dogging and Peeping

14 Jun 2004

being a novice i thought id ask all of you, watching someone that doesnt know you are there has cropped up on another thread and to me its wrong, innocent shaggers out for some fun, surely they are not fair game for folks to watch, please add your thoughts maybe ive got this all wrong?

14 Jun 2004

If I remember correctly voyeurism, in the sense of watching someone without consent, is in fact now illegal.

14 Jun 2004

It might be my post you are talking about. I was in a Swingers club and, although in a private room, was watched through spy holes in the door that we were unaware of. Not a major issue, as we ignored the noise THEY made whilst watching, but once we realised they could see, we covered up the holes and it did put us off a bit. In those circumstances, if we had wanted people to watch, we would have played in an open room, but this time we didn't. We have done before, so that's not the issue.
Sometimes I am quite happy to 'play' in public, sometimes not. My choice and I shouldn't have that choice taken away from me. Unfortunately for those two guys who did watch, because they made so much noise (talking very loudly, mainly) we now know of the holes which will always be covered in future, therefore spoiling it for others next time.
Mal
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14 Jun 2004

Your right Mal,some times i play to play in the open other times not.I did forget about the large that was behind me Saturday night,ohhhh well its was 2 way,i never realised until a certain "pink" lady told me she had been watching the action lol

.Im not bothered by this but it can be a bit off putting if the situation as the same as Mal`s.
I hope you enjoyed the show" oh pink one" wink

14 Jun 2004

Quote by mal609
It might be my post you are talking about. I was in a Swingers club and, although in a private room, was watched through spy holes in the door that we were unaware of. Not a major issue, as we ignored the noise THEY made whilst watching, but once we realised they could see, we covered up the holes and it did put us off a bit. In those circumstances, if we had wanted people to watch, we would have played in an open room, but this time we didn't. We have done before, so that's not the issue.
Sometimes I am quite happy to 'play' in public, sometimes not. My choice and I shouldn't have that choice taken away from me. Unfortunately for those two guys who did watch, because they made so much noise (talking very loudly, mainly) we now know of the holes which will always be covered in future, therefore spoiling it for others next time.
Mal

not your post, another more general, i dont like the idea myself, i wouldnt want to watch someone that didnt know i was there, i can accept the difference between someone going and putting a show on for others and not seeing their audience as such but not an innocent couple just taking advantage of the nice weather thinking they are alone, to some the thought of being possibly watched is a turn on, i know ive been with someone who loved the risk factor but that is different. I hear stories of people hiding and spying on the local beauty spots in case they getto see courting couples, do we generally frown on that on here,

14 Jun 2004

Watching someone without their consent is indeed illegal, defined by this:

The problem is there is a lot of blurring about what situations would be classed as non consensual. If we take Mal's experience for starters - as there are holes in the door and it is a sex club, it could be argued that anyone having sex in that room is aware that someone could watch through one of the holes (they can see bugger all through those holes anyway, I know cos I've looked through them myself :twisted: wink

). However, I agree that it is off putting when the door is locked but the watchers outside are making so much "noise" that it is difficult to concentrate rolleyes

.... watchers need to have respect! evil

The situation Tongue is talking about is less ambiguous..... the Pink person in question watched him while he was enjoying himself right in front of a a vewing window..... now, who wouldn't oggle Tongue's arse in a situation like that :twisted: lol

If we go back to cases where it is a couple having sex in a car, yes, not everyone wants to be dogged, and I dare say some would be mortified if they thought they were being spied on. It's very tricky to know sometimes confused

That is why it is important for watchers to be discrete and respectful - anything less might mean you wind up with a thick lip or in court (or both!)

14 Jun 2004

I feel that I am probably in a good position to compare and contrast the experiences put forward by mal and the tongue (owing to the fact that it was me who was the â€œother personâ€ in both cases!). redface

During the swinging club incident, the fact is that we had made a conscious decision to play privately, there is a lock on the door which we made use of, as well as a curtain which we made sure was shut. There was in no way anything to indicate that we could be seen by anyone else.
True, there are small holes drilled in the door, but they are only visible if you look for them and already know that they are there.
I personally feel that this WAS an invasion of privacy as we were under the impression that we were unseen and our actions/behaviour may or may not have been different had we been aware that we had an audience.
I understand people making the point that you are going to a club, and should expect to be watched, but if that is the case it should be made clear, there should be a sign or a notice making it clear that you are NOT in fact in total privacy.
The fact that I was watched does not really bother me, its more a case of it being about the principle.
From the comments that we were made VERY loudly by the two men watching its would be assumed they enjoyed the spectacle, however I have since been informed that all anyone could see was my boots and malâ€™s bum.. so they must have very low standards of entertainment!
The incident the_tongue is referring to is totally different.
We were in a room where it is obvious that you can be seen, either by the other couples in the room, or by the people stood in the viewing room behind a very PROMINENT and OBVIOUS mirror!
Fair enough you donâ€™t know WHO is watching, but having made a conscious decision to play in public, you can not really pick and chose who you want to be able to see!
The fact that you know there is a least a possibility of some unseen person watching your every move means that you wont do anything that you do not feel comfortable being in public view doing, this is where the difference lies in the two experiences.
Lastly I would like to apologise to the â€œpink ladyâ€, had I not been ill, and we had known who the audience wasâ€¦ the show would have been much better! confused

And he DOES have a very watchable bum doesnâ€™t he!
wink

WBB
xxx

14 Jun 2004

Maybe the guys watching through the hole in the door DID enjoy watching Mal's bum very much indeed :twisted: . I do agree that those holes are not obvious, so people using that room may think they are in total privacy, when in fact they're not. The first time I went to that club the holes were pointed out to me by the person who gave me a tour, and she said that they were there for watchers. They can be blocked up with a bit of tissue or whatever, but that info is no use to you after the fact rolleyes

. I agree that maybe the club should have a notice inside the room that makes it clear the holes are there, so that users can make an informed decision as to whether they want to play in that room or not.

14 Jun 2004

I have to say this legislation seems flawed . You can read it that couple having sex in the car park at Alton Towers could accuse an adult supervising a bunch of schoolkids who asked them to stop of committing an offence. Or am I missing something , maybe this means the shaggers can be fined for outraging public decency , and the complainer can be fined for seeing it . I suppose if Speed Camera revenues start dropping off , this will plug the cash flow gap?

14 Jun 2004

I think it's down to all of us to show some common sense and courtesy about these things, I've literally almost fallen over people at it like rabbits in the dunes and apologised and beat a hasty retreat and would not dream of staying to watch unless invited. On the other hand if a couple make it plain that they want to be watched then I'm up for it and I hope that they enjoy the experience at least as much as I do.
In the clubs if there is a lock on the door and still you can be observed there should be warning notices in the rooms, otherwise you are fair game.
I would not like to think that I had invaded a persons space or caused them a lesser enjoyment of what is supposed to be a fun activity for all participants. What's the point !!It's idiots who ignore things like this that are spoiling things for the rest of us.