on the brink of coming back and putting us all into lockdown again..we are in lockdown in Manchester because of new outbreak cases ..I come on here and see new meet request and wonder why this is being allowed..OK yes, this is a swinging site and of course we ae all here for the same purpose..and I understand that SH wants to keep it's members happy and of course keeps it's membership revenue..But you do have a big responsibility to others who may unintentionally become a victim of Covid-19 and die from it, because they come in contact with someone from here who has met strangers for sex who as Coronavirus...You have this policy of not showing tattoos in videos and pictures to protect those folk in them that might not want to be identified, even though they know the risks of allowing to be filmed. Yet you are vary happy to let folk place meet request and possibly kill innocent members of the public...come on you must see were you argument with me is going wrong...I felt I had to say something to those posting meet request to remind them of this...People no matter what excuse, should not be meeting for sexually encounters whilst this deadly pandemic is still around us..I am not going to say anymore on this matter now I see I am losing the battle because two moderaters have got involved now..I have screened shot these conversations for my own references ....STOP making excuses STOP meet request aderts and posts until at least this deadly pandemic as passed or we have a vaccine...
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Oh dear, now you have brought stalkers in to it..that was a figure of speech, of course it was..And please stop with the unprecedented sex angle and the fact we don't mind it, like probably half the folk on here. The two do not compare, like have said in my other replies..I WILL not get an STD or neither will other walking past each other in a store..but I could possibly catch Covid-19 this way..I would not kill a member of my family or the wider public walking past them with an STD. But, I possibly could if I passed on Covid-19. So let's leave the unprotected sex angle compared to Covid-19 behind.
I am not missing the point ..My point is and it's the Governments and the Doctors point of view too..STRANGERS should not meet..or at least keep a safe distance to help stop the spread of Covid-19..now I'm sure, having sex with strangers is not a thing they would condone, because obviously, it would be impossible to stop Covid-19 passing from one person to another, if one of those persons as it, then they go home to their family and so on and pass it on to them..no matter what you think or presume..A site like this has a duty of care,and should not be allowing meet request adverts. No excuses or reasoning..or changing the subject regarding stalking or STDs..THE FACT is Coronavirus is very contagious and in fact is on the brink of coming back and putting us all into lockdown again..we are in lockdown in Manchester because of new outbreak cases ..I come on here and see new meet request and wonder why this is being allowed..OK yes, this is a swinging site and of course we ae all here for the same purpose..and I understand that SH wants to keep it's members happy and of course keeps it's membership revenue..But you do have a big responsibility to others who may unintentionally become a victim of Covid-19 and die from it, because they come in contact with someone from here who has met strangers for sex who as Coronavirus...You have this policy of not showing tattoos in videos and pictures to protect those folk in them that might not want to be identified, even though they know the risks of allowing to be filmed. Yet you are vary happy to let folk place meet request and possibly kill innocent members of the public...come on you must see were you argument with me is going wrong...I felt I had to say something to those posting meet request to remind them of this...People no matter what excuse, should not be meeting for sexually encounters whilst this deadly pandemic is still around us..I am not going to say anymore on this matter now I see I am losing the battle because two moderaters have got involved now..I have screened shot these conversations for my own references ....STOP making excuses STOP meet request aderts and posts until at least this deadly pandemic as passed or we have a vaccine...
Well i think we all know your position now, some will listen others will not. Id suggest if two moderators disagree with the way you present your arguments and communicate with others, then maybe you're in the wrong? Anyway, im not sure you did you otherwise valid point of view any favours, even im tempted to arrange a meet just because you tried to tell me i cant do something thats perfectly legal.
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Oh dear, now you have brought stalkers in to it..that was a figure of speech, of course it was..And please stop with the unprecedented sex angle and the fact we don't mind it, like probably half the folk on here. The two do not compare, like have said in my other replies..I WILL not get an STD or neither will other walking past each other in a store..but I could possibly catch Covid-19 this way..I would not kill a member of my family or the wider public walking past them with an STD. But, I possibly could if I passed on Covid-19. So let's leave the unprotected sex angle compared to Covid-19 behind.
I am not missing the point ..My point is and it's the Governments and the Doctors point of view too..STRANGERS should not meet..or at least keep a safe distance to help stop the spread of Covid-19..now I'm sure, having sex with strangers is not a thing they would condone, because obviously, it would be impossible to stop Covid-19 passing from one person to another, if one of those persons as it, then they go home to their family and so on and pass it on to them..no matter what you think or presume..A site like this has a duty of care,and should not be allowing meet request adverts. No excuses or reasoning..or changing the subject regarding stalking or STDs..THE FACT is Coronavirus is very contagious and in fact is on the brink of coming back and putting us all into lockdown again..we are in lockdown in Manchester because of new outbreak cases ..I come on here and see new meet request and wonder why this is being allowed..OK yes, this is a swinging site and of course we ae all here for the same purpose..and I understand that SH wants to keep it's members happy and of course keeps it's membership revenue..But you do have a big responsibility to others who may unintentionally become a victim of Covid-19 and die from it, because they come in contact with someone from here who has met strangers for sex who as Coronavirus...You have this policy of not showing tattoos in videos and pictures to protect those folk in them that might not want to be identified, even though they know the risks of allowing to be filmed. Yet you are vary happy to let folk place meet request and possibly kill innocent members of the public...come on you must see were you argument with me is going wrong...I felt I had to say something to those posting meet request to remind them of this...People no matter what excuse, should not be meeting for sexually encounters whilst this deadly pandemic is still around us..I am not going to say anymore on this matter now I see I am losing the battle because two moderaters have got involved now..I have screened shot these conversations for my own references ....STOP making excuses STOP meet request aderts and posts until at least this deadly pandemic as passed or we have a vaccine...
Ok- I feel like I may be about to commence banging my head on a brick wall again, so I'm going to stick to a few important points, but here we go..
I didn't bring stalking into this conversation- you did.
The "Duty of Care" as you call it, of the site extends to things that happen on the site and over which the site has direct control, not some extended version of that which you feel the site should bear responsibility for. Unfortunately that's just not possible, practical or reasonable. Ultimately the use of the site is governed by the AuP.
You've asked that we don't mention comparing your approach to the risks of unprotected sex to risks associated with Covid. At the same time you're drawing a comparison between the sites rules on images vs the rules you think the site should have about meets- you can't really have it both ways in a discussion.
I would say your assertion that people may unintentionally become exposed to Covid is misleading. I don't think many people would intentionally expose themselves to it under any circumstances, but I'd also like to think that after five months of news coverage and discussion, most people are reasonably well informed about it and know there is some, residual risk, of it being contracted however careful you are. Unless you are 100% isolated from everyone else and don't touch anything anyone else has touched. All any of us can do is do our best to reduce our own risks to a minimum where possible.
Further, I'd like to think that if people choose to meet then they understand the risks, after all it IS possible to meet people and comply with government guidance on social distancing etc. otherwise, who are all the people in pubs and restaurants going out with? people they all live with?
You also say that it's a fact that the virus is coming back, it's doing no such thing, you can't come back if you never went away and the virus never went away, the levels just reduced, that is very different.
On the subject of your facts, you'll find that Covid appears to be slightly more contagious than the flu, but much less contagious than say, measles, so calling it highly contagious as a 'fact' is also a little misleading when looked at from a clinical point of view.
Ultimately- Cubes nailed it, he even linked the government advice for you, can't say fairer than that.
Finally, as far as I am concerned, this was a discussion not an argument 
As the male (surprise!) of a couple who have only recently joined, nothing has given me as much pleasure and reassurance as reading this thread. I'm honestly not sure which of us is driving this but it's something we're both very excited about and pretty much every message I've read on this post has validated my opinion on 'swingers', though I confess I don't really like the term itself. My opinion was always that people who express and act on their sexual desires were always likely to be more friendly, relaxed, articulate (more intelligent even though I won't delve too much into that in case that's a wee bit intellectually elitist) and comfortable with themselves than the incels and those living by an arbitrary moral code and reading this thread has confirmed that.
I think loving your partner means that they're the ones you're sharing your life with as well as your body and that inviting others to share their bodies with you, as a couple, is capable of being an expression of the quality of the strength of feeling you have with each other. My first few days have been mostly talking to single guys (surprise! again :-) ) and there have been a couple of decent ones but there have also been the predatory frustrated fools who assume that giving my wife to the pleasure of another is some kind of subservient act by me rather than the thrill of allowing her to own and explore her sexual desires. I'd found those conversations more irksome than anything else and I'm pleased that my views are so clearly shared.
I'm aware that I'm largely preaching to the choir, in a kind of 'Peoples Front for Judea Hate The Romans a Lot' kind of way but when we get to meet our first couple, I hope it's either one of the contributors on this thread or someone just like them.
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As the male (surprise!) of a couple who have only recently joined, nothing has given me as much pleasure and reassurance as reading this thread. I'm honestly not sure which of us is driving this but it's something we're both very excited about and pretty much every message I've read on this post has validated my opinion on 'swingers', though I confess I don't really like the term itself. My opinion was always that people who express and act on their sexual desires were always likely to be more friendly, relaxed, articulate (more intelligent even though I won't delve too much into that in case that's a wee bit intellectually elitist) and comfortable with themselves than the incels and those living by an arbitrary moral code and reading this thread has confirmed that.
I think loving your partner means that they're the ones you're sharing your life with as well as your body and that inviting others to share their bodies with you, as a couple, is capable of being an expression of the quality of the strength of feeling you have with each other. My first few days have been mostly talking to single guys (surprise! again :-) ) and there have been a couple of decent ones but there have also been the predatory frustrated fools who assume that giving my wife to the pleasure of another is some kind of subservient act by me rather than the thrill of allowing her to own and explore her sexual desires. I'd found those conversations more irksome than anything else and I'm pleased that my views are so clearly shared.
I'm aware that I'm largely preaching to the choir, in a kind of 'Peoples Front for Judea Hate The Romans a Lot' kind of way but when we get to meet our first couple, I hope it's either one of the contributors on this thread or someone just like them.
Welcome to the site brother (and sister), I'm sure you'll settle in great here 👍....
Although.. please note this is the Judeas Peoples Front...
Mora x
