Dogging & the straight man - a curious female dogger

16 Dec 2006

This is a really interesting thread. I'm quite curious to read about it with the 'shoe' being on the other foot.. or rather ... well you know where that is headed.
I think that it's interesting that in any given sexual situation, despite the lack of intimacy or vocalisation seeing something that you have not seen before or thinking about something new can sometimes lead to a new fantasy or an opened part of your own sexual repertoire.
Perchance a lot of men in an entangled situation may find it sexually arousing to see a man on their or another man's penis, as it's a new visual image and perhaps not one that they have entertained as being sexually exciting.
I am bi, and find it very interesting to see how bi men act in situations like this.
amber x

16 Dec 2006

Quote by HornyBear
Forgive me if I repeat what I may have said before on this subject. I am not into dogging in any way but the Thread has opened up to discuss Bi guys and how this may or may not be triggered?
Kiss mentioned a lady friend being 'situationally- Bi', I feel I am 'Bi-hedonistic' and by that I mean I am not Bi-curious because I am comfortable with my sexuality but would never get abything out of meeting a guy 1 on 1. However I do enjoy pleasuring both partners with a cpl in a 3some or 4some situation. And for me the turn on is seeing how the lady (or ladies) get turned on and enjoy the experience of seeing their partners enjoy it. There is also some 'sharing' that can take place but that is off-Thread!
katie you mentioned honesty and I fully agree with you but I do not say I am Bi in my profile for 3 reasons: I do not wish to have 150 emails a day from Bi and Gay guys. I do not wish to mislead any guys as to my intentions or aspirations and if a cpl are both Bi and I want to introduce myself I can do that more easily in my does this make me dishonest? I hope not of course.

I can understand your reasons for not putting bi in your profile and i can see why, but you can choose not to accept mail from single males in your settings if that the main reason, so why have you put your straight? just a question as im curious and think it's interesting that most people in your position always seem to label themselves straight, you could always put N/A and tell any prospective meets when initial contact is made rather than put just straight, because as mentioned before some couples don't/won't play with bi males for reasons of there own which we have to accept, and i'm not saying that if such a couple contacted you that you would say you were 100% straight but lets be honest, some would just to get a meet, but i think N/A would be more suited and be descriptive in your text that you only play bi in female company blah blah or in innital first contact, chat etc, any couple looking for a bi male would bypass your profile so you could also be losing prospective meets, Like Bloke said above a lot of guy's thats contacted him have straight in their profile and if he was looking for a meet himself he wouldn't even have considered contacting them after looking at there profile, i know its just a label but it's no different really from putting single in your profile when your married or part of a couple when you think of it that way.

17 Dec 2006

Isnt the reluctance to admit having Bi feelings a product of upbringing in a society that celebrates female on female (think lads mags) but pokes thinly veiled criticism at male gay contacts (think the daily mail).
Im Bi but only just so, the first few times i met up with guys and did things i kept leaving saying to myself "thats it now, the last time, didnt really do anything for me- just trying it was all" Even though i knew i didnt believe it. The years of pressure from such a macho culture made me feel like a bad person for enjoying what was happening
I also think good points have been made about the situational aspect of it. Id go 1 further than that and say that i think alot of men have gay or bi "limits" that they are comfy with. I enjoy being wanked and sucked by a guy but have no interest in anal whatsoever- it just simply doesnt sound much fun to me. Ive never sucked a guy off but i want to and know i will i just need to have enough confidence to do so.
I must admit that the internet has opened my eyes. 7 or 8yrs ago i would have thought that the swinging/bi male community was a very small thing that hardly anyone was into (which maybe had the idea harder to accept). Yet visiting this website and actually going to some of the dogging sites has amazed me. There are plenty of well known dogging sites that i could visit almost anytime of the day and within 15mins meet a guy and get some fun. They seem to come from a broad cross section of society aswell, young,old,posh,truckers etc etc so ive come to think that its something that a vast majority of men must find interesting.

17 Dec 2006

The musings of the "gayest straight man" rotflmao

Why do some men that may be "situationally bi" "bi curious" "bisexual" or any 'label' not put it in their profile, or allow it to be public knowledge ??
IM(genuinely)HO . . . .
One of the main reasons is the homophobia displayed, publicly or privately by some of the other males within the lifestyle.
An attitude that disappoints me, annoys me, and I find quite frankly disturbing. If you have a preference, then by all means; that preference should be expressed. What I find most annoying is the attitude with which those preferences are displayed.
I have to say that I find it slightly amusing when those same people then go on to complain and ridicule other straight men that can't "perform" in the company of other men.
It's often been said that bi men can be the best playmates for couples. And if the bi guy "gets a little extra buzz" by being in the company of sexually aroused people - I would consider that a good thing.
Like many other men on here, I have no problem playing "in the company" of bi or gay men. The obvious proviso in my case, is that they stay to their own side of the bed :wink: As one of the Dave's said earlier - There willbe contact. Whether that's during blow jobs, standard DP, or - God forbid :shock: the lady might want two cocks in the pussy. That won't necessarily pass as, or develop, into "sexual interaction" Let's be frank (or Bob) - some of the gorgeous ladies we have here do wander off in to a cock frenzy at times. And we should jolly well give them what they want ! ! ! !
If you're doing the chair fuck, and she reaches out with her hand for another cock and rubs the end of it against her very erect nipple while you're sucking the other one - are you going to stop ??? "Oooh No dear !! I couldn't possibly give you pleasure while there's another man's cock in my line of sight ! ! ! "
To labour NiL's point - do you really think that because the guy is bi, or has "tendencies" that way, he won't be able to resist the Adonis that is the straight guy ???
Refusing or rebuking the advances from a guy is pretty much the same as saying "No thank you" to a girl. And should be done (in the first instance) with the same level of manners and politeness.
In this thread we've been reminded of profiles and Photo Ads that include terms such as "No gays" No bi men" "My man is straight - straight - straight ! ! !" etc.
What is the "point" of a 3Some ? Or moreSome ??
Is it to get your rocks off ??
Or is the point that ALL involved get their rocks off ???????????
My apologies for wandering off the dogging topic aspect, but I think I read that the thread was moved to the cafe for geberal consumption.
*Disclaimer
Although I've written this mainly about "bi guys" - the same applies to bi girls and the homophobia that they sometimes face in similar situations.

17 Dec 2006

Quote by HornyBear
I regret anyone thinking I am less than honest as I feel I am one of the most open and courteous guys on here. However, yes part of the reason is the unwanted emails but as I said earlier, and more importantly I think, is I do not wish to mislead any Bi or gay guys as to my personal preferences. So I am damned if I do and damned if I don't but I guess I will have to live with that. Having said that I have added an extra paragraph to my Profile and added the 'Bi Couple' and 'couple with Bi male' to the 'What I am looking for' section.

Possibly bad choice of words there on my part HornyBear redface

So maybe a question: How does a guy show on his profile that he enjoys pleasuring both partners of a cpl but is in no way interested in playing 1 on 1 with guys? Let me give you an example: If I was lucky enough to play with Shireen and Steve (whch I won't because of age / distance / being a numpty!!) I would be totally turned on playing with Steve for Shireen's pleasure. If Steve left the room I would of course enjoy pleasuring the gorgeous Shireen but if Shireen left the room and I was just with Steve it would just end there. Nowt, zilch, end of. So any answers on this?

I have no idea if this will make sense at all but here goes :lol2:
Is it because, although you are bisexual you obviously prefer women and therefore it is her enjoyment that is paramount in your mind?? :dunno: I know what I mean and I know what you mean as HorbyBear... Not sure I can explain it though :dunno:

17 Dec 2006

The amount of times I have had/heard this type of conversation...
"How long have you been coming here?"
"I am here a couple of times per week most weeks, have done for the past year or so... I must say, you don't often see many couples or ladies up here"
"So are you here for the guys then?"
"Oh no, I am totally straight"
confused

Yet if you drive off and go back in about an hour.... pound to a penny his car will be empty and there will be an empty Cleo parked somewhere nearby :grin:

17 Dec 2006

Quote by PoloLady
The amount of times I have had/heard this type of conversation...
"How long have you been coming here?"
"I am here a couple of times per week most weeks, have done for the past year or so... I must say, you don't often see many couples or ladies up here"
"So are you here for the guys then?"
"Oh no, I am totally straight"

Yet if you drive off and go back in about an hour.... pound to a penny his car will be empty and there will be an empty Cleo parked somewhere nearby :grin:

Micras are also popular, so too are those Peugeot 206CC convertible hairdryer things wink

18 Dec 2006

Quote by dambuster
Refusing or rebuking the advances from a guy is pretty much the same as saying "No thank you" to a girl. And should be done (in the first instance) with the same level of manners and politeness.

A good point that should be remembered more often!
Lonni x

18 Dec 2006

Me & my mate have been shagging his wife for about 15yrs now, & its all been very hetro. But in the last 3 yrs she has had the fantasy of us sucking each others cocks, which we do do for her when we are all very aroused & we all enjoy it very much, neither of us goes as far as cumming in each others mouths, but she, again in the last few years, cant get enough cum in her mouth, from us both, which she did not like previously.I can only put this down to 'tastes' maturing & changing. I dont think i would consider either of us guys as bi or gay, but as previously mentioned "situationally" bi. I do like my mate to lick my balls while i'm poking his wife's fanny, & vice versa. I even like the vibrator poked up my butt while i'm shagging her too, but we have not gone as far as actually shagging each other. Weather we will do or not remains to be seen, she has expressed a desire for him to penetrate me while i am poking her, I'm not so sure, but would be willing to try. I just dont like the smell of shit, especially someone elses shit on my cock. How do you prevent this ? Does anyone know, or is it an occupational hazard ?
I dont really think that i would like to go out with the prime intention of 'getting it on' with another bloke. I went out dogging once but could not get a hard on, even when the girl was sucking my cock, it was not because there were other blokes there, it just all seemed a bit too 'cold blooded'. I must try again sometime, in the summer maybe.

18 Dec 2006

Quote by gliderguider
.... I even like the vibrator poked up my butt while i'm shagging her too, but we have not gone as far as actually shagging each other. Weather we will do or not remains to be seen, she has expressed a desire for him to penetrate me while i am poking her, I'm not so sure, but would be willing to try. I just dont like the smell of shit, especially someone elses shit on my cock. How do you prevent this ? Does anyone know, or is it an occupational hazard ?

Glycerine Suppositories wink

18 Dec 2006

Quote by gliderguider
Me & my mate have been shagging his wife for about 15yrs now, & its all been very hetro. But in the last 3 yrs she has had the fantasy of us sucking each others cocks, which we do do for her when we are all very aroused & we all enjoy it very much, neither of us goes as far as cumming in each others mouths, but she, again in the last few years, cant get enough cum in her mouth, from us both, which she did not like previously.I can only put this down to 'tastes' maturing & changing. I dont think i would consider either of us guys as bi or gay, but as previously mentioned "situationally" bi. I do like my mate to lick my balls while i'm poking his wife's fanny, & vice versa. I even like the vibrator poked up my butt while i'm shagging her too, but we have not gone as far as actually shagging each other. Weather we will do or not remains to be seen, she has expressed a desire for him to penetrate me while i am poking her, I'm not so sure, but would be willing to try. I just dont like the smell of shit, especially someone elses shit on my cock. How do you prevent this ? Does anyone know, or is it an occupational hazard ?

That is a classic first post if ever I read one.......
nearly fell off the chair...
Could try a peg on the nose lol....

18 Dec 2006

Yes, it is a first post, & your'e not telling me that it is an occupational hazard surely ! I'm serious, ! how do you prevent the poop from getting everywhere & stinking the place out. Honest, it's a serious question. ! The whole world of gays can not be surrounded by the stink of poop. I'm serious, whats the answer ?

18 Dec 2006

wear a condom!

18 Dec 2006

yeah right, it will stop the poop on my pole but not the poop & the stink. !

18 Dec 2006

Quote by gliderguider
yeah right, it will stop the poop on my pole but not the poop & the stink. !

am i the only one to find your post offensive,you clearly haven't a clue about anal sex!

18 Dec 2006

OK, let's all sit down, hold hands, be nice, take a deep breath (or pant!) and think about this for a minute (and if you relax, anal sex doesn't hurt half as much as you start out) wink

‘The whole world of gays can not be surrounded by the stink of poop’ because ....if yer gonna try anal sex please take notice of the following:
1) wear a condom if your doing the fucking – nuff said rolleyes

2) try and douche first – this involves rinsing out the arse area and most sex shops sell something that will fit onto the taps/shower to do this :P
3) try and take a crap at least a couple of hours before – that way, there’s nobody ‘waiting at the bus stop when the bus pulls in’ (this is an analogy… no play on words intended) :wink:
4) use LOTS of water-based lube – this will help ensure that you don’t tear the arse or lining, don’t come away with hemorrhoids (usually as a result of friction) and make the whole experience a lot more pleasant :thumbup:
5) don’t just 'whop' the thing up there – there are (at least) TWO rings of muscle AKA the anal sphincter and these will relax in their own good time – not observing this rule will produce momentary pain whereby women will be reminded of the moment when their first child’s head crowns (except not as bad) and for you men, the moment you first got kicked in the balls repeatedly by a bloke with size 12 feet (except worse) evil

6) relax and avoid the urge to push if you can – however, you might feel like you want to take a crap and if the moment doesn’t pass, do so, and then repeat rule 2
This list is NOT exhaustive and I am sure others will add their 'top tips' for poo free anal shortly.
Have fun and enjoy anal sex :thumbup:

18 Dec 2006

Quote by Mr-Powers
yeah right, it will stop the poop on my pole but not the poop & the stink. !

am i the only one to find your post offensive,you clearly haven't a clue about anal sex!
rolleyes

no you aren't the only one.
Polo gave a good suggestion... but I aint ever had a problem with anything that he is describing.. perhaps this person likes skat and talking about it is the only way he can get his "rocks off"... ?

18 Dec 2006

Quote by Bloke2005
OK, let's all sit down, hold hands, be nice, take a deep breath (or pant!) and think about this for a minute (and if you relax, anal sex doesn't hurt half as much as you start out)
‘The whole world of gays can not be surrounded by the stink of poop’ because ....if yer gonna try anal sex please take notice of the following:
1) wear a condom if your doing the fucking – nuff said
2) try and douche first – this involves rinsing out the arse area and most sex shops sell something that will fit onto the taps/shower to do this :P
3) try and take a crap at least a couple of hours before – that way, there’s nobody ‘waiting at the bus stop when the bus pulls in’ (this is an analogy… no play on words intended) :wink:
4) use LOTS of water-based lube – this will help ensure that you don’t tear the arse or lining, don’t come away with hemorrhoids (usually as a result of friction) and make the whole experience a lot more pleasant :thumbup:
5) don’t just 'whop' the thing up there – there are (at least) TWO rings of muscle AKA the anal sphincter and these will relax in their own good time – not observing this rule will produce momentary pain whereby women will be reminded of the moment when their first child’s head crowns (except not as bad) and for you men, the moment you first got kicked in the balls repeatedly by a bloke with size 12 feet (except worse)
6) relax and avoid the urge to push if you can – however, you might feel like you want to take a crap and if the moment doesn’t pass, do so, and then repeat rule 2
This list is NOT exhaustive and I am sure others will add their 'top tips' for poo free anal shortly.
Have fun and enjoy anal sex :thumbup:

so thats what douche means! redface

18 Dec 2006

Quote by Mr-Powers
so thats what douche means!

It's also French for 'shower' so don't get them confused especially when in Old Compton Street In London, or Paris :rascal:

18 Dec 2006

Quote by Mr-Powers
yeah right, it will stop the poop on my pole but not the poop & the stink. !

am i the only one to find your post offensive,you clearly haven't a clue about anal sex!
offended? oh come on dave, admit it, you weren't really offended, were ya? confused

personally, i found it vaguely amusing, in an inoffensive newbie trying to provoke a reaction kinda way? lol

:P ;)

Quote by Bloke2005
2) try and douche first – this involves rinsing out the arse area and most sex shops sell something that will fit onto the taps/shower to do this :P

as do B & Q and most bathroom showrooms! ;)
gliderguider? you know them things you stick on yer bath taps, with a shower head thingie on it so you can wash yer hair without actually getting a shower? take the shower head thingie off, stick the tube up yer arse, turn the cold tap on . . . . . a hugely expensive colonic irrigation style treatment in the comfort of your own home, approximate cost = bugger all money! :P ;)
erm . . . allegedly . . . if you're into that kinda thing? i generally find it's a whole lot easier to get used to condoms and a good wash afterwards? :?

Quote by Bloke2005
3) try and take a crap at least a couple of hours before – that way, there’s nobody ‘waiting at the bus stop when the bus pulls in’ (this is an analogy… no play on words intended)

alright bloke! you've gone too, too far now! :shock: TMI! TMI! ;)
neil x x x ;)

18 Dec 2006

That is a classic first post if ever I read one.......
nearly fell off my chair....................
I'm not having a go here, but what makes this a classic first post ? & what's is it that is so funny ?
Am i being naive ?
Tell me guys, please. I can enjoy the joke with you, i'll be the first to laugh at myself. c'mon.

18 Dec 2006

Neil - we really need to meet at some point fella (although I don't even know what you look like.. hint wink

)
As you were lol

18 Dec 2006

Oh & thanks for explaining the other things guys. Yes, you are right, I dont have a clue about anal sex. Seriously thanks.

18 Dec 2006

Quote by neilinleeds
yeah right, it will stop the poop on my pole but not the poop & the stink. !

am i the only one to find your post offensive,you clearly haven't a clue about anal sex!
offended? oh come on dave, admit it, you weren't really offended, were ya? confused

personally, i found it vaguely amusing, in an inoffensive newbie trying to provoke a reaction kinda way? lol

:P ;)

Quote by Bloke2005
2) try and douche first – this involves rinsing out the arse area and most sex shops sell something that will fit onto the taps/shower to do this :P

Quote by Bloke2005
3) try and take a crap at least a couple of hours before – that way, there’s nobody ‘waiting at the bus stop when the bus pulls in’ (this is an analogy… no play on words intended)

alright bloke! you've gone too, too far now! :shock: TMI! TMI! ;)
neil x x x ;)
alright i was a little offended....but i better not let the wife see what he's wrote....wouldn't want het to think she has stinky arse,thats full of shit! :lol:

18 Dec 2006

Quote by Bloke2005
Neil - we really need to meet at some point fella (although I don't even know what you look like.. hint )
As you were

oh for crying out loud! rolleyes

i look almost exactly like the bloke on this thread wots wearing a labcoat and thigh high boots? confused

you really need to read more threads bloke? ((( and have a word with my diary manager / chauffeur! <<< that would be gem! >>> :lol: bolt

)))
:P
neil x x x ;)

18 Dec 2006

Quote by neilinleeds
you really need to read more threads bloke? ((( and have a word with my diary manager / chauffeur! <<< that would be gem! >>> )))
:P
neil x x x ;)

:inlove:
Thank you...
<<<<<<<<< Off to speak with Gem :twisted:

18 Dec 2006

Quote by gliderguider
Yes, it is a first post, & your'e not telling me that it is an occupational hazard surely ! I'm serious, ! how do you prevent the poop from getting everywhere & stinking the place out. Honest, it's a serious question. ! The whole world of gays can not be surrounded by the stink of poop. I'm serious, whats the answer ?

No, I wasn't offended, well maybe slightly by the immature nature of the wording/post, and I will briefly comment, as I think Bloke has pretty much said what needed to be said. After many years of anal sex, I have never once had the 'stink of poop' anywhere near me, and its not just the 'world of gays' who have anal sex!! I have always made it perfectly clear to a partner that IF I want anal sex then I will ask for it, and thankfully, as we are all human and hopefully know our bodies very well, then I know exactly when I feel I want to go down that route. IF at any point I feel it is a bit 'close to home' (or the bus stop as Bloke kindly put it) then I simply don't ask for anal sex. We can't plan when we will need one, unless we are lucky enough to be as regular as clockwork, but to bring it down to your level glider, I suggest you don't attempt anal sex the day after a dodgy Madras!! Get my drift?
Anyway, I would like us to hopefully get back to the original subject, about men possibly becoming orally bi, or wanting to try more, during horny situations such as dogging. I certainly didn't intend on it getting into a debate about how to avoid the 'stink'!! Everyone has been very sensible about this and they have offered you some very valuable advice glider. The only other things I can reiterate, as others have mentioned, are always wear a condom (it makes clean up much easier - bearing in mind there is nothing to clean up!), always do things gently, starting with a finger, building up to two, small dildos etc and LUBE. If you imagine the sphincter as a very stubborn woman, with gentle persuasion and the right gentle touch, the majority will eventually come round to your way of thinking, in other words, treat it right and there will be less 'problems'!! And thirdly, never push hard, let the person being penetrated move back when they are ready, they will know how things are feeling and whether its right to get deeper.
Ok point made now, and thanks for asking the question, but hopefully we will get back to the original thread biggrin

19 Dec 2006

Apart from me thinking this has become an excellent thread, I do think bloke has given some excellent advice that should be read by many :thumbup:

Quote by Bloke2005
OK, let's all sit down, hold hands, be nice, take a deep breath (or pant!) and think about this for a minute (and if you relax, anal sex doesn't hurt half as much as you start out)
‘The whole world of gays can not be surrounded by the stink of poop’ because ....if yer gonna try anal sex please take notice of the following:
1) wear a condom if your doing the fucking – nuff said
2) try and douche first – this involves rinsing out the arse area and most sex shops sell something that will fit onto the taps/shower to do this :P
3) try and take a crap at least a couple of hours before – that way, there’s nobody ‘waiting at the bus stop when the bus pulls in’ (this is an analogy… no play on words intended) :wink:
4) use LOTS of water-based lube – this will help ensure that you don’t tear the arse or lining, don’t come away with hemorrhoids (usually as a result of friction) and make the whole experience a lot more pleasant :thumbup:
5) don’t just 'whop' the thing up there – there are (at least) TWO rings of muscle AKA the anal sphincter and these will relax in their own good time – not observing this rule will produce momentary pain whereby women will be reminded of the moment when their first child’s head crowns (except not as bad) and for you men, the moment you first got kicked in the balls repeatedly by a bloke with size 12 feet (except worse)
6) relax and avoid the urge to push if you can – however, you might feel like you want to take a crap and if the moment doesn’t pass, do so, and then repeat rule 2
This list is NOT exhaustive and I am sure others will add their 'top tips' for poo free anal shortly.
Have fun and enjoy anal sex :thumbup: